WARNING.....you may need an LGV licence

[(RIP) PLANK]

I don't think car derived, MPV etc. have any legal standing. If your log book states it's commercial then it all goes on weight categories. Full stop. I can't look it up now as I'm using my kindle But I have before and it is quite straght forward.

[Adz]

Originally Posted by firebobby

Emergency vehicles...fire engines, don't need tacho's nor do utility emergency vehicle, like water supply tankers, these are driven on drivers hours with log books.
So many different rules..just to make it confusing

I didn't bother with those laws & nor do the army

Some councils still use log books but that will be finished by next year

[Adz]

Originally Posted by Kamsin

Not wanting to argue but not all your points are correct. Company cards are only for downloading information, Workshop cards are only for workshop use (Fixing the tacho or re-calabration) Only a drivers card can be used on the road.

The exempt vehicle are running on UK Domestic rules, not exempt as such but working under different legislation, but still needing an LGV licence.

(Recovery vehicles used to be be exempt from LGV, but think now they have to have one again)

But i think were going off subject a little. no one is really intrested in all of that, they just need to be safe when they have a trailer on the back.

If in dought, check it out! Simples

Both the company & mechanic card can be used in the digi tacho

If it's to do with towing trailer's on your 4x4 then you DON'T need an HGV license
You just need to make sure you passed your test before ???? or have the right category

[briggie]

my licence is that old it advises a man walks in front with a red flag

[4wheel]

Originally Posted by Adz

Both the company & mechanic card can be used in the digi tacho

If it's to do with towing trailer's on your 4x4 then you DON'T need an HGV license
You just need to make sure you passed your test before ???? or have the right category

I don't think it has a thing to do with safety but all to do with money ! Waiting for drivers at horse events or auctions is typical of those who are "concerned for the safety of the motorist" . Hmm,think I will ride around with a coffin on my trailer.that should confuse them.

[Kamsin]

Originally Posted by PLANK

I don't think car derived, MPV etc. have any legal standing. If your log book states it's commercial then it all goes on weight categories. Full stop. I can't look it up now as I'm using my kindle But I have before and it is quite straght forward.

Thats another one for me to look out for then, Everydays a school day.

Can you not swap it over to PLG, i know my dad did it with his as it was an Ex Armed forces police car, but not sure if same ruls apply.

[melissachels]

I just had 2 go 2 the dvla office 2 tax my terrano as it was classed as disabled & the put the tax class as plg (private light goods) useage.

Don't know if this is completly correct but I read somewhere that horseboxes used by yards I.e. race horses, showjumpers ect need 2 be tachographed ad they are basically commersional (soz can't spell 2nite) but personal use for beach trips and local shows don't unless the driver drives for a living I.e. taxi driver ect.

As for the trailer rule I passed after 97 and have only provisional b+e entitlement, yet i was told my both the dvla and the traffic cops @ glasgows headquarters that i was legal to tow my pony with my 406 on the grounds that trailer & load did not exceed the kerb weight of the car and total was still under 3.5t

(car & trailer alone weighed 2100, car being 1.5t on its own, pony weighs no more than 400kg, n i only weight 45kg approx so had plenty to play with n pugs train weight total was 3.1t so couldn't exceed that anyho. I was neva made aware of the no load rule, and i spoke to about 15 different police/dvla folk n all told me the same thing

[(RIP) PLANK]

I think this is something I am going to have to look into as I do a lot of towing including horses as in the previous post. Kamsin thanks for the PLG tip I will gove it a go.

[Kamsin]

Originally Posted by melissachels

I just had 2 go 2 the dvla office 2 tax my terrano as it was classed as disabled & the put the tax class as plg (private light goods) useage.

Don't know if this is completly correct but I read somewhere that horseboxes used by yards I.e. race horses, showjumpers ect need 2 be tachographed ad they are basically commersional (soz can't spell 2nite) but personal use for beach trips and local shows don't unless the driver drives for a living I.e. taxi driver ect.

As for the trailer rule I passed after 97 and have only provisional b+e entitlement, yet i was told my both the dvla and the traffic cops @ glasgows headquarters that i was legal to tow my pony with my 406 on the grounds that trailer & load did not exceed the kerb weight of the car and total was still under 3.5t

(car & trailer alone weighed 2100, car being 1.5t on its own, pony weighs no more than 400kg, n i only weight 45kg approx so had plenty to play with n pugs train weight total was 3.1t so couldn't exceed that anyho. I was neva made aware of the no load rule, and i spoke to about 15 different police/dvla folk n all told me the same thing

What you have said keeps you excempt.

[Kamsin]

Originally Posted by PLANK

I think this is something I am going to have to look into as I do a lot of towing including horses as in the previous post. Kamsin thanks for the PLG tip I will gove it a go.

Its got to be worth a try, even if you have to fit rear seats for a while.

[solarman216]

So when Mr plod pulls you are you telling me he is going to know all these rules enough to do you or not do you, the bloody world is going mad, it is written in history that societies that continue to introduce more and more rules to control the populace eventually collapse, that is where we are headed, Rick

[briggie]

Originally Posted by melissachels

I just had 2 go 2 the dvla office 2 tax my terrano as it was classed as disabled & the put the tax class as plg (private light goods) useage.

Don't know if this is completly correct but I read somewhere that horseboxes used by yards I.e. race horses, showjumpers ect need 2 be tachographed ad they are basically commersional (soz can't spell 2nite) but personal use for beach trips and local shows don't unless the driver drives for a living I.e. taxi driver ect.

As for the trailer rule I passed after 97 and have only provisional b+e entitlement, yet i was told my both the dvla and the traffic cops @ glasgows headquarters that i was legal to tow my pony with my 406 on the grounds that trailer & load did not exceed the kerb weight of the car and total was still under 3.5t

(car & trailer alone weighed 2100, car being 1.5t on its own, pony weighs no more than 400kg, n i only weight 45kg approx so had plenty to play with n pugs train weight total was 3.1t so couldn't exceed that anyho. I was neva made aware of the no load rule, and i spoke to about 15 different police/dvla folk n all told me the same thing

just a thought ..... there might be different rules in scotland

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

Originally Posted by cncfabs

Are you saying gtw 3500kg or trailer weight over 3500kg.You have never been able to tow a trailer weighing more than 3500 on car license.I have lgv c+e but std licence used to allow something like 8250 but tacho has always been required if driving for reward

not technically correct, there are no towing limits on weight on a cat. B

see direct gov site.

however its self defined that such vehicles have a max of 3500kg generally
though some car have had more, my old rrc had 3500 normal and 6000 i think
in tractor mode!, plating had something about not exceeding 18mph

rrc range rover classic.

also seen american pickups that fell in to b not c1 that had tow weight of
around 4000kg....

[firebobby]

Originally Posted by solarman216

So when Mr plod pulls you are you telling me he is going to know all these rules enough to do you or not do you, the bloody world is going mad, it is written in history that societies that continue to introduce more and more rules to control the populace eventually collapse, that is where we are headed, Rick

I have to agree Rick, it's all very well these idiots bringing in these new rules (mostly from Europe) but they can't expect the average joe on the street, to know about all these changes.
How many people do you actually know that have been fined for these offences....you hear about this and that but does anyone know someone who's been done

[melissachels]

Originally Posted by Kamsin

Thats another one for me to look out for then, Everydays a school day.

Can you not swap it over to PLG, i know my dad did it with his as it was an Ex Armed forces police car, but not sure if same ruls apply.

u should be able to, but u'll need 2 go to the dvla office and get it done there. just do it nxt time it needs taxed (unless ur tax is cheaper of course)