saw one of these today

[briggie]

great wall steed ...... must say it looked quite nice tho

http://greatwallmotor.co.uk/

[Lazy-Ferret]

I would like to see one properly.... I think having a new kid on the block, like China, might kick the Japanese back into putting a bit more care into their cars again...

[briggie]

http://youtu.be/hUDD2gMhGh4

[spinna]

The reviews I've read speak well of these and seem well built. I'd definately consider one if I was in the market for a new pickup.


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[Big Col]

residules would be awful, oh and Chinese running gear Colin

[clivvy]

I saw one of these today, thought it was the new Ford Ranger...!

Peter, where did you see it? I saw one in Huddersfield sort of near the big Sainsburys/Kingsgate, parked up..

have to say, it looked a real nice chunky beast, quite big, loved the rear canopy

[clivvy]

nope, tell a lie, it was a ford ranger I saw


very similar though...

[Bedhead1157]

Still not convinced by Chinese vehicles, and a 2.0 would have to work hard to haul something that size about.

[clivvy]

I suppose it all depends on the engine, gearbox and build quality. Chinese stuff isn't exactly renowned for its quality, and im sceptical of Chinese cars - they know how to make something LOOK good, but how many Chinese cars are available on the market and have a good reputation? none I believe, certainly nothing of note.

Going on looks, the Steed does look great, but I have it in my head that there would be this light and cheap feel to it - I would love to be proved wrong, and I do fancy having a look at one perhaps even drive one.

The Korean markets are improving in leaps and bounds - the quality of their cars are very good indeed, but I think China is wahay behind even them, and thats saying something.

problem is, a majority buy based on looks and thats why Chinese stuff sells so well, but as we all know its not how something looks that counts.

[Bedhead1157]

Originally Posted by clivvy

I suppose it all depends on the engine, gearbox and build quality. Chinese stuff isn't exactly renowned for its quality, and im sceptical of Chinese cars - they know how to make something LOOK good, but how many Chinese cars are available on the market and have a good reputation? none I believe, certainly nothing of note.

Going on looks, the Steed does look great, but I have it in my head that there would be this light and cheap feel to it - I would love to be proved wrong, and I do fancy having a look at one perhaps even drive one.

The Korean markets are improving in leaps and bounds - the quality of their cars are very good indeed, but I think China is wahay behind even them, and thats saying something.

problem is, a majority buy based on looks and thats why Chinese stuff sells so well, but as we all know its not how something looks that counts.

My experiences with Chinese motorcycles has been overwhelmingly negative, you would think it wouldn't be hard to make a copy of a 35 year old single cylinder 125 that stayed together, but still they manage to do it badly, the only good bikes to come out of there are sold under the banner of Japanese firms, they must crack down a bit on the quality control. Local kid bought a "Kaiser" 125 that looked like a CBR125 but the engine was like some ancient ohc Honda thing, I rode it the night he bought it and the damn thing was about as straight as a sine wave, he should have taken it back to the dealer there and then but he was besotted with the bloody thing. It lasted 8 months before it totally wrecked the motor, dealer claimed "abuse" and walked away, poor kid hadn't the money to take it to court.

Korean cars were good because they had a lot of Japanese input in the early days, and they still tend not to stray too far from the Japanese designs, I'd say build quality of anything Korean built, with the exception of a few Daewoos, is right up there with the European stuff, put it this way, if I wanted a car to last, I'd buy a Hyundai before I bought a Vauxhall.

[rustic]

There are a few issues with some Chinese vehicles, with the levels of formaldehyde and believe it or not... Asbestos used in some gaskets

See :- http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...257AD70005045C

China have a way to go yet.
Maybe they need to get into bed with a European manufacturer, like the Honda Rover exchange of parts. Mind you, looked at what happened to Rover.

Then you have Indian car giant Tata, whose reputation is at risk from Land Rover "reliability"...

Now, if the engine is better than what Renault currently have, then could this be a way forward for Nissan.
If you look at the reviews of most of the latest Nissan range, problems with vehicles fitted with the renault engine lead the list of the major faults.

[Bedhead1157]

The best Rovers were the ones with Honda input, sadly disasters like the 800, the 100 and the K-Series (although it's a very good engine if you look after it) meant they were doomed, especially when you looked at what other people were selling.

I don't know why Renault engines are going bad now, maybe it's because they're trying to get too much out of them, in terms of power, emissions and refinement?

[clivvy]

Originally Posted by Bedhead1157

My experiences with Chinese motorcycles has been overwhelmingly negative, you would think it wouldn't be hard to make a copy of a 35 year old single cylinder 125 that stayed together, but still they manage to do it badly, the only good bikes to come out of there are sold under the banner of Japanese firms, they must crack down a bit on the quality control. Local kid bought a "Kaiser" 125 that looked like a CBR125 but the engine was like some ancient ohc Honda thing, I rode it the night he bought it and the damn thing was about as straight as a sine wave, he should have taken it back to the dealer there and then but he was besotted with the bloody thing. It lasted 8 months before it totally wrecked the motor, dealer claimed "abuse" and walked away, poor kid hadn't the money to take it to court.

Korean cars were good because they had a lot of Japanese input in the early days, and they still tend not to stray too far from the Japanese designs, I'd say build quality of anything Korean built, with the exception of a few Daewoos, is right up there with the European stuff, put it this way, if I wanted a car to last, I'd buy a Hyundai before I bought a Vauxhall.

I agree, if I were in the market for a new car, or even a car that's a few years old, I would certainly have Hyundai on my list. Really excellent cars. They make their own engines, mostly, and have improved hugely over the years. there was a time I wouldn't touch a Hyundai, but the recent few years have produced some very decent vehicles - China is so far behind its quite scary to imagine they are a super power!

[clivvy]

Originally Posted by Bedhead1157

The best Rovers were the ones with Honda input, sadly disasters like the 800, the 100 and the K-Series (although it's a very good engine if you look after it) meant they were doomed, especially when you looked at what other people were selling.

I don't know why Renault engines are going bad now, maybe it's because they're trying to get too much out of them, in terms of power, emissions and refinement?

I agree, the Renault cars are sooooo complex now that its going very wrong for them. As you say, power, refinement, emisions are all a major factor in engine problems for those cars (not all of course). Its the same old with French cars - great idea, shame about the application.

[rustic]

Originally Posted by Bedhead1157

The best Rovers were the ones with Honda input, sadly disasters like the 800, the 100 and the K-Series (although it's a very good engine if you look after it) meant they were doomed, especially when you looked at what other people were selling...

I had a Rover 620 as a company car, great comfortable motor, in British Racing Green, what else, it looked great.
The only problem I had with it was the heater control came disconnected from the plastic spigot, two minutes and a cable tie ... sorted.
I think this was the Honda accord in drag.
I believe that the Rover 800 was the Leg End ( legend).