Rubbing sound

JCH · 02-05-2013, 12:10

My Terrano 2003 has pulled a caravan very successfully,it's first time. However having towed for 1500 miles, even without the van on the back, I am getting a sort of rubbing sound at the rear, which goes within a couple of minutes and the vehicle then drives superbly with or without the van.it seems to come from around the suspension area,but I am not sure.
Is it a spring problem or is her something this very non technical member can do to get rid of the noise

Once the noise subsides after a minute or two it drives superbly.

Thanks in advance for any help

Jon

trophymick · 02-05-2013, 12:35

When does it do it, when it's been parked for a while with handbrake on, overnight?

If it's as above, it could very well be the rear brakes rubbing slight corrosion off the drums.

Mick

rustic · 02-05-2013, 12:38

Hi Jon, there are a lot of suspension bits at the back, springs, anti roll bar with their bushes and ball joints, then the Pan hard rod which goes across the axle and the suspension tie bars from the chassis to the rear axle, plus a link to the brake proportion adjuster.

Now when I first had my mav, it had the occasional squeak, so I dabbed all the bushes and ball joints with waxoyl.
The squeak went, never came back and that was nearly 18 years ago.

Having said that, ALL the rear bushes and ARB joints are the factory originals, and they are now over 18 years old.

You need to rock the car sideways whilst stationary and notice any clunks or clicks, if from front most likely the front ARB ball joints, they only last a few years...

Check also that the exhaust isn't catching, an issue occurs at the clamp next to the gearbox, this "U" clamp becomes loose, and normally produces a rattle, cured by putting double nuts on the U bold to save them coming loose.

Hope this helps, but I have never encountered any rubbing on mine.

Rear brake drums can appear to do this I guess as the Auto adjusters just don't work.
A quick strip down and adjust should be fine.

Best regards,

Rustic

clivvy · 02-05-2013, 13:24

sounds like the rear brakes are binding, are they discs or drums?

does the handbrake hold the car ok?

jims-terrano · 02-05-2013, 13:40

Do you know when the rear diff oil was last changed? or what type was used? These diffs need proper LSD Oil, not gear oil with an additive.

Rear brakes sticking perhaps?

Are you sure it's from the back? when the front auto locking hubs go faulty it can sound like a rubbing noise every now and then. Remember you shouldn't use these trucks in 4wd on a hard surface. This said I used to stick it in 4wd and drive forward and reverse a few feet and then take it out of 4wd and drepeat in 2wd to unlock the hubs. Also as sticking hubs get worse they start to get hot but this can be confused with brake heat too.

JCH · 02-05-2013, 14:30

YES.
It is after the vehicle has stood overnight with the hand brake on.
Sounds like this is the problem.

When we get home.We are touring at he moment,I will get it looked at.
What do I need to ask at e garage.

Also I will check the hand brake but I think it is O K

Jon.

JCH · 02-05-2013, 14:55

Would it be a good check to leave the handbrake off tonight.Chocked of course before anyone says anything.if it does not make the noise what will that tell us

trophymick · 02-05-2013, 15:29

Try it, if it doesn't make the noise tomorrow, bingo!

Now if it does...............................

Mick

JCH · 03-05-2013, 10:23

Le ft handbrake off last night but still had the rubbing noise this morning.stopped as soon as I got going.as I live in France could somebody tell me what I need to ask the garage to do.
Can they just clean up the drums if they are rusty.
Thanks
Jon

Lazy-Ferret · 03-05-2013, 11:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Campbell-Harris

Le ft handbrake off last night but still had the rubbing noise this morning.stopped as soon as I got going.as I live in France could somebody tell me what I need to ask the garage to do.
Can they just clean up the drums if they are rusty.
Thanks
Jon

Could just be the dust in the drums settling to the bottom, and hardening into a lump over night, then as soon as you get going, it grinds back into a dust... I would just ask the garage to take the rear drums off, and clean them out.

Mind you, it's such a simple job, I would actually do it myself. If you are able to take the wheel off, and then wield a spanner. You just need 2, M8x50mm bolts to wind into the threaded holes on the drum, to push the drums off. Wipe it round with a damp rag (Don't blow it, or breath in the dust), use a paint brush to dust round the back plate you can get to (Again, do not make it fly around, or breath it in), and then put the hub and back wheel back on.

Simples...

96terrano · 03-05-2013, 11:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lazy-Ferret

Could just be the dust in the drums settling to the bottom, and hardening into a lump over night, then as soon as you get going, it grinds back into a dust... I would just ask the garage to take the rear drums off, and clean them out.

Mind you, it's such a simple job, I would actually do it myself. If you are able to take the wheel off, and then wield a spanner. You just need 2, M8x50mm bolts to wind into the threaded holes on the drum, to push the drums off. Wipe it round with a damp rag (Don't blow it, or breath in the dust), use a paint brush to dust round the back plate you can get to (Again, do not make it fly around, or breath it in), and then put the hub and back wheel back on.

Simples...

i used a mask and compressed air

TONUP · 03-05-2013, 12:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lazy-Ferret

Could just be the dust in the drums settling to the bottom, and hardening into a lump over night, then as soon as you get going, it grinds back into a dust... I would just ask the garage to take the rear drums off, and clean them out.

Mind you, it's such a simple job, I would actually do it myself. If you are able to take the wheel off, and then wield a spanner. You just need 2, M8x50mm bolts to wind into the threaded holes on the drum, to push the drums off. Wipe it round with a damp rag (Don't blow it, or breath in the dust), use a paint brush to dust round the back plate you can get to (Again, do not make it fly around, or breath it in), and then put the hub and back wheel back on.

Simples...

Good advice above, you may also need to loosen of the handbrake cable to get the drums on and off with ease.

Regards

Alan

rustic · 03-05-2013, 15:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by TONUP

Good advice above, you may also need to loosen of the handbrake cable to get the drums on and off with ease.
Regards
Alan

This is essential.

JCH · 03-05-2013, 11:42

Thanks Clive will get to it when we get home next week
Jon

02-05-2013, 12:10	#1
JCH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: France Department 85. Vendee Vehicle: 2003 Nissan Terrano LWB Posts: 128	Rubbing sound My Terrano 2003 has pulled a caravan very successfully,it's first time. However having towed for 1500 miles, even without the van on the back, I am getting a sort of rubbing sound at the rear, which goes within a couple of minutes and the vehicle then drives superbly with or without the van.it seems to come from around the suspension area,but I am not sure. Is it a spring problem or is her something this very non technical member can do to get rid of the noise Once the noise subsides after a minute or two it drives superbly. Thanks in advance for any help Jon

02-05-2013, 12:38	#3
rustic Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Staffordshire Vehicle: Maverick Mk I 2.7 TD LWB Posts: 7,825	Hi Jon, there are a lot of suspension bits at the back, springs, anti roll bar with their bushes and ball joints, then the Pan hard rod which goes across the axle and the suspension tie bars from the chassis to the rear axle, plus a link to the brake proportion adjuster. Now when I first had my mav, it had the occasional squeak, so I dabbed all the bushes and ball joints with waxoyl. The squeak went, never came back and that was nearly 18 years ago. Having said that, ALL the rear bushes and ARB joints are the factory originals, and they are now over 18 years old. You need to rock the car sideways whilst stationary and notice any clunks or clicks, if from front most likely the front ARB ball joints, they only last a few years... Check also that the exhaust isn't catching, an issue occurs at the clamp next to the gearbox, this "U" clamp becomes loose, and normally produces a rattle, cured by putting double nuts on the U bold to save them coming loose. Hope this helps, but I have never encountered any rubbing on mine. Rear brake drums can appear to do this I guess as the Auto adjusters just don't work. A quick strip down and adjust should be fine. Best regards, Rustic __________________ Ford Maverick GLX 1995 2.7TD LWB in illusion silver, 98k miles. Owned since new, for 22 years. Best car I have ever owned. Just wish I could drive it more.

02-05-2013, 14:30	#6
JCH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: France Department 85. Vendee Vehicle: 2003 Nissan Terrano LWB Posts: 128	Rubbing YES. It is after the vehicle has stood overnight with the hand brake on. Sounds like this is the problem. When we get home.We are touring at he moment,I will get it looked at. What do I need to ask at e garage. Also I will check the hand brake but I think it is O K Jon.

02-05-2013, 14:55	#7
JCH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: France Department 85. Vendee Vehicle: 2003 Nissan Terrano LWB Posts: 128	Rubbing Would it be a good check to leave the handbrake off tonight.Chocked of course before anyone says anything.if it does not make the noise what will that tell us

03-05-2013, 10:23	#9
JCH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: France Department 85. Vendee Vehicle: 2003 Nissan Terrano LWB Posts: 128	Rubbing continued Le ft handbrake off last night but still had the rubbing noise this morning.stopped as soon as I got going.as I live in France could somebody tell me what I need to ask the garage to do. Can they just clean up the drums if they are rusty. Thanks Jon

02-05-2013, 12:35	#2
trophymick Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Langholm,Scotland Vehicle: 2001 Terrano 2. S LWB 2.7 Posts: 463	When does it do it, when it's been parked for a while with handbrake on, overnight? If it's as above, it could very well be the rear brakes rubbing slight corrosion off the drums. Mick

02-05-2013, 13:24	#4
clivvy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Huddersfield Vehicle: Terrano 03 LWB Posts: 6,947	sounds like the rear brakes are binding, are they discs or drums? does the handbrake hold the car ok?

02-05-2013, 13:40	#5
jims-terrano Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: UK Posts: 12,965	Do you know when the rear diff oil was last changed? or what type was used? These diffs need proper LSD Oil, not gear oil with an additive. Rear brakes sticking perhaps? Are you sure it's from the back? when the front auto locking hubs go faulty it can sound like a rubbing noise every now and then. Remember you shouldn't use these trucks in 4wd on a hard surface. This said I used to stick it in 4wd and drive forward and reverse a few feet and then take it out of 4wd and drepeat in 2wd to unlock the hubs. Also as sticking hubs get worse they start to get hot but this can be confused with brake heat too.

02-05-2013, 15:29	#8
trophymick Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Langholm,Scotland Vehicle: 2001 Terrano 2. S LWB 2.7 Posts: 463	Try it, if it doesn't make the noise tomorrow, bingo! Now if it does............................... Mick

03-05-2013, 11:42	#14
JCH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: France Department 85. Vendee Vehicle: 2003 Nissan Terrano LWB Posts: 128	Rubbing Thanks Clive will get to it when we get home next week Jon