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Hi, newby here, looking at buying a Terrano as by 05 Vaux Vectra is....well I have to be polite and watch my language!
Anyway, that's going and I've been offered an 2002 Terrano, 3.0 SVE, not seen it yet as it's a trade in, coming in next week, £3500, MOT due either next month or month after!.
Does this sound a decent price and what should I be looking out for??
Also saw the thread about people putting in veggy oil 50/50 in their vehicles. Surely they must mean processed veggy oil i.e. biodiesel, not just pure veggy oil (me being thick there!!)??
Cheers
Thomas-the-Terrano2
08-06-2010, 11:50
sounds ok, had a 2.7 tdi t2 for 4 years and a 3.0 patrol now just over a year.
the 3.0 t2 go really well, sve sounds high spec too.
havent used svo myself, but others here swear by it, either way you'll soon be
wondering why you left it so long to ditch the vectra, and driving regular cars!
welcome aboard.
zippy656
08-06-2010, 11:57
i use veggie oil from the bottle, 75p liter :-)
no problems at all.
not to sure a 3.0 can though. youd have to check. a good place is here
http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/forum/index.php
very helpfull..
So, just get regular veggy oil from the supermarket etc or filter home used stuff and add it 50:50 to the tank, no additive etc...wow...a diesel truck is seemingly more attractive as they day goes on :thumbs
I'll check on that link regarding the 3.0 litre diesel engine though.
zippy656
08-06-2010, 12:18
i only use clean new stuff. other wise its loads of messing about filtering cleaning ect. also makes it cose more per liter if yo ugot to buy filters ect.
i've a trade card so can get it from wholesalers in 20 lts bottles.
i know the 2.7 intercooler is ok, but wouldnt like to say about any of the others.
Wow, I really am surprised. I know diesel is basically oil, but never considered blending veggy oil and derv to run a truck....bargain :)
zippy656
08-06-2010, 12:40
just to let you know. there are some fuel pump that dont like veggie oil. thats why you got to check abnd chat to others on the other site.
lacroupade
08-06-2010, 12:41
Wow, I really am surprised. I know diesel is basically oil, but never considered blending veggy oil and derv to run a truck....bargain :)
Be careful as we don't know if the 3.0 is 'approved' yet LOL....the 2.7 has been proven on up to 100% SVO, but not so the 3.0...but since it does 30-32mpg compared to the 23-25 of the 2.7.....
That price is slightly on the low side IMHO; 4x4 prices have risen a fair bit over the last few months and a good 3.0 (or 2.7 for that matter) would easily command 4000-4500 on a dealers forecourt (which is over book)....combination of a bad winter and higher taxes on later models.
What mileage has it done?
Might be best to get the dealer to MoT it first- they are liable for most faults for six months anyway but less hassle for you if you haven't got to get a ticket....but then might be some benefit in having the MoT done elsewhere as a kind if independent check....reverting to the dealer if there are any problems. Beware of buying it invoiced as a 'trade car'.
Theres not much serious goes wrong with these trucks, especially later ones, and the engine is pretty bombproof, so if it looks and drives OK its a good price and I'd bite his hand off....
Yeah, can't seem to find anything relating to the 3.0 model, so need to do some research first me thinks.
I'm not totally sure what the deal will be, he's basically taken it in at £3500 as the trade in value against something he's sold, he's told me that when it comes in then it's going straight off to auction, but he'll give me first call on it as he knows the history I've had with the vectra.
From what he was saying and I'm hoping, it will be sold as is, possibly at that £3500 price I dunno, but I'll have to do the mot etc, so it's a gamble either way, keep the vectra and pay through the nose for an unreliable car or go for this and potentially buy a bag of spanners!
The previous owner was a Saab technician, so I'm assuming that it's been well looked after!
lacroupade
08-06-2010, 14:29
Yeah, can't seem to find anything relating to the 3.0 model, so need to do some research first me thinks. GOOD IDEA
I'm not totally sure what the deal will be, he's basically taken it in at £3500 as the trade in value against something he's sold, he's told me that when it comes in then it's going straight off to auction, but he'll give me first call on it as he knows the history I've had with the vectra.
From what he was saying and I'm hoping, it will be sold as is, possibly at that £3500 price I dunno, but I'll have to do the mot etc, so it's a gamble either way, keep the vectra and pay through the nose for an unreliable car or go for this and potentially buy a bag of spanners! JUST BE AWARE THAT IF HE SELLS IT AS A TRADE CAR I THINK YOU HAVE LESS CONSUMER RIGHTS
The previous owner was a Saab technician, so I'm assuming that it's been well looked after! BAD ASSUMPTION; (I) NISSAN TECHNICIANS STRUGGLE WITH THESE THINGS A LOT OF THE TIME (THIS SITE PROBABLY KNOWS MORE COLLECTIVELY THAN THEY DO), AND (II) CARTECHSCARSAREUSUALLY THE WORST!!! Lol
But don't let that put you off....if he's trading it cos he doesn't sell older cars or 4x4s thats fine, make sure mileage is around 80k or less at this price/age, check for rust and oil leaks underneath and thats about it...most everything is fairly easily fixable and not that much goes wrong TBH....
welcome aboard eminox, seems you have already have some sound advice, anyway good luck with the truck. :thumb2
Cheers all, will check mileage etc as mentioned, not coming in till next Friday, so have to wait and keep fingers crossed until then ;)
I see him down the pub regular so I doubt he'd want his reputation damaged at all.
lacroupade
08-06-2010, 16:50
Cheers all, will check mileage etc as mentioned, not coming in till next Friday, so have to wait and keep fingers crossed until then ;)
I see him down the pub regular so I doubt he'd want his reputation damaged at all.
Sounds good to me! Good luck!:thumb2:thumb2
Just one other thing, going on about veggy oil possibilities, seen a few things regarding Customs & Excise, and I know you can produce a certain amount of diy biodiesel duty free, but what about using SVO, do you have to pay duty on that if using to power vehicles still?
CaptLimey
08-06-2010, 17:35
Hi Eminox
I've been watching these 3.0 ltrs for some time and the price is good for a 2002, assuming its a 5 door and the mileage is under 100k. As Lacroupade says there's not a lot to go wrong with them. Other threads suggest that the high and low oil pressure sensors (they have two) are sometimes faulty but easy to replace. Also the earlier gearboxes have a history of layshaft bearing failure. I know - I had to replace my '96 T2 box, but they may have rectified that problem by 2002. Good luck with the deal and post some pics when you can. If you don't buy it pm me the dealers details I may be interested!
Regards CL
Yep, it is a 5 door, leather interior etc, that's all I know at the moment, won't be able to have a look until next week :(
zippy656
08-06-2010, 19:07
Just one other thing, going on about veggy oil possibilities, seen a few things regarding Customs & Excise, and I know you can produce a certain amount of diy biodiesel duty free, but what about using SVO, do you have to pay duty on that if using to power vehicles still?
the site I mentiond earlyer will help
SVO is NOT biodiesel.. its veggie oil... not the same...
but you can use 2500 litres with out paying duty, just need to keep a record.. oh its a ROLLING year as well..
but 2500 litres is 580 litres a month.. so WAY more then normal use..
Yep, have searched that site and waiting a reply regarding the Terrano 3.0, and yeah, I knew veggy oil isn't biodiesel but was surprised that diesel engines will run on veggy oil.
Still finding my feet and seeing if this Terrano will be worth a gamble, would be a better gamble if I could put veggy oil through it, but that's a bonus not a deciding factor I suppose.
zippy656
08-06-2010, 19:16
took me ages to make my mind up and do it..
had a vizit from two members same week.. both run on veggie oil.
one cleared out my local Tesco! ( you know who I mean Makeitfit!! )
Hahaha, I must admit, if you can get it cheap enough then 'every little bit helps'...lol
If the 3 ltr wont have the veggy oil then I might just go for an older shogun or something that's solid, reliable and can be worked on and will run on veggy oil :)
zippy656
08-06-2010, 20:04
that dont sound like a shogun then..
but a 2.7
Ah...right...any suggestions anyone??
Budget is max £5k, need to get dog, child seat and pushchair in, something I can work on and not have to take it to a stealers to find out a simple fault and parts are cheap, and won't cost an arm and a leg to run, oh and will take biodiesel or veggy oil....fussy??
Ah...right...any suggestions anyone??
Budget is max £5k, need to get dog, child seat and pushchair in, something I can work on and not have to take it to a stealers to find out a simple fault and parts are cheap, and won't cost an arm and a leg to run, oh and will take biodiesel or veggy oil....fussy??
gotta be a t2 /mav/mistral then :thumb2
lacroupade
08-06-2010, 22:53
gotta be a t2 /mav/mistral then :thumb2
you wouldn't be buying a Maverick for £5k and certainly not a Mistral. well not unless you're an eejyit!
£5k puts you in 2003-5 territory and a final facelift T2 2.7 or 3.0.
Eminox have a goode look around and you'll see that the Terrano is the most cost-effective 4x4 you can buy pretty much. Your £5k would buy you a good lowish mileage 2003-4 2.7 TDi that does 23-25mpg but defo runs on anything up to 100% SVO, or a 3.0 that we are not yet sure about but does 32mpg anyway.
Same money buys you LRs, Discos, Shotgun, Mitsis etc that are much older and a bag of shite....
makeitfit
08-06-2010, 22:58
the site I mentiond earlyer will help
SVO is NOT biodiesel.. its veggie oil... not the same...
but you can use 2500 litres with out paying duty, just need to keep a record.. oh its a ROLLING year as well..
but 2500 litres is 580 litres a month.. so WAY more then normal use..
No, I think you'll find it's 508 litres a month:augie
Still plenty though eh:D
lacroupade
08-06-2010, 23:02
No, I think you'll find it's 508 litres a month:augie
Still plenty though eh:D
where did you two study arithmetic??? 2500/12=508??:confused::confused:
i think you will find that 2500 divided by 12 is 208
makeitfit
08-06-2010, 23:05
where did you two study arithmetic??? 2500/12=508??:confused::confused:
Same as you but without the slate:lol
What I really meant was 208, ehem...................
lacroupade
08-06-2010, 23:11
Same as you but without the slate:lol
What I really meant was 208, ehem...................
so you went to state school, i went to slate school.......:bow
makeitfit
08-06-2010, 23:15
so you went to state school
Only when caught:o
Right, been informed that the 3.0 model will only run on 50:50 bio:diesel mix at the most, no veggy at all, but seeing as it does more mpg than the 2.7 then it all probably evens out cost wise I would have thought.
Still gonna have a look at it when it comes in, nothing ventured, nothing gained!
zippy656
09-06-2010, 09:12
BioDiesel can be made at home from veggie oil, load of messing about, maybe worth looking at a later 2.7, slow note the ROAD TAX..
I thought being a 2002 model, the tax would be around the £245 mark, or has salesman told me wrong??
Anything will do really, so long as it's comfortable, reliable, fairly cheap to run and won't break the bank!
The more I look the more things don't seem that simple after all!
lacroupade
09-06-2010, 09:35
I thought being a 2002 model, the tax would be around the £245 mark, or has salesman told me wrong??
Anything will do really, so long as it's comfortable, reliable, fairly cheap to run and won't break the bank!
The more I look the more things don't seem that simple after all!
no thats correct, its 2005/6 or thereabouts that the higher VED rate kicks in.
BigBlack
09-06-2010, 09:35
My 2005 2.7 is £245 for twelve months, or £138 (?) for six months.
Thomas-the-Terrano2
09-06-2010, 09:41
check parkers guide for ved link, can go on every model/trim variation
against MY.
thats way i bought the x reg trol, not a y or later, as was up in air still
what might become of bands.
Yep, checked Parkers and it's £245/annum from April 2010, which is what the Vectra has increased to anyway, so both seem to linked road tax wise...better than £400 odd for the newer vehicles :o
One other thing that I've come accross, is the 3.0 a straight 4 cyl engine or a V6? From what I've read etc it's a straight 4, but still wonder.
Cheers
extreme-4x4
09-06-2010, 22:34
I thought being a 2002 model, the tax would be around the £245 mark, or has salesman told me wrong??
Anything will do really, so long as it's comfortable, reliable, fairly cheap to run and won't break the bank!
The more I look the more things don't seem that simple after all!
i cant see the problem . buy a 02-04 plate 2.7 for around 3.5k . and put the change in the bank . then run it on veg oil all the time.
cant see the problem myself ... trouble free motoring and running on next to nothing.
or get the 3 litre mot it clean it up ... sell it .... then do as instructed above
zippy656
10-06-2010, 05:57
ill second extremas plane..
just dont get this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj9wRR8v9_U
Right, I can understand now why there's so much more about the 2.7 than there is about the 3.0!
Cheers for your advice though :)
Thomas-the-Terrano2
10-06-2010, 08:54
the 3.0 in question is an L4 but be aware thers a new V6 3.0 coming
out in the Navara pickup.
Hmm, starting to lean towards the 2.7 more, and there's an L reg 2.7TDi SE 13 miles away from me for £1500 ono....that'll take veggy juice :)...140k on the clock and mot next month as well!!
zippy656
10-06-2010, 10:01
go have a look, good look.
Am going to, tonoght hopefully. Would I need one of those heater kits and a second derv tank to run on 100% svo?
zippy656
10-06-2010, 10:28
nope. you can run on single tank in warm weather, the colder it is just and more diesel to keep it thin enough
again the other site has loads on info, ideas, views on the heaters. some say the work make a lot of diference, some on the other hand think a waste of time and money.
Really....WOW :thumbs
My only concern is reliability, that was my original reason for joining this forum, having a wholly unreliable vectra and being offered that 3.0 sve.
I really like the idea of cheap motoring, but don't want to get a bag of spanners or have veggy oil start to introduce unreliability issues :(
It really makes alot of sense getting a 2.7 running on veggy oil, but having fingers burnt with the vectra I'm overly cautious I suppose.
zippy656
10-06-2010, 10:41
talk to makeitfit and extream4x4 both run on veggie oil, few other do to, but them two were the ones that made me see sence.. and use veggie
lacroupade
10-06-2010, 11:16
i cant see the problem . buy a 02-04 plate 2.7 for around 3.5k . and put the change in the bank . then run it on veg oil all the time.
cant see the problem myself ... trouble free motoring and running on next to nothing.
or get the 3 litre mot it clean it up ... sell it .... then do as instructed above
3.5k will get you an 02 or an early 03 after a lot of searching at best with prices at the moment....and thats private; add a grand or two on for forecourt.
Off to France now....bye!
zippy656
10-06-2010, 11:17
mind your step on th eladdes, have a good time
lacroupade
10-06-2010, 11:20
mind your step on th eladdes, have a good time
I'm going to tie myself to the damn thing this time LOL cheers Zip.
zippy656
10-06-2010, 11:22
LOL
dothey have T2 parst cheaper there? snorkles ect?
zippy656
10-06-2010, 11:48
http://www.biomotors.co.uk/CarsVansN.html#Nissan
also look here for info
Hmm, saw that one before, but then when you start spending on kits etc to get it running on veggie oil then to me it then takes a good while to recoup the initial expense. I can see the long term benefits if fuel prices continue to rise, but then just stick to biodiesel etc.
lacroupade
10-06-2010, 13:06
ill second extremas plane..
just dont get this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj9wRR8v9_U
never park on the beach!
Right, just had a look at a P reg 2.7 SE, 140k on the clock, MOT and Tax running out next month, two tyres needed on the back, last owners had it for past 9 years, tidy motor I suppose but needs some tlc, undersealing, a few rust spots to be sorted, bodywork ok, engine started perfectly from cold.
They're asking £1500, any suggestions?
makeitfit
10-06-2010, 20:41
Yep, offer them a grand :sly
OR nearer the asking price if THEY put a new MOT on it:naughty
Oh yeah, and the wheels were seriously corroded, needed shot balsting and painting etc, also the discs were fairly worn, which makes me think they need doing also, so £1k is about right me thinks.
zippy656
11-06-2010, 05:45
they can only say no.
you can walk away
and keep your money for another day
Ok, so as a rough guestimate, how much would the following cost to have done?
Full service
Brakes (pads and discs)
2 x Tyres
MOT
Tax (gonna be £245)
Just so I have some ammo when I call them back.
Cheers
zippy656
11-06-2010, 12:23
Ok, so as a rough guestimate, how much would the following cost to have done?
Full service 200
Brakes (pads and discs) 50
2 x Tyres 250
MOT 30
Tax (gonna be £245)
Just so I have some ammo when I call them back.
Cheers
just quick guess, you can price up parts here if you like...
http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/p/Car-Parts/Service-Parts
Wow, pads and disc's only around £50, just cost me £200 for a set for the vectra, front and rears !!!
zippy656
11-06-2010, 13:27
i did say GUESS. but looking for mine £71..still not 200 though!
For disc, drums and pads, the hole lot? Still a bargain!!
zippy656
11-06-2010, 13:54
not back drums or pads.
Ah, right, was gonnay say, still a good price and I dount the drums need replacing that often, just the shoes.
That europarts website is pretty informative, makes the decision process a hell of alot easier know I can get cheap parts online etc...I like it :)
zippy656
11-06-2010, 14:06
i just found it, used ebay for parts before,
i like the free delivery part best.. ok so ourder parts monday to get them for the weekend... simples
Well, either way, parts are relatively inexpensive which makes the thought of owning a Terrano II more appealing, that and putting veggie oil through the 2.7....well I seem to be even seeling the idea to myself..lol
zippy656
11-06-2010, 14:54
i know where a swb is going to be coming up for sale soon, any good?
Thanks, but I need a LWB, dog and young son amoungst other things. I have two to choose from, the P reg 1997 that's advertised for £1500 but am gonna offer £1000, but I won't be doing anything until I've seen the 2002 3.0 SVE I've got coming my way for possibly £3500, think my mind is made up, just want to look at all options before buying.
Had two and a half years of worry motoring with the vectra, so am being extra cautious this time.
makeitfit
11-06-2010, 22:36
Trouble is you can hardly ever second guess the MOT costs:o
Could be a stack of welding for example:augie
It needs to be cheap as its only a month left on it OR as I say get them to put mot on it or at least get you the fail sheet if it blows it:thumbs
Dont forget CASH is king, so if you get the horn for the 3.0 stick 3000 in one pocket and hide the rest. Then when all negotiations have not gone your way, pull out your wad:sly Wave 3000 in his face for a quick deal:naughty
Then be hard, walk away if he refuses, he'll ring you later:thumbs
Yeah, I know exactly what you're saying, MOT could be expensive even if she's owned it for the past 9 years. Still fancy a challenge though, but how much of a challenge the old one's gonna present is an open-ended question!!
Have yet to see the newer one, but being a 3.0 already puts me off for some reason, think I prefer something older so I can do what I like withit without worrying about value.
Done 800 odd miles this weekend driving round the country and I can count the number of Terrano's I saw on the road with one hand!! Loads of X-Trails etc, but incredibly very few Terrano's!
extreme-4x4
13-06-2010, 16:08
3 litres are good from all accounts . and 30+ mpg is pretty good for a 4x4.... but for me id buy it and tidy it up mot it and make a bit of dosh on it ... there is room for an easy grand there . it'll look better in your pocket than someone Else's
put the money into a 2.7 tdi... if your not in a rush you will get a tdi for a grand needing some tidying and all of a sudden your driving around for free. even better when your running on veg oil too
Now that sounds like a damn good plan....hmmmm
Ok, 3.0 won't be looked at until tomorrow now, but it's got 101k on the clock for a 2002 model, should I be worried?
over 12k a year, normal driving i suppose. id not be worried about the engine, but id be checkng everything else closely....is it the V6 3.0? if so, they are tough engines.
Nope, it's the inline 4, SVE model. I know it won't take veggie oil, but it's an 02 with 101k on the clock, new rear tyres for £3500, mot next month mind, but as long as it's sound mechanically then it's a good deal as far as I can make out.
mickmonk
18-06-2010, 15:42
Hi, mine was 5k from a dealer with 92k miles on it (3.0ltr sve auto). Only had it since Feb, apart from an ignition switch bit and arb drop links all good. I been busy changing oils etc, dealer told me he would give it a real service not like other dealers, however all he did was change the engine oil, as when I changed the oils most came out black/grey etc.
Yep, that's what I plan to do, see what needs doing to get it through the MOT then do a real good going over.
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