Which fuel can I use?

Terranoman · 12-06-2009, 09:40

Right straight answers please.

I am going to make my self an off roader for play time.

It will be taken by trailer where ever I go and may well be kept at a local 4x4 site.

Because the village I live in has no gas we use heating oil. Which I believe to be red Diesel without the dye.

Can / Will the engine be OK running on this?

34p per litre so you can see where I am coming from on this!!

Deleted account DD · 12-06-2009, 14:06

The payment of excise duty for road fuels is just that, payment of duty for using them on the public road

Or it was last time I looked

Give HMRC a ring or go via their website and get it in wrting straight from the horses mouth then if some officious know nothing ever stops you you'll have a direct quote or print out

Terranosaurus · 12-06-2009, 14:56

heating oil has even less lubricant in it than red, you'd be best off chucking some svo (veg oil) in too to act as a lubricant to protect the pump.

Toolbox · 12-06-2009, 20:14

Heating oil is also less refined than red diesel and has a lower cetane rating, likewise modern derv has a highyer cetane number than red diesel, contrary to belief red diesel is not Derv dyed red, in actual fact red diesel dose not meet the speck for modern Agricultural machinery as it stands today but Derv does, not that a farmer can be seen filling up with the latter.

jimmy92 · 12-06-2009, 21:21

but i work for a world wide manufacturer of large dump trucks that carry up to 50 tonne and we have a model that runs an identicle engine as a merc actros artic, we have been to the local merc truck workshop for injectors pumps etc and we pump red in as soon as they roll off the boat from germany.

extreme-4x4 · 12-06-2009, 21:39

heating oil/ kerosene is not as oily compared to diesel as terra says. but on my td it works wonders. on my tdi its no deferant.... its ok once in a while 20-30L but if used in the long term you will need to add oil
or svo

Toolbox · 12-06-2009, 22:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmy92

but i work for a world wide manufacturer of large dump trucks that carry up to 50 tonne and we have a model that runs an identicle engine as a merc actros artic, we have been to the local merc truck workshop for injectors pumps etc and we pump red in as soon as they roll off the boat from germany.

I was just quoting what I had been told by our area MF service manger who said that the red diesel in the country does not meet the requirements of the engine manufacturer in our case Perkins and it is becoming a real issue with common rail engines because the fuel is not only dirty (for the want of a better word) but the cetain number is lower that in turn causes fuel's ignition delay so it creates dirty combustion.
Don’t get me wrong they all run on red and I can’t see that changing

12-06-2009, 09:40	#1
Terranoman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Northamptonshire Vehicle: Terrano II Posts: 622	Which fuel can I use? Right straight answers please. I am going to make my self an off roader for play time. It will be taken by trailer where ever I go and may well be kept at a local 4x4 site. Because the village I live in has no gas we use heating oil. Which I believe to be red Diesel without the dye. Can / Will the engine be OK running on this? 34p per litre so you can see where I am coming from on this!!

12-06-2009, 14:06	#2
Deleted account DD Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 4,705	The payment of excise duty for road fuels is just that, payment of duty for using them on the public road Or it was last time I looked Give HMRC a ring or go via their website and get it in wrting straight from the horses mouth then if some officious know nothing ever stops you you'll have a direct quote or print out

12-06-2009, 14:56	#3
Terranosaurus Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: YORKSHIRE Vehicle: 2001 2.7 TDi T2 SWB Posts: 4,077	heating oil has even less lubricant in it than red, you'd be best off chucking some svo (veg oil) in too to act as a lubricant to protect the pump.

12-06-2009, 20:14	#4
Toolbox Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Cornwall Vehicle: Oh yes Posts: 1,968	Heating oil is also less refined than red diesel and has a lower cetane rating, likewise modern derv has a highyer cetane number than red diesel, contrary to belief red diesel is not Derv dyed red, in actual fact red diesel dose not meet the speck for modern Agricultural machinery as it stands today but Derv does, not that a farmer can be seen filling up with the latter.

12-06-2009, 21:21	#5
jimmy92 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: midlands Vehicle: navara, bmw x5, vito van Posts: 211	but i work for a world wide manufacturer of large dump trucks that carry up to 50 tonne and we have a model that runs an identicle engine as a merc actros artic, we have been to the local merc truck workshop for injectors pumps etc and we pump red in as soon as they roll off the boat from germany.

12-06-2009, 21:39	#6
extreme-4x4 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: WALES Posts: 6,295	heating oil/ kerosene is not as oily compared to diesel as terra says. but on my td it works wonders. on my tdi its no deferant.... its ok once in a while 20-30L but if used in the long term you will need to add oil or svo