fun social group now closed.... sorry

extreme-4x4 · 23-05-2009, 20:07

ive decided to close the not so legal ... but fun social group

as bat pointed out having an area to take the piss out of other members is not a clever thing to do

that was not the intention nor was it used in that way in its 24hr lifespan

the social group was made up at willows request to

1 post funny videos
2 tell funny rude naughty jokes (offensive ones) but funny
3 discuss not so legal things like running on kerro
4 discuss options to keep our lanes open in wales... more than likely not legal either

but thats why we formed it, but to make it very clear it was not to make fun or take the piss out of people

it was to discuss stuff some people might find offensive or pushing the boundaries a little, and discuss ways of standing up for our rights

it was invite only for these reasons
we have members who are police ( nice people ) but if you want to discuss protests and stuff you dont discuss it with police do you
this was the same for glass and crag members . cos they wouldn't approve either.
and how many times have we said a joke or statement that someone has found offensive.

we just wanted to discuss things post videos etc in a place that would not be available for the greenies or anti 4x4 people to use as propaganda against the club

anyway its gone now

nejones · 23-05-2009, 22:14

Seems like you need to set up your own website to have the freedom to discuss the 'not so legal' things that you want to discuss.

And then you'd be free to take the .... out of anyone you wanted to.

Deleted account DD · 23-05-2009, 22:50

Quite subversive really. I had no idea this "secret society" existed within the 4x4 club/site and to be honest if its a quasi official part of it it takes the shine off the site a little

Having previously been a member of a site and the secret little section within it, it doesnt work, it will trash the site. A web site has to to do the most for the most or it will die.

On a slight aside preconcepts based on stereotyping are rarely accurate

think about it.

Deleted account DD · 23-05-2009, 23:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by extreme-4x4

the social group was made up at willows request to

3 discuss not so legal things like running on kerro
4 discuss options to keep our lanes open in wales... more than likely not legal either

Is that appropriate for a moderator to be running or advocating on a public site, setting an example etc

extreme-4x4 · 23-05-2009, 23:25

what so because im green, im not allowed an opinion ?
the boss can have it back anytime he sees fit,
i joined and paid up cos i wanted to join a group, im not here to suck up or do things the way im told..... im a free

so if they close the lanes to traffic we cant cycle in and lock the gates to inconvenience the ones who stop us
maybe picket entries to lanes to cause councils problems

running on kerro is ok if you pay the duty on it

anyway i did try to discuss it out of the way. that was a bad idea so its here now

Deleted account DD · 24-05-2009, 08:49

No one , least of all me, said you weren't allowed an opinion.

What I alluded to is that a moderator is supposed to set the standards.

You can argue the nuances of what you put as long as you want, but it was you who indicated unlawful activities could be discussed. Its there in black and white as one of the reasons for the secret squirrel section existing.

I would suggest for the better being of the site you take anything thats past potentially objectionable to pm & email.

If you want to "push the boundaries" lawfully and morally change the site so certain threads are only visible to paid up members who agree to the terms and conditions. I for one am quite capable of ignoring threads I dont like. That's very very easy to administrate. I can see why for example mods would have their own section to help run the site. I'd be surprised if that's not already in place.

At the end of the day is this a 4x4 and technical site we've paid our dosh for or a Kerro burning Bridleway commando anarchists haven

Believe you me however secret your section info leaks and shit sticks

Liam · 24-05-2009, 10:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by daved

What I alluded to is that a moderator is supposed to set the standards.

Is it not the moderator's job to apply the standards,not set them? If all moderators set standards there would surely be a possibility of many different standards being applied. I believe the site standards should be set by the owner i.e. Bat21 , and then be applied equally by all site moderators. That would be fair.

extreme-4x4 · 24-05-2009, 10:28

dave thats why they wanted to use one of those private rooms provided by the boss when he set up the new site.
they have been there all the time ....just no one used them

it was put out of peoples way so as not to offend. within the rules of the club

also i see no harm in discussing peaceful protests even less peaceful if it gets heard....... or using kero if you pay the duty

the fact that the boss made me a mod is his choice. im not fussed either way. but im not here to lead by example or tell people what to do or think or even write. its there club not mine or any other mods

if someone is being picked on or bullied ill intervene or some one is posting offensive stuff, but that's it the rules as i understand them are very simple

let people discuss what they like. just no nasty stuff or bullying

as a mod im only here to monitor the site for bad stuff to help the boss im not here to run it for him or tell anyone what to do.
so being green means im as equal to you or anyone.
it just means i spend the time to read everything to make sure everyone feels safe and happy

everyone is equal here

Deleted account DD · 24-05-2009, 11:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by extreme-4x4

ive decided to close the not so legal ... but fun social group

but thats why we formed it, but to make it very clear it was not to make fun or take the piss out of people

Quote:

Originally Posted by pajo

Is it not the moderator's job to apply the standards,not set them? If all moderators set standards there would surely be a possibility of many different standards being applied. I believe the site standards should be set by the owner i.e. Bat21 , and then be applied equally by all site moderators. That would be fair.

Good points but the argument so far is full of contradictions.

The original post suggests decision making or involvment by extreme in that process. Therefore the mods on here can be clearly seen to be doing more than blindly following instructions.

What you say pajo is correct but stops short of the point I was making.

If you want an analogy to back up your point though , as extreme is so fond of his local cops

, here goes

The Site Administrator makes the rules (ie is the statutory body and sets the standards...the government)

They set those standards (sometimes in consultation) and then look to someone to ensure they are followed ie in the real world or on here to use a term ...to "Police" (using the word in its purest sense) the scene. On here those policing are known as moderators

In the real world anyone policing any situation has to be above criticism and avoid becoming embroiled in the politics or arguments of the situation. They must stand off a little and be more objective. Unless you're looking at developing an anarchists site as opposed to 4x4 they must also be morally and lawfully beyond reproach.

I'll refer you again to the comments regarding "not so legal matters" its there in black and white however often extreme repeatedly argues the nuances .

Extreme wants his freedom, fine , but the more responsibilities you take on the more they are reduced. Moderating is a responsibility which requires policing of the site. Police a situation and those freedoms start to contract significantly within that arena

ps thats why I'd never get to be a mod, I'm too stroppy

zippy · 24-05-2009, 11:26

the only problem I have is that I would like to see the posts on running on kero

Deleted account DD · 24-05-2009, 11:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by zippy

the only problem I have is that I would like to see the posts on running on kero

lacroupade · 24-05-2009, 11:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by daved

ps thats why I'd never get to be a mod, I'm too stroppy

Triple

!! LMAO!

lacroupade · 24-05-2009, 11:56

I'm going to say it because we're all getting a bit carried away - and I've said it before.

This is a privately-owned pay-to-view website, so frankly it doesn't matter a jot what anyone says about anything or what anyone does. The one and only arbiter of good taste is the person who owns the website and collects the subscriptions. The Mods can only do what he tells them to do, and act in the way he tells them to act.

If that weren't enough, this is t'interweb remember; anarchy rules whether you like it or not.

There are no other rules, period.

Deleted account DD · 24-05-2009, 12:08

Agreed.

I've previously been deeply involved in many sites but 2 in particular spring to mind. One as a mod and one as a founding member & member of secret area

Both went horrendously wrong, loads of reasons but not least I didnt practice what I'm preaching here.

There arent many rules but if you go against what some would describe as "normal" behaviour & standards, you'll sink if they choose to torpedo you , its just the way it works

lacroupade · 24-05-2009, 12:17

Quite right Dave - the 'rules' if there are any are only moral, and since there are no other rules, when you break those you have to take whatever comes as a result, its the price of sticking your head above the parapet....and fair play to those that do!!

As the saying goes, "the man who never did anything wrong, probably never did anything".....

Still, never a dull moment eh?!

23-05-2009, 20:07	#1
extreme-4x4 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: WALES Posts: 6,295	fun social group now closed.... sorry ive decided to close the not so legal ... but fun social group as bat pointed out having an area to take the piss out of other members is not a clever thing to do that was not the intention nor was it used in that way in its 24hr lifespan the social group was made up at willows request to 1 post funny videos 2 tell funny rude naughty jokes (offensive ones) but funny 3 discuss not so legal things like running on kerro 4 discuss options to keep our lanes open in wales... more than likely not legal either but thats why we formed it, but to make it very clear it was not to make fun or take the piss out of people it was to discuss stuff some people might find offensive or pushing the boundaries a little, and discuss ways of standing up for our rights it was invite only for these reasons we have members who are police ( nice people ) but if you want to discuss protests and stuff you dont discuss it with police do you this was the same for glass and crag members . cos they wouldn't approve either. and how many times have we said a joke or statement that someone has found offensive. we just wanted to discuss things post videos etc in a place that would not be available for the greenies or anti 4x4 people to use as propaganda against the club anyway its gone now

23-05-2009, 22:14	#2
nejones Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: tipton Vehicle: T2 Posts: 338	Seems like you need to set up your own website to have the freedom to discuss the 'not so legal' things that you want to discuss. And then you'd be free to take the .... out of anyone you wanted to.

23-05-2009, 22:50	#3
Deleted account DD Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 4,705	Quite subversive really. I had no idea this "secret society" existed within the 4x4 club/site and to be honest if its a quasi official part of it it takes the shine off the site a little Having previously been a member of a site and the secret little section within it, it doesnt work, it will trash the site. A web site has to to do the most for the most or it will die. On a slight aside preconcepts based on stereotyping are rarely accurate think about it.

23-05-2009, 23:25	#5
extreme-4x4 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: WALES Posts: 6,295	what so because im green, im not allowed an opinion ? the boss can have it back anytime he sees fit, i joined and paid up cos i wanted to join a group, im not here to suck up or do things the way im told..... im a free so if they close the lanes to traffic we cant cycle in and lock the gates to inconvenience the ones who stop us maybe picket entries to lanes to cause councils problems running on kerro is ok if you pay the duty on it anyway i did try to discuss it out of the way. that was a bad idea so its here now

24-05-2009, 08:49	#6
Deleted account DD Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 4,705	No one , least of all me, said you weren't allowed an opinion. What I alluded to is that a moderator is supposed to set the standards. You can argue the nuances of what you put as long as you want, but it was you who indicated unlawful activities could be discussed. Its there in black and white as one of the reasons for the secret squirrel section existing. I would suggest for the better being of the site you take anything thats past potentially objectionable to pm & email. If you want to "push the boundaries" lawfully and morally change the site so certain threads are only visible to paid up members who agree to the terms and conditions. I for one am quite capable of ignoring threads I dont like. That's very very easy to administrate. I can see why for example mods would have their own section to help run the site. I'd be surprised if that's not already in place. At the end of the day is this a 4x4 and technical site we've paid our dosh for or a Kerro burning Bridleway commando anarchists haven Believe you me however secret your section info leaks and shit sticks

24-05-2009, 10:28	#8
extreme-4x4 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: WALES Posts: 6,295	dave thats why they wanted to use one of those private rooms provided by the boss when he set up the new site. they have been there all the time ....just no one used them it was put out of peoples way so as not to offend. within the rules of the club also i see no harm in discussing peaceful protests even less peaceful if it gets heard....... or using kero if you pay the duty the fact that the boss made me a mod is his choice. im not fussed either way. but im not here to lead by example or tell people what to do or think or even write. its there club not mine or any other mods if someone is being picked on or bullied ill intervene or some one is posting offensive stuff, but that's it the rules as i understand them are very simple let people discuss what they like. just no nasty stuff or bullying as a mod im only here to monitor the site for bad stuff to help the boss im not here to run it for him or tell anyone what to do. so being green means im as equal to you or anyone. it just means i spend the time to read everything to make sure everyone feels safe and happy everyone is equal here

24-05-2009, 11:26	#10
zippy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NI Vehicle: 01 terrano 2.7 lwb Posts: 210	the only problem I have is that I would like to see the posts on running on kero

24-05-2009, 11:56	#13
lacroupade Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: All hail to the Glove of Love... Posts: 9,212	I'm going to say it because we're all getting a bit carried away - and I've said it before. This is a privately-owned pay-to-view website, so frankly it doesn't matter a jot what anyone says about anything or what anyone does. The one and only arbiter of good taste is the person who owns the website and collects the subscriptions. The Mods can only do what he tells them to do, and act in the way he tells them to act. If that weren't enough, this is t'interweb remember; anarchy rules whether you like it or not. There are no other rules, period.

24-05-2009, 12:08	#14
Deleted account DD Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 4,705	Agreed. I've previously been deeply involved in many sites but 2 in particular spring to mind. One as a mod and one as a founding member & member of secret area Both went horrendously wrong, loads of reasons but not least I didnt practice what I'm preaching here. There arent many rules but if you go against what some would describe as "normal" behaviour & standards, you'll sink if they choose to torpedo you , its just the way it works

24-05-2009, 12:17	#15
lacroupade Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: All hail to the Glove of Love... Posts: 9,212	Quite right Dave - the 'rules' if there are any are only moral, and since there are no other rules, when you break those you have to take whatever comes as a result, its the price of sticking your head above the parapet....and fair play to those that do!! As the saying goes, "the man who never did anything wrong, probably never did anything"..... Still, never a dull moment eh?!