New 4x4 tyre law

Bat21 · 16-03-2009, 11:06

I've just got off the phone to a couple of 4x4 tyre suppliers.

I'm looking for 2 33x12.5x15 General Grabber AT2's for spares for our impending trip to Morocco and have been told there is none in the country

Apparently there is a new 4x4 tyre law being introduced in the UK and all manufacturers are holding back with production until they know what's happening.

I have 4 BFG all terrain's fitted and wanted 2 cheaper spares hence going for the Generals..... there are only 9 BFGs available in the country so I've had to fork out £300 for something I'll hopefully never use

Anyone know the score with this new law that is in the pipeline

16-03-2009, 13:09

Local ATS knows nothing about any law changes.

nejones · 16-03-2009, 14:04

Hi BAt is this what you're referring to?

http://forum.landrovernet.com/showthread.php?t=151193

Nath

(RIP) PLANK · 16-03-2009, 17:25

not anting to sound like a 'stick in the mud' but some mud tyres are rediculously loud! I have amate who uses some monster simex things and his landy sounds like a track laying vehicle! When you are out in the country you can hear some coming litterally from a mile away and they make more noise than the engine! So mabe in some cases there is a point to be made.

Maybe it is time for more intelligent tyre design to make better gripping yres, wihtout all the noise?

makeitfit · 16-03-2009, 17:52

Oh please....
I live a couple of sheep away from a farm and his piss off big tractor has tyres the size of a planet

So does he have to fit michelins now

I think it's a good idea to improve muds to be quieter, but dont legislate for it

It said on that link that they (EU) were concerned about people driving 4x4s with muds on having a heart attack

Well I reckon if they didn't get an attack when they were told the price of them, then driving on them will be no bother

(RIP) PLANK · 16-03-2009, 18:39

makeitfit, I doubt the tractor does 10k miles a year at 60mph on the roads as most vehilces fitted with mud tyres seem to do! I tink that is the problem here the amount of 4x4 oners who have 'all the gear and no idea' and use big mud reads all the time because it looks good rather than because they need them!

The other issue here are i suppose fuel economy and the environment, I jsut changed the tyres on my wifes suuki grnd vitara and went for Yokohama GO 12 at-2 tyres as they are supposed to be (and so far it seems true) a little better than BFG's and one of the big advantages i have found is less road niose and less stoes and other debris showering the road and under the car when you drive back onto the tarmac, but they are esxpensive.

I dont think legislation is a good thing either, but i am all for a bit of peace and quiet! The police and air ambulance do regular traning flights over our land and even at low altitudes make less noise than some of the 4x4's traveling at excessive speeds on the nearby b road! im all for a bit of fun but surely there is no need for all the noise? and dont even get me started on motorbikes

lacroupade · 16-03-2009, 20:33

"Aghast of Dyfed"!

I live in rural Wales and rural Oxfordshire and sometimes rural France and if I've ever heard a vehicle with noisy mud tyres its never registered thats what it was....so I clearly can't have been bothered.

This has got to be up there with the "standard banana bend" for crying out loud!"!!

And your Frenchie would be sticking a shotgun up the gendarmes jacksie if he complained about such things!

(RIP) PLANK · 16-03-2009, 20:41

i am suprised that this is an issue people are not aware of as it has allways been one of the conpromises of any 'off road' pattern tyres, excessive road noise versus traction off road.

Having said that though I think there would be more to be gained in reducing road trafic noise in better regulations (or enforcing existing ones) for motorbikes and car stereo sytems, and of course boy racer exhaust pipes!

JonathanM · 16-03-2009, 20:46

The noisiest 4x4 tyres ever created must have been the good (well, maybe not so good) old Goodyear Extra grips, as fitted to Army Landies in the 70's & 80's. Used to make a lovely howl on tarmac and were not that good (alledgedly) off road.

Jocky · 16-03-2009, 21:32

I've just got 4 BFG AT's for my Trol in last 2 weeks from blackcircle.

AT tyres making a noise

There extracting the urine now

Its about time some high powered politician in the UK told all these medling gits to crawl back under the rocks that they came from

Terranosaurus · 16-03-2009, 21:45

Has anyone read the legislation - theres a post on the linked to landy form that seem to sum it up for me - this is a proposal for labelling and asking manufacturers to work towards quieter tyres etc - not a ban.

(RIP) PLANK · 16-03-2009, 22:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terranosaurus

Has anyone read the legislation - theres a post on the linked to landy form that seem to sum it up for me - this is a proposal for labelling and asking manufacturers to work towards quieter tyres etc - not a ban.

I think that seems fair, encouraging manufactureres to work towards a solution rather than punishing consumers, if only they took this approach to all things! after all we can only buy what manufacturers make and retailers sell!

ern1e · 17-03-2009, 19:49

here the link for those who have not read the landy link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7936534.stm

i got to say i run on 31.10/50,15 mt on my mav for about 4 years now and not had a prob with them nor any more road noise then my standard road tyres

(RIP) PLANK · 17-03-2009, 20:35

I dont thnk the nose difference is something you tend to notice yourself, I have road in my mates landy with simex tyres ad inside it seems no noisier than any other landy (and thats quite loud) but standing about 100yds from it as he goes by one the road at 60 mph and it sounds like a track laying vehicle, it used st spook on of our ponies but he has got used to it now.

I also suppose it varies on the tyre make, size, vehicle weight, tyre pressure etc.

But It is a fairly 'understood' thing the heavier the tread the greater the tyre noise

I htnk we should be more worried by this minimum pice per unit thing on alcohol! with a minimum price for a bottle of wine of £4.50 and whisky minimum at £14 a bottle! now if the cheap drinks go up to that price what price is a decent bottle going to be? I will never be able to drink enough to drown ou the noise of hem tyres

makeitfit · 17-03-2009, 23:16

Gorden bennet, what the F word is going on this country, bring on the revolution

If this booze tax goes on then we'll be back to ferry crossings again for proper priced wine and real fat cheese!
Strange how the EU set up all these krapie rules but ON the continent it's never applied

Why should I have to pay extra for a decent wine for the sake of some twat kids on the piss

16-03-2009, 11:06	#1
Bat21 Administrator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Shropshire Vehicle: Tonka Toy Posts: 1,044	New 4x4 tyre law I've just got off the phone to a couple of 4x4 tyre suppliers. I'm looking for 2 33x12.5x15 General Grabber AT2's for spares for our impending trip to Morocco and have been told there is none in the country Apparently there is a new 4x4 tyre law being introduced in the UK and all manufacturers are holding back with production until they know what's happening. I have 4 BFG all terrain's fitted and wanted 2 cheaper spares hence going for the Generals..... there are only 9 BFGs available in the country so I've had to fork out £300 for something I'll hopefully never use Anyone know the score with this new law that is in the pipeline

16-03-2009, 21:32	#10
Jocky Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Teesside,Englandshire, I only sleep there honest. Vehicle: Nissan Patrol 2.8 TD6 Y61 Posts: 1,420	I've just got 4 BFG AT's for my Trol in last 2 weeks from blackcircle. AT tyres making a noise There extracting the urine now Its about time some high powered politician in the UK told all these medling gits to crawl back under the rocks that they came from __________________ (Y61) Patrol 2.8TD6 SE Touring.DPT Box. Ironman Nitro Shocks OME Springs 20mm lift front, 30mm lift rear. 33" General Grabber AT's, Airtec Snorkel, EGR Mod. 2.5" Stainless Exhaust

17-03-2009, 23:16	#15
makeitfit Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: on the beach WEST WALES Vehicle: Maverick TDi BLACK mmm Posts: 15,136	Warning. Adult 18 Only. No Lightweights ! Gorden bennet, what the F word is going on this country, bring on the revolution If this booze tax goes on then we'll be back to ferry crossings again for proper priced wine and real fat cheese! Strange how the EU set up all these krapie rules but ON the continent it's never applied Why should I have to pay extra for a decent wine for the sake of some twat kids on the piss

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16-03-2009, 13:09	#2
Darwin Guest Posts: n/a	Local ATS knows nothing about any law changes.

16-03-2009, 14:04	#3
nejones Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: tipton Vehicle: T2 Posts: 338	Hi BAt is this what you're referring to? http://forum.landrovernet.com/showthread.php?t=151193 Nath

16-03-2009, 17:25	#4
(RIP) PLANK Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Central England, in the Heart of the Black Country Vehicle: T2 2004 TDI SE LWB Posts: 7,740	not anting to sound like a 'stick in the mud' but some mud tyres are rediculously loud! I have amate who uses some monster simex things and his landy sounds like a track laying vehicle! When you are out in the country you can hear some coming litterally from a mile away and they make more noise than the engine! So mabe in some cases there is a point to be made. Maybe it is time for more intelligent tyre design to make better gripping yres, wihtout all the noise?

16-03-2009, 17:52	#5
makeitfit Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: on the beach WEST WALES Vehicle: Maverick TDi BLACK mmm Posts: 15,136	Oh please.... I live a couple of sheep away from a farm and his piss off big tractor has tyres the size of a planet So does he have to fit michelins now I think it's a good idea to improve muds to be quieter, but dont legislate for it It said on that link that they (EU) were concerned about people driving 4x4s with muds on having a heart attack Well I reckon if they didn't get an attack when they were told the price of them, then driving on them will be no bother

16-03-2009, 18:39	#6
(RIP) PLANK Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Central England, in the Heart of the Black Country Vehicle: T2 2004 TDI SE LWB Posts: 7,740	makeitfit, I doubt the tractor does 10k miles a year at 60mph on the roads as most vehilces fitted with mud tyres seem to do! I tink that is the problem here the amount of 4x4 oners who have 'all the gear and no idea' and use big mud reads all the time because it looks good rather than because they need them! The other issue here are i suppose fuel economy and the environment, I jsut changed the tyres on my wifes suuki grnd vitara and went for Yokohama GO 12 at-2 tyres as they are supposed to be (and so far it seems true) a little better than BFG's and one of the big advantages i have found is less road niose and less stoes and other debris showering the road and under the car when you drive back onto the tarmac, but they are esxpensive. I dont think legislation is a good thing either, but i am all for a bit of peace and quiet! The police and air ambulance do regular traning flights over our land and even at low altitudes make less noise than some of the 4x4's traveling at excessive speeds on the nearby b road! im all for a bit of fun but surely there is no need for all the noise? and dont even get me started on motorbikes

16-03-2009, 20:33	#7
lacroupade Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: All hail to the Glove of Love... Posts: 9,212	"Aghast of Dyfed"! I live in rural Wales and rural Oxfordshire and sometimes rural France and if I've ever heard a vehicle with noisy mud tyres its never registered thats what it was....so I clearly can't have been bothered. This has got to be up there with the "standard banana bend" for crying out loud!"!! And your Frenchie would be sticking a shotgun up the gendarmes jacksie if he complained about such things!

16-03-2009, 20:41	#8
(RIP) PLANK Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Central England, in the Heart of the Black Country Vehicle: T2 2004 TDI SE LWB Posts: 7,740	i am suprised that this is an issue people are not aware of as it has allways been one of the conpromises of any 'off road' pattern tyres, excessive road noise versus traction off road. Having said that though I think there would be more to be gained in reducing road trafic noise in better regulations (or enforcing existing ones) for motorbikes and car stereo sytems, and of course boy racer exhaust pipes!

16-03-2009, 20:46	#9
JonathanM Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Merseyside Posts: 1,048	The noisiest 4x4 tyres ever created must have been the good (well, maybe not so good) old Goodyear Extra grips, as fitted to Army Landies in the 70's & 80's. Used to make a lovely howl on tarmac and were not that good (alledgedly) off road.

16-03-2009, 21:45	#11
Terranosaurus Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: YORKSHIRE Vehicle: 2001 2.7 TDi T2 SWB Posts: 4,077	Has anyone read the legislation - theres a post on the linked to landy form that seem to sum it up for me - this is a proposal for labelling and asking manufacturers to work towards quieter tyres etc - not a ban.

17-03-2009, 19:49	#13
ern1e Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: essex Vehicle: ford maverick Posts: 534	here the link for those who have not read the landy link http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7936534.stm i got to say i run on 31.10/50,15 mt on my mav for about 4 years now and not had a prob with them nor any more road noise then my standard road tyres

17-03-2009, 20:35	#14
(RIP) PLANK Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Central England, in the Heart of the Black Country Vehicle: T2 2004 TDI SE LWB Posts: 7,740	I dont thnk the nose difference is something you tend to notice yourself, I have road in my mates landy with simex tyres ad inside it seems no noisier than any other landy (and thats quite loud) but standing about 100yds from it as he goes by one the road at 60 mph and it sounds like a track laying vehicle, it used st spook on of our ponies but he has got used to it now. I also suppose it varies on the tyre make, size, vehicle weight, tyre pressure etc. But It is a fairly 'understood' thing the heavier the tread the greater the tyre noise I htnk we should be more worried by this minimum pice per unit thing on alcohol! with a minimum price for a bottle of wine of £4.50 and whisky minimum at £14 a bottle! now if the cheap drinks go up to that price what price is a decent bottle going to be? I will never be able to drink enough to drown ou the noise of hem tyres