Parking ticket dispute...

AlexD333 · 01-08-2015, 17:00

On and off parked here for the last 5 years to occasionally walk the mrs dog, so not to block the road up I sometimes put who wheels on the grass which is the land of the park (I believe) came back this morning with a ticket slapped on my screen...

So wanted opinions, what do you guys think.

Where the motor was parked

Behind the motor

Footpath to the park

No lines or anything else...

The terms of my parking...
I personally disagree

"Two or more wheels over a footpath" no... "Or any other part of a road other than a carriageway" still no..

macabethiel · 01-08-2015, 17:11

Yep they have you !
TBH not worth ever parking with nearside wheels on the pavement or verge.
The road is plenty wide enough so why risk it ?

don simon · 01-08-2015, 17:16

looks like you're banged to rights. I wish they were as keen as this for cars that park on cyclepaths.

solarman216 · 01-08-2015, 17:17

you mounted the kerb, that is illegal for any purpose, the kerb marks the limit of the road and you went off it, there are hundreds of laws like this routinely broken and for the most part are ignored, so in future sod the traffic you will cause inconvenience to and only park on the road, I think very seriously about mounting the kerb to say let an ambulance through as I know if there was an officious traffic warden about he could ticket me and if I went to court and said I did it purely to let the emergency vehicle through, the judge would say it is not a valid reason, just like if you are at a red light and two and blues were behind you, you must not go through that light if there are signal cameras you will be done, Rick

rustic · 01-08-2015, 17:20

No comment, don't know the bylaws for your district.
You need to take this up with the department that issued it, show the photographs.
If you drive around any estate in the country, you will see cars parked that way even on the footpath.
Never heard of any tickets being issued... But I wish they were...

I might make a copy of that and fill in some details to frighten my neighbours friends from blocking the pavements.

I always thought contravention 62 was having inappropriate bumpers on a vehicle lol...

solarman216 · 01-08-2015, 17:29

When driving a artic a long while ago we had to reverse into a very tight gateway, opposite was a house fronting the pavement, with an old biddy sat at the window if the front wheel went up the kerb by half an inch she would be on the phone to plod and they would attend every time, fortunately for me I was forewarned on my first visit or I would have earned a ticket, Rick

rustic · 01-08-2015, 17:37

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Originally Posted by solarman216

When driving a artic a long while ago we had to reverse into a very tight gateway, opposite was a house fronting the pavement, with an old biddy sat at the window if the front wheel went up the kerb by half an inch she would be on the phone to plod and they would attend every time, fortunately for me I was forewarned on my first visit or I would have earned a ticket, Rick

These days the police won't attend breakins, doubt they will attend two wheels on a curb for a second, with no evidence of the offence.

don simon · 01-08-2015, 17:45

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Originally Posted by rustic

These days the police won't attend breakins, doubt they will attend two wheels on a curb for a second, with no evidence of the offence.

I don't know, I've been watching those Traffic/Motorway Cops on the tellybox and they seem pretty keen to nick all sorts.

The Patrolman · 01-08-2015, 18:30

Seem a very high fine, there are limits that They can fine you for different types of offence. Check the the fine fits the crime.
Also I have asked CEOS in our area to ticket cars that park on the path reducing the space for wheel chairs n kids. They told me as a CEO they are not permitted to issue tickets for obstruction or yellow lines. I would check with the parking office to see if the CER was permitted to actually issue that ticket if not it could be invalid.
I would ask a fee questions but pay the reduce amount and contest it in good time.

macabethiel · 01-08-2015, 18:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by rustic

No comment, don't know the bylaws for your district.
You need to take this up with the department that issued it, show the photographs.
If you drive around any estate in the country, you will see cars parked that way even on the footpath.
Never heard of any tickets being issued... But I wish they were...

I might make a copy of that and fill in some details to frighten my neighbours friends from blocking the pavements.

I always thought contravention 62 was having inappropriate bumpers on a vehicle lol...

The Traffic Management Act 2004 came in after I retired and I believe various local authorities can adopt the whole or part of the act for enforcement. Seems a tad arbritrary to me.

Before that it was only an offence for a HGV to park on the pavement. To prosecute a car driver you had to prove an obstruction and prior to 2003 it was not a fixed penalty offence.

I assume it has not been adopted in the Derby City Area as two thirds of the vehicles parked near me are with nearside wheels on the pavement.

solarman216 · 01-08-2015, 18:52

Highway code rule 244 states You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London, and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it, Rick

macabethiel · 01-08-2015, 19:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by solarman216

Highway code rule 244 states You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London, and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it, Rick

The Highway Code does not create enforcable offences for which you can be prosecuted it's just what it says a Code for drivers though some of its parts are enacted in specific legislation elsewhere.

jims-terrano · 01-08-2015, 19:24

True the highway code is just as it says on the cover a code meaning a code of conduct and means nothing in law.

On the other hand I can see Alexs wheels on a grass verge not a pavement, there is a clear pavement on the other side of the road.

Have to say I would be tempted to fight it but then again I think it says £55, so may be less stressful to pay it and move on because you dont gets points or a criminal record from this.

kitchenman · 01-08-2015, 21:18

Where I live it is common practice to park on pavements, even police cars do it

panelbeater · 01-08-2015, 22:42

i am sorry that you got a ticket parked a bit on the grass edge but i did notice that you were opposite a junction too,though that was not on ticket.
i think pay up to get less stress as here even a motor bike parked off the road on the pavement will get booked.

01-08-2015, 17:00	#1
AlexD333 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Uk Vehicle: 2004 Terrano 2.7 TDI Posts: 7,847	Parking ticket dispute... On and off parked here for the last 5 years to occasionally walk the mrs dog, so not to block the road up I sometimes put who wheels on the grass which is the land of the park (I believe) came back this morning with a ticket slapped on my screen... So wanted opinions, what do you guys think. Where the motor was parked Behind the motor Footpath to the park No lines or anything else... The terms of my parking... I personally disagree "Two or more wheels over a footpath" no... "Or any other part of a road other than a carriageway" still no..

01-08-2015, 17:11	#2
macabethiel Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Derby Vehicle: Freelander & Jeep GC 3.0 Posts: 4,416	Parking on pavement or verge. Yep they have you ! TBH not worth ever parking with nearside wheels on the pavement or verge. The road is plenty wide enough so why risk it ?

01-08-2015, 17:17	#4
solarman216 Off road maniac Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bexhill on Sea Vehicle: Y60 Patrol Me, 3 ltr Mrs Posts: 17,431	you mounted the kerb, that is illegal for any purpose, the kerb marks the limit of the road and you went off it, there are hundreds of laws like this routinely broken and for the most part are ignored, so in future sod the traffic you will cause inconvenience to and only park on the road, I think very seriously about mounting the kerb to say let an ambulance through as I know if there was an officious traffic warden about he could ticket me and if I went to court and said I did it purely to let the emergency vehicle through, the judge would say it is not a valid reason, just like if you are at a red light and two and blues were behind you, you must not go through that light if there are signal cameras you will be done, Rick __________________ Ex banger racer now off road maniac Lokka on the front with manual hubs Diff lock on rear 3 inch SS straight through exhaust Manly winch bumper with 13000 lb winch 10 spike ground anchor, with multiple straps and blocks Super strong body cills capped with scaffold pole 20% stronger springs all round aggressive off road tyres on wheels so just swap. Aim to get stuck and be completely self sufficient in extraction, love getting muddy, 2ft deep is good but rare.

01-08-2015, 17:20	#5
rustic Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Staffordshire Vehicle: Maverick Mk I 2.7 TD LWB Posts: 7,825	No comment, don't know the bylaws for your district. You need to take this up with the department that issued it, show the photographs. If you drive around any estate in the country, you will see cars parked that way even on the footpath. Never heard of any tickets being issued... But I wish they were... I might make a copy of that and fill in some details to frighten my neighbours friends from blocking the pavements. I always thought contravention 62 was having inappropriate bumpers on a vehicle lol... __________________ Ford Maverick GLX 1995 2.7TD LWB in illusion silver, 98k miles. Owned since new, for 22 years. Best car I have ever owned. Just wish I could drive it more.

01-08-2015, 17:29	#6
solarman216 Off road maniac Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bexhill on Sea Vehicle: Y60 Patrol Me, 3 ltr Mrs Posts: 17,431	When driving a artic a long while ago we had to reverse into a very tight gateway, opposite was a house fronting the pavement, with an old biddy sat at the window if the front wheel went up the kerb by half an inch she would be on the phone to plod and they would attend every time, fortunately for me I was forewarned on my first visit or I would have earned a ticket, Rick __________________ Ex banger racer now off road maniac Lokka on the front with manual hubs Diff lock on rear 3 inch SS straight through exhaust Manly winch bumper with 13000 lb winch 10 spike ground anchor, with multiple straps and blocks Super strong body cills capped with scaffold pole 20% stronger springs all round aggressive off road tyres on wheels so just swap. Aim to get stuck and be completely self sufficient in extraction, love getting muddy, 2ft deep is good but rare.

01-08-2015, 17:16	#3
don simon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Gone. Vehicle: Terrano ii Posts: 2,215	looks like you're banged to rights. I wish they were as keen as this for cars that park on cyclepaths.

01-08-2015, 18:30	#9
The Patrolman Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Redcar, Teesside Vehicle: Y60 Patrol 4.2 PeTroll Posts: 2,122	Seem a very high fine, there are limits that They can fine you for different types of offence. Check the the fine fits the crime. Also I have asked CEOS in our area to ticket cars that park on the path reducing the space for wheel chairs n kids. They told me as a CEO they are not permitted to issue tickets for obstruction or yellow lines. I would check with the parking office to see if the CER was permitted to actually issue that ticket if not it could be invalid. I would ask a fee questions but pay the reduce amount and contest it in good time.

01-08-2015, 18:52	#11
solarman216 Off road maniac Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bexhill on Sea Vehicle: Y60 Patrol Me, 3 ltr Mrs Posts: 17,431	Highway code rule 244 states You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London, and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it, Rick __________________ Ex banger racer now off road maniac Lokka on the front with manual hubs Diff lock on rear 3 inch SS straight through exhaust Manly winch bumper with 13000 lb winch 10 spike ground anchor, with multiple straps and blocks Super strong body cills capped with scaffold pole 20% stronger springs all round aggressive off road tyres on wheels so just swap. Aim to get stuck and be completely self sufficient in extraction, love getting muddy, 2ft deep is good but rare.

01-08-2015, 19:24	#13
jims-terrano Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: UK Posts: 12,965	True the highway code is just as it says on the cover a code meaning a code of conduct and means nothing in law. On the other hand I can see Alexs wheels on a grass verge not a pavement, there is a clear pavement on the other side of the road. Have to say I would be tempted to fight it but then again I think it says £55, so may be less stressful to pay it and move on because you dont gets points or a criminal record from this.

01-08-2015, 21:18	#14
kitchenman Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Essex Wescliff Vehicle: maverick 1994 2.7 TD Posts: 1,278	Where I live it is common practice to park on pavements, even police cars do it

01-08-2015, 22:42	#15
panelbeater Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: clacton on sea essex Vehicle: nissan terrano 2 2.7 tdi Posts: 1,638	i am sorry that you got a ticket parked a bit on the grass edge but i did notice that you were opposite a junction too,though that was not on ticket. i think pay up to get less stress as here even a motor bike parked off the road on the pavement will get booked.