Job Dilemma...

[Adz]

Right :rolleyes:

I'm totally peed off with my job http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif
I have no debt / house or anything to worry about :D
The MAIN reason is the CSA FLEECING me http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif
Doing 75 hours a week & nothing to show for it http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif

Anyway :augie

Option 1 :
Stick at it & be depressed & moody :(

Option 2 :
Get sacked & claim :nenau (never been on the dole & dont want to http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif )

Option 3 :
Jack in, buy my stamp every week, do at least 1 full car valet a week, sign on with a employment agency & do the odd day here & there & start breaking 4x4's

[clivvy]

in your position, id quit the shitty job and do what i want to do. dont get sacked though, ive never signed on myself, but doesnt that screw up your claim??

actually, you appear to be in a great position, i hope you make a wise decision and things go in a more positive direction, good luck!

[makeitfit]

Go with the flow and option 3 is the answer :cool:

[Adz]

in your position, id quit the shitty job and do what i want to do. dont get sacked though, ive never signed on myself, but doesnt that screw up your claim??

actually, you appear to be in a great position, i hope you make a wise decision and things go in a more positive direction, good luck!


:thumbs

Not exact figures but to give you an idea financially :rolleyes: http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif

I'm paid fortnightly by chq

Say i gross £1300 in the fortnight

Tax & Insurance take it down to £1000

Then the CSA take £300 :eek: http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif

Then deduct diesel / svo / bio £120

Food £200 (being a lorry driver & doing bloody service stations or London its not cheap http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif )

Chip in with rent for me mum & dad upto £300

Doesnt leave much for the hours worked :( http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif



I will say that she left me & the cash DEFINATELY doesnt go on my kids

[11redrex]

I vote 3, do what makes you happy.

[tezzer]

got to be number 3 mate. :thumb2

[extreme-4x4]

:thumbs

Not exact figures but to give you an idea financially :rolleyes: http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif

I'm paid fortnightly by chq

Say i gross £1300 in the fortnight thats around 2,800 a month

Tax & Insurance take it down to £1000

Then the CSA take £300 :eek: http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif = 600 a month - 2 kids is 20% changing soon in your favor

Then deduct diesel / svo / bio £120 a lot of juice but i can see it

Food £200 (being a lorry driver & doing bloody service stations or London its not cheap http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif )= thats around 450 a month a lot of food

Chip in with rent for me mum & dad upto £300 thats 650 a month ??

Doesnt leave much for the hours worked :( http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif



I will say that she left me & the cash DEFINATELY doesnt go on my kids
ok lets look at the figures. highlighted

id say you need to cut your hours and stop spending so much. i cant see you will save with the csa they wont let go. but you can cut your hours and go for re assessment based on your new hours . then once you get it . put your hours up... they only chase and assess if your ex requests it . so dont be flush around her.

cant see optoin 3 working unless you change your lifestyle and give mum less . and christ thats a lot of food - whats wrong with a packed lunch

other thoughts are ! you need to do budget plans , seak advise from people in the know , and i know i keep saying it stop spending on stuff you dont need (packed lunches) or you will never get ahead of the game.

sounds crap, you wont like it . but its true ... you need to learn to play the system . always here if you need a chat or help

[extreme-4x4]

oh and another thought if your new mrs has kids you get reduction in your csa payments. now jo moved in im entitled to 25% reduction for over 3 kids . but im not rocking the boat .

[BigBlack]

Could you not cut down your hours and do valets / breaking as a side line?

Also does your employer not provide you with expenses to buy food?

On the fuel front... you drive a HGV... buy yourself a lengh of hose pipe and siphon a couple of gallons out!!! :lol :lol :lol ... might lead to option 2 though!!!! :D

[makeitfit]

Sounds like you should be self employed mate. Then you could at least claim back against tax your fuel and food etc.:cool:
You'll also be amazed at all the other er er expenses that a self employed chap has to claim for :naughty

[danielj]

I wouldn't be one to advise you but would only suggest that doing 75 hours per week seems heavy and bound to take a toll especially if there is ltttle to show for it at the end of the day. Do long hours myself. Would love to be doing something different with more time for myself and family but have committments and not too many options open at the present that allow me to meet my committments so staying with it and doing the best I can with the job and family and not thinking too much about the maybe's or what if's but keeping any eye out for opportunities.
On option 3 maybe you could become a 4x4 breaker in the South of Ireland and look for crazy prices for bits and pieces like some of them here and you might do very well.

[macabethiel]

If you see your kids then its a difficult choice.

If you don't and are under 30 I would sod off and work abroad somewhere warm unless you are in a new relationship.

I worked in Germany back in 1969 before we were in the EEC and enjoyed the experience. Did a stint working on a private yacht before that in 1967 and whilst in Gibralter turned down the chance of working on a yacht heading for Australia - always regretted not jumping ship!.

Now I am older I would stay put as most of my friends who have gone for a change just seemed to take their troubles with them and end up isolated in a strange place. Its at times like these that you need to count your blessings as my late Father used to say.

Are you in good health ?
Still have the limbs you were born with?
Not hungry ?
Have at least one good friend ?

Then it just sounds as if you need to change your priorities and put yourself first, cut down the hours and get the CSA payments reduced and be good to yourself - do more of what you enjoy !

Simples
(not really but you have done the hard bit in identifying the issues)

[Adz]

The rent to my mum was agreed prior to the CSA steeling my money http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif
Tried packed lunch & it doesn't work, only lorry drivers understand that :(
Its not like a factory when 1 o'clock comes eat ya packed lunch :rolleyes:
You eat on your break or once your parked for the night :cool:
The pay is by the hour so the more i work the more i earn & vice-a-verser...

My lill 1's are Jay 5 & Fay 4 & i have fortnightly weekend access.
The court order is for my parents to collect & drop off.
I don't want to for my kids sake go near her after all she has put them & me through plus close friends & family.

To name but a few...

RAPE.! :eek: NOT ONCE :eek: BUT TWICE :eek: & YES 2 CHILDREN CAME FROM IT
http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif How twisted & sick is that http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif While that was going on i wasn't aloud to see them & all 4 of us had to have DNA Tests :eek: http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif
I was obviously innocent & she was done for wasting police time :clap
Thats just 1 of many nasty tricks shes tried http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif
The kids are defiantly getting mentally abused & Fay possibly sexually abused but although the police / social (who i have NO faith in) / the school & CAF CAS know, they cant seem to get evidence http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif

Are they waiting for another Baby P :eek: http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif :(

& as for the CSA, my solicitor & local PM have had no joy in 9 months regarding my case. They wont budge on what there taking nor will they give a breakdown of when from & why.?
The 1st i knew is when my boss told me :eek:
I called them that day & have had no contact since :nenau
There a law to them selves & must be responsible for weaker parents doing silly things :( :( :( http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif

I will more than likely jack in at the end of the year, sign on with an employment agency & do 1 day a week only.
That takes care of the Tax & CSA :naughty
Then buy my stamp & do valeting & 4x4 breaking :augie :sly

[Deleted account DD]

Option 3, you must keep working at something.

I'm proud of the fact that in my working life (between finishing 6th form and to date) I have been unemployed for precisely one month and that was through being laid off and I spent that month on the looking for jobs treadmill.

I just cannot conceive jacking things in to deliberately live off the state and I intensely dislike people who do that. The dole is a crutch for when things go wrong not a lifestyle choice.

Having said that Ive always voted with my feet when Ive been unhappy somewhere.

You must maintain some self pride, I'd suggest the reason youre asking this is because you want to

Good luck :thumb2:thumb2

[Freebird]

Do what you want to do mate, then you start to feel a whole lot better, it has already been said, do not get the sack as your benefits will be affected. When i had trouble with the csa i dropped out of the system, sold everything and did my own thing. My kids could not understand why i was doing this, but as they got older my son thought i did the right thing, i suppose it made MY small family a closer one. Any how mate whatever you decide, good luck.

[Adz]

I'll just have to see how much i can try & save to get a small cushion.
Just so glad that i don't own a house & all i have on paper is Dirty Frog :rolleyes:
But i think option 3 is the most likely ;)

[wildbri]

must be 3, I have never done a job I disliked except for my apprenticeship for which I was tied for five years, do some thing you like doing and maybe enjoy. You will earn less money but you will be happier and in a better frame of mind, If you are working at some thing you enjoy you will find that you look forward to your sandwich an apple and yoghurt for lunch and you will be healthier as well as saving money. I have never worked overtime either there is more to life than work, the more you earn the more you spend but not always on the right things.
Regards bri

[extreme-4x4]

why not cut your hours for a month or 2 and get re assessed with csa. its simples. that means the bitch gets less at least.

self employed is a no no . soon they are changing from 20% of net income to 14% off gross income.

adz you can buy anything you can buy in a garage at tesco. just take your own and keep outa the garages. simples


anyway your out goings are way too high to be doing 1 vallet a week, so re negotiate your outgoings.

work the system...

[Adz]

must be 3, I have never done a job I disliked except for my apprenticeship for which I was tied for five years, do some thing you like doing and maybe enjoy. You will earn less money but you will be happier and in a better frame of mind, If you are working at some thing you enjoy you will find that you look forward to your sandwich an apple and yoghurt for lunch and you will be healthier as well as saving money. I have never worked overtime either there is more to life than work, the more you earn the more you spend but not always on the right things.
Regards bri


:bow :thumbs :clap

[Adz]

why not cut your hours for a month or 2 and get re assessed with csa. its simples. that means the bitch gets less at least.

self employed is a no no . soon they are changing from 20% of net income to 14% off gross income.

adz you can buy anything you can buy in a garage at tesco. just take your own and keep outa the garages. simples


anyway your out goings are way too high to be doing 1 vallet a week, so re negotiate your outgoings.

work the system...

I cant do less hours as thats not how general haulage works otherwise i'd work 9 - 5 :D

If you can contact & speak to the CSA then youve got further than me, my mum, my solicitor & my local MP.!

[extreme-4x4]

go down there if they wont speak to you. or stop paying and they will phone you very quickly

i like option 3 honest. BUT your outgoings are too high, rent ,fuel, tesco shopping,

so even if you loose the csa, and the service station lunches if you loose your job.... you still need big money to meet your commitments.


budget plans are what you need to be doing and fast if your thinking of a new lifestyle... its no good chucking your job in until you know AND ARE VERY SURE you can survive without it. hey come to wales i'll join you breaking trucks .

[Adz]

go down there if they wont speak to you. or stop paying and they will phone you very quickly

I'd go down there but it could be at Southampton, Wrexham or Newcastle http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif :doh as they keep moving my case :nenau
If my boss doesnt pay, he gets fined 2k :eek: http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif

i like option 3 honest. BUT your outgoings are too high, rent ,fuel, tesco shopping,

so even if you loose the csa, and the service station lunches if you loose your job.... you still need big money to meet your commitments.

The £300 is my only commitment to me mum n dad but from the 11th October there'll both be ok as there'll both be retired & on pensions :D


budget plans are what you need to be doing and fast if your thinking of a new lifestyle... its no good chucking your job in until you know AND ARE VERY SURE you can survive without it. hey come to wales i'll join you breaking trucks .


I just might take you up on that :thumbs

[extreme-4x4]

hastings office will sort it for you.

[solarman216]

I have worked in the Hasting CSA building (on their drains re smells in the offices) and have been there when staff talk to customers (you) on the phone and seen the looks on their faces, when clearly the person on the line is trying to describe the difficulty they are having, well I could have smacked em round the head for the smirks and inappropriate sign language that was being tossed from one operator to another, they were treating the whole thing as a laugh, addmitedly this was 4 or 5 years ago but I have chanced to work (privately) for several people who work there, and they are now off my customer list, their whole attitude is out of order, they tried to treat me as a nothing because they worked for the CSA , sorry if in future if their plumbing pisses water every where, I wont be going to sort it out, Rick

[Adz]

:lol :clap :thumbs

[extreme-4x4]

im lucky i guess. i work 3-4 days a week on minimum wage in my new job, now i live back in wales:augie

massive fuel bills too:nenau

[churpychappy]

sorry had to say something:confused:not retired yet,csa had all that, son now 26,dauter now teacher,at school i was just thick,now she says its got a name,she tort me the spell checer well nearly works bit more work maybe:nenau was chippy did well for few years,got aaonther job ok trying for another hope iget it:clap not rich other things gone wrong whats torets been told i mite have it? bas---d s---t,at the end of the day ester says THATS LIFE lets just live it be happy,do your best and sod the rest:thumb2my mums dead now but she used to say thay can take my cloths,money,but thay will never get me,god bless her and good night 6 till 2 bye

[kbekl]

we have dealings with csa for our eldest daughter we havnt recived a payment from them since on and off since 2005 and to be fair we never got all the money that was paid to them more like half tbh he was supposed to pay £65 and we got about £38 out of it

my advise would be to cut dealings with the csa and go a different route via direct bank transfers (so their is a paper trail) that means you are not lining their pockets to ignore you although we never really had much trouble with them when their has been a need to call, i think if you have the children you can opt to sort the childrens needs out and deduct it from the payment

i would opt for option 3 long term would be better on you

[briggie]

gotta be option 1 , but look for another job or opportunity while still working , at least you have a guaranteed income while searching

[Adz]

Well I'm defiantly gonna jack in :cool: Just got to choose the right time :rolleyes:

[zippy656]

just after pay day..

[Adz]

What makes it hard to jack in is that me boss & i get on well :(

[Deleted account DD]

What makes it hard to jack in is that me boss & i get on well :(

Makes no difference. Its very rare a bussiness folds because one employee leaves, that applies to most of us.

If he's a mate you'll see him again, if he's a boss/work colleague and you've got nothing else in common you may never see him again you've simply moved on.

You'll find with ex colleagues that if you meet up with them after youve left, some you'll be bored shitless talking to because theyre living in the past and all they talk about is how things were (as opposed to interesting or amusing anecdotes) whereas with others you'll have a brief "hows so and so" or " hows work" then bin that and go onto the serious business of beer and errr beer.

:thumb2

[The Patrolman]

Makes no difference. Its very rare a bussiness folds because one employee leaves, that applies to most of us.

If he's a mate you'll see him again, if he's a boss/work colleague and you've got nothing else in common you may never see him again you've simply moved on.

You'll find with ex colleagues that if you meet up with them after youve left, some you'll be bored shitless talking to because theyre living in the past and all they talk about is how things were (as opposed to interesting or amusing anecdotes) whereas with others you'll have a brief "hows so and so" or " hows work" then bin that and go onto the serious business of beer and errr beer.

:thumb2

:thumb2 So True :thumb2

[11redrex]

What makes it hard to jack in is that me boss & i get on well :(

Talk to him about it, tell him it's stressing you out but you don't want to leave him in the lurch. You never know, he might come up with a solution that suits you both.

[BigBlack]

Talk to him about it, tell him it's stressing you out but you don't want to leave him in the lurch. You never know, he might come up with a solution that suits you both.


Id second that... worth a try :nenau If you do leave still a chance in the future you could go back if need be?

[Adz]

Umm, its because its a small family run haulage company but established & treats me like a son in some ways that i dont know how or when to tell him :(

Its the CSA that has caused all this really as before, the more i worked the more i earnt where as now http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif they just fleece me & i'm left with very little if anything http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif

[briggie]

Umm, its because its a small family run haulage company but established & treats me like a son in some ways that i dont know how or when to tell him :(

Its the CSA that has caused all this really as before, the more i worked the more i earnt where as now http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif they just fleece me & i'm left with very little if anything http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif

suggest he pays you overtime as cash in hand ? :nenau

[zippy656]

i used to get payed over time in goods. so if i wanted a new cooker hes get me that, or new flooring..

[Adz]

I'll have to have a word...
I know he wouldnt have me self employed because of the insurance policy...
Guess its talk time Monday morning...

[briggie]

I'll have to have a word...
I know he wouldnt have me self employed because of the insurance policy...
Guess its talk time Monday morning...

explain its not you cos you love your job ..... its the csa .... im fairly certain he will sympathise and try to help if its a good firm

[makeitfit]

When I last worked in London, loads of our drivers were self employed.
The insurance shouldn't be an issue. You can still be a named contractor with x years experiance with the firm etc.
It also seems to me this CSA mob need talking too aswell. Surely that percentage can be changed, as there's no way you should be working 75 hours a week:eek: at those rates especially , it's ballocks.
Self employed is the way forward :sly
Tax is er oh er what is it again er no I'll come back to that :cool:
If I choose to work a long week then that's my choice AND my money :naughty

[Adz]

When I last worked in London, loads of our drivers were self employed.
The insurance shouldn't be an issue. You can still be a named contractor with x years experiance with the firm etc.



Its because there HGV 1 n 2 & it must be a clause in his policy :nenau

You have to be over 25
6 points max & no Disqual
No IN10/14's

That much i know from when i 1st started

[makeitfit]

You're never under 25 :p
I got 6 points in the last 4 weeks :doh
Facist plod :(
Random post................I got my truck back :D:D:cool:

[11redrex]

You're never under 25 :p
I got 6 points in the last 4 weeks :doh
Facist plod :(
Random post................I got my truck back :D:D:cool:


Nutter.
I got 6 points in 6 months after a 6 month ban . 6. 6. 6. Uh oh.

[makeitfit]

More annoying was that I found out my license had been clean for over a month and I never got to see it :doh
Mr PC told me while I was locked in his naughty seat:o
Never had a clean license for that long:homer

[Adz]

Well :rolleyes:

Handed me notice in today after starting at 6am & finishing at 9pm http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif

[briggie]

Well :rolleyes:

Handed me notice in today after starting at 6am & finishing at 9pm http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif

dodgy tacho ? :augie

[zippy656]

Well :rolleyes:

Handed me notice in today after starting at 6am & finishing at 9pm http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif



tomorrow

the start of the rest of your life


HAy this mean no more pics of my Boss then??

[Adz]

dodgy tacho ? :augie


Nope :nono

Digi Card too by the way :lol

15 hours duty ( bang on the leagel limit )

9hrs 58mins driving

=

Pissed off & shattered http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif

[Nisstay]

suggest he pays you overtime as cash in hand ? :nenau

employers can end up doing time for paying cash for overtime .......... and away night money

[11redrex]

Fancy a half day's work driving a 10 tonne forward tipping dumper adz ? Can't pay you but you'll get a cup of tea about 10 o'clock.




If you're lucky. :augie


What you gonna do now ? Anything lined up ? I got/get a fair bit of work by registering with ALL the online agencies.

[Adz]

Not sure yet :nenau

But i wont exist on paper :augie

My days in the building are finished :rolleyes: i hope :o

[briggie]

durex are looking for condom testers , but your first week is a week in hand :augie

[Adz]

:lol