Towing entitlement

JODA · 19-03-2014, 11:39

quick question!

Since i passed my test after 1997 i need to pass the trailer test in order to pull a car transporter trailer.

Can i however tow it un-laden & empty?

Thomas-the-Terrano2 · 19-03-2014, 11:55

id say no as trialer is grossed over 750kg max weight,

unless you can show unladen weight of it.

had issues before where folks have said cannot tow a 3500kg trailer
as terrano has limit of 2800/3000kg, even if trailer empty or running
under say 2800/3000kg.

suppose if can get away with it run risk of having to weight it if stopped,
I'd look at test

how much do you think a car transporter is unladen, whats on its plate.

Fez_uk · 19-03-2014, 11:56

Rules changed slightly last year or so.

From what i read you can now tow a unladen car trailer. But check on dvla website first.

Banshee · 19-03-2014, 12:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fez_uk

Rules changed slightly last year or so.

From what i read you can now tow a unladen car trailer. But check on dvla website first.

I've had this argument with so many people it's untrue

The DVLA now provide a tool so you can check for yourself

https://www.gov.uk/towing-rules

JODA · 19-03-2014, 12:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banshee

I've had this argument with so many people it's untrue

The DVLA now provide a tool so you can check for yourself

https://www.gov.uk/towing-rules

based on the tool get this:

Category B
You can tow trailers up to 750kg MAM (maximum authorised mass).

You can also tow larger trailers if:
- the combined trailer and vehicle weight isn’t more than 3,500kg
- the fully-loaded trailer weight isn’t more than the unladen vehicle

So if the SWB Terrano van & my Brian James is less than 3500kg im ok?

Fez_uk · 19-03-2014, 12:27

correct

JODA · 19-03-2014, 12:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas-the-Terrano2

id say no as trialer is grossed over 750kg max weight,

unless you can show unladen weight of it.

had issues before where folks have said cannot tow a 3500kg trailer
as terrano has limit of 2800/3000kg, even if trailer empty or running
under say 2800/3000kg.

suppose if can get away with it run risk of having to weight it if stopped,
I'd look at test

how much do you think a car transporter is unladen, whats on its plate.

Thanks for advice.

Im looking at doing the licence, but wont be through it anytime soon! Picking up a car in Liverpool in a few weeks!

Thomas-the-Terrano2 · 19-03-2014, 12:06

might be of use

as all searches refer to gvw or mam or max weights

http://www.armitagetrailers.com/trailerlaw.htm

last sentence

Braked Trailers

Although trailers with overrun brakes can weigh up to 3500kg gross, actual maximum weights are set by the specifications of the vehicle that is doing the towing. The law says you must not exceed the Gross Train Weight that the manufacturer has set for the towing vehicle. Look in the vehilce handbook or on a plate riveted to the vehicle to find this figure. You then have to subtract the weight of the towing vehicle (including fuel, driver, passengers, luggage or cargo) from the Gross Train Weight. The amount you are left with is the maximum theoretically-possible weight of trailer that can be towed legally. REMEMBER, the law does not care whether the trailer is empty or packed to the roof with bricks, what counts is the plated gross vehicle weight of the trailer.

Thomas-the-Terrano2 · 19-03-2014, 12:08

try here too,

probably best non gov site

http://www.ntta.co.uk/law/

briggie · 26-07-2014, 18:26

ive got B+E on my licence

Banshee · 12-01-2015, 10:51

jims-terrano · 12-01-2015, 18:56

When you posting a picture fo the trailer then pal

That looks just like a trailer only smaller

Does that say corgi on the side

Sweety · 12-01-2015, 20:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banshee

You just need some bigger wheels fitted on that trailer

Barrbeast · 13-01-2015, 00:00

Thomas-the-Terrano2 · 13-01-2015, 00:09

Our first T2 with our first (little) Lunar Meteorite, really didn't know was there.

19-03-2014, 11:39	#1
JODA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Fife, Scotland Posts: 112	Towing entitlement quick question! Since i passed my test after 1997 i need to pass the trailer test in order to pull a car transporter trailer. Can i however tow it un-laden & empty?

19-03-2014, 11:55	#2
Thomas-the-Terrano2 Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hackenthorpe Sheffield Vehicle: Terrano2 R20 lwb 2.7TDi Posts: 5,234	id say no as trialer is grossed over 750kg max weight, unless you can show unladen weight of it. had issues before where folks have said cannot tow a 3500kg trailer as terrano has limit of 2800/3000kg, even if trailer empty or running under say 2800/3000kg. suppose if can get away with it run risk of having to weight it if stopped, I'd look at test how much do you think a car transporter is unladen, whats on its plate. __________________ M6YTB / 20YTB '60' 2010 Ford C Max Zetec 1.6i, black '56' 2006 Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.0TD, silver 2021 Bailey Pegasus Grade SE Turin caravan Smile, its more likely to confuse. One Life, Don't Just Live It, Drive a Nissan, or ...... a Jeep. Owner of Nissan 4x4s 2005 to 2019, and maybe in the future too!

19-03-2014, 12:06	#8
Thomas-the-Terrano2 Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hackenthorpe Sheffield Vehicle: Terrano2 R20 lwb 2.7TDi Posts: 5,234	might be of use as all searches refer to gvw or mam or max weights http://www.armitagetrailers.com/trailerlaw.htm last sentence Braked Trailers Although trailers with overrun brakes can weigh up to 3500kg gross, actual maximum weights are set by the specifications of the vehicle that is doing the towing. The law says you must not exceed the Gross Train Weight that the manufacturer has set for the towing vehicle. Look in the vehilce handbook or on a plate riveted to the vehicle to find this figure. You then have to subtract the weight of the towing vehicle (including fuel, driver, passengers, luggage or cargo) from the Gross Train Weight. The amount you are left with is the maximum theoretically-possible weight of trailer that can be towed legally. REMEMBER, the law does not care whether the trailer is empty or packed to the roof with bricks, what counts is the plated gross vehicle weight of the trailer. __________________ M6YTB / 20YTB '60' 2010 Ford C Max Zetec 1.6i, black '56' 2006 Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.0TD, silver 2021 Bailey Pegasus Grade SE Turin caravan Smile, its more likely to confuse. One Life, Don't Just Live It, Drive a Nissan, or ...... a Jeep. Owner of Nissan 4x4s 2005 to 2019, and maybe in the future too!

19-03-2014, 12:08	#9
Thomas-the-Terrano2 Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hackenthorpe Sheffield Vehicle: Terrano2 R20 lwb 2.7TDi Posts: 5,234	try here too, probably best non gov site http://www.ntta.co.uk/law/ __________________ M6YTB / 20YTB '60' 2010 Ford C Max Zetec 1.6i, black '56' 2006 Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.0TD, silver 2021 Bailey Pegasus Grade SE Turin caravan Smile, its more likely to confuse. One Life, Don't Just Live It, Drive a Nissan, or ...... a Jeep. Owner of Nissan 4x4s 2005 to 2019, and maybe in the future too!

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19-03-2014, 11:56	#3
Fez_uk Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Mid-Wales Vehicle: Maverick 2.7 - Patrol 4.2 Posts: 5,645	Rules changed slightly last year or so. From what i read you can now tow a unladen car trailer. But check on dvla website first.

19-03-2014, 12:27	#6
Fez_uk Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Mid-Wales Vehicle: Maverick 2.7 - Patrol 4.2 Posts: 5,645	correct

26-07-2014, 18:26	#10
briggie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: peoples democratic republic of west yorkshire Vehicle: " alice " Posts: 10,473	ive got B+E on my licence

12-01-2015, 18:56	#12
jims-terrano Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: UK Posts: 12,965	When you posting a picture fo the trailer then pal That looks just like a trailer only smaller Does that say corgi on the side

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