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[Deleted account DD]

Originally Posted by Terranosaurus

Insurance wise a lot a lot depends on the precise details of the MOU/SLA in place. Some put the responsibility on the user service to provide full insurance cover

From a SLA in place between one group and a Constabulary.

ta, are you aware they are NOT legally binding most actually start with words to the effect of "this is not legally binding document"

[Deleted account DD]

Originally Posted by davemud

I was one of two on-site controller working with the Hospital Emergency Planing Officer and the Council EPO
we do have some MOU but we had to adjust the procedure to include new request because of the
unprecedented level of requests, all our drivers our instructed to only cover thing they are comfortable with
and decline if they feel the request is to much, and we will then appoint a suitably trained driver and vehicle.

Ta Dave where were the epo's ? did you sit on a multi agency group or "a medical" one ? How did it link into the mutli agency police chaired silver?

Sorry for all of the questions but I am genuinely interested and its always better to get the info from those involved rather than subsequent reports which can sometimes turn a clusterfcuk into a triumph

We had ambo open at gold but the rest of us were on a watching brief.

pls pm or email if you dont want to post in an open forum.

[zippy656]

on TV


http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00pyl8d/Inside_Out_West_11_01_2010/fficeffice" />>>

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[makeitfit]

Classic green oval error as that disco meets an embarassing snow drift

[zippy656]

was only a little snow as well

[Deleted account DD]

Interesting and commendable stuff

Good job the guy in the audi has an orange beacon and a high viz jkt, wouldnt have made it through otherwise

Nice one handed style of arm resting driving in adverse conditions and he's an instructor ......hmmmmmm.

[makeitfit]

Originally Posted by daved

Interesting and commendable stuff

Good job the guy in the audi has an orange beacon and a high viz jkt, wouldnt have made it through otherwise

Nice one handed style of arm resting driving in adverse conditions and he's an instructor ......hmmmmmm.

Yes I thought that, and on TV too
I (almost) bumped into another disco tonight strugling with a bit of snow
To be fair he was trying to avoid some planks van abandoned in the ditch and half covered in snow. Trouble was then he got his wheels in the other ditch
Anyway we got it sorted easy enough only to find a dirty great truck coming out of the snow drift we'd been fighting through
He had one of those things for digging telegraph poles into the ground , you know , a sort of thunderbird 4 mole thing
He was out the back of the truck putting this hydraulic arm onto the ground and pushing himself up the snow drift a metre at a time Determined or what, I reckon he must be on a promise tonight
So it took me about an hour to do three miles from disco to the pub

[(RIP) PLANK]

Originally Posted by makeitfit

Yes I thought that, and on TV too
I (almost) bumped into another disco tonight strugling with a bit of snow
To be fair he was trying to avoid some planks van abandoned in the ditch and half covered in snow. Trouble was then he got his wheels in the other ditch
Anyway we got it sorted easy enough only to find a dirty great truck coming out of the snow drift we'd been fighting through
He had one of those things for digging telegraph poles into the ground , you know , a sort of thunderbird 4 mole thing
He was out the back of the truck putting this hydraulic arm onto the ground and pushing himself up the snow drift a metre at a time Determined or what, I reckon he must be on a promise tonight
So it took me about an hour to do three miles from disco to the pub

i have an alibi

[jims-terrano]

Nice crack in the Audi windscreen, still on the brightside that pier will be finished for summer

Served that Disco right the way he over took

Jim T

PS RAYNET here in West Yorkshire are still getting enquiries from the Police to check our availability but no call out's yet.

[ocelot]

Originally Posted by daved

Not really relevant I'm afraid




Thats why for all but the lowest cleanest grade prisoner movement we have vans.

If the criteria applies that the only option is to arrest and remove a person they are in a situation where I WOULD NOT and more to the point HAVE NEVER moved such a prisoner by Ford Focus. They are going to be stressed and potentially hostile although it may not show.

I and others have fallen foul of that and lived (after a couple of ops and a lot of sickness time) to tell the tale, others have not.

A colleague form a neighbouring force was killed by an arsehole he was transporting and graded as low risk who decided it would be a hoot if he made it to and applied the handbrake whilst travelling at speed. He should have been in a van.

I have seen initially compliant and restrained prisoners kick out transit van rear doors on more than one occasion. I have dealt with prisoners who started off calm and by the end of the journey refused to come out of the van and took on all comers....more than once!

You used to always be able to tell an ex police van because unlike builders transits, the dents in the side were from the inside pushing outwards.

I have also seen a prisoner who pissed themsleves deliberately in the back of a fiesta. They were "hello mate" and "yeah no sweat lets get this sorted" at the start.

There is no such thing as a fully compliant and predictable prisoner.

We all make mistakes at the start but no one seems to learn from them

I really do struggle with this one, ie effectively involving the untrained public in jobs with real risk. I dont doubt your motives but I really do believe that the local force has it wrong. The frequency of serious incidents with damage and injury occurring may be low but it happen regularly and only takes one to kill you. Your not joining in at the lower level. The prisoners you describe are potentially up there...thats why theyre being moved

Remember, and theres several members on here will tell you just cos the cop says, it doesnt mean its right.

ok, I'm not going to reveal too much about myself on here, sufficient to say DaveD, I worked for the home office and other agencies for a long time and retain a warrant card. I'm not really 'untrained public.
The officers concerned were aware of this as were the management (at my request and with the permission of those I work for).
Given that NW Police had no suitable vehicles available and given my unusual credentials, experience and career, the risk assessment which was carried out, met and exceeded the current standard. Is that a sufficient explanation? My main area of works concern the coastguard these days but often Customs etc....... I'd rather not divulge any more information if that's ok.

[(RIP) PLANK]

this is al geting a bit ))& isint it, i put the caps lock on deliberatley for all your spooks to break the code

just for the record, it wasn't me it was my mate!

[lacroupade]

Originally Posted by PLANK

this is al geting a bit ))& isint it, i put the caps lock on deliberatley for all your spooks to break the code

just for the record, it wasn't me it was my mate!

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Originally Posted by ocelot

ok, I'm not going to reveal too much about myself on here, sufficient to say DaveD, I worked for the home office and other agencies for a long time and retain a warrant card. I'm not really 'untrained public.
The officers concerned were aware of this as were the management (at my request and with the permission of those I work for).
Given that NW Police had no suitable vehicles available and given my unusual credentials, experience and career, the risk assessment which was carried out, met and exceeded the current standard. Is that a sufficient explanation? My main area of works concern the coastguard these days but often Customs etc....... I'd rather not divulge any more information if that's ok.

Queue 007 Music.

My only claim to fame is I have signed the Official Secrets Act , which actually means bugger all as we are all obliged to follow it anyway.

[zippy656]

I play Thunderbirds music..


FAB Brains

[Deleted account DD]

Originally Posted by PLANK

this is al geting a bit ))& isint it, i put the caps lock on deliberatley for all your spooks to break the code

just for the record, it wasn't me it was my mate!

pmsl are you sure it wasnt the ones who actually check what you have been looking at and are looking at on line?