What's the speed limit on a green lane???

[The Patrolman]

Discuss:augie

[briggie]

Discuss:augie

i would guess the national speed limit applies

[Deleted account DD]

Usually,

1/Legally:

The enforceable speed limit is the last indicated one you passed.

Travelling too fast for a given situation comes down to careless/dangerous driving with speed as an aggravating or corroborating circumstance depending on what the problem is.


2/Morally:

the driver is a cock if progression along a given road is based entirely on max speed with disregard for safety. Then pt 1 comes in ;)


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[briggie]

Legally:

The enforceable speed limit is the last indicated one you passed.

Travelling too fast for a given situation comes down to careless/dangerous driving with speed as an aggravating or coroborating circumstance depending on what the problem is.


Morally:

the driver is a cock if progression along a given road is based entirely on max speed with disregard for safety.


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well said :clap:clap:clap

[Deleted account DD]

I forgot to put in theres no doubt some nuance for green lanes :naughty

[clivvy]

for me, 5MPH.

[Adz]

for me, 5MPH.


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[The Patrolman]

I forgot to put in theres no doubt some nuance for green lanes :naughty

I wish fish would bite as fast:clap :clap

As for nusance! I find wa?kers, for some reason, object to having to get off a ROAD to let a vehicle past:doh

If they used these routes as much as us respectable 4x4 owners :thumbs Surely they would have there own well worn path at the side of our well defined road:lol

I do like when you crawl up behind them with their ski sticks, no skis and no visible snow!! Then look at you and try so hard to force a smile they nearly follow through:D :D

:jesterbg

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

as previous but also allow that may find a walker, cyclist or horse rider,
or other animal, round next corner.

typically walking pace some suffice, after all trying to get away from
the rat race, would also suggest that many lanes have vechicular
access from horse and cart days of yor.

may be urban myths but some lanes have been vandalised by anti
vehicle groups, tyre damaging timber bearing nails etc in puddles
so whilst makes good photos for others risk to life and machine.

above all the old slogan Tread Lightly, suggests how slow can you go?

speed could be used as evidence to close a lane, going back to daved's
points.

[Adz]

as previous but also allow that may find a walker, cyclist or horse rider,
or other animal, round next corner.

typically walking pace some suffice, after all trying to get away from
the rat race, would also suggest that many lanes have vechicular
access from horse and cart days of yor.

may be urban myths but some lanes have been vandalised by anti
vehicle groups, tyre damaging timber bearing nails etc in puddles
so whilst makes good photos for others risk to life and machine.

above all the old slogan Tread Lightly, suggests how slow can you go?

speed could be used as evidence to close a lane, going back to daved's
points.


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[The Patrolman]

:thumb2 Sorry peoples!! Didn't want to get yr backs up:D

I take things easy. It's a steady day out with wife n kids n dog(s)nand the mere thought of anywhere near the 30mph limit is too damn scary:eek: even on the flattest of looking lanes / tracks!!

[The Patrolman]

:thumbs :clap :bow :clap :thumbs

:lolI am always on the look out for the next corner:lol

[Deleted account DD]

I wish fish would bite as fast:clap :clap

Just happened to be reading whilst you were posting ;)

As for nusance! I find wa?kers, for some reason, object to having to get off a ROAD to let a vehicle past:doh

If they used these routes as much as us respectable 4x4 owners :thumbs Surely they would have there own well worn path at the side of our well defined road:lol

I do like when you crawl up behind them with their ski sticks, no skis and no visible snow!! Then look at you and try so hard to force a smile they nearly follow through:D :D



Its give and take.

Ive come very close to punching the lights out on or two fu**ing ignorant 4x4 biffs who wanted to argue why they should be allowed to go so fast or dangerously along bridleways et al (which btw for enforcement purposes are generally covered by most aspects of the RTA). Quite funny when they come back at you with the who the **** are you argument. I ususally gently explain and youd be gobsmacked how many immediately (despite bar room bravado and stories) back down . I strongly suspect its because they KNOW what they shoudl and shouldnt be doing but prefer to do the off road version of a boy racer.

Those type of A holes are closely followed by cyclists. Generally travelling briskly, generally teetering on the edge of losing control because its fun and generally too close to pedestrians and vehicles.

Then youve got the representatives from the ramblers association who take it on themselves to to launch a quest to preserve historic rights by blocking all other movement by , as you say , not moving out of the way.

As I walk (more like climb the places I seem to end up:D) , cycle and drive I can see it from all directions.

I had a good conversation last year with the game keeper on a stretch of land on the moors up by scaling dam. As an enthusiastic walker and 4x4 er he had no problem with people accessing the land so long as they respected it. Top of the hit list of problems were dogs out of control with inconsiderate 4x4 ers a very close second. The rest he told me sort of find their own level and sort things out.

Live and let live.

[patbhoy]

I just wish we had green lanes, us Scots invented almost everything but missed out on those:nenau

[(RIP) PLANK]

It's an odd thing how wherever there is any piece of open space people start finding ways to assert possesion of it and deny others access for whatever reason, and the justify it by finding others who feel the same.

I assume that legaly it is the national speed limit, but moraly as fast as it is safe to go. It's odd how many people have no understanding or apprecaition of what the national speed limit is or to which vehicles it applies.

For example, in my T2 being a commercial vehicle with a gross eight of over 2 tonnes, National seed limit on a sinlge track road is 50 mph, while in a T2 'car' it is, of course, 60. I often wonder why, is it to make me an unwitting rolling road block?

[jims-terrano]

for me, 5MPH.

A bit fast for some of the lanes I've been on:thumbs

Jim

[iandouglas]

when I am out on the lanes i find 12mph is plenty fast enough in most conditions..
whats the point in going to the trouble of going onto the lanes if you are not going to look and enjoy them.
less likely to sustain damage as well.
we used to go out with someone else leading the group and we went a lot faster, so as to get as many lanes in as possible.
trouble was I couldnt remember where we went as most of it was just a blur.

[Deleted account DD]

us Scots invented almost everything

and released the Lockerbie bomber :hmh

[briggie]

when I am out on the lanes i find 12mph is plenty fast enough in most conditions..
whats the point in going to the trouble of going onto the lanes if you are not going to look and enjoy them.
less likely to sustain damage as well.
we used to go out with someone else leading the group and we went a lot faster, so as to get as many lanes in as possible.
trouble was I couldnt remember where we went as most of it was just a blur.

im a green laning virgin , so its nice to know the protocol :thumb2

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

good picture patrol man, looks like our houndkirk road on steroids!

perhaps a north yorks moors meet is in order. love that area, earlier
in summer took the back lane to the NYM railway north out of
Pickering, was metal'ed though only just in places up to grosmont
found a gate across a public road, thought just like laning! and
then a ford outside grosmont. then back south down main road via
goathland and early warning at filingdales, mind still miss the 'golf balls'
compared to that ugly pyramid thing they've got now!

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

good topic by the way.

not had that many issues in past,

ones i recall are doing stanage 20 years ago in a poorly range rover.
was none starter really, car was just wasnt fit and we were on our
own, trying it up hill from bamford side, only because saw others
exiting it and bravardo kicked in. in bottom marshy stages clutch
failure, and some bobblies launched verbal attack on us. rescued
by a ranger on foot who supported our vehicular right. turned round
to find the twats had sabotaged track all way back to entrance
upturning large rocks. so whilst nursing clutch was getting out shifting
rocks.

more recently landowner in bamford area concerned at never ending
processions of 4bys, mind think checking we werent sheep rustling?
too!

finally horse owner, novice horse upset we upseting horse, suggest
dont ride on public green lanes if cant stand heat. only got ugly as
owner kicked off so rudely, then claimed daughter was upset, yep
by her mum's obsessive behaviour.

[clivvy]

seems to me its a typical example of how many people simply cannot share. end of the day, its everyones country. these lanes are free to use for trucks and people. but there are far FAR more tracks for people to walk on, so piss off and walk on them and quit being childish.

nobheads.

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

I just wish we had green lanes, us Scots invented almost everything but missed out on those:nenau

believe there are some rights of way, though not classified as in england and wales.

lot of it comes down to the clearance acts especially in the high(er) lands?

there is a well known track name escapes me top side of fort william i think, maybe
lord something or to do with mcalpine, or could be totally up wrong tree there.

suspect there are other routes like in england where you could ask the land owner
nicely yeah right, and even if it has none or lower rights on could drive.

especially if approached as a club, perhaps offered to maintain it, after all bods
have driven up ben nevis etc with permission. dont ask dont get.

otherwise it pay n play.

[Deleted account DD]

there are far FAR more tracks for people to walk on, so piss off and walk on them and quit being childish.

nobheads.

Thats pretty anti walker and completely unjustified :mad: how would you (lawfully) walk the Cleveland Way to name just one if all vehicle drivers took that stance :nenau

A walker could be well justified in saying (bearing in mind my chat with the game keeper ironically on the Cleveland way) motor vehicles take up the most space and are more likely to cause damage pro rata per person.

As I said before give and take, live and let live.

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

good old google,

general wade's military road aka

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrieyairack_Pass

good couple of hours, even if not extreme, mind
in winter gather snow can several feet deep...

[solarman216]

A good rule, forgotten by some, ignored by many, is, "you should only drive at a speed that you can stop, in the distance that you can see to be clear" Rick

[makeitfit]

Picking up a bit on what Daved said; I feel I've missed out a bit on how 4x4 ers have been left with the dregs of the lanes:o
Walkers and horsers have their own tracks that we CANT go near, conversly they can go all over the last few lanes remaining for 4x4 ers :doh
Live n let live sure, but share and share alike please:augie
As regards damage to lanes etc. I have my own little theory that goes something like this:- the fewer the legal lanes the more the 4x4 ers on them the more the damage the more they bloody close , repeat :(
As regards speed, I'm with solarman :thumbs

[Adz]

Will always be heated :augie

The good old LANE DEBATE :rolleyes: :lol

My view on it is this :doh

I think that for example in Essex, there are public footpath signs everywhere, bridleways some restricted are just as common but try & find a sign posted public or restricted byway near on gold dust http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif
Hence why i will travel to gods country Wales & opp North to the Dales & Moorlands :thumbs

What should be done but never will is to open footpaths only to bridleways as a horse will be not much wider so can there for use it & open bridleways to byways where access can be naturally traveled by 4x4's i think.

At the end of the day you can get near enough anywhere on foot.

People who ride horses have access to farm fields (as thats where most are in stables at farms) plus beaches

& what do 4x4'ers have a few lanes that we get accused of destroying (as normal its only a small minority as in everything that do wrong) & boring small pay'n'play sites with the exception of a few Big 1's :(

The 4x4 is mealy an escape goat to close lanes :( http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif

[Deleted account DD]

Picking up a bit on what Daved said; I feel I've missed out a bit on how 4x4 ers have been left with the dregs of the lanes:o
Walkers and horsers have their own tracks that we CANT go near, conversely they can go all over the last few lanes remaining for 4x4 ers :doh
Live n let live sure, but share and share alike please:augie
As regards damage to lanes etc. I have my own little theory that goes something like this:- the fewer the legal lanes the more the 4x4 ers on them the more the damage the more they bloody close , repeat :(
As regards speed, I'm with solarman :thumbs

TBH I dont know the details of what lanes are what by us. I see where you're coming from about the number of them but surely that reflects life and the car in general.

Drive round a housing estate and theres loads of roads , open to all. then theres cycle lanes and footpaths, then theres footpaths only that cars couldn't physically fit down :nenau that "template" seems to apply.

As far as damage goes, not a bad theory.But as an example of how much damage trucks do. In an earlier life :augie I used to get to drive landrovers (hence my dislike of them) to "a location". Full stop.

Our only instructions were to get to a given point in the vehicle(s) Often tops of hills and dig in. The only thing we had to be aware of was leaving too many indications of where we were or had been. Not because the tree huggers were worried about broken blades of grass. We were doing a job.

Unless you've tried that you probably have no idea how bloody difficult it is. Sometimes we just about did it. Others we trashed the space despite best intentions and you could have seen it from the moon :doh

We screwed up at times yet were trained and practised.

I always have this in the back of my mind when I see clearly incompetent or thoughtless 4x4ers up on the moors. Theres enough fair wear and tear on lanes and tracks without pillocks joining in or going off piste.

Therefore due to the minority plus the fact that a 2 tonne truck will wear tracks away they have to regulate things.

I'm not saying the other groups are innocent. You only have to go up across by Osmotherly to see what inconsiderate mountain bikers (aka ecological vandals) are achieving.

Walkers cop for it too. Theres quite a few areas up there too where there are clear signs saying please keep to the designated paths and the reasons are usually posted too. However some people think they know better.........they don't and get it pointed out to them :augie;)

ps Adz if you reckon farm fields are a reason for having a horse, I'll get you a day out in asdas car park.......that's the car equivalent, I know you'd love it.

[Adz]

ps Adz if you reckon farm fields are a reason for having a horse, I'll get you a day out in asdas car park.......that's the car equivalent, I know you'd love it.


No thanks, ya keep ya bloody superstore / retail car parks for yaself :lol


What i mean is that most farms have stables & fields that can be riden in :thumbs