Dale Farm...

Adz · 25-09-2011, 16:17

Decided to go & check out a few lane's in & around Basildon to & 1 of the lane's has been stolen by the TRAVELLERS

Here are a few picys...

The illegal entrance now taken over by the Police / Bailiffs / Council & Security...

The legal entrance with protesters & tv...

The funny thing is when I stopped to take a picy of the Police side, a power trip security guard told me to move on

I said why as it is a public road & live a few minutes away & just wanted to see what was happening... He got all high & mighty so I unleashed the Essex Boy Mouth on him

It's been on tv enough so what harm was I doing & I was doing nothing wrong

What is the country coming too...

What annoys me is that although the land may be green belt, they own it...

But nothing has been said about the byway, 2 bridleways & several footpaths that have been built on by the TRAVELLERS

clivvy · 25-09-2011, 16:50

You can do what the hell you want mate with your camera, he can shove his over inflated ego up his arse.

chrisdib · 25-09-2011, 21:32

good point, usually if you build so much as a bird nest over a bridleway or common footpath you have hikers and "walking enthusiasts" all over you tearing down fences and claiming the right to walk through your living room etc...

they seem oddly absent when facing a group of people that seem strangley above the law (i.e one threw a hot cup of tea on the t.v into a bailiffs face while the police stood by and did nothing)

Deleted account DD · 26-09-2011, 19:09

If you specifically photograph or appear to be photographing him (the security guard) he can object.

If your taking a photo of a public place AND youre not inciting or harassing, anyone/anything in that area and in view is fair play.

All of that has been well established over the past few years.

Adz · 26-09-2011, 19:17

Your not the 1st in the services to say that & as you can see he wasn't in the shot

I am now taking that route to work just to p**s him off

I do find it a waste time & money though as they won't go & there not making any attempt to move them

All I can see happening now is more pikys & people who have had planing turned down on green belt now building as this highly publicised topic clearly shows that the powers to be won't do anything

leafy1 · 26-09-2011, 21:03

We had a field near to us which was acquired by travellers and over 1 Bank Holiday they had erected a closeboard fence round it (It's a good 4 acres as well)put roadways in and had moved in.
I was shocked to say the least.......but I will give it to them for getting the lot done in a short space of time.Anyway I thought well that's it now they will be here for good ,but in the space of 2 weeks they were moved on completely,the entrance had great boulders placed at it and they haven't been back in 2 years.

I'd say there was a good 50 caravans there as well...............the authorities can move them on if they want too very quickly which is what they should have done at Dale Farm when all this first started.

So I will give Oxfordshire Council a

for being on the ball with travellers.

Bee Elzebub · 26-09-2011, 21:12

There's another ex-Pikey Park alongside the A130, on the northbound-side half-way from the Southend Arterial (A127) & the A12 (near Exchange Bridge, I think it is) - that was full to bursting point with caravans at one point, and got cleared miraculously on just one day, a couple of years back. The entrances were all blocked off with rubble & all sorts - waste of a good bit of land, I think... (Mind you, I wouldn't want to live right next to a noisy dual carriageway)...

Adz · 26-09-2011, 21:45

The problem with Dale Farm is that it's established & has tin tents, statics, bungalows & houses on it

Most of the homes & tracks off that stretch of the A127 are all piky

Essex County Council should of acted over a decade ago

Basildon is nick named piky city

& the reason why it winds me up so much is because my mum's mum & relation's where proper Romany Gypsy's & they were very clean, never stole or swor & would help anybody.
When this tax dodging, thieving scum call themselves "Gypsys" I take it as an insult & also "travellers" when they don't travel anywhere

apart from when they get moved on

When doing dustcart's a few job's back I had to collect from a few site's & there so aggressive toward's people it's unreal. I've had a few run in's with the low life scum both verbally & physically & I don't understand why more people especially the local council's & police

don't stand up to them

TONUP · 27-09-2011, 15:12

I was once threatened with arrest for using the word 'Gyppo' at a meeting organised by our local authority to identify potential sites for them!

The police officer in question said that I had to respect their right to diversity and that my remarks were racist. I guess he forgot where his wages were coming from?

Anecdote Ends

Alan

spinna · 27-09-2011, 16:39

I agree with Adz, i have a friend who's grandparents were Romany Gypsies and you couldn't meet nicer people. As for these travellers they are just theiving scum who drive round our housing estates several times a day looking for sprap. If they see something they fancy on your land and you are about they ask for it and if you say no they are abusive then come back later and steal it anyway

Deleted account DD · 27-09-2011, 17:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by TONUP

I guess he forgot where his wages were coming from?

That comment alone suggests to me you lost a grip on the real world

Deleted account DD · 27-09-2011, 17:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adz

The problem with Dale Farm is that it's established & has tin tents, statics, bungalows & houses on it

Problem with Dale Farm is that its there. Full stop.

Unlawful development with retrospective planning application is no way to go.

Unfortunately the law seems to help the guilty on this one and restrict the enforcers. Really winds me up seeing the residents now assisted by professional protesters gobbing off.

Liam · 27-09-2011, 19:05

Is this a sort of racist thread? Thought they were banned on here but maybe it only applies to "local" racism and as these are allegedly Irish maybe that's ok. My thoughts are if "An Englishman's home is his castle" it should perhaps be changed to "An Englishman's country is his castle", then maybe people in the UK would stick together and these situations wouldn't ever arise. Somebody sold them this land, and probably an Englishman who maybe wasn't too concerned about his neighbours opinion. I'm sure he is on his neighbours Christmas card list. We have this trouble here too, councils will put them anywhere the locals don't have a lot of money or influence, in a few places where the councils tried to locate them, the wealthy neighbours went to the courts and got it stopped. Interesting to note that it wasn't because the councils were trying to build halting sites for them, but because the council were not providing the proper amenities for the travellers. Nice spin, the rich and powerful insisted they had no problem with having the halting site in their area but were opposing the council's failure to provide the correct infrastructure. Naturallly, the council didn't want to spend a pile of money bringing the site up to the required standard, so they went ahead and built one where the locals probably had less money than the travellers.

Deleted account DD · 27-09-2011, 19:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liam

Is this a sort of racist thread?

Nope not remotely racist when considering dale farm. Effectively an unlawful development, theyve played the game and are on the losing slide.

Its a very very common trick amongst them to build them apply for retrospective planning permission.

They have induced the racist element with pathetic signage alleging genocide.

If theyre short of accommodation they can go on the local authorities housing list.

Id love to fit a detached bungalow in our garden but am I allowed to do it? no , so will i do it ..............no.

Deleted account DD · 27-09-2011, 19:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liam

We have this trouble here too, councils will put them anywhere the locals don't have a lot of money or influence

The local authorities where i used to live and where i live now have never practised that.

They take a robust approach to unlawful encampments. They also offer alternatives and thinking of two I am aware of they are on the periphery of brown fields or industrial sites and no chew.

I would suggest many are playing the game and are failing on a self induced conundrum. if they want to travel, go on caravan sites not grass verges. If they don't want to travel, buy a house or land LAWFULLY like the rest of us.

Simples

25-09-2011, 16:17	#1
Adz Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Roaming Nomad Vehicle: 1995 SWB Terrano Posts: 5,370	Dale Farm... Decided to go & check out a few lane's in & around Basildon to & 1 of the lane's has been stolen by the TRAVELLERS Here are a few picys... The illegal entrance now taken over by the Police / Bailiffs / Council & Security... The legal entrance with protesters & tv... The funny thing is when I stopped to take a picy of the Police side, a power trip security guard told me to move on I said why as it is a public road & live a few minutes away & just wanted to see what was happening... He got all high & mighty so I unleashed the Essex Boy Mouth on him It's been on tv enough so what harm was I doing & I was doing nothing wrong What is the country coming too... What annoys me is that although the land may be green belt, they own it... But nothing has been said about the byway, 2 bridleways & several footpaths that have been built on by the TRAVELLERS Last edited by Thomas-the-Terrano2; 26-09-2011 at 15:34.

25-09-2011, 16:50	#2
clivvy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Huddersfield Vehicle: Terrano 03 LWB Posts: 6,947	You can do what the hell you want mate with your camera, he can shove his over inflated ego up his arse. Last edited by Thomas-the-Terrano2; 26-09-2011 at 15:37. Reason: removing duplicated racially offensive comments

25-09-2011, 21:32	#3
chrisdib Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: west midlands Vehicle: 2002 maverick Posts: 11	good point, usually if you build so much as a bird nest over a bridleway or common footpath you have hikers and "walking enthusiasts" all over you tearing down fences and claiming the right to walk through your living room etc... they seem oddly absent when facing a group of people that seem strangley above the law (i.e one threw a hot cup of tea on the t.v into a bailiffs face while the police stood by and did nothing)

26-09-2011, 19:09	#4
Deleted account DD Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 4,705	If you specifically photograph or appear to be photographing him (the security guard) he can object. If your taking a photo of a public place AND youre not inciting or harassing, anyone/anything in that area and in view is fair play. All of that has been well established over the past few years.

26-09-2011, 19:17	#5
Adz Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Roaming Nomad Vehicle: 1995 SWB Terrano Posts: 5,370	Your not the 1st in the services to say that & as you can see he wasn't in the shot I am now taking that route to work just to p**s him off I do find it a waste time & money though as they won't go & there not making any attempt to move them All I can see happening now is more pikys & people who have had planing turned down on green belt now building as this highly publicised topic clearly shows that the powers to be won't do anything

26-09-2011, 21:03	#6
leafy1 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: England,Swindon,Wiltshire Vehicle: Nissan Terrano 2 Posts: 252	We had a field near to us which was acquired by travellers and over 1 Bank Holiday they had erected a closeboard fence round it (It's a good 4 acres as well)put roadways in and had moved in. I was shocked to say the least.......but I will give it to them for getting the lot done in a short space of time.Anyway I thought well that's it now they will be here for good ,but in the space of 2 weeks they were moved on completely,the entrance had great boulders placed at it and they haven't been back in 2 years. I'd say there was a good 50 caravans there as well...............the authorities can move them on if they want too very quickly which is what they should have done at Dale Farm when all this first started. So I will give Oxfordshire Council a for being on the ball with travellers.

26-09-2011, 21:12	#7
Bee Elzebub Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Suffolk Vehicle: ...Has Gone! 0..0 Posts: 91	There's another ex-Pikey Park alongside the A130, on the northbound-side half-way from the Southend Arterial (A127) & the A12 (near Exchange Bridge, I think it is) - that was full to bursting point with caravans at one point, and got cleared miraculously on just one day, a couple of years back. The entrances were all blocked off with rubble & all sorts - waste of a good bit of land, I think... (Mind you, I wouldn't want to live right next to a noisy dual carriageway)...

26-09-2011, 21:45	#8
Adz Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Roaming Nomad Vehicle: 1995 SWB Terrano Posts: 5,370	The problem with Dale Farm is that it's established & has tin tents, statics, bungalows & houses on it Most of the homes & tracks off that stretch of the A127 are all piky Essex County Council should of acted over a decade ago Basildon is nick named piky city & the reason why it winds me up so much is because my mum's mum & relation's where proper Romany Gypsy's & they were very clean, never stole or swor & would help anybody. When this tax dodging, thieving scum call themselves "Gypsys" I take it as an insult & also "travellers" when they don't travel anywhere apart from when they get moved on When doing dustcart's a few job's back I had to collect from a few site's & there so aggressive toward's people it's unreal. I've had a few run in's with the low life scum both verbally & physically & I don't understand why more people especially the local council's & police don't stand up to them

27-09-2011, 15:12	#9
TONUP Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: England Posts: 755	I was once threatened with arrest for using the word 'Gyppo' at a meeting organised by our local authority to identify potential sites for them! The police officer in question said that I had to respect their right to diversity and that my remarks were racist. I guess he forgot where his wages were coming from? Anecdote Ends Alan

27-09-2011, 16:39	#10
spinna Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Telford, Shropshire Vehicle: Nissan Patrol y60 4.2d Posts: 1,287	I agree with Adz, i have a friend who's grandparents were Romany Gypsies and you couldn't meet nicer people. As for these travellers they are just theiving scum who drive round our housing estates several times a day looking for sprap. If they see something they fancy on your land and you are about they ask for it and if you say no they are abusive then come back later and steal it anyway

27-09-2011, 19:05	#13
Liam Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Laois,Ireland Posts: 923	Is this a sort of racist thread? Thought they were banned on here but maybe it only applies to "local" racism and as these are allegedly Irish maybe that's ok. My thoughts are if "An Englishman's home is his castle" it should perhaps be changed to "An Englishman's country is his castle", then maybe people in the UK would stick together and these situations wouldn't ever arise. Somebody sold them this land, and probably an Englishman who maybe wasn't too concerned about his neighbours opinion. I'm sure he is on his neighbours Christmas card list. We have this trouble here too, councils will put them anywhere the locals don't have a lot of money or influence, in a few places where the councils tried to locate them, the wealthy neighbours went to the courts and got it stopped. Interesting to note that it wasn't because the councils were trying to build halting sites for them, but because the council were not providing the proper amenities for the travellers. Nice spin, the rich and powerful insisted they had no problem with having the halting site in their area but were opposing the council's failure to provide the correct infrastructure. Naturallly, the council didn't want to spend a pile of money bringing the site up to the required standard, so they went ahead and built one where the locals probably had less money than the travellers.