2 Stroke Oil in your Diesel

[patbhoy]

I was reading a thread on another 4x4 forum (I wont mention its name, its against the rules).
It was regarding adding two stroke oil to your fuel (diesel), its claimed that it has the same effect as more expensive fuel additives.
Owners who have tried it claim that the most noticable difference was on how quiet there truck was running, others said their trucks produced less smoke and it also improved but only slightly their fuel consumption and performance.
It also helps to lubricate your fuel pump and injectors due to the removal of sulphur by the fuel manufacturers.
Has anyone here heard of this or better still tried it and if so would you recommend it.

[makeitfit]

I've not tried 2 stroke oil but do run veggy or bio fuel.
The engine is certainly quieter than when on diesel.
Extra mpg is bound to be placebo effect, you just feel better so chill a bit on the loud pedal:)

[zippy656]

you tryed veggie boost?

[patbhoy]

Have thought about svo but think its almost as dear to buy as diesel so dont really see the point.

[makeitfit]

It needs to be below 80p for me to buy it as I'm running on Bio at the mo:D
Price for the last lot has gone up a lot :o now paying 82.5p a litre :naughty Considerably less than 1.20 at the pumps doh
Love it :lol
Makro and Booker usually around 85p a litre I think.

[zippy656]

i get all my svo at 76p ltr..
at bookers

[makeitfit]

i get all my svo at 76p ltr..
at bookers

Good job Zippy I'll check my local one again:sly
By the way, do you know anything about 2 stroke oil :nenau

[macabethiel]

I was reading a thread on another 4x4 forum (I wont mention its name, its against the rules).
It was regarding adding two stroke oil to your fuel (diesel), its claimed that it has the same effect as more expensive fuel additives.
Owners who have tried it claim that the most noticable difference was on how quiet there truck was running, others said their trucks produced less smoke and it also improved but only slightly their fuel consumption and performance.
It also helps to lubricate your fuel pump and injectors due to the removal of sulphur by the fuel manufacturers.
Has anyone here heard of this or better still tried it and if so would you recommend it.

I use two stroke oil in my R3mR with regular diesel I add 1 Litre per tankful of fuel using the cheapest oil I can get from Wilko or Morrissons. The slight increase in mpg 2-3 mpg helps pay for the oil.
I think the slight increase in mpg is down to the raising of compression due to better piston ring lubrication etc. Definitely quiter and starts better most noticeably in winter. Used to use it in all my cars over the last 40 years just stopped when cats became standard.

A mate of mine recommended it to me (an Industrial Chemist) he used to work for Lubrizol Internation Labs and now works in a very specialised oil additative environment.

[Darwin]

and now works in a very specialised oil additative environment.

Oilboy at the local Mens Club ? ( I was gonna post a pic but someone's bound to cop the hump

[Terranical]

Does that mean it's not advisable if the car has a cat?

[11redrex]

I put 2 stroke oil, petrol and diesel redex, degreaser, meths, parrafin, and all sorts of other sh*te in mine.
Redex is the favourite coz it turns the SVO red then the fitter at work thinks I'm nicking the red diesel and gets the hump. I like giving him the hump because he's a pratt. He's a pratt because he was going to put GL4 oil in my diffs. Pratt.

[makeitfit]

I was gonna post a pic but someone's bound to cop the hump
Dont be shy, PM it me and I'll make sure it's checked before posting :lol

[patbhoy]

[QUOTE= ( I was gonna post a pic but someone's bound to cop the hump[/QUOTE]

Get over it

[zippy656]

Good job Zippy I'll check my local one again:sly
By the way, do you know anything about 2 stroke oil :nenau


i know loads mate.. NOTHING about 2 stroke oil though!

[zippy656]

Redex is the favourite coz it turns the SVO red


what happends if you get your tank diped then??

[solarman216]

what happends if you get your tank diped then??

It is not as simple as that, the red dye is only a part of it, there is a chemical that is added that cannot be removed, and I mean cannot be removed, if you have a tank that had red derv in it 20 years ago but has had road going derv in it since for 20 years and it was tested then the red derv will show up, Rick

[zippy656]

oooh clever

[patbhoy]

you tryed veggie boost?

I read plenty on Terrano's running svo but never Patrol's, how do you know if its safe and wont do any damage.
Would'nt mind giving it a go but i'm apprehensive.

[zippy656]

pop over to here...
might find your answer

http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/forum/misc.php?action=login

[11redrex]

I read plenty on Terrano's running svo but never Patrol's, how do you know if its safe and wont do any damage.
Would'nt mind giving it a go but i'm apprehensive.


put some in your tank and find out. Read the warnings on that other site first though.

[zippy656]

i found there theres a patrol running 95%oil 5%rug..

[patbhoy]

i found there theres a patrol running 95%oil 5%rug..

Found that one, its biodiesel he is running and not svo.

[Adz]

The worst it will do is shag ya pump i'd of thought...

Just try 5 ltrs & slowly increase...

Can always add a small amount of petrol to thin it...

[patbhoy]

I've doing my sums and reckon with the low mileage i do, i would only save around £200 a year.
Dont feel its really worth the hassle, think i'll stick with diesel.

[Adz]

Wise choice if its not clear on possible damage :thumbs

[patbhoy]

Wise choice if its not clear on possible damage :thumbs

I think I will give the 2 stroke as an additive a go, I've read no bad reports on that and your only mixing 200ml per tank of diesel.

[Deleted account DD]

Interesting this alternative fuel business.

Id like to clear up a couple of points though.

The dye for red diesel is added at the distribution centre. It is just that, dye. its not got any magic properties nor does it cause any reactions in an engine and if it is topped up with non red it will gradually dilute and disappear to the point where it cannot be detected by dipping. Thats straight from the horses mouth.
Checked up on it some time ago.

Also it is technically/chemically very easy to remove the dye. Labour wise its heavy going and the potential for contaminants getting into your engine very high. Diesel washing plants are getting (or certainly used to be) busted all the time :thumb2

[briggie]

Interesting this alternative fuel business.

Id like to clear up a couple of points though.

The dye for red diesel is added at the distribution centre. It is just that, dye. its not got any magic properties nor does it cause any reactions in an engine and if it is topped up with non red it will gradually dilute and disappear to the point where it cannot be detected by dipping. Thats straight from the horses mouth.
Checked up on it some time ago.

Also it is technically/chemically very easy to remove the dye. Labour wise its heavy going and the potential for contaminants getting into your engine very high. Diesel washing plants are getting (or certainly used to be) busted all the time :thumb2

isnt they dye green in ireland ? . im sure i read that somewhere , or was someone extracting the urine ?

[patbhoy]

isnt they dye green in ireland ? . im sure i read that somewhere , or was someone extracting the urine ?

Dont you tink it would be this colour begorra:lol

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc214/pat7261/guinness.jpg

[wildbri]

I have been putting two stroke oil in my tank for some time, I have posted on here about it. Whether it has made any difference I cannot say. I have been using a sunflower oil mix ( 83p l
from ASDA) making the vehicle abit lumpy on start up but running ok. Put some in the fridge and then the freezer, fridge oil ok but the freezer oil turned to the texture of margarine but the its very cold in there as expected. regards bri

[rayf3262]

As rick says, Red diesel, its not just a colour thing, there is a chemical marker; Quinizarin which is easy for Customs & Excise to test for whatever the colour of the fuel!

[Deleted account DD]

As rick says, Red diesel, its not just a colour thing, there is a chemical marker; Quinizarin which is easy for Customs & Excise to test for whatever the colour of the fuel!

Correct (had no idea what the chemical name is)but it does not remain in the system visible for dipping. It effectively gets flushed out and as far as dipping is concerned it never existed. It is also pretty easily removed by certain readily available chemicals ;)

Theres so much bullshit and myth out there about everything from permanent marking through to radioactive isotopes that cling to the internal metal work.

I asked the hypothetical question of what happens if I buy a vehicle thats been ran on red then take it back on the road on legit fuel. The answer is quite simply that after a fairly short throughput of diesel (not going to tell you exactly how much cos Ive got this from the right side of the fence ;) ) the red never existed.

[makeitfit]

They do dipping round here boss, and not just the sheep :eek:
I've personaly donated my time for a dip in a laybye :o
Grrrr, jobs worths :doh

[solarman216]

Correct (had no idea what the chemical name is)but it does not remain in the system visible for dipping. It effectively gets flushed out and as far as dipping is concerned it never existed. It is also pretty easily removed by certain readily available chemicals ;)

Theres so much bullshit and myth out there about everything from permanent marking through to radioactive isotopes that cling to the internal metal work.

I asked the hypothetical question of what happens if I buy a vehicle thats been ran on red then take it back on the road on legit fuel. The answer is quite simply that after a fairly short throughput of diesel (not going to tell you exactly how much cos Ive got this from the right side of the fence ;) ) the red never existed.

I see where you are coming from, and tend to agree, but I had until recently a canal narrow boat, and we ran on red, then the powers that be decided that we could not use it any more, there were very lengthy discusions in the waterways press and the concensuse of opion was that if the boat yards etc had to dispence "white" then they would have to change their tanks and pumps for new as once "red" had been in the tanks it would be detectable, this clearly was not an option so now we have a situation where "red" is sold at "white" price on the waterways, Rick

[rayf3262]

I see where you are coming from, and tend to agree, but I had until recently a canal narrow boat, and we ran on red, then the powers that be decided that we could not use it any more, there were very lengthy discusions in the waterways press and the concensuse of opion was that if the boat yards etc had to dispence "white" then they would have to change their tanks and pumps for new as once "red" had been in the tanks it would be detectable, this clearly was not an option so now we have a situation where "red" is sold at "white" price on the waterways, Rick
yes, all true but you "self declare" what is used for propulsion vs. what is used for heating, power generation etc....

[Derek]

if uve just brought a car thats had red in say 15ltr and then the new owner fills it up with 65ltr ov white surely they carnt do you as your new owner and wasnt to know mores to the point unless your a mechanic how many ov us would check wots in our tanks wen we buy our cars !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[zippy656]

best go to them and point it out..

other wise best change tanks

[Deleted account DD]

I see where you are coming from, and tend to agree, but I had until recently a canal narrow boat, and we ran on red, then the powers that be decided that we could not use it any more, there were very lengthy discusions in the waterways press and the concensuse of opion was that if the boat yards etc had to dispence "white" then they would have to change their tanks and pumps for new as once "red" had been in the tanks it would be detectable, this clearly was not an option so now we have a situation where "red" is sold at "white" price on the waterways, Rick

Cant see that swap as a problem at all in any way shape or form. You have an instant unambiguous and clear defence to the tank showing red. However they MAY have you by the goolies down the line because all they have to do is look at the shade of red compared to the engine running hours. ie no or zero hours since switch over, no problem red being present. 500 hours and unlikely it would still be "bright" red due to throughput and dilution.

Concensus of opinion is fine but it sounds like pump and tank suppliers would make a few bob out of that nifty piece of scaremongering ;)

My comments on enforcement are based entirely (well almost) on info from the individuals carrying doing just that for HMRC at the roadside. We play nicely together regularly. We have to living in one of the busiest chemical industry areas (including petrochemicals) in the country ;)

[Deleted account DD]

best go to them and point it out..

other wise best change tanks


http://walker4mp.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/mainwaring.jpg

read my post before the panic sets in and you start changing tanks and other bollocks :doh

[Deleted account DD]

if uve just brought a car thats had red in say 15ltr and then the new owner fills it up with 65ltr ov white surely they carnt do you as your new owner and wasnt to know mores to the point unless your a mechanic how many ov us would check wots in our tanks wen we buy our cars !!!!!!!!!!!!!

The circumstances of how it is dealt with is at the discretion of the enforcement officer. If the circumstances arise you have described, say as youre driving it back from the auction, other checks are available through via dvla to mention just one.

Its a classic case of if youve not got anything to hide and have completed the paperwork as youre supposed to it may just cover your butt ;):thumbs

[briggie]

im guessing the same rules apply if your caught using green diesel in the uk ?

[briggie]

can you use parrafin in a diesel car ? :nenau . cos a place near me sells it at £1 a litre ..... and is it legal ?

[briggie]

can you use parrafin in a diesel car ? :nenau . cos a place near me sells it at £1 a litre ..... and is it legal ?

parrafin / kerosene ? ..... or was it a stupid question ?

[Deleted account DD]

can you use parrafin in a diesel car ? :nenau . cos a place near me sells it at £1 a litre ..... and is it legal ?

probably work but the cost saving easily negated when they take your car off you ;)

[briggie]

probably work but the cost saving easily negated when they take your car off you ;)

perhaps if i explained i was using it for heating purposes , ie ... putting the heater on in the car .... obviously id have to run the engine :augie:augie:lol:lol

[kbekl]

ii dont think it makes it illegal due to the fact that you are paying tax on where as on green and red you dont iirc

same as svo etc you just have to declare it

[Jocky]

I read plenty on Terrano's running svo but never Patrol's, how do you know if its safe and wont do any damage.
Would'nt mind giving it a go but i'm apprehensive.

DO NOT USE SVO in a Patrol or you will kill the pump and injectors. Its a more modern engine that whats in a T2.

I've been using 2 stroke in my Patrol for over a year and it does make the engine quieter, don't notice any change in MPG, but anything that protects the pump must be good, sulphur is a high pressure lubricant, so less sulphur means pump scoring in my eyes.

I've read the forum that you are taking about and they know their Patrols:thumbs

[patbhoy]

DO NOT USE SVO in a Patrol or you will kill the pump and injectors. Its a more modern engine that whats in a T2.

I've been using 2 stroke in my Patrol for over a year and it does make the engine quieter, don't notice any change in MPG, but anything that protects the pump must be good, sulphur is a high pressure lubricant, so less sulphur means pump scoring in my eyes.

I've read the forum that you are taking about and they know their Patrols:thumbs

Thanks Jocky, having not read any positive threads on the use of svo in Patrols I decided not to try, also the fact that even if I could use it the saving would have only been around £200 in a year, not really worth the hassle for such a small amount.
I purchased some two stroke oil today and i'm going to give that a try, what ratio do you recommend, i was going to add 100ml to 40L of diesel, would that be about right.

[extreme-4x4]

The circumstances of how it is dealt with is at the discretion of the enforcement officer. If the circumstances arise you have described, say as youre driving it back from the auction, other checks are available through via dvla to mention just one.

Its a classic case of if youve not got anything to hide and have completed the paperwork as youre supposed to it may just cover your butt ;):thumbs


being so rural here. "a local friend" stores 3 x 25 litre drums of kerosene for use in his boiler , his emergency supply for when his 1,000 litre tank runs out.
and his 2 x 25 litre drums of road / duty paid diesel.

he keeps all this in his outside boiler room, where its safe. having acquired a spill tray from a site that had closed down ....

anyway i swear the stupid arse is putting white deisel in his boiler sometimes, when he forgets which one is which

[Jocky]

Thanks Jocky, having not read any positive threads on the use of svo in Patrols I decided not to try, also the fact that even if I could use it the saving would have only been around £200 in a year, not really worth the hassle for such a small amount.
I purchased some two stroke oil today and i'm going to give that a try, what ratio do you recommend, i was going to add 100ml to 40L of diesel, would that be about right.

Thats about right. I started with 200mls for the first couple 40ltr fill ups then dropped it back to 100mls

One thing to remember is do not use fully synthetic 2 stroke as it doesn't mix with the DERV. I'm sure you've read that and it costs too much anyway:thumbs

[patbhoy]

Finally i've got round to giving this 2 stroke thing a go, I added 100ml of 2 stroke oil topped up with 40L of diesel to my tank and have to say the improvement was instant.
My truck definately runs quieter, smoother is more responsive and there is absolutely no smoke on acceleration.
I took it on a 50mile trip and although it should not really make much difference on mpg my fuel gauge never moved.
So far all the signs are positive, and I would recommend to anyone to give it a try.:thumbs

[Jocky]

Good:thumb2

How many miles is on the clock?

[patbhoy]

Good:thumb2

How many miles is on the clock?

Just coming up for 86k

[Jocky]

Not even run in yet:lol

Mines is 115k