reasons to not drive a 4x4

briggie · 29-04-2012, 21:44

by the anti 4x4 brigade

http://www.stopurban4x4s.org.uk/reasons.htm

stinka · 29-04-2012, 21:49

fkn ridiculous, the EU will probably ban them soon anyway

Fez_uk · 29-04-2012, 21:49

haha some of those issues are funny.

Climate change? Oh yeah because I drive a slightly more polluting vehicle compared to a normal car I have ruined this earth.

or it's likely it's our lifestyles, Factories, Jets, Bla bla bla

"as an extra bonus, other drivers might occasionally let you pull out ahead of them."

Thats not a problem I just "assume" they let me out and barge my way in front of them

stinka · 29-04-2012, 21:51

climate change is a myth anyway, utter bollox.

SPARKIEDOO · 29-04-2012, 22:08

its my life......i will do & drive what F*CK i want

bunch of TWATS

Midlander · 30-04-2012, 17:59

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Originally Posted by SPARKIEDOO

its my life......i will do & drive what F*CK i want

bunch of TWATS

I'm hearing you loud and clear on that score Sparkie....Deffo with you on that one, You took the words out of my mouth

solarman216 · 29-04-2012, 22:09

I said that years ago when it was first muted, Rick (re climate change that is)

briggie · 29-04-2012, 22:26

its quite funny if you read the rest of the site

glanrichbex · 29-04-2012, 22:38

And how am I supposed to comply with towing regulations

- I have a boat on a rated 750Kg unbraked trailer. How many family cars can legally tow that?

I have diving gear in the boot. I carry loads of club kit around - I sometimes have my kids in the back seats as well and towing a 750KG trailer.

Can I make do with a family car - I don't think so !!

(RIP) PLANK · 30-04-2012, 12:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by glanrichbex

And how am I supposed to comply with towing regulations

- I have a boat on a rated 750Kg unbraked trailer. How many family cars can legally tow that?

I have diving gear in the boot. I carry loads of club kit around - I sometimes have my kids in the back seats as well and towing a 750KG trailer.

Can I make do with a family car - I don't think so !!

I often tow 1300k (breaked) with a Berlingo van, and have half a ton in the back

I think the thing is here that we buy and drive what manufacturers make, as the pressure to get 'green' falls on manufacturers 4x4's will become greener and in time we will end up buying them when they reach our price range.

I think this anti 4x4 thing is short sighted to say the least!

makeitfit · 30-04-2012, 12:43

Can't be arsed to give them my think time. Move on

(RIP) PLANK · 30-04-2012, 13:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by makeitfit

Can't be arsed to give them my think time. Move on

well said

Kamsin · 30-04-2012, 14:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by makeitfit

Can't be arsed to give them my think time. Move on

Go on Pete, have a moan back, you know you want to.

spiderpig37 · 30-04-2012, 18:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by makeitfit

Can't be arsed to give them my think time. Move on

well said that man

climate change thought it was supposed to be getting warmer had to cancell camping trip this weekend to Naburn lock at york site is six feet under water

now put that hose pipe away

briggie · 29-04-2012, 22:40

For every criteria used to vilify 4x4s a good many (often the majority) of 4x4s don't feature in the 'worst'. The anti-4x4 brigade say that 4x4s are too heavy but they don't go after heavy cars - just 4x4s; that 4x4s are too thirsty but they don't go after gas guzzlers - just 4x4s; that 4x4s are too high but they don't go after tall cars - just 4x4s. It's the same with every excuse for their hatemongering - they conveniently forget that their criticism doesn't actually apply to many or most 4x4s. But, hey, why let something like the truth get in the way of a good hate campaign!

By all means campaign for better pedestrian impact safety - that would be a valid campaign. However, be aware that you'll take out rather a lot of non-4x4s before even getting half of Berry's Bigots' target. Similarly, it would be valid to campaign against gas guzzlers, but you'll take out a lot of non-4x4s before half of 4x4 models would be affected. Some even claim that 4x4s take up too much road space yet most people would be surprised how small a footprint the majority of 4x4s have. My own car (which is often referred to as a 'full-size' 4x4) fits seven seats into a footprint smaller than that of a Ford Focus Estate while the SWB version has a smaller footprint than a Ford Fiesta.

A 4x4 vehicle is simply a vehicle that has 4 wheels where all can be driven. There are 4x4 variants of all types of 4-wheeled vehicles. 4x4s range from lorries (like the Bedford TM) down to the like of the Fiat Panda 4x4. In amongst that lot are cars like the Subaru Legacy, Volvo S60, and many others you might not think of as 4x4s. Also, some cars that you might presume are 4x4s (e.g. Jeep Patriot 4x2 and Nissan X-Trail 2WD) are not and many that are 4x4s actually spend most of their time as 4x2s.

To go after a car purely on the basis of its transmission system while dressing up the campaign of hate with half-baked hype is just crazy. Despite the facts, the anti-4x4 brigade continue to have a go at the object of their obsessive hatred while completely ignoring non-4x4s that are at least as bad and often worse. They obstinately believe that 4x4s are worse than all other cars and are intolerant of those who own 4x4s; and hence are true bigots* and their campaign of social hatred should have no place in decent society.

*From my dictionary: bigot n. obstinate believer who is intolerant of others. bigoted adj. bigotry n. [French]

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29-04-2012, 21:49	#2
stinka Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Staffs Vehicle: '02 Terrano TDI sport lwb Posts: 3,787	fkn ridiculous, the EU will probably ban them soon anyway

29-04-2012, 21:49	#3
Fez_uk Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Mid-Wales Vehicle: Maverick 2.7 - Patrol 4.2 Posts: 5,645	haha some of those issues are funny. Climate change? Oh yeah because I drive a slightly more polluting vehicle compared to a normal car I have ruined this earth. or it's likely it's our lifestyles, Factories, Jets, Bla bla bla "as an extra bonus, other drivers might occasionally let you pull out ahead of them." Thats not a problem I just "assume" they let me out and barge my way in front of them

29-04-2012, 21:51	#4
stinka Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Staffs Vehicle: '02 Terrano TDI sport lwb Posts: 3,787	climate change is a myth anyway, utter bollox.

29-04-2012, 22:08	#5
SPARKIEDOO Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: cupar scotland Vehicle: terrano II SWB 2.7 (2002) Posts: 431	its my life......i will do & drive what F*CK i want bunch of TWATS

29-04-2012, 22:09	#7
solarman216 Off road maniac Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bexhill on Sea Vehicle: Y60 Patrol Me, 3 ltr Mrs Posts: 17,431	I said that years ago when it was first muted, Rick (re climate change that is)

29-04-2012, 22:26	#8
briggie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: peoples democratic republic of west yorkshire Vehicle: " alice " Posts: 10,473	its quite funny if you read the rest of the site

29-04-2012, 22:38	#9
glanrichbex Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: wales Vehicle: Terrano R20/D4 Posts: 442	And how am I supposed to comply with towing regulations - I have a boat on a rated 750Kg unbraked trailer. How many family cars can legally tow that? I have diving gear in the boot. I carry loads of club kit around - I sometimes have my kids in the back seats as well and towing a 750KG trailer. Can I make do with a family car - I don't think so !!

30-04-2012, 12:43	#11
makeitfit Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: on the beach WEST WALES Vehicle: Maverick TDi BLACK mmm Posts: 15,136	Can't be arsed to give them my think time. Move on

29-04-2012, 22:40	#15
briggie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: peoples democratic republic of west yorkshire Vehicle: " alice " Posts: 10,473	For every criteria used to vilify 4x4s a good many (often the majority) of 4x4s don't feature in the 'worst'. The anti-4x4 brigade say that 4x4s are too heavy but they don't go after heavy cars - just 4x4s; that 4x4s are too thirsty but they don't go after gas guzzlers - just 4x4s; that 4x4s are too high but they don't go after tall cars - just 4x4s. It's the same with every excuse for their hatemongering - they conveniently forget that their criticism doesn't actually apply to many or most 4x4s. But, hey, why let something like the truth get in the way of a good hate campaign! By all means campaign for better pedestrian impact safety - that would be a valid campaign. However, be aware that you'll take out rather a lot of non-4x4s before even getting half of Berry's Bigots' target. Similarly, it would be valid to campaign against gas guzzlers, but you'll take out a lot of non-4x4s before half of 4x4 models would be affected. Some even claim that 4x4s take up too much road space yet most people would be surprised how small a footprint the majority of 4x4s have. My own car (which is often referred to as a 'full-size' 4x4) fits seven seats into a footprint smaller than that of a Ford Focus Estate while the SWB version has a smaller footprint than a Ford Fiesta. A 4x4 vehicle is simply a vehicle that has 4 wheels where all can be driven. There are 4x4 variants of all types of 4-wheeled vehicles. 4x4s range from lorries (like the Bedford TM) down to the like of the Fiat Panda 4x4. In amongst that lot are cars like the Subaru Legacy, Volvo S60, and many others you might not think of as 4x4s. Also, some cars that you might presume are 4x4s (e.g. Jeep Patriot 4x2 and Nissan X-Trail 2WD) are not and many that are 4x4s actually spend most of their time as 4x2s. To go after a car purely on the basis of its transmission system while dressing up the campaign of hate with half-baked hype is just crazy. Despite the facts, the anti-4x4 brigade continue to have a go at the object of their obsessive hatred while completely ignoring non-4x4s that are at least as bad and often worse. They obstinately believe that 4x4s are worse than all other cars and are intolerant of those who own 4x4s; and hence are true bigots* and their campaign of social hatred should have no place in decent society. *From my dictionary: bigot n. obstinate believer who is intolerant of others. bigoted adj. bigotry n. [French]