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Found this guy on ebay, delivers, prices start at 85p a litre just thought i would share it :thumb2:D
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Biodiesel-B100-0-80-Litre-/170543186817?pt=UK_Home_Garden_Hearing_Cooling_Air&hash=item27b52a8381
Deleted account DD
09-10-2010, 16:08
Now that looks interesting. Problem up here is delivery :(
Deleted account DD
09-10-2010, 16:26
Just out of interest does anyone have a link to a decent yes it can no it cant run on bio web page?
if you order this bio make sure it is filtered for use once delivered, some you have let bio settle for some time or else you will have problems, a relative of mine orders a 1000lt a month and it's ready to go. :thumb2
Just out of interest does anyone have a link to a decent yes it can no it cant run on bio web page?
http://www.chelmsfordbiodiesel.co.uk/index.html
Deleted account DD
09-10-2010, 20:16
http://www.chelmsfordbiodiesel.co.uk/index.html
Ta, do they list approved vehicles? I cant see it?
Deleted account DD
09-10-2010, 20:18
if you order this bio make sure it is filtered for use once delivered, some you have let bio settle for some time or else you will have problems, a relative of mine orders a 1000lt a month and it's ready to go. :thumb2
it is very tempting. I'd save a mint on the mileage I do. Reading the ebay listing I get the drift its filtered ready to go? am i missing something??
thats good to know especialy when i live in alfreton:thumbscan't say as i know where they are but i'm sure i could find them and try a couple of drums.
nice find mate:clap
Ta, do they list approved vehicles? I cant see it?
They say it is ok for all vehicles BUT wont confirm it though so i guess try & or introduce, call & ask questions as they are very helpful :thumbs
ive been told to try a drum but get a couple of new fuel filters in becuase the bio will clean alot of the crap that dino leaves in the lines and tank.
its swings and roundabouts really because we are all trying to save money at the pumps but at what cost:nenau
i still blame the svo for killing my old tdi as it ran fine on derv but after a few weeks of running on a 50/50 mix of derv and svo i started to have problems with the injector pump.no hard evidence but i never had probs on derv.or it could be that it was just the pumps time:nenaugot to the point where i was fed up with spending money on a lost cause so i bought another motor as it was the cheaper option.
Deleted account DD
09-10-2010, 20:52
yup, never seen it explained fully but it does seem that a change of fuel shifts the crap. Not being clever, more paranoid i cleaned everything i could when i went down the svo route and it seemed to be ok :cool::thumb2
i used to have a diesel nissan serena and i found out from that if you are going to change to svo,wvo or bio its best to change the fuel filter at same time or things just dont seem to run right
thing that puts me off is that this motor i have got it the one with the zexel fuel pump and so was the other one so i might just stick with me dino deisel until it can be proved otherwise.
just the price per litre is tempting:nenau
well i'm orderin 50 litres on monday got a new fuel filter today ready so i'll let ya know how it runs in mine
snds good thinking about ordering some 100 ltr shud keep me going and im not that far away
makeitfit
09-10-2010, 23:24
Mines the zexel pump and I've been on bio for nearly a year now. 82p a liter the last lot cost and it's brill:cool:
You can use pallet couriers to collect/deliver for about 35 squid:sly(1000ltr IBC)
makeitfit
10-10-2010, 00:37
Here's where we get ours from
http://www.biodiesel-uk.com/
Best to ring him and er discuss your price:naughty
Here's where we get ours from
http://www.biodiesel-uk.com/
Best to ring him and er discuss your price:naughty
:bow :clap :thumbs
did anyone order any bio from this guy? i tried to call and order some and got answer machine, left message but got no reply:nenau
I've tried him & another but no response to answer phone message / text / email so ars holes to em :thumbs
I'll stick to diesel from me boss & svo mix (50/50)
supergnome
19-10-2010, 18:44
I emailed him and got a reply in 48hrs. He says he's busy for about a week so I expect he will get back to me nearer the end of the month. I ordered 100 ltrs. David.
lacroupade
20-10-2010, 09:29
Calm down with the "can my vehicle use biodiesel???" stuff will ya folks?!
If I told you I'd perfected a new way of making biodiesel that involved burying a load of random plant material underground for a long time then extracting the remains and refining them to make diesel, you'd say I was bonkers.....but thats all oil is.....?!
There is no such thing as a list of vehicles that can and can't use biodiesel - to all intents and purposes you treat it exactly the same as diesel, end of. So ANY diesel engine can utilise it.
The ONLY down side with 'home-brewed' bio-diesel, as I've said elsewhere, is that unlike the stuff you buy in a petrol station, which is a mix of 'normal' and bio-diesel, its chock full of the shite chemicals used to 'refine' it....not a problem in normal running except that on first use, it strips all the crap and gunge out of your fuel system and plonks it into your filter which then blocks up.
For the worriers among us, its simple to understand:
BIODIESEL is simply diesel that has been made from an existing bio source - almost any plant oil will do the job (although I've never heard of olive oil being used, maybe its too pricey LOL???) but typically its rapeseed, maize or a similar crop. Homebrewers typically use waste veg oil from the chippie - add the state of that rubbish to the caustic chemicals used and its a big NO THANKS from me!! But it does the job for those prepared to change their filters and take the longer term risk. BIODIESEL, WHEREVER ITS FROM, WORKS IN ALL DIESELS WITHOUT MODIFICATION, REGARDLESS.
The biodiesel that you buy in a mainstream filling station is ABSOLUTELY safe and has no ill-effects. Its typically a 10-20% mix of bio-derived and normal diesel and is very widely sold on the continent as 'normal' diesel (we make a big fuss here and put it in seperate pumps for gods sake!) at much higher ratios where its been used for years. I can tell you from much experience, it runs far better and significantly improves mpg...
VEGETABLE OIL - referred to as SVO, is simply the original bio oil, anything from corn oil, rapeseed oil to sunflower oil. ONLY SOME VEHICLES WITH OLDER DIESEL TECHNOLOGY AND CERTAIN TYPES OF FUEL PUMP CAN RUN ON IT SUCCESSFULLY WITHOUT MODIFICATION. The Terrano 2.7 is one such vehicle. OTHER VEHICLES CAN RUN ON IT WITH MODIFICATION, SUCH AS A TWO-TANK SYSTEM. I believe the Patrol is one?
Its no more difficult or complicated than that.
If anyone with a Terrano (Bosch fuel pump preferred) wants to try, wait til you have about quarter of a tank of diesel in your car, then tip in a couple of 2-litre bottles of cheap Tesco vegetable oil and see what happens. Apart from a slightly quieter engine and a nice smell at the back, the answer is NOTHING.
Hope that helps.....
Deleted account DD
20-10-2010, 20:36
There is no such thing as a list of vehicles that can and can't use biodiesel - to all intents and purposes you treat it exactly the same as diesel, end of. So ANY diesel engine can utilise it.
That'll be why I cant find a list then !! :D
Theres always at least one exception to prove the rule about running it;)
We run a significant fleet of focus diesels. Probably 100+ in use at any point during the day. Our instructions were quite clear , cheapest fuel to be used, that happened throughout the county to be bio.
Across the fleet, particularly the higher mileage ones various problems with running and reliability started kicking in. After various trips to the garage and consultation with Ford ( so I m told ) the conclusion was deterioration of seals in the fuel system was one of the common problems.
The instruction went out for whatever reason not to put bio in at any cost and the problems dropped off ;) we were probably a good test sample with stock but well used cars of various ages and mileages. Without chuntering on about it circumstantially & practically the bio was the only real common denominator.
I dont know much more about it than that but its a fact , it happened about two years ago if I recall.
One main theory was the methanol or whatever else it is in the stuff hadnt been boiled out properly or whatever the hell they do with it :nenau:nenau:nenau probably more likely our customers pissing in the tanks :augie
The only other thing I wonder about bio is why on some forecourt pumps it has a warning to check it is suitable for the car youre putting it into :nenau I really cant see any manf or any garage putting a warning out that could prevent a sale.............so what that about then :confused:
That'll be why I cant find a list then !! :D
Theres always at least one exception to prove the rule about running it;)
We run a significant fleet of focus diesels. Probably 100+ in use at any point during the day. Our instructions were quite clear , cheapest fuel to be used, that happened throughout the county to be bio.
Across the fleet, particularly the higher mileage ones various problems with running and reliability started kicking in. After various trips to the garage and consultation with Ford ( so I m told ) the conclusion was deterioration of seals in the fuel system was one of the common problems.
The instruction went out for whatever reason not to put bio in at any cost and the problems dropped off ;) we were probably a good test sample with stock but well used cars of various ages and mileages. Without chuntering on about it circumstantially & practically the bio was the only real common denominator.
I dont know much more about it than that but its a fact , it happened about two years ago if I recall.
One main theory was the methanol or whatever else it is int he stuff hadnt been boiled out properly or whatever the hell they do with it :nenau:nenau:nenau probably more likely our customers pissing in the tanks :augie
The only other thing I wonder about bio is why on some forecourt pumps it has a warning to check it is suitable for the car youre putting it into :nenau I really cant see any manf or any garage putting a warning out that could prevent a sale.............so what that about then :confused:
I'm worried :rolleyes: we starting to agree on things :eek: :augie :lol
Think what you've both said is right :thumbs
The thing is with Bio Diesel / Fuel however it's worded by the seller, from speaking to my local at Stock in Essex http://www.chelmsfordbiodiesel.co.uk/index.html he said he no longer makes it himself as it cost's to much & take's to long to produce...
His now selling it at £1.02 a litre :eek: & that apparently is down to the quality of the Bio...
He said there's a lot of crap out there that WILL KILL FUEL SYSTEMS & ENGINES & he may be forced to close shop or start doing it himself again & bring the price back down to what it should be...
Told him about my disaster & he said it was probably a build up & coincidence & all happened in 1 hit :(
He said that when he made it himself, it was no more than 50% oil & the rest was chemical...
If i can get more info i will :thumbs
lacroupade
20-10-2010, 21:43
That'll be why I cant find a list then !! :D
Theres always at least one exception to prove the rule about running it;)
We run a significant fleet of focus diesels. Probably 100+ in use at any point during the day. Our instructions were quite clear , cheapest fuel to be used, that happened throughout the county to be bio.
Across the fleet, particularly the higher mileage ones various problems with running and reliability started kicking in. After various trips to the garage and consultation with Ford ( so I m told ) the conclusion was deterioration of seals in the fuel system was one of the common problems.
The instruction went out for whatever reason not to put bio in at any cost and the problems dropped off ;) we were probably a good test sample with stock but well used cars of various ages and mileages. Without chuntering on about it circumstantially & practically the bio was the only real common denominator.
I dont know much more about it than that but its a fact , it happened about two years ago if I recall.
One main theory was the methanol or whatever else it is in the stuff hadnt been boiled out properly or whatever the hell they do with it :nenau:nenau:nenau probably more likely our customers pissing in the tanks :augie
The only other thing I wonder about bio is why on some forecourt pumps it has a warning to check it is suitable for the car youre putting it into :nenau I really cant see any manf or any garage putting a warning out that could prevent a sale.............so what that about then :confused:
I can only point to the continent, where they have been using biodiesel for far far longer and far more intensively than us, to the extent that it isn't even labelled as such any more in garages - users simply accept that they are usually getting at last 30% bio in their diesel, and like I said, it runs ten times better than UK diesel and they don't have problems, even on the very latest machinery.
I strongly suspect your fleet might have been running B100 (100% biodiesel) because the usual B5-B20 (5%-20% mixes) that you get in the UK aren't known for causing problems that I know of - when I talk about biodiesel its these mixes I'm on about, not pure 100%. Also its only in the last few years that the manufacturers have cottoned on and started fitting the right quality fuel seals in ehicles to prevent any such problems altogether. Older vehicles may well have seal problems with high concentrations.
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