t2 or mav ...........also known as ????? - Page 3

lacroupade · 02-03-2009, 22:54

No offence chaps but Wikipedia is a load of borrox. Its written by people like you and me, thats is to say, people who think they know stuff but often aren't sure (or right).

For example, see here....

http://wikicars.org/en/Nissan_Mistral

..completely contradicts the other Wiki entry.

But, I am 99.9% certain that, irrespective of where the bonnet catch is, the Mistral was made in Japan - and here in the UK its a grey Jap import. The Terrano II is broadly the same vehicle (at least early ones) but will have a lot of different components to the Jap version because of requirements to provide a percentage of European parts (which Nissan had to source to get Spanish government grants), as well as different emission controls etc..

And heres another way I know. I have a place in SW France about 20 miles from the spanish border and the Terrano factory isn't far the other side. I drive the length of France several times a year and when I'm at home there I cross from France to Spain regularly. I see shedloads of Terranos, often modded as the french like their outdoors. But one thing you hardly ever see in France (because I think import taxes are astronomical) is a grey Jap import. And I've never, ever seen a Mistral during the seven years I've been going.

Plus, as already said, it simply doesn't make commercial sense to ship a European-spec vehicle to the other side of the world when Japan is relatively down the road and has the Mistral....guess we can argue til some more firm evidence emerges, but Wikipedia most definitely isn't it I'm afraid........most unreliable data source on the net.

Deleted Member S · 02-03-2009, 23:32

Well the Nissan factory in Sunderland exports loads of cars to Japan

I know this due to some of my M8's do or used to work there plus a friend of ours was until last year one of the top guy's for Nissan europe. He even gets a brand new motor every year of his choise now that he's retired

willow · 02-03-2009, 23:40

Ok now I am really confused

Went to see a mistral that was for sale it had sold before I arrived

They did not think to tell before i made the trip

Still do not know if I should buy one if another comes up for sale

Are they good bad or ugly

Thomas-the-Terrano2 · 02-03-2009, 23:40

i wouldnt expect to see a mistral in france as steering wheel would be on the wrong side
and french are well known for restricting personal imports, ie ex pats bringing their uk cars
with them.

we know they are imported here to undercut uk cars, afterall look at how pajeros and
delicas have flooded the market, far more so than a few mistys. the question remains
as i said were the mistys built in spain, likely not, as im sure several members have
confirmed from their vins that origin is japland and judging by oz/nz they would have been
built more locally atleast to asia.

lacroupade · 03-03-2009, 00:11

believe me they'd buy a jap import if it wasn't for the taxes....as you know, T2s cost twice as much there as they do here...and since a lot of them are bought for offroad use, steering doesn't make much difference...

And Sweety, got to pick you up on that one mate...Nissan has just started exporting rebadged Qashqais to Japan - the first cars they've sent that way in 10 years....

http://www.ukinvest.gov.uk/OurWorld/100390/en-TW.html

Thomas-the-Terrano2 · 03-03-2009, 09:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by willow

Ok now I am really confused

Went to see a mistral that was for sale it had sold before I arrived

They did not think to tell before i made the trip

Still do not know if I should buy one if another comes up for sale

Are they good bad or ugly

Willosw, I'd say generally Good, a loaded t2 afterall. Almost always a slush box
though and not same as later fitted to r20s I think but still capable, as you already
have a sister truck gonna have an idea what to look for. Might be worth checking
insurance quotes before hand as some companies or brokers either wont touch them
or load premiums!

extreme-4x4 · 03-03-2009, 21:26

did they do mistral as a tdi .... ive only seen the td ones ???

Deleted Member S · 03-03-2009, 21:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by extreme-4x4

did they do mistral as a tdi .... ive only seen the td ones ???

Yes they did saw one on ebay the other month a nice SWB twin head light model would have had it if I had the money

extreme-4x4 · 03-03-2009, 21:57

Ford Maverick

looks familiar

Thomas-the-Terrano2 · 03-03-2009, 22:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by extreme-4x4

Ford Maverick

looks familiar

hmm thats clearly a patrol, makes you think the ford nissan marriage ran deeper than a
bit of badge engineering in the uk with 'our' mav and the r20/t2.

heard a good one yesterday from Scott, member and towbar guru/pro, that behind his ford
badge in the grill of his mav, is nissan markings. Also when wanting parts for his mav the
ford agents dont have a clue, so goes to nissan, then takes part numbers aquired and goes
back to ford where its cheaper...pmsl nearly. begs question as we discussed which cars or
trucks has ford actually built based on how many marriages of convenience they've had.

think VW, Mazda, Nissan, PSA/Peugout for new transits...

Thomas-the-Terrano2 · 03-03-2009, 22:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweety

Yes they did saw one on ebay the other month a nice SWB twin head light model would have had it if I had the money

seen couple of swb mk2s twin heads with intercooler bonnet but non later and not many
in lwb which is opposite to mk1 situation.

rossco · 04-03-2009, 10:01

From the Major Events in Nissan's History: (http://www.nissan-global.com)

http://www.nissan-global.com/EN/DOCU...08_E_32_35.pdf

1980 Jan Nissan acquires an equity interest in Motor Ibérica,S.A. in Spain.

1993 Feb Nissan Motor Ibérica, S.A. begins production of a new 4WD model, the Terrano II for the European market.

1994 April Nissan Motor Ibérica, S.A. begins its shipment of the Mistral (Terrano II) to Japan.

Thomas-the-Terrano2 · 04-03-2009, 11:52

Good link,

note in May 95 that Nissan uk ships micra (called march in oz) to Austrailia so
presume they also shipped out the r20s from Spain too as per Mistys.

may 2002 Nissan increases its stake in Renault to 15% wonder if this was a
2 way thing as many companies exchange shares leading to take overs.

No further mention other than an alliance in jan feb 08 making moves into
Israel and India, also in Jan 08 mention of Chysler oem agreement, presume
more badge engineering.

wonder if there is any motor company not 'in bed' with another somewhere!

lacroupade · 04-03-2009, 17:23

Don't you just hate it when this happens.

lacroupade · 04-03-2009, 17:24

So, what we gonna fight about now then?

02-03-2009, 23:40	#34
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04-03-2009, 11:52	#43
Thomas-the-Terrano2 Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hackenthorpe Sheffield Vehicle: Terrano2 R20 lwb 2.7TDi Posts: 5,234	Good link, note in May 95 that Nissan uk ships micra (called march in oz) to Austrailia so presume they also shipped out the r20s from Spain too as per Mistys. may 2002 Nissan increases its stake in Renault to 15% wonder if this was a 2 way thing as many companies exchange shares leading to take overs. No further mention other than an alliance in jan feb 08 making moves into Israel and India, also in Jan 08 mention of Chysler oem agreement, presume more badge engineering. wonder if there is any motor company not 'in bed' with another somewhere! __________________ M6YTB / 20YTB '60' 2010 Ford C Max Zetec 1.6i, black '56' 2006 Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.0TD, silver 2021 Bailey Pegasus Grade SE Turin caravan Smile, its more likely to confuse. One Life, Don't Just Live It, Drive a Nissan, or ...... a Jeep. Owner of Nissan 4x4s 2005 to 2019, and maybe in the future too!

02-03-2009, 22:54	#31
lacroupade Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: All hail to the Glove of Love... Posts: 9,212	No offence chaps but Wikipedia is a load of borrox. Its written by people like you and me, thats is to say, people who think they know stuff but often aren't sure (or right). For example, see here.... http://wikicars.org/en/Nissan_Mistral ..completely contradicts the other Wiki entry. But, I am 99.9% certain that, irrespective of where the bonnet catch is, the Mistral was made in Japan - and here in the UK its a grey Jap import. The Terrano II is broadly the same vehicle (at least early ones) but will have a lot of different components to the Jap version because of requirements to provide a percentage of European parts (which Nissan had to source to get Spanish government grants), as well as different emission controls etc.. And heres another way I know. I have a place in SW France about 20 miles from the spanish border and the Terrano factory isn't far the other side. I drive the length of France several times a year and when I'm at home there I cross from France to Spain regularly. I see shedloads of Terranos, often modded as the french like their outdoors. But one thing you hardly ever see in France (because I think import taxes are astronomical) is a grey Jap import. And I've never, ever seen a Mistral during the seven years I've been going. Plus, as already said, it simply doesn't make commercial sense to ship a European-spec vehicle to the other side of the world when Japan is relatively down the road and has the Mistral....guess we can argue til some more firm evidence emerges, but Wikipedia most definitely isn't it I'm afraid........most unreliable data source on the net.

02-03-2009, 23:32	#32
Deleted Member S Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,711	Well the Nissan factory in Sunderland exports loads of cars to Japan I know this due to some of my M8's do or used to work there plus a friend of ours was until last year one of the top guy's for Nissan europe. He even gets a brand new motor every year of his choise now that he's retired

02-03-2009, 23:40	#33
willow Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Norfolk East Vehicle: terrano11 1995 TD Posts: 1,955	Ok now I am really confused Went to see a mistral that was for sale it had sold before I arrived They did not think to tell before i made the trip Still do not know if I should buy one if another comes up for sale Are they good bad or ugly

03-03-2009, 00:11	#35
lacroupade Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: All hail to the Glove of Love... Posts: 9,212	believe me they'd buy a jap import if it wasn't for the taxes....as you know, T2s cost twice as much there as they do here...and since a lot of them are bought for offroad use, steering doesn't make much difference... And Sweety, got to pick you up on that one mate...Nissan has just started exporting rebadged Qashqais to Japan - the first cars they've sent that way in 10 years.... http://www.ukinvest.gov.uk/OurWorld/100390/en-TW.html

03-03-2009, 21:26	#37
extreme-4x4 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: WALES Posts: 6,295	did they do mistral as a tdi .... ive only seen the td ones ???

03-03-2009, 21:57	#39
extreme-4x4 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: WALES Posts: 6,295	Ford Maverick looks familiar

04-03-2009, 10:01	#42
rossco Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Wellington North Island New Zealand Vehicle: NIssan Mistral Posts: 1,107	From the Major Events in Nissan's History: (http://www.nissan-global.com) http://www.nissan-global.com/EN/DOCU...08_E_32_35.pdf 1980 Jan Nissan acquires an equity interest in Motor Ibérica,S.A. in Spain. 1993 Feb Nissan Motor Ibérica, S.A. begins production of a new 4WD model, the Terrano II for the European market. 1994 April Nissan Motor Ibérica, S.A. begins its shipment of the Mistral (Terrano II) to Japan.

04-03-2009, 17:23	#44
lacroupade Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: All hail to the Glove of Love... Posts: 9,212	Don't you just hate it when this happens.

04-03-2009, 17:24	#45
lacroupade Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: All hail to the Glove of Love... Posts: 9,212	So, what we gonna fight about now then?