4x4 response

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Originally Posted by daved

Evening, I do actually understand the terminology (well I'm presuming I've got alien things like continuous personal dev correct ? ), many of us originate from an active military background and bimble along from there It seems you have had a rather mixed background looking at the establishments you have attended. However moving swiftly back onto topic there are still gaps in your cv that would be picked up on as I suspected, I can assure you and I'm sure you'll concede

I wouldnt have expected you to search anyone, in fact I wouldnt have expected you to have any contact whatsoever with an arrested bod and thats where the problem starts.

The answer is for forces to maintain some kind of 4x4 capability, be it a buy in as required resilience or permanent fleet. We have them on fleet.




I will reiterate a point I have made time and time again in public and in pm's which demonstrates no chipping away has been conducted, I believe va's are invaluable and have the utmost respect for them. It is the use they are put to that concerns me.

Transportation of prisoners and custody is a core police function.

Business continuity of core functions are a clear legislated responsibility of the force.

If they do not have contingency measures in place to full fill those using properly accredited fully trained staff with proper equipment they are failing. I'm pretty certain they'd get (or heading towards) a red from HMI for this one

I would put forward the point that even if my or anyone else's risk asses saw you as suitable, what happens when the bloke 6 cops are sitting on in the town centre following the stabbing needs transporting and youre not available who would do it then

As far as furthering the aims, read my earlier posts. I have a genuine professional interest in this one. The question I am asking myself before I start writing reports is what roles for you would I suggest to any development team ?

Transporting prisoners is unlikely to be one

I intend continuing collating information of which this thread is one part but once you scratch the surface theres a lot more to it.

If you feel due to the public nature of the forum theres more to say I can provide you with my secure email addr for contact

oh and one last thing......please drop the unqualified use of the title "superiors" that really does date you in theses modern times (me too of course) It is manager, supervisor or similar. informally boss. The reason stems from a bit of pc culture but its also practical. We work to skill and knowledge levels. I'm not superior to anyone who advises me or passes me info, in fact if theyre doing that theyre superior to me cos they know more on the topic

As I said, I'm old school................ my cv has some considerable gaps in from your point of view, but then, I'd not and would prefer not, to disclose much more. I've followed a highly specialist career overall with lots of offshoots to encapsulate operational requirements, (jargon to say that red tape prevents me from doing my job unless I have the necessary paperwork) As for superiors, well, my bosses are, to be honest, I hold them in the utmost, they've seen more operational stuff than I care to mention in a very wide scope, I'll refer to them as management from now on.
I agree that transporting prisoners is not for the general public and should only really be done by police officers, only in the most dire circumstances should anything else be considered.
Just for the record, north wales police usually hire in 4x4's to cover bad weather etc but the post office had got them all, that's what really caused the requirement for 4x4R.

If you'd like to follow this privately, my email address can be pm'd no problem, I've said most of what I can on here.