Democracy in action

[Liam]

Our Prime Minister on radio yesterday to discuss forthcoming Lisbon Treaty Referendum (part 2) says we are having this referendum because we live in a Democracy and the Government go by the wishes of the people. Apparently the Government have got the clarification from the EU that the people wanted and we now get to vote again. He seems to think we voted No because we wanted reassurance regarding a few items, not because we wanted to vote No because we don't want the Lisbon Treaty. Democracy,Dictatorship ,what's the difference? I hope to God this Treaty is voted against again, maybe then the penny will drop.

[zippy]

Hi Liam

I must admit if we in the North were allowed a referendum (at least you get one in the South) I would probably vote yes with a few caveats. The writing is on the wall - the world is changing at a great pace and I dont think it is wise to go it alone for much longer. If Europe became a federalist state then we individuals in member countries would be protected much better.

However my problem is the lack of democracy of the EU. If they sort that out then i would def say yes.

Each to their own here and I can understand the rationale for many in the south who voted no last time round but I can remember visiting relatives in the south as a child before it was a member state and the standard of living was much poorer than the north. Now the south has higher standards of living than the north.

Two things probably benefitted the south most to become the 'celtic tiger' we hear about, firstly the decision to become members of the EU and secondly the government policy of adopting a distinctly american capitalist economy. Both policy decisions were very prudent - the South has really shone in the last few years.

Regards
Lee

[Liam]

Originally Posted by zippy

Hi Liam

I must admit if we in the North were allowed a referendum (at least you get one in the South) I would probably vote yes with a few caveats. The writing is on the wall - the world is changing at a great pace and I dont think it is wise to go it alone for much longer. If Europe became a federalist state then we individuals in member countries would be protected much better.

However my problem is the lack of democracy of the EU. If they sort that out then i would def say yes.

Each to their own here and I can understand the rationale for many in the south who voted no last time round but I can remember visiting relatives in the south as a child before it was a member state and the standard of living was much poorer than the north. Now the south has higher standards of living than the north.

Two things probably benefitted the south most to become the 'celtic tiger' we hear about, firstly the decision to become members of the EU and secondly the government policy of adopting a distinctly american capitalist economy. Both policy decisions were very prudent - the South has really shone in the last few years.

Regards
Lee

My worry is that we are inevitably heading for a one world Government, might take a few years but that seems to be the long term plan. The Celtic Tiger unfortunately missed an awful lot of people down here. Sure,developers got rich but the man in the street got royally screwed. We supplied concrete to a large apartment development in Portlaoise and the apartments were all sold off the plans in a couple of hours. Apartments are finished but the buyers can't get the mortgages and the builder is gone belly up. Empty apartments and worth a lot less than they were originally sold for. Most people who bought houses during the boom are now sitting on a property worth a lot less than they bought it for a couple of years ago,coupled with 440,000 unemployed and rising, it will be a very long time before we start coming out of recession. I'm one of the lucky ones,still working,albeit on about half what I earned last year, small mortgage and grown children who are both working, as is my wife. I don't know what the future holds but expect a really harsh budget in November.

[lacroupade]

Originally Posted by Liam

My worry is that we are inevitably heading for a one world Government, might take a few years but that seems to be the long term plan. The Celtic Tiger unfortunately missed an awful lot of people down here. Sure,developers got rich but the man in the street got royally screwed. We supplied concrete to a large apartment development in Portlaoise and the apartments were all sold off the plans in a couple of hours. Apartments are finished but the buyers can't get the mortgages and the builder is gone belly up. Empty apartments and worth a lot less than they were originally sold for. Most people who bought houses during the boom are now sitting on a property worth a lot less than they bought it for a couple of years ago,coupled with 440,000 unemployed and rising, it will be a very long time before we start coming out of recession. I'm one of the lucky ones,still working,albeit on about half what I earned last year, small mortgage and grown children who are both working, as is my wife. I don't know what the future holds but expect a really harsh budget in November.

My brother is over here for a visit and telling me how he managed to afford his extension in Portlaoise , with stuff like the blockies going from 2 euros a block to less than 50 cents....and skilled guys working for 70-80 euros a day.... bad times eh.

[Liam]

Originally Posted by lacroupade

My brother is over here for a visit and telling me how he managed to afford his extension in Portlaoise , with stuff like the blockies going from 2 euros a block to less than 50 cents....and skilled guys working for 70-80 euros a day.... bad times eh.

Wish I was skilled, an increase in salary would be great. Just thinking,who did he get his concrete from? I don't remember going to him with concrete

[lacroupade]

Originally Posted by Liam

Wish I was skilled, an increase in salary would be great. Just thinking,who did he get his concrete from? I don't remember going to him with concrete

good point! tight arse probably mixed it himself....he has a mate called Eddie who does a bit of everything, especially driveways....probably got some cheap shite off him!