DVLA Bar Stewards...

lacroupade · 22-12-2010, 12:37

Parked my beemer up in the field when I went to France at end of May and only just started it up and sent it down the garage for MoT....meantime tax had run out end Sept and now I have an £80 fine for not renewing it or SORNing it.

WTF happened to 'innocent til proven guilty'???

Fez_uk · 22-12-2010, 12:45

I beleive you have to let them know it's off the road. I hate the dvla.

They fined my dad £80 for no tax, He had tax but forgot to display it!

cncfabs · 22-12-2010, 12:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by lacroupade

Parked my beemer up in the field when I went to France at end of May and only just started it up and sent it down the garage for MoT....meantime tax had run out end Sept and now I have an £80 fine for not renewing it or SORNing it.

WTF happened to 'innocent til proven guilty'???

Yes you have to sorn it when tax runs out.I recently had an £80 fine for one that i did sorn on the internet had confirmation email that had gone through still got fine.Needless to say i complained and got the fine torn up dont trust the dvla always keep emails and letters from them for at least a year.Have been cases on watchdog of people getting fines for cars that they sold a year ago unless you have the letter confiming that you sold it the fine stands.

Liam · 22-12-2010, 13:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by lacroupade

Parked my beemer up in the field when I went to France at end of May and only just started it up and sent it down the garage for MoT....meantime tax had run out end Sept and now I have an £80 fine for not renewing it or SORNing it.

WTF happened to 'innocent til proven guilty'???

Innocent til proven guilty only applies in Democracies,not police states,unfortunately.

(RIP) PLANK · 22-12-2010, 13:43

I was isued with an aoutomatic £80 fine for no tax, the disc was in the window and was printed at the DVLA office in Birmingham, I had to photocopy it and send them a copy with a written explanation before they would believe me!

ocelot · 22-12-2010, 14:11

regardless of what the politicians say, we live in a police state controlled by a minority who manipulate to suit their own pockets................. it's all about control.
I wonder,
(given the state of the economy (caused by greedy bankers in the main), and the fact that VAT will rise in January 2011 together with interest rates, fuel etc..........)
if the people of this green and ancient land will revolt?
Maybe it is time for a change of politics? perhaps a revolution is needed to spring clean the greedy fat cats?
It'll never happen of course, the british are far too reserved and polite,
For the record, I'm not advocating revolution, simply suggesting the possibility.....

Liam · 22-12-2010, 14:31

Saw a program on telly the other night about how the Government dealt with the free music concerts of the 80's and 90's. Did nothing for years and then put the boot in and brought in the new legislation in 96. Made very interesting viewing and explains how people were basically got under the Government's thumb again. Ocelot is dead right,it's all about control.

MudLifeCrisis · 22-12-2010, 14:32

When i bought my Landrover it was declared sorn and I wrongfully assumed that it transfered over. Called them when I received the fine notice and asked why they hadn't sent a reminder as they would have done if it had been taxed and due to run out, after all they had just sent me the logbook.

I was told they didn't do this and that it was my responsability to know the rules.I bet they make a fortune from people this way.

Paid the fine , learnt the lesson ;O(

Brian

(RIP) PLANK · 22-12-2010, 15:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by ocelot

regardless of what the politicians say, we live in a police state controlled by a minority who manipulate to suit their own pockets................. it's all about control.
I wonder,
(given the state of the economy (caused by greedy bankers in the main), and the fact that VAT will rise in January 2011 together with interest rates, fuel etc..........)
if the people of this green and ancient land will revolt?
Maybe it is time for a change of politics? perhaps a revolution is needed to spring clean the greedy fat cats?
It'll never happen of course, the british are far too reserved and polite,
For the record, I'm not advocating revolution, simply suggesting the possibility.....

It's all correct, though i am quite looking forward to the interest rates going up! about time it was worth while having money in the bank!

lacroupade · 22-12-2010, 15:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by ocelot

regardless of what the politicians say, we live in a police state controlled by a minority who manipulate to suit their own pockets................. it's all about control.
I wonder,
(given the state of the economy (caused by greedy bankers in the main), and the fact that VAT will rise in January 2011 together with interest rates, fuel etc..........)
if the people of this green and ancient land will revolt?
Maybe it is time for a change of politics? perhaps a revolution is needed to spring clean the greedy fat cats?
It'll never happen of course, the british are far too reserved and polite,
For the record, I'm not advocating revolution, simply suggesting the possibility.....

Ocelot is revolting!

sorry couldn't resist!

ocelot · 22-12-2010, 16:19

merely suggesting................................

"wonders if the fuel protests will happen again soon" ??

the cost of a barrel of oil has come down yet fuel prices are going through the roof.............. another example of rip off multi nationals...... again !!

Or perhaps if people do protest, the police state will arrest those who do so, there was a recent case reported on radio 2 of a 14 yr old who created a facebook page to save his local youth club, his local mp was non other than david cameron. The lad protested, peacefully, outside the con club office.
He was later on that week, taken out of class by the police, given a strong talking to and warnings of being arrested/prosecuted etc. So he went on jeremy Vine's midday program to push his case,
cameron, true to his nature, made no response........... why should he? after all, the lad was under the age of 18 and couldn't vote........

Kind of shames most of us doesn't it, that kind of belief ???

rayf3262 · 22-12-2010, 16:41

Less than 12 months ago I bought a 15Kg Butane refill (Calor) and it cost 18 quid... just bought another 29.99 and that was direct from Calor... ouch!

(RIP) PLANK · 22-12-2010, 16:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by rayf3262

Less than 12 months ago I bought a 15Kg Butane refill (Calor) and it cost 18 quid... just bought another 29.99 and that was direct from Calor... ouch!

simple answer to that one is don't buy calor! I use 19k propane fomr a local supplier £17.60

As for fuel protests the government has divided the public into many factions now, through tax brackets on cars, anti 4x4 media, legalising bio diesel and veg oil (up to 2500 litres) new tax rules for agricultural fuel use etc. So th old 'divide and conquer' technique has taken the wind out of any real oposition.

MudLifeCrisis · 22-12-2010, 16:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by rayf3262

Less than 12 months ago I bought a 15Kg Butane refill (Calor) and it cost 18 quid... just bought another 29.99 and that was direct from Calor... ouch!

Ours are only £28.99.

Deleted account DD · 22-12-2010, 16:54

Unfortunately its nothing to do with democracy, police state or otherwise.

The offence is whats termed "an absolute" its either occured or not. On this occasion it occured because noting was registered one way or the other.

Democracy and judicial process does allow apeal to prove innocence but theres no need to look at anything other than are dvla correct and thats a yes or no or is there mitigation such as letter lost in post

Do the crime, pay the fine

My personal thoughts are theyre a bit bloody pedantic and I wish they were as fast off the mark refunding

22-12-2010, 12:37	#1
lacroupade Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: All hail to the Glove of Love... Posts: 9,212	DVLA Bar Stewards... Parked my beemer up in the field when I went to France at end of May and only just started it up and sent it down the garage for MoT....meantime tax had run out end Sept and now I have an £80 fine for not renewing it or SORNing it. WTF happened to 'innocent til proven guilty'???

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22-12-2010, 12:45	#2
Fez_uk Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Mid-Wales Vehicle: Maverick 2.7 - Patrol 4.2 Posts: 5,645	I beleive you have to let them know it's off the road. I hate the dvla. They fined my dad £80 for no tax, He had tax but forgot to display it!

22-12-2010, 13:43	#5
(RIP) PLANK Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Central England, in the Heart of the Black Country Vehicle: T2 2004 TDI SE LWB Posts: 7,740	I was isued with an aoutomatic £80 fine for no tax, the disc was in the window and was printed at the DVLA office in Birmingham, I had to photocopy it and send them a copy with a written explanation before they would believe me!

22-12-2010, 14:11	#6
ocelot Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: merseyside Vehicle: Nissan Terrano 2.7 Posts: 242	regardless of what the politicians say, we live in a police state controlled by a minority who manipulate to suit their own pockets................. it's all about control. I wonder, (given the state of the economy (caused by greedy bankers in the main), and the fact that VAT will rise in January 2011 together with interest rates, fuel etc..........) if the people of this green and ancient land will revolt? Maybe it is time for a change of politics? perhaps a revolution is needed to spring clean the greedy fat cats? It'll never happen of course, the british are far too reserved and polite, For the record, I'm not advocating revolution, simply suggesting the possibility.....

22-12-2010, 14:31	#7
Liam Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Laois,Ireland Posts: 923	Saw a program on telly the other night about how the Government dealt with the free music concerts of the 80's and 90's. Did nothing for years and then put the boot in and brought in the new legislation in 96. Made very interesting viewing and explains how people were basically got under the Government's thumb again. Ocelot is dead right,it's all about control.

22-12-2010, 14:32	#8
MudLifeCrisis Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: St Albans Herts Vehicle: 1997 Mav 2.7tdi lwb Posts: 1,377	When i bought my Landrover it was declared sorn and I wrongfully assumed that it transfered over. Called them when I received the fine notice and asked why they hadn't sent a reminder as they would have done if it had been taxed and due to run out, after all they had just sent me the logbook. I was told they didn't do this and that it was my responsability to know the rules.I bet they make a fortune from people this way. Paid the fine , learnt the lesson ;O( Brian

22-12-2010, 16:19	#11
ocelot Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: merseyside Vehicle: Nissan Terrano 2.7 Posts: 242	merely suggesting................................ "wonders if the fuel protests will happen again soon" ?? the cost of a barrel of oil has come down yet fuel prices are going through the roof.............. another example of rip off multi nationals...... again !! Or perhaps if people do protest, the police state will arrest those who do so, there was a recent case reported on radio 2 of a 14 yr old who created a facebook page to save his local youth club, his local mp was non other than david cameron. The lad protested, peacefully, outside the con club office. He was later on that week, taken out of class by the police, given a strong talking to and warnings of being arrested/prosecuted etc. So he went on jeremy Vine's midday program to push his case, cameron, true to his nature, made no response........... why should he? after all, the lad was under the age of 18 and couldn't vote........ Kind of shames most of us doesn't it, that kind of belief ???

22-12-2010, 16:41	#12
rayf3262 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Norfolk, Poringland NR14 Vehicle: Terrano 3.0 SVE 2002 Posts: 1,549	Less than 12 months ago I bought a 15Kg Butane refill (Calor) and it cost 18 quid... just bought another 29.99 and that was direct from Calor... ouch!

22-12-2010, 16:54	#15
Deleted account DD Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 4,705	Unfortunately its nothing to do with democracy, police state or otherwise. The offence is whats termed "an absolute" its either occured or not. On this occasion it occured because noting was registered one way or the other. Democracy and judicial process does allow apeal to prove innocence but theres no need to look at anything other than are dvla correct and thats a yes or no or is there mitigation such as letter lost in post Do the crime, pay the fine My personal thoughts are theyre a bit bloody pedantic and I wish they were as fast off the mark refunding