Really Disheartened :(

[Sweety]

Originally Posted by Banshee

Yeah problem is it's the one in the air that ends up spinning and the one on the floor you want to move stays put

Land Rovers don't have this problem because of Difflock right?

Selecting diff lock on a LR all it does is lock the centre diff (their perm 4WD & need open centre diff to be used on the road) which makes them the same as a Terrano in 4WD. Mine hasn't got an LSD due to being one of the last T2's but not worried about it as it'll still cut it off road I had a disco2 V8 & it was no way as good as a Terrano off road & the price of parts could be worse than Nissan ie a hub bearing f or r is £250ea & things are aways breaking/stop working

[puddle hoppers inc.]

see, chin up!
peasgood can bring a cortina so i can dribble over it please!! love em

[R1cho]

wait a minute, did i just read this right? i can say without a doubt there is nothing wrong with our t2's in mud or snow, we were out in the peaks once and a load of landy boys wouldn't go up one lane because it had been raining and thy were just wheel spinning, we went up in our terrano's no probs not even a hint of a wheel spin, as for in the snow the only time i've had all wheels spinning was when i was pulling a van out of a snow drift, as for mud, thats all about momentum, gotta keep them wheels turning as said most time people get stuck or whatever is due to driver ability (or lack of in most cases )

[rustic]

Originally Posted by puddle hoppers inc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQf0OlN9Tn8
see!!!! now put them tissues away!

The only difference I see with this Terrano over ours, is that the Sun Roof is open, and you have to remove a front headlamp.

So maybe that is the secret.

Unless there is a slight benefit from those chunky tyres, but also it was clear that he didn't care about denting it, or catching the underside, so giving it some welly seems to do the trick too.

I'm sure we could find loads of videos of green ovals getting stuck, and range rovers that can't even get a grip on wet grass on a very small incline.

Tyres... Tyres... Tyres...
Get a grip man...

Volunteer for navigator to Rick for a day, you'll soon get back the confidence we all already have...

Now best critic on this Forum is probably Fez, he moved over to a LR, more so, I think ! because he wanted to mod it more, I don't think he had any of the problems you have experienced.

[R1cho]

this is me, the ground here was mainly mud and leaves and moss, i looked at the ground before driving up it and knew that under there somewhere there were rocks to get grip on, after some sliding and a bit of spinning i found traction and was fine

[makeitfit]

SHEESH, I go to bed early and miss some action, off road too
1st off that red T2 in youtube vid has a live axle up front so could well have lost some flex up front.
LSD = LIMITED slip diff , not locked. So if you get inthe mud you can still spin a wheel under load. Easy fix though, grab a big handful of handbrake and that'll stop the spinning wheel and get a bit of drive to the stuck wheel.
LSD slips at about 75% ish I think. It may be tweakable but not sure onthat. The IFS is your weak point. As such you need to modify your driving to account for it. Think of your truck as nearly 3wd, when a landie is 2wd. By that I mean both axles are open diff and as such it's easy for them to get "cross axled" So one front wheel spinning and one back wheel spinning = landie stuck.
Terrano has nearly 1 wheel advantage to start with, BUT a bit less flex up front . So pick your line carefully to try and keep BOTH front wheels on the ground. If you cock up and spin a front then a quick dab on the foot brake will stop the spinner and may get the stuck wheel to get on with driving
TYRES the most important mod , end of.
Suspension and body lifts can help get your diff out the mud but both carry other hidden concerns.
In standard form the T2 should just out perform a std landie or disco type 4x4
It's the nut behind the wheel that needs modifying the most I reckon
Mod your truck like mine and then see what happens

[Fez_uk]

End of the day a terrano is a light/medium offroader. Unless you do what rick or makeitfit has done.

And for the price they can be had for they do very well.

terrano will compete just as well as a disco, Saying LR this and LR that is very vague as there are so many types. I would own 90s and 110s, but not a new range rover or a discovery.

If 4 wheels are spinning in mud (not grounded) and both vehicles have same tyres there won't be much difference. Then it will be about weight, experience and alot about luck. Maybe the LSD may help a tiny bit but it ain't no diff locker.

Jack the axle up from one side, Try and drive the vehicle. it won't move. With a locker it will.

If you want a serious offroader without spending crazy amount of money (£10k or less) there are only 3 vehicles to have: Landrover 90/110, Toyota Landcruisers (Front live axle version) and Nissan patrols.

I am actually thinking about getting a terrano again, As a light laner (so I can keep my foot in the door in the laning world), run around this winter and to haul stuff. For the price they do very well.

But saying that I will be buying a patrol as a project offroader.

[solarman216]

My off road motor has a Lokka on the front, and lost count of the number of other motors I have rescued, my road gong motors are terrific in the snow, as soon as we get some of the white stuff I shoot over to Hastings and plough up and down the steep hills for fun never got stuck yet and the road motors do not have the benefit of a winch or for that matter a Lokka, rest my case, Rick

[Lazy-Ferret]

There are 4 main essential things for taking a vehicle off road...
Driver
Tyres
Ground Clearance
Grunt.

If you look at all the professional off road vehicles, like the Electricity board, telephone companies, search and rescue, army... They all have good driver training, AT tyres, maybe extra ground clearance, and tend to have larger diesel engines.

As far as driving goes, you need to know how not to get stuck in mud, and that applies to any car you drive, Things like, picking your route, not allowing the wheels to spin in the first place by using the right gear, often 4Low is out of the question in Mud and Snow, and in fact, most times, so is first high. Half the people who off road take their cars into the most ridiculous places to try and prove a point, and then when they get stuck, enjoy the challenge of getting back out again using their toys, in the real world, if you had to off road to get somewhere, you would have driven round it, and gone out of your way to try and not get stuck.

For tyres, you need tread, bald, or barely legal road tyres are not going to be good anywhere other than bone dry hard stuff. But even reasonable tread road tyres, with the pressure reduced will work wonders in light mud. If you want to hit the real mud, you need the benefit of good tyres, designed to work in mud, which includes having tread patterns that go out onto the wall of the tyre, to allow you to use the edges to get grip as well as the bottom, and again, need to reduce the tyre pressure, so they can do their job properly.

Ground clearance is important, as the more of the vehicle that is off the ground, the less chance of getting stuck, so picking a sensible route is the important thing there. The main problem is, Landy's are pretty cheap and easy to mod, so you very rarely see a bulk standard one, and as there are more of them at P&P days, they tend to make the ruts deeper and deeper, and therefore harder for any "Standard road going" 4x4 to be able to go through the ruts keeping the body off of the centre. Unfortunately, the only way round that problem is to lift your own car, or try and run out of the ruts.

Grunt, this is a hard one, you need power to the wheels, to climb and pull, but often it is not so much about how much power, but how easy it is to control. The best way not to get stuck, is to never let the wheels spin, and that is done by keeping the power under the slip point. The more wheels you can drive, the better, so having a LSD on the back, helps keep the drive even, and since there is no centre diff on our toys, you then have the advantage of still having drive at the front wheels, but with them, which ever one has the least traction will get the drive, you just have to hope the back wheels are doing their job, to keep the fronts hard on the ground.

I have taken my "road legal", touring tug off road, and even with all it's road going creature comforts, and additions, on road tyres, she went everywhere I wanted to go that was within her limits, there was no point in taking her into the mud pit, as even fully togged cars were winching out, and on the occasion I saw Rick, his heavily modified Terrano was getting in and out of places heavily modified Disco's and Landy's were getting stuck. There was one hill both me and the wife were playing on, going up and down, that was loose dirt and nice and steep, but with a nice run out at the bottom. A proper trials bob tail came over to go up it, and was getting stuck only 2/3rds the way up, wheels and dirt going in all directions, engine rouring, the car bouncing all over the place, and at one point starting to twist sideways, and risk rolling. He eventually got up, after 4 odd attempts, and a lot of speed/momentum. We drove up it again, after him, no peddles in first low...

Personally, I tend to think that if you drive a landy, you either don't care about it that much, as they are "two a penny", and you just use speed and momentum to get you every where, or you have to drive it so carefully so as not to brake half shafts etc, you drive it properly, and can take it almost anywhere, like any other well driven off-roader.

I would say, take your own to a P&P day, and have a play, start out easy, and get a feel for her, then try a bit more, if everything is working as it should on your car, you will be amazed just where it will go, and to be honest, most times, I run out of bravado, before the car runs out of ability.

[puddle hoppers inc.]

wise words from all the above banshee, i will do some googling for a p+p day.

[bry]

Originally Posted by Banshee

I was just getting all excited about the snow coming again sat down to watch some videos to find 1000's of defenders romping around in it and then the minute a Terrano smells a bit of snow it says "F this" and buries itself

Must be the drivers.Its never happened to me(YET)

[Fez_uk]

people who say they have never been stuck before have not tested the abilities of the vehicle enough.

Being stuck is all part of it.

[puddle hoppers inc.]

yep, but getting stuck because you are going for it and getting stuck because you are a rodney is a different matter lol

[puddle hoppers inc.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcRBYpccP6g

here banshee have a butchers...

[puddle hoppers inc.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIGvhvOhLHU

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