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zippy656
05-05-2010, 18:45
SO any new guys??
SO any new guys??
i hope she is being good with all those men around her and her private bits on show :naughty
zippy656
05-05-2010, 18:47
they'll get her goin again i bet!
solarman216
05-05-2010, 18:54
Sorry been a very busy day today no chance to give her a good look over yet, Swifty is as baffled as me at the moment, re the very strange noise she is making, we are thinking piston but not sure, and do not forget we are racing on Sunday and have two cars to ready for the meeting, will post some pics tomorrow, Rick
you take your time mate , im just happy you offered to look at her :thumb2
lacroupade
05-05-2010, 19:09
Sorry been a very busy day today no chance to give her a good look over yet, Swifty is as baffled as me at the moment, re the very strange noise she is making, we are thinking piston but not sure, and do not forget we are racing on Sunday and have two cars to ready for the meeting, will post some pics tomorrow, Rick
RICK - respect mate!
And some pics of whatever you are racing would be interesting???
Cheers
Paul
oh defo interested in pics of the racing cars if you get chance???
Deleted account DD
05-05-2010, 20:06
SO any new guys??
How many are you looking for :nenau:augie
lacroupade
05-05-2010, 20:49
How many are you looking for :nenau:augie
it was a bit gay wasn't it.....here you are Zippy, will this make you feel better?
BigBlack
05-05-2010, 20:57
it was a bit gay wasn't it.....here you are Zippy, will this make you feel better?
You should ask my permission before sticking a photo of me on here!!!! :D :augie
solarman216
05-05-2010, 23:09
Before and after, Swiftys banger last Sunday, and Briggies new engine arriving home, sorry about quality but dusk and camera bats near dead so no flash, Rick
lacroupade
05-05-2010, 23:11
Ah I always wanted one of those - roadworthy I meant :D
solarman216
05-05-2010, 23:12
Only seem to get one pic at a time
solarman216
05-05-2010, 23:15
Briggies new Engine
solarman216
05-05-2010, 23:25
Try again, no not having it try again tomorrow rick
nope :nenau
just a thought rick , would it be a good idea to do the banjo filter thingy while the engine is out ? :nenau
this is it .. just thought it might be easier to get to if the engine is out :nenau
http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/downloads/workshop/wk10.pdf
solarman216
05-05-2010, 23:39
Don't worry, would not consider not doing it, the sump is coming off and so is a big end, want to know what I am working with,not sure maybe you can check it out for me but I think the camshaft could be different between Auto & Manual if it is we will need to swap that over as well, go your new engine out tonight took pic but for some reason it does not want to upload, the two of the rover p4 went OK, Rick
Don't worry, would not consider not doing it, the sump is coming off and so is a big end, want to know what I am working with,not sure maybe you can check it out for me but I think the camshaft could be different between Auto & Manual if it is we will need to swap that over as well, go your new engine out tonight took pic but for some reason it does not want to upload, the two of the rover p4 went OK, Rick
should be on that cd rick , its got the whole manual for the r20 , but i will check
solarman216
05-05-2010, 23:43
3rd Try Nop Give up
manual transmission....... http://bebrs.pie-dabas.net/Webs/Terrano/R20/mt.pdf
automatic transmission.......http://bebrs.pie-dabas.net/Webs/Terrano/R20/at.pdf
engine.........http://bebrs.pie-dabas.net/Webs/Terrano/R20/em.pdf
hope that helps mate :thumb2
manual transmission....... http://bebrs.pie-dabas.net/Webs/Terrano/R20/mt.pdf
automatic transmission.......http://bebrs.pie-dabas.net/Webs/Terrano/R20/at.pdf
engine.........http://bebrs.pie-dabas.net/Webs/Terrano/R20/em.pdf
hope that helps mate :thumb2
but i think you should have a nice brew , sit down , relax , or may be go to bed mate , youve had a long day and had a long day yesterday too , relax mate :thumb2:clap
stevecrm
06-05-2010, 12:49
I think rick is doing well with Sally ;) :p
zippy656
06-05-2010, 13:28
so just got to take out the windows and hes set then!
I think rick is doing well with Sally ;) :p
ner ner ner .... sally doesnt have a intercooler lump on the bonnet ( or she didnt :rolleyes: ) ....... im sure rick and swifty are looking after her :thumb2
ner ner ner .... sally doesnt have a intercooler lump on the bonnet ( or she didnt :rolleyes: ) ....... im sure rick and swifty are looking after her :thumb2
plus the drivers wind deflector was missing lol
solarman216
06-05-2010, 15:06
Sally's engine died this morning, but I now know what the problem is, the flywheel has disconnected itself from the rest of the engine, don't know yet if it is flywheel bolts or broken crank, but I suspect bolts, never mind if we put a three litre petrol in it and it should go well at Smallfields this weekend, nice paint job don't you think, Rick:thumbs
Sally's engine died this morning, but I now know what the problem is, the flywheel has disconnected itself from the rest of the engine, don't know yet if it is flywheel bolts or broken crank, but I suspect bolts, never mind if we put a three litre petrol in it and it should go well at Smallfields this weekend, nice paint job don't you think, Rick:thumbs
when you say " died " ... is the engine totally foofed , or is it a viable repair ?.... is this kind of thing normal too ? .
s'not good if the flywheels gone...
s'not good if the flywheels gone...
do we arrange a funeral for sally ? :nenau
s'not good if the flywheels gone...
do i cancel my insurance ? :nenau
solarman216
06-05-2010, 18:40
We got another engine to go in remember, but depends how bad we beat her up at small fields on Sunday, she should go well with the 3 litre ford engine in, Rick
lacroupade
06-05-2010, 18:46
Just intrigued as of course theres no pure mechanical connection between auto gearbox and flywheel, its a viscous coupling* (thats what the torque convertor does), so not clear what sort of force would have caused such a problem.....I won't blame the garage that dropped the box in but it is most likely to be that or the original 'explosion' at the root of it....
BUT, its pleasing to see that we were right about this engine NOT falling apart - it would have been the first mechanically knackered 2.7 diesel engine this site has seen in the 5-6 years I've been popping in and out.....:thumb2:thumb2:thumb2
* thats why you can leave an auto in gear at the lights without doing anything; theres no clutch or mechanical linkage to break or wear out unlike a manual clutch.
"TWOC is an acronym standing for Taking Without Owner's Consent. Synonyms used by police in the UK include UTMV: Unauthorised Taking of a Motor Vehicle, and TADA or TDA: Taken and Driven Away. TWOC derives from the wording of S12 Theft Act 1968 and it has become the term used by the police in England and Wales to describe any unauthorised use of a car or other conveyance that is not actual theft. Since the taking need not involve an intention to permanently deprive the owner of the car, it is easier to prove than theft (this having an element of with the intention to permanently deprive the owner of their goods). The term came to prominence with a sharp rise in car crime in the early-1990s.
:augie:sly
joking apart , is it fairly common for this flywheel to go ? :nenau
lacroupade
06-05-2010, 18:58
joking apart , is it fairly common for this flywheel to go ? :nenau
Like a mechanical engine failure on these, its unheard of Briggie......seriously.:)
I know I harp on about it but you don't get 300k-400k-500k miles in a London taxi from a junk engine......these engines have been run in that scenario for so long (and we are talking pre-Mistral/Maverick/Terrano remember) with shitloads of stop/start etc.. but are STILL going, to the extent that its now possible to have your 2.7 Nissan taxi engine converted from compression to spark ignition, i.e. into a petrol engine....it costs circa £5k but apparently meets emissions requirements in London that the diesel can't.
Do you start to see just how reliable the engine is and why we kept saying "couldn't be a big end"...? :thumb2
Like a mechanical engine failure on these, its unheard of Briggie......seriously.:)
I know I harp on about it but you don't get 300k-400k-500k miles in a London taxi from a junk engine......these engines have been run in that scenario for so long (and we are talking pre-Mistral/Maverick/Terrano remember) with shitloads of stop/start etc.. but are STILL going, to the extent that its now possible to have your 2.7 Nissan taxi engine converted from compression to spark ignition, i.e. into a petrol engine....it costs circa £5k but apparently meets emissions requirements in London that the diesel can't.
Do you start to see just how reliable the engine is and why we kept saying "couldn't be a big end"...? :thumb2
well something bad has happened :nenau
zippy656
06-05-2010, 19:02
when they did the gear box??
solarman216
06-05-2010, 19:10
Not a normal thing, I would put my money on flywheel bolts failing/coming loose, if the crank had broke it would have to be a very straight break for the rest of the engine not to try and turn, but as it is the starter spins the flywheel without effort and it keeps spinning after starter stops, I might mention that we started it up at Pauls, for him to listen to and we have started it three times since being in the yard, and the third time it was idling and simply stopped, I thought it may have seized but no I could turn it with a spanner on the PS pump pulley, I then tried the starter and got the result we have now, so if Briggie had tried to use it, he probably would not have got more than a mile from the garage, however will know more when we pull the engine out, but cannot get it in the workshop at the moment, always the way, you can never have something just when you want it, perhaps we won't race it a Smallfields after all, in spite of the lovely paint job, Rick
Not a normal thing, I would put my money on flywheel bolts failing/coming loose, if the crank had broke it would have to be a very straight break for the rest of the engine not to try and turn, but as it is the starter spins the flywheel without effort and it keeps spinning after starter stops, I might mention that we started it up at Pauls, for him to listen to and we have started it three times since being in the yard, and the third time it was idling and simply stopped, I thought it may have seized but no I could turn it with a spanner on the PS pump pulley, I then tried the starter and got the result we have now, so if Briggie had tried to use it, he probably would not have got more than a mile from the garage, however will know more when we pull the engine out, but cannot get it in the workshop at the moment, always the way, you can never have something just when you want it, perhaps we won't race it a Smallfields after all, in spite of the lovely paint job, Rick
so will the new engine have a flywheel and will it cure the problem rick ? ..... ps nowt wrong with my old paint job lol
My take on this.
Bolted to the crank is the torque converter drive plate which is a relatively thin disc of metal.
Bolted to the drive plate is the torque converter/flywheel (it is the same thing).
When Rick started Pete's motor at my house the noise sounded like a metal plate banging/resonating on overrun.
My theory is (and was on Tuesday) that the torque converter drive plate is cracked/damaged in some way.
Going by what Rick is now saying I still stick to this theory.
I am quite surprised that the guys at the garage where Pete's truck was last week didn't arrive at this conclusion.
My take on this.
Bolted to the crank is the torque converter drive plate which is a relatively thin disc of metal.
Bolted to the drive plate is the torque converter/flywheel (it is the same thing).
When Rick started Pete's motor at my house the noise sounded like a metal plate banging/resonating on overrun.
My theory is (and was on Tuesday) that the torque converter drive plate is cracked/damaged in some way.
Going by what Rick is now saying I still stick to this theory.
I am quite surprised that the guys at the garage where Pete's truck was last week didn't arrive at this conclusion.
thanks paul mate , im gutted .... if it wasnt for bad luck id have no luck at all ... can this be fixed viably with the bits we allready have ? ..... or do i arrange sallys funeral ?
My take on this.
Bolted to the crank is the torque converter drive plate which is a relatively thin disc of metal.
Bolted to the drive plate is the torque converter/flywheel (it is the same thing).
When Rick started Pete's motor at my house the noise sounded like a metal plate banging/resonating on overrun.
My theory is (and was on Tuesday) that the torque converter drive plate is cracked/damaged in some way.
Going by what Rick is now saying I still stick to this theory.
I am quite surprised that the guys at the garage where Pete's truck was last week didn't arrive at this conclusion.
next question ..... at what point do we say " fuff it " and break it for spares ? ....or can it be fixed viably ?
solarman216
06-05-2010, 20:47
I have decided that this is a better race motor.
solarman216
06-05-2010, 20:55
Try again
I have decided that this is a better race motor.
i fully respect yours/pauls/clives... and the groups decision ...... lets leave it there for now :banghead:banghead:banghead
Try again
Your are never going to get a job in IT :lol
Deleted account DD
06-05-2010, 20:58
....
next question ..... at what point do we say " fuff it " and break it for spares ? ....or can it be fixed viably ?
Chill Pete, it can be fixed. The worse case scenario is we will have to source a torque converter drive plate.
You truck is far too good to even consider breaking it...... I'm sure it would make a great banger for Rick :sly:D
Deleted account DD
06-05-2010, 21:03
I'm sure it would make a great banger for Rick :sly:D
As we speak............................................. ...
solarman216
06-05-2010, 21:04
You are right, pic loaded fine other day, now not having it, problem is I do not have a land line so on mobile network, and it has its moments, it very often during a sesion slows right down and I have to close the system down and restart and all will be well again for a while, Rick
You are right, pic loaded fine other day, now not having it, problem is I do not have a land line so on mobile network, and it has its moments, it very often during a sesion slows right down and I have to close the system down and restart and all will be well again for a while, Rick
hmm..not trying to preach, but if you are on mobile network, are you ensuring the pics you upload are ultra SMALL? I dont mean in screen size, I mean in memory size??
joking apart , is it fairly common for this flywheel to go ? :nenau
dont worry pete, i had an idea it was the drive plate, i did mention it in a earlier post, normally they crack and knock like hell, or the centre tears out, easy to replace, chin up mate. :thumb2
dont worry pete, i had an idea it was the drive plate, i did mention it in a earlier post, normally they crack and knock like hell, or the centre tears out, easy to replace, chin up mate. :thumb2
thanks tezzer mate :thumb2 ... i realise i may be thinking in a negative mode at the moment ( and i mean no disrespect to anyone ) .. but i keep hearing how bullet proof the gearboxes are ( mine foofed up big time ) ok due to a non existant atf cooler , but.... i keep hearing how bulletproof the engine is ......see my point ? hardly instills confidence .... but on a good point .... what else can go wrong once this is fixed ? ( dont answer that lol )
thanks tezzer mate :thumb2 ... i realise i may be thinking in a negative mode at the moment ( and i mean no disrespect to anyone ) .. but i keep hearing how bullet proof the gearboxes are ( mine foofed up big time ) ok due to a non existant atf cooler , but.... i keep hearing how bulletproof the engine is ......see my point ? hardly instills confidence .... but on a good point .... what else can go wrong once this is fixed ? ( dont answer that lol )
on a good point .... im really happy paul thinks she is in good condition and far too good to be scrapped :thumb2
Chill Pete, it can be fixed. The worse case scenario is we will have to source a torque converter drive plate.
You truck is far too good to even consider breaking it...... I'm sure it would make a great banger for Rick :sly:D
if rick wants a banger , i know of a citroen saxo ( my sisters ) that er ... has had the front end " modified " by a wall :augie
extreme-4x4
06-05-2010, 23:56
ok i'll ask the question ...
this flywheel damage. could it be caused by the gearbox change. or not put back right.... only seems odd there was no noise before
probably going to upset some by asking ... but im curious. (not in the zippy way either paul)
ok i'll ask the question ...
this flywheel damage. could it be caused by the gearbox change. or not put back right.... only seems odd there was no noise before
probably going to upset some by asking ... but im curious. (not in the zippy way either paul)
im curious too
solarman216
07-05-2010, 00:02
hmm..not trying to preach, but if you are on mobile network, are you ensuring the pics you upload are ultra SMALL? I dont mean in screen size, I mean in memory size??
You must be right the first pics that loaded OK were 1 meg the ones that did not were 2 meg, will reduce them and have another go tomorrow, thanks, Rick:thumb2
You must be right the first pics that loaded OK were 1 meg the ones that did not were 2 meg, will reduce them and have another go tomorrow, thanks, Rick:thumb2
if you can convert them to j peg format that might help :thumb2
lacroupade
07-05-2010, 00:39
thanks tezzer mate :thumb2 ... i realise i may be thinking in a negative mode at the moment ( and i mean no disrespect to anyone ) .. but i keep hearing how bullet proof the gearboxes are ( mine foofed up big time ) ok due to a non existant atf cooler , but.... i keep hearing how bulletproof the engine is ......see my point ? hardly instills confidence .... but on a good point .... what else can go wrong once this is fixed ? ( dont answer that lol )
No no no....the engine IS bulletproof,no question.
BUT, nobody has ever claimed either gearbox is bulletproof, far from it.
The manual gearbox is prone to having the middle of the clutch plate ripped out sometimes (its the manual Terry means not the auto) and is also prone to other failure.
But LIKE ALL DIESELS the autobox is under a lot more strain than with a petrol engine because of all the extra torque, so is more likely to fail in the longer term. A lot of diesel 4x4 manufacturers don't even offer auto options for that very reason.
Its also why the towing weight for the auto is SIGNIFICANTLY less than the manual box, in an attempt to stop it being overloaded.
The argument/speculation (which turned out to be spot on) was about the noise not being due to engine failure per se.
You must be right the first pics that loaded OK were 1 meg the ones that did not were 2 meg, will reduce them and have another go tomorrow, thanks, Rick:thumb2
yup, too big, you should be looking at way less than a meg. dead easy to do, just re size image to 1024x768 or 800x600, that splenty big enough for a forum then when you save it, save as JPEG, then choose compression level (depends on software, but will probably be in an options box when you are saving), and just notch it down a bit, youll notice the image looks pretty much the same, but MUCH smaller.
No no no....the engine IS bulletproof,no question.
BUT, nobody has ever claimed either gearbox is bulletproof, far from it.
The manual gearbox is prone to having the middle of the clutch plate ripped out sometimes (its the manual Terry means not the auto) and is also prone to other failure.
But LIKE ALL DIESELS the autobox is under a lot more strain than with a petrol engine because of all the extra torque, so is more likely to fail in the longer term. A lot of diesel 4x4 manufacturers don't even offer auto options for that very reason.
Its also why the towing weight for the auto is SIGNIFICANTLY less than the manual box, in an attempt to stop it being overloaded.
The argument/speculation (which turned out to be spot on) was about the noise not being due to engine failure per se.
I think the issue here quite simply, is Pete got very VERY unlucky. it happens, its a shame, and all we can do is put it right.
solarman216
07-05-2010, 09:40
Just a thought here lads, as I have never dealt with Auto boxes so thin drive plates I am not familiar with, but I am beginning to get the picture, if as I suspect this plate has broke then I am very wary of trying to get a used one, for such an important item, so I will call in local Nissan shop today for price and availability, even if dear I would be happier to rely on new in this situation, what are your thoughts, I have been called out on a job today so will not be back till later pm, Rick,,,,,,,,,OK Nissan have come back while typing this, this drive plate is peanuts so ordered one anyway, but down side is they are on back order from Nissan and 21 days delivery!!!!!:nenau:nenau
100% agree with you rick, it's got to be new, have you tried fords? i assume the plate is the same as a maverick, :thumb2
extreme-4x4
07-05-2010, 11:15
ok i'll ask the question ...
this flywheel damage. could it be caused by the gearbox change. or not put back right.... only seems odd there was no noise before
probably going to upset some by asking ... but im curious. (not in the zippy way either paul)
was this a dumb question or something:confused:
Deleted account DD
07-05-2010, 11:19
was this a dumb question or something:confused:
Nope it definitely wasnt.
Problem is though.............prove it!
was this a dumb question or something:confused:
if it was a dumb question , then im dumb too cos i asked it as well:nenau
i know someone who will know though !!!! ( reme mechanics at the base where my son is )..... phone time :naughty
i know someone who will know though !!!! ( reme mechanics at the base where my son is )..... phone time :naughty
his phone just gone straight to answering machine ...... oh well it was an idea :rolleyes:
lacroupade
07-05-2010, 12:00
was this a dumb question or something:confused:
nope and I know where my money is....
extreme-4x4
07-05-2010, 12:55
Nope it definitely wasnt.
Problem is though.............prove it!
so what is the gearbox garages view on it.
we did paypal for all that work . so have comeback if it was a poor job
we seem to have found the cause ( or one of them at least ) of the engine failure , but hang on a mo ,can we definately prove that this drive plate thingy was damaged during the gearbox replacement ?, im as upset as you all are , but lets take a step back and look at possible causes first ..... we are aware that the car was bodged before it was sold, and not serviced.... low oil etc, and was thrashed ( garages view cos it was covered in mud underneath ) off road , im sure rick will examine it carefully with swifty and arrive at a definate conclusion as will paul .... lets wait untill then huh ? :nenau
If we werent willing to take on the original selller , no point in complaining about the mechanics who fitted the box.
Lets just get it fixed shall we ?
lacroupade
07-05-2010, 13:17
we seem to have found the cause ( or one of them at least ) of the engine failure , but hang on a mo ,can we definately prove that this drive plate thingy was damaged during the gearbox replacement ?, im as upset as you all are , but lets take a step back and look at possible causes first ..... we are aware that the car was bodged before it was sold, and not serviced.... low oil etc, and was thrashed ( garages view cos it was covered in mud underneath ) off road , im sure rick will examine it carefully with swifty and arrive at a definate conclusion as will paul .... lets wait untill then huh ? :nenau
Briggie no disrespect mate but its the obvious conclusion.
Google yourself there and back but I doubt you'll find a problem like this documented anywhere......its a first as far as I know. The clutch centre plate problem that Tezzer mentioned is specific to manual gearboxes so isn't in the frame. The flywheel as I'm sure you know is a stonking great piece of ironmongery attached to the engine via the crankshaft - they don't just fall off without some kind of intervention.
anyway, que sera....:cool:
Briggie no disrespect mate but its the obvious conclusion.
Google yourself there and back but I doubt you'll find a problem like this documented anywhere......its a first as far as I know. The clutch centre plate problem that Tezzer mentioned is specific to manual gearboxes so isn't in the frame. The flywheel as I'm sure you know is a stonking great piece of ironmongery attached to the engine via the crankshaft - they don't just fall off without some kind of intervention.
anyway, que sera....:cool:
no disrespect taken my friend.....im just being cautious, but ultimately any decision made will be by paul and the group , and i will totally respect that decision.
kind regards
pete
Briggie no disrespect mate but its the obvious conclusion.
Google yourself there and back but I doubt you'll find a problem like this documented anywhere......its a first as far as I know. The clutch centre plate problem that Tezzer mentioned is specific to manual gearboxes so isn't in the frame. The flywheel as I'm sure you know is a stonking great piece of ironmongery attached to the engine via the crankshaft - they don't just fall off without some kind of intervention.
anyway, que sera....:cool:
paul, i was'nt on about the clutch centre plate, as it's auto it has the drive plate that bolts to the crank, and to the torque converter, and they are known to fail, either crack or spin the centre out, when they crack it sound just like the bottom end has failed/knocking. :thumb2
Timbo_1975
07-05-2010, 14:49
Has the 'box actually been removed from the engine to examine the flex plate ????
- very common for them to crack if the 'box has been left to hang from the engine unsupported.
I dont see any pic's either, assumiung there should be some from reading the posts..
Deleted account DD
07-05-2010, 14:55
If we werent willing to take on the original selller , no point in complaining about the mechanics who fitted the box.
Good point.
paul, i was'nt on about the clutch centre plate, as it's auto it has the drive plate that bolts to the crank, and to the torque converter, and they are known to fail, either crack or spin the centre out, when they crack it sound just like the bottom end has failed/knocking. :thumb2
would it get worse the more you used it untill it finally foofed up then ? ... or would it just suddenly foof the engine up ? :nenau
would it get worse the more you used it untill it finally foofed up then ? ... or would it just suddenly foof the engine up ? :nenau
it should'nt damage the engine at all, when they break it makes a heavy knocking noise so you suspect the engine, i have had one knocking for over a week but it was a car and not a 4x4, i would imagine, with the torque of a diesel it would let go pretty quickly. :thumbs
lacroupade
07-05-2010, 18:10
paul, i was'nt on about the clutch centre plate, as it's auto it has the drive plate that bolts to the crank, and to the torque converter, and they are known to fail, either crack or spin the centre out, when they crack it sound just like the bottom end has failed/knocking. :thumb2
yes i've been looking at a few diagrams and explanations and its still all brain surgery to me Tel :rolleyes:
yes i've been looking at a few diagrams and explanations and its still all brain surgery to me Tel :rolleyes:
so by fitting another gearbox , we could have increased the torque available to this thingie ,and if it had a little hairline crack , it would have got worse when driven ? :nenau
yes i've been looking at a few diagrams and explanations and its still all brain surgery to me Tel :rolleyes:
the drive plate is for all intent and purpose an auto fly wheel and the torque converter is the clutch if you see what i mean, :lol, the torque converter is heavy and acts as a turbine to push auto fluid at extreme pressure into the gearbox through a series of vales and these operate the drive bands, the look a night mare to work on, i have worked on the borg warner boxes used on early fords etc, but they are all work on the same principle,. :doh
so by fitting another gearbox , we could have increased the torque available to this thingie ,and if it had a little hairline crack , it would have got worse when driven ? :nenau
no not really pete, gearbox would be the same, it's proberly down to bad luck to be honest, and yes if it had a hairline crack it would only get worse. :thumbs
Deleted account DD
07-05-2010, 20:43
no not really pete, gearbox would be the same, it's proberly down to bad luck to be honest, and yes if it had a hairline crack it would only get worse. :thumbs
All the more reason for viewing this truck with great suspicion. Once its on the road what's next ffs steering wheel disintegrate at 70mph ? seat foam break down into constituent components and poison the occupants ? air bag detonators 20000% over strength and going off randomly because some cowboy (who did the rad) fitted them off a space rocket and wired them into the switch that "you always wondered what it did" :nenau
Bad luck, unusual faults, anyone seen the film read the book CHRISTINE ? either that or its plain & simple a lemon. Swap it :naughty
I'm not being negative just practical and realistic. I think its fair to say the unfortunate owner has not got bottomless pockets and its not a particularly cheap motor to run even if 100% reliable.
solarman216
07-05-2010, 20:51
100% agree with you rick, it's got to be new, have you tried fords? i assume the plate is the same as a maverick, :thumb2
Yes tried Ford local dealer, but really they just made motions that in the end they would source from Nissan anyway, as it is not a proper ford part, but could not prove that as the wanted full details, and as soon as I said it was a Mistral they decided that they could not look it up on their system anyway, so will wait till Monday when we get it out, incidently have you experience of these yourself, is it better to remove the box or the engine, to get the engine out you have to remove the front diff but have not tried removing a box as yet, Rick
Yes tried Ford local dealer, but really they just made motions that in the end they would source from Nissan anyway, as it is not a proper ford part, but could not prove that as the wanted full details, and as soon as I said it was a Mistral they decided that they could not look it up on their system anyway, so will wait till Monday when we get it out, incidently have you experience of these yourself, is it better to remove the box or the engine, to get the engine out you have to remove the front diff but have not tried removing a box as yet, Rick
hi rick, i hav'nt any experience with the nissan auto box, only the borg warner and the c4 boxes ford used in the 70' 80's, i do know it's easier to remove the box rather than the engine, and make sure the torque converter stays on the gearbox splines, i assume you remove the starter motor and undo the bolts holding torque converter to drive plate, as on the earlier boxes.
solarman216
07-05-2010, 23:02
hi rick, i hav'nt any experience with the nissan auto box, only the borg warner and the c4 boxes ford used in the 70' 80's, i do know it's easier to remove the box rather than the engine, and make sure the torque converter stays on the gearbox splines, i assume you remove the starter motor and undo the bolts holding torque converter to drive plate, as on the earlier boxes.
Point taken it is just that after removing the engine on my Terrano and finding that there is not space to bring it forward to get it of the box, we looked at moving the box back but it is a masive lump and so many bits to remove we looked again hard and decided that if we remove the front diff it will just come out, and it did with all the weight on the hoist easy to control rather than a trolley jack under the vehicle with a heavy imballanced lump, also been looking at the manual re drive plate, looks to me like the ring gear is part of the bit that is broke, the part that the parts guy was describing looks more like the stiffner plate, manual EM page 83, so could be a fair bit dearer than the plate guy quoated, whatever it will still be better to get new but poss delivery will be shorted for this part as opposed to other bit, when we get it out I will take pics so all can see, Rick
ok rick, look forward to the pictures. :thumb2
solarman216
07-05-2010, 23:12
Has the 'box actually been removed from the engine to examine the flex plate ????
- very common for them to crack if the 'box has been left to hang from the engine unsupported.
I dont see any pic's either, assumiung there should be some from reading the posts..
Hi yes there will be pic's as soon as we get the offending bits off, just been a bit busy at the moment, and now trying to decide the best course of action, ie remove the box or the engine, I cannot afford to occupy the workshop for 21 days while waiting for spares, and if the box is removed ie slid back without removing the torsion bars the vehicle may be hard to move out of the way if we remove the engine then the motor is more mobile but looks like more work, yes agreed if the box was left hanging on the plate it will have bent it and failure will result??? Rick
ok rick, look forward to the pictures. :thumb2
thanks rick mate :thumb2
hows the cars going on for the race meet ?
hows the cars going on for the race meet ?
enjoy the race meet mate , and take some piccies :thumb2
Excuse my ignorance, but does this broken drive plate being the offending item and the source of the noise mean that a new engine is not required?:nenau
Ian.
Excuse my ignorance, but does this broken drive plate being the offending item and the source of the noise mean that a new engine is not required?:nenau
Ian.
i was thinking the same thing. but it sounds like even if that is the case, the engine may have to come out anyway, and this new one is much lower miles, plus moneys spent, one of them awkward situations i think!
extreme-4x4
08-05-2010, 11:41
Excuse my ignorance, but does this broken drive plate being the offending item and the source of the noise mean that a new engine is not required?:nenau
Ian.
thats my thought yes ,
im not commenting on the way forward with the engine, i didnt agree with it when the noise issue started. i didnt agree with the new engine purchase ... and didnt put in to the fund because of that. so its only fair i keep out
the gearbox i did put in , and had a say. and for my money ( quite literally ) the garage that did the gearbox should be sorting out this clutch/flywheel issue now. but as daved says proof would be required
Excuse my ignorance, but does this broken drive plate being the offending item and the source of the noise mean that a new engine is not required?:nenau
Ian.
as far as i understand it ( and been informed ) .. the engine can be returned for its purchase price minus a percentage ( which i will re imburse if needed so funds are returned back to the club )
this flywheel/drive plate wotsit ..... its made out of metal i guess .... couldnt a engineering place make one ?
just found this on fleabay , ok it for a micra , but they do other ones as well .. is it worth a try rick ?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NISSAN-MICRA-160mm-COMPETITION-KEVLARTEK-DRIVE-PLATE-/260548842092?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3ca9ebd26c
just found this on fleabay , ok it for a micra , but they do other ones as well .. is it worth a try rick ?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NISSAN-MICRA-160mm-COMPETITION-KEVLARTEK-DRIVE-PLATE-/260548842092?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3ca9ebd26c
says we also supply car clubs :thumb2
rayf3262
09-05-2010, 17:30
just found this on fleabay , ok it for a micra , but they do other ones as well .. is it worth a try rick ?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NISSAN-MICRA-160mm-COMPETITION-KEVLARTEK-DRIVE-PLATE-/260548842092?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3ca9ebd26c
I think the part in question (the flex plate) will have the ring gear for the starter, the torque converter then bolts onto this, It will probably look something like this:
just found this on fleabay , ok it for a micra , but they do other ones as well .. is it worth a try rick ?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NISSAN-MICRA-160mm-COMPETITION-KEVLARTEK-DRIVE-PLATE-/260548842092?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3ca9ebd26c
No Pete, that is a clutch and your truck doesn't have one :doh
No Pete, that is a clutch and your truck doesn't have one :doh
yeah i know that paul , but they might have one of those thingies
yeah i know that paul , but they might have one of those thingies
Their eBay name is clutch.gearboxltd and they advertise as being Clutch Specialists... so I doubt it :augie ;)
Their eBay name is clutch.gearboxltd and they advertise as being Clutch Specialists... so I doubt it :augie ;)
oh well :(
solarman216
10-05-2010, 21:30
or in this case the crankshaft and the flywheel, if it loads ok you should see a short video of the crank turning with flywheel stationary this is using an endoscope it through the starter hole cannot tell at this stage if it is the bolts sheered or plate broke, what we can say is there were many bell housing bolts missing, radiator had one bolt in it, lots of other bolts loose or missing!!!!, here goes for the video,,, sorry anyone know how to make 2 mb video smaller or maybe we cannot load vid on here, Rick
or in this case the crankshaft and the flywheel, if it loads ok you should see a short video of the crank turning with flywheel stationary this is using an endoscope it through the starter hole cannot tell at this stage if it is the bolts sheered or plate broke, what we can say is there were many bell housing bolts missing, radiator had one bolt in it, lots of other bolts loose or missing!!!!, here goes for the video,
can i cry now ? :rolleyes:
MudLifeCrisis
10-05-2010, 21:38
what we can say is there were many bell housing bolts missing, radiator had one bolt in it, lots of other bolts loose or missing!!!!, ,
That sounds bad , is that from the last fix?
or in this case the crankshaft and the flywheel, if it loads ok you should see a short video of the crank turning with flywheel stationary this is using an endoscope it through the starter hole cannot tell at this stage if it is the bolts sheered or plate broke, what we can say is there were many bell housing bolts missing, radiator had one bolt in it, lots of other bolts loose or missing!!!!, here goes for the video,
clivvy will know :thumb2
extreme-4x4
10-05-2010, 21:46
or in this case the crankshaft and the flywheel, if it loads ok you should see a short video of the crank turning with flywheel stationary this is using an endoscope it through the starter hole cannot tell at this stage if it is the bolts sheered or plate broke, what we can say is there were many bell housing bolts missing, radiator had one bolt in it, lots of other bolts loose or missing!!!!, here goes for the video,,, sorry anyone know how to make 2 mb video smaller or maybe we cannot load vid on here, Rick
pop it on youtube. or photobucket.... then link to here or email it to bat and he can add it
extreme-4x4
10-05-2010, 21:50
thats my thought yes ,
im not commenting on the way forward with the engine, i didnt agree with it when the noise issue started. i didnt agree with the new engine purchase ... and didnt put in to the fund because of that. so its only fair i keep out
the gearbox i did put in , and had a say. and for my money ( quite literally ) the garage that did the gearbox should be sorting out this clutch/flywheel issue now. but as daved says proof would be required
hmmm
so on a scale of 1 to 10 ...... 1 being totally foofed ..... whats sallys chances ? :nenau
zippy656
10-05-2010, 21:58
im sure shell roll again...
solarman216
10-05-2010, 22:00
Guess so, anyway engine will be out in the morning, not a lot to photograph at the moment, all unbolted, bits off that to be off, ready for the lift, Rick
ok this is a still from the vid crank on the right, flywheel on the left the two are not connected.
solarman216
10-05-2010, 22:06
Guess so, anyway engine will be out in the morning, not a lot to photograph at the moment, all unbolted, bits off that to be off, ready for the lift, Rick
solarman216
10-05-2010, 22:16
This is Briggies flywheel you can turn it with your fingers, Rick, I will try and send Vid to Bat.
i thankyou for all the hard work and time you have done so far mate ..... in your honest opinion .. is sally viably fixable ?
i reckon the centre has torn out, so pete i dont see why it cant be fixed mate, :thumb2
i reckon the centre has torn out, so pete i dont see why it cant be fixed mate, :thumb2
does that mean a new bit ? :doh
MudLifeCrisis
10-05-2010, 22:56
Maybe Rick can link the two engines to make a 5.4 litre straight eight.
i guess what im asking is ..... is this a fairly easy/cheap repair ?.. is it a viable repair ?,..... is it a fairly quick repair bearing in mind all the time rick and swifty have spent so far ? ...... i really dont want to be a nuisance but im thinking of the group and rick also .
many kind regards
pete
solarman216
10-05-2010, 23:05
One little bit of broken metal is not going to keep it off the road, lets wait and see what it looks like when I have it in my grubby little hands, new one from Nissan forget it, they have not got one anyway, we have an excellent gearbox Co not far, they will be my first port of call, if they can't help we have several engineering shops, and aside from that I have a drive plate off of a generator set, brand new if it is big enough, may be able to do something with that, but I will not be recommending the 4 X 4 garage in Elland to anyone,, been looking at the oil cooler they fitted, the fins (air flow) are vertical, not a lot of cooling there, Rick:thumb2:thumb2
does that mean a new bit ? :doh
yes mate.:doh
MudLifeCrisis
10-05-2010, 23:10
I think the garage should be told about this , maybe they should be refunding some of the costs
solarman216
10-05-2010, 23:11
Maybe Rick can link the two engines to make a 5.4 litre straight eight.
Now there is an idea
One little bit of broken metal is not going to keep it off the road, lets wait and see what it looks like when I have it in my grubby little hands, new one from Nissan forget it, they have not got one anyway, we have an excellent gearbox Co not far, they will be my first port of call, if they can't help we have several engineering shops, and aside from that I have a drive plate off of a generator set, brand new if it is big enough, may be able to do something with that, but I will not be recommending the 4 X 4 garage in Elland to anyone,, been looking at the oil cooler they fitted, the fins (air flow) are vertical, not a lot of cooling there, Rick:thumb2:thumb2
ok , at a stretch i can just about afford this if it helps ...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NISSAN-MISTRAL-RADIATOR-NEW-2-7-TD-94-98-IMPORT-/250215137684?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3a41fc0194
MudLifeCrisis
10-05-2010, 23:18
Now there is an idea
strangely I have vision of you spending all night working out if that is possible ;O)
All the best Rick , what you are doing is brilliant.
Brian
shall i get that radiator rick ( subject to clearance from sheila )?
MudLifeCrisis
10-05-2010, 23:27
Rick was talking about the oil cooler not the rad.
best to wait until the engines out , then Rick will have a shopping list.
Brian
Rick was talking about the oil cooler not the rad.
best to wait until the engines out , then Rick will have a shopping list.
Brian
that has the oil cooler built in ..... ie the proper rad
MudLifeCrisis
10-05-2010, 23:30
Sorry didn't notice.
Would still be inclined to wait to see what is wrong once the engine is out.
Rick was talking about the oil cooler not the rad.
best to wait until the engines out , then Rick will have a shopping list.
Brian
i really hope he doesnt have a shopping list , im trying my best to keep sheila interested in this , she wants me to get rid and buy something else instead :doh
MudLifeCrisis
11-05-2010, 00:09
Would it be worth seeing if there are any black cab breakers around if they run the same engine ?
Must be loads of them around , maybe share the same gearbox etc
just a thought
solarman216
11-05-2010, 01:08
Would it be worth seeing if there are any black cab breakers around if they run the same engine ?
Must be loads of them around , maybe share the same gearbox etc
just a thought
Now that is an idea, not a mile away is a small firm who deal in black cabs, will pop in tomorrow, and make some enquiries, Rick
zippy656
11-05-2010, 05:53
Rick, while your there see if they know how to get more MPG!!
Now that is an idea, not a mile away is a small firm who deal in black cabs, will pop in tomorrow, and make some enquiries, Rick
is this the place rick ?
http://www.justtaxis.com/contact_us.htm
just rung one place , and they suggested metal spraying and machining .. they said it would be better than new ...... is that true ?
just rung one place , and they suggested metal spraying and machining .. they said it would be better than new ...... is that true ?
sounds like a bodge to me , but i dunno :nenau
is this the place rick ?
http://www.justtaxis.com/contact_us.htm
this place is near me, i have just rung them and im waiting on a call back.:thumbs
ok, just spoke to just taxi's, part will be in tomorrow but the price is £188.79+ vat, :eek:
solarman216
11-05-2010, 11:02
is this the place rick ?
http://www.justtaxis.com/contact_us.htm
Sorry Briggie I live in BEXHILL on SEA East SUSSEX, Not ESSEX.
As for metal spraying you might as well put sticky plaster on it, Rick
ok, just spoke to just taxi's, part will be in tomorrow but the price is £188.79+ vat, :eek:
i can raise £100 ... but gotta clear it with sheila :o
i can raise £100 ... but gotta clear it with sheila :o
in fact in 5 weeks time i could raise it all :thumb2
solarman216
11-05-2010, 12:39
ok, just spoke to just taxi's, part will be in tomorrow but the price is £188.79+ vat, :eek:
Better than £481.00 plus Vat from Nissan and they have not got one anyway. Rick
Unless I've missed something we haven't got the gear box (or engine) out yet.
Would it not be a wise move to wait until we see the 'whole picture' before deciding what to do?
Sorry I missed your call Pete, had to take dad to the docs.
Better than £481.00 plus Vat from Nissan and they have not got one anyway. Rick
will that definately fix it rick ? :nenau
just rung one place , and they suggested metal spraying and machining .. they said it would be better than new ...... is that true ?
We do metal spraying in our place, the process involves blasting plasma (molten metal particles) onto the the component which can then be machined afterwords.
I would not trust this to be used in a gearbox as it is possible that through time and wear the applied metal spray could part company with the parent component with disasterous results.
We use it in the aircraft industry to create to create a seal within the compressor of a jet engine, its a soft material (not to the touch) that the aerofoils bed themselves into with centrafugal force creating a seal at the tip of the blades to give the enginge the thrust for take off.
Unless I've missed something we haven't got the gear box (or engine) out yet.
Would it not be a wise move to wait until we see the 'whole picture' before deciding what to do?
Sorry I missed your call Pete, had to take dad to the docs.
hope hes ok mate :thumb2
solarman216
11-05-2010, 18:17
OK, it's all happening at the moment, getting some informative pictures going, and formulating a plan of action, its good news anyway, watch this space, I could do with some cash for oil. filters, bolts, flywheel etc, if this could be arranged? would be nice as had to fork out a fair bit at the moment on some other jobs, it will all come back but its left me short right now, Rick
OK, it's all happening at the moment, getting some informative pictures going, and formulating a plan of action, its good news anyway, watch this space, I could do with some cash for oil. filters, bolts, flywheel etc, if this could be arranged? would be nice as had to fork out a fair bit at the moment on some other jobs, it will all come back but its left me short right now, Rick
pm me rick , i will try and send you some money tomorrow affy , but need to know how much first to see if i can afford it just now ... need your paypal address too , .... i like good news ..... you care to share ?
OK, it's all happening at the moment, getting some informative pictures going, and formulating a plan of action, its good news anyway, watch this space, I could do with some cash for oil. filters, bolts, flywheel etc, if this could be arranged? would be nice as had to fork out a fair bit at the moment on some other jobs, it will all come back but its left me short right now, Rick
rick shouldnt have to ask ............ have we not agreed that his costs should be defrayed as and when ???????
Deleted account DD
11-05-2010, 19:34
rick shouldnt have to ask ............ have we not agreed that his costs should be defrayed as and when ???????
Very good question I understood the kitty was covering it, is that now exhausted?
lacroupade
11-05-2010, 19:55
not as exhausted as i am....
Deleted account DD
11-05-2010, 19:59
not as exhausted as i am....
with.........................
not christine as well :lol:lol:lol
solarman216
11-05-2010, 20:25
First view of fluid flywheel.
lacroupade
11-05-2010, 20:25
you don't get me that easy! :naughty
...but it looks like Briggie will have to cancel his holiday this year....
solarman216
11-05-2010, 20:28
Dirty engine bay, notice the Auto dip stick tube bracket that is the position it was in, no bolt through that
solarman216
11-05-2010, 20:30
Fluid flywheel coming off,
solarman216
11-05-2010, 20:34
Worn spigot, will need to machine this up, it's only function is to line up fluid flywheel prior to bolt location in drive plate, if it is a sloppy fit the FF will be out of balance.
solarman216
11-05-2010, 20:36
Drive plate bent!!!
solarman216
11-05-2010, 20:38
Still fixed to the engine.
solarman216
11-05-2010, 20:40
Removal
Deleted account DD
11-05-2010, 20:41
Is it fair to say that at some point in the past this car has had major work done and hasnt been put back together properly :confused:
solarman216
11-05-2010, 20:45
This is the part that the spigot when machined will go into, this part will be machined as well, enlarged to accept the new spigot after fitted with a sleeve.
Timbo_1975
11-05-2010, 20:45
Erm where is the center gone off the flex plate?!?!
solarman216
11-05-2010, 20:47
Now where did the good one on the left come from, not far away and at £50.00 cash was a steal, so we are pretty near home and dry.
solarman216
11-05-2010, 20:50
These are the three bolts holding bell housing to engine, and the two long ones are not originals.:nenau:nenau
Now where did the good one on the left come from, not far away and at £50.00 cash was a steal, so we are pretty near home and dry.
what a bargain, here we go pete things are looking up mate. :thumb2:lol
solarman216
11-05-2010, 21:03
OK Hi all , think you will all agree a great result, tomorrow we will de grease the engine, and jet wash the engine bay, drop the sump, (oil leaks), remove the rocker cover (oil leaks) order new seal for gearbox spigot, fit new nut and sealer to stud with missing nut under inlet manifold (water leak), although the water pump housing has leaked in the past it looks to have some fresh sealer without rust marks on so can assume it has been attended to, will see it better after cleaning, No air cleaner was fitted, so will need air & oil filters, while the Auto oil cooler is not in the best position it will function reasonably and Briggie will not be towing (no tow bar), absolutely could not believe my luck when I went back to a local garage and they found this drive plate (used) but been on their shelf for years, it was only one guy who new it was there and he just happened to hear my tale of woe, what a result, oh and yes Briggie we are doing the filter on the pump, Rick:thumb2:thumb2:thumb2:thumb2
i cant believe the stuff youre doing rick, ts just fantastic. also cant believe what you have found, water leaks, oil leaks, NO AIR FILTER? unbelievable..!! this car should be good as new when you've done with it!
zippy656
11-05-2010, 21:09
sounds great news
well done guys..
Briggie will be able to do a grand tour
solarman216
11-05-2010, 21:31
Is it fair to say that at some point in the past this car has had major work done and hasnt been put back together properly :confused:
Yes a gearbox replacement paid for by the club, they did not unbolt the fluid flywheel from the drive plate, and so when replacing the box bent the drive plate in the process, (its a heavy box and this is the incorrect way to do it) if the FF is fitted to the box first then offered up the spigot enters the plate on the crank and centers the shaft then fit bell housing bolts, then the 4 bolts to FF = no chance of damage, but they definately did not do it that way, also only three of the four main bell housing bolts were fitted and not very tight at that, I think there should be some kind of come back on the garage, but that is not for me to say, these things are not pleasant and I can't deal with that kind of stuff, without losing my rag and then things go bad, sorry its just not something I can do, Rick:nenau:nenau
These are the three bolts holding bell housing to engine, and the two long ones are not originals.:nenau:nenau
erm how many should there be rick ?
felixthelogchopper
11-05-2010, 21:34
Yes a gearbox replacement paid for by the club, they did not unbolt the fluid flywheel from the drive plate, and so when replacing the box bent the drive plate in the process, (its a heavy box and this is the incorrect way to do it) if the FF is fitted to the box first then offered up the spigot enters the plate on the crank and centers the shaft then fit bell housing bolts, then the 4 bolts to FF = no chance of damage, but they definately did not do it that way, also only three of the four main bell housing bolts were fitted and not very tight at that, I think there should be some kind of come back on the garage, but that is not for me to say, these things are not pleasant and I can't deal with that kind of stuff, without losing my rag and then things go bad, sorry its just not something I can do, Rick:nenau:nenau
Looks like we need to have a word with the garage then. That should aid the finances a bit :augie
Deleted account DD
11-05-2010, 21:34
Yes a gearbox replacement paid for by the club, they did not unbolt the fluid flywheel from the drive plate, and so when replacing the box bent the drive plate in the process, (its a heavy box and this is the incorrect way to do it) if the FF is fitted to the box first then offered up the spigot enters the plate on the crank and centers the shaft then fit bell housing bolts, then the 4 bolts to FF = no chance of damage, but they definately did not do it that way, also only three of the four main bell housing bolts were fitted and not very tight at that, I think there should be some kind of come back on the garage, but that is not for me to say, these things are not pleasant and I can't deal with that kind of stuff, without losing my rag and then things go bad, sorry its just not something I can do, Rick:nenau:nenau
Thanks Rick. I tried to work the question tactfully :augie
Friendly word in their ear to start maybe??
Deleted account DD
11-05-2010, 21:36
Thats spooky felix :eek:
solarman216
11-05-2010, 21:41
erm how many should there be rick ?
Suprisingly only 4 and two dowls but that does mean you have lost a quarter of the holding power, and as the other three were almost loose ???????: doh:doh:doh
Suprisingly only 4 and two dowls but that does mean you have lost a quarter of the holding power, and as the other three were almost loose ???????: doh:doh:doh
and i drove that with the grandkids in ? :eek:
has arrangements been made to get money to rick for the things he needs?
has arrangements been made to get money to rick for the things he needs?
ive asked rick for his paypal addy so i can try and send him something
felixthelogchopper
11-05-2010, 21:51
Thats spooky felix :eek:
Had my Caparo v Dickman head on :naughty
good these two guys have been amazing is there funds left to send as well, also briggie i think at some point the post left in the good garage thingy for that other lot should be removed lol
Just spoke to Rick.
Some cash is winging its way down the wire to Rick as I type.
I will be ringing Bridgefield 4x4 (who fitted the gearbox a few weeks ago) tomorrow and will certainly be expecting a refund of some of the cash that was paid for the original job.
Nissan1st (who we bought the replacement engine from) will accept a return of the engine minus a small fee for handling etc.
It is looking good, many thanks to Swifty and Rick for 'making it happen' :clap
Just spoke to Rick.
Some cash is winging its way down the wire to Rick as I type.
I will be ringing Bridgefield 4x4 (who fitted the gearbox a few weeks ago) tomorrow and will certainly be expecting a refund of some of the cash that was paid for the original job.
Nissan1st (who we bought the replacement engine from) will accept a return of the engine minus a small fee for handling etc.
It is looking good, many thanks to Swifty and Rick for 'making it happen' :clap
many many many sincere thanks to you all , i guess i thought that all people where the same and ive been proved dramatically wrong , i hope you all dont think any less of me for not being able to physically do this myself and having to rely on garages / superstars for assistance .
MudLifeCrisis
11-05-2010, 22:37
Sorry Briggie I live in BEXHILL on SEA East SUSSEX, Rick
I've been there :O)
extreme-4x4
11-05-2010, 22:49
...
I've been there :O)
landrover broke down then did it ? :augie
MudLifeCrisis
11-05-2010, 22:52
landrover broke down then did it ? :augie
As if ;O)
Deleted account DD
11-05-2010, 22:58
Had my Caparo v Dickman head on :naughty
never even heard of them until Ive just been on google, i'm criminal .....if you know what I mean ;) :thumb2
if its been run without a air filter , what will that do ? . will it mess the turbo up or summat ? or wont it make any difference ? :nenau
if its been run without a air filter , what will that do ? . will it mess the turbo up or summat ? or wont it make any difference ? :nenau
the reason i ask is , when i used to race motorbikes back in the late 70s , my mechanic removed my air filter for one race .. it sounded very noisy , but went like a rocket
Deleted account DD
11-05-2010, 23:16
if its been run without a air filter , what will that do ? . will it mess the turbo up or summat ? or wont it make any difference ? :nenau
It may quite possibly have caused damage. Only time will tell. My mates 700 series turbo'd volvo screwed up after a connection down stream of the filter came loose, he didnt relaise it and ran it for a year plus with unfiltered air going in.
The analogy the mechanic made was that it was like chucking a handful of sand in every few weeks. OTT maybe but the principle is the same.
I would suggest this vehicle is checked out and serviced very very thoroughly very soon , check all details such compression etc. Then you'll have an idea what , if and when the next problem may be :thumb2
It may quite possibly have caused damage. Only time will tell. My mates 700 series turbo'd volvo screwed up after a connection down stream of the filter came loose, he didnt relaise it and ran it for a year plus with unfiltered air going in.
The analogy the mechanic made was that it was like chucking a handful of sand in every few weeks. OTT maybe but the principle is the same.
I would suggest this vehicle is checked out and serviced very very thoroughly very soon , check all details such compression etc. Then you'll have an idea what , if and when the next problem may be :thumb2
cheers mate :thumb2
felixthelogchopper
11-05-2010, 23:32
never even heard of them until Ive just been on google, i'm criminal .....if you know what I mean ;) :thumb2
Get tortious, the change will do you good :lol
Deleted account DD
12-05-2010, 00:29
Get tortious, the change will do you good :lol
If it makes good money I could be tempted in a few years time :thumb2
felixthelogchopper
12-05-2010, 07:44
If it makes good money I could be tempted in a few years time :thumb2
I hope it does, because my tutor reckons that I have a suitably devious mind :augie
solarman216
12-05-2010, 11:23
Now we are making some progress with Sally, some thought would be appreciated regarding returning Briggies car to him, If I run it up, it means two cars and two drivers, also it will mean an overnight for two, not averse to a night out, but not just yet, unless there is a more social reason, like a big group get together?:clap:clap, anyway leave it with you all for comments:thumb2:thumb2 Rick
Deleted account DD
12-05-2010, 11:26
Time for a run out in the disco with shiela eh Briggie? day at the sea side :thumb2
Now we are making some progress with Sally, some thought would be appreciated regarding returning Briggies car to him, If I run it up, it means two cars and two drivers, also it will mean an overnight for two, not averse to a night out, but not just yet, unless there is a more social reason, like a big group get together?:clap:clap, anyway leave it with you all for comments:thumb2:thumb2 Rick
sent you a pm rick , but badically ive found a car hire firm ( enterprise ) who have a base in your town too , i can hire a car one way for one day unlimited mileage for £84 .... problem is it will be a micra or fiesta to keep fuel economy down , also i have to get down there in one day , however once there with sally i will be going via norfolk , so i could crash out in the caravan on my way back so i could pull over between your place and norfolk for a rest anytime , but id need a lift from the enterprise base in your town to your workshop as the hire car wont be big enough to take my wheelchair .. is that ok rick ?
many kind regards
pete
Deleted account DD
12-05-2010, 11:35
We use enterprise (amongst others)all of the time. They will pick up and drop off. £84 for a day is taking the piss for a micra size car. Negotiate with them if they can come down less than £25 a day for a vectra (as they were) you should be able to shift them from £84. Thers also not a lot on a run in economy between a micra/fiesta and octavia/mondeo/vectra turbo diesel. We regularly recorded the high 40's in all of them at aheemm mph with cruise set. My missus seat ibiza whihc is as economical as the cars you mention can only manage something around that.
We use enterprise (amongst others)all of the time. They will pick up and drop off. £84 for a day is taking the piss for a micra size car. Negotiate with them if they can come down less than £25 a day for a vectra (as they were) you should be able to shift them from £84
they said its cos of unlimited mileage , plus its one way hire ..... they have a surcharge for that it seems
they said its cos of unlimited mileage , plus its one way hire ..... they have a surcharge for that it seems
also dont forget , it has to be auto :rolleyes:
before anyone asks ..... sheila hates motorways and isnt very confident on them ..... the easiest ( and cheapest ) option is a 1 way hire car...forget the train , ive checked lol id rather rick didnt drive up here again as i think the guy allready has done a hell of a lot of hard work , and used a lot of his time allready , plus this way it kills 3 birds with one stone so to speak , i get a lovely long run in sally , it saves ricks time , plus i get to check on the caravan and chill out there :thumb2
Deleted account DD
12-05-2010, 11:49
They have autos at no extra cost, Ive never seen one of their hires NOT on unlimited mileage, they can waive the one way fee if they want to (they dont return the car to where you picked it up its just simple stock rotation).
Trust me been there negotiated with them many times.
The most recent back end of last year when a large van with tail lift was listed at several hundred for the weekend. I laughed at them and got ready to walk out and eventually all in Friday afternoon to 10 am Monday £125 .
Their policy is to have the vehicles out on the road as much as possible so long as theyre not making a loss. Admittedly our car park at times used to have several 2 litre (or was it 2.2 litre) vectra diesel sri's in black all parked up which I'm sure got some discount but......
They were costing between £15 and £20 a day on short term no contract hire unlimited mileage. Shortest I have had one for was about 8 hours and the longest just under a week. I've been all over the country in them. All you have to be careful of is to fill em up before you hand them back if you dont the surcharge is high.
Youve made a tentative enquiry and they've gone whoopee, don't think he knows much about car hire and quoted you tops.
Trust me briggie and push them.
Deleted account DD
12-05-2010, 11:54
Briggie Ive just checked up and a colleague of mine a short while back had a corsa from them @ £14 a day open ended hire. ie she could take it back the same day or a month later. Unlimited mileage but covered by her own ins. It was a private hire ie not through work she managed by negotiating with them :thumb2
Ive arranged my ins for a day at times or put an additional car on when mines off the road and its always been an "admin fee" to pay of around £10 to £15
Enterprise have their eyes firmly on your pockets on this one.
(and as youll have worked out they get as little of mine as possible :) )
Briggie Ive just checked up and a colleague of mine a short while back had a corsa from them @ £14 a day open ended hire. ie she could take it back the same day or a month later. Unlimited mileage but covered by her own ins. It was a private hire ie not through work she managed by negotiating with them :thumb2
Ive arranged my ins for a day at times or put an additional car on when mines off the road and its always been an "admin fee" to pay of around £10 to £15
Enterprise have their eyes firmly on your pockets on this one.
(and as youll have worked out they get as little of mine as possible :) )
just rung them again and asked if thats the best they could do as i felt the urine was being extracted from head office ........ they said the best they could do was £82
lacroupade
12-05-2010, 12:00
It may quite possibly have caused damage. Only time will tell. My mates 700 series turbo'd volvo screwed up after a connection down stream of the filter came loose, he didnt relaise it and ran it for a year plus with unfiltered air going in.
The analogy the mechanic made was that it was like chucking a handful of sand in every few weeks. OTT maybe but the principle is the same.
I would suggest this vehicle is checked out and serviced very very thoroughly very soon , check all details such compression etc. Then you'll have an idea what , if and when the next problem may be :thumb2
I suspect it won't have hurt much for two reasons (one of which relies on my poor memory!)....firstly the standard airbox pulls its air in from the inner wing which is a bit more enclosed than the engine bay, and secondly I'm not sure how long it would run properly like that. I have a distant memory of going on a trip in France and leaving my K&N off by mistake....after a few miles the car started to run really sluggishly and kept conking out.....in the end I realised what the problem was and cable-tied a wad of rag over the inlet which got me home.....maybe the ECU just decides it can't cope with the amount of airflow or something??
Deleted account DD
12-05-2010, 12:01
How generous of them...........
Deleted account DD
12-05-2010, 12:07
I suspect it won't have hurt much for two reasons (one of which relies on my poor memory!)....firstly the standard airbox pulls its air in from the inner wing which is a bit more enclosed than the engine bay, and secondly I'm not sure how long it would run properly like that. I have a distant memory of going on a trip in France and leaving my K&N off by mistake....after a few miles the car started to run really sluggishly and kept conking out.....in the end I realised what the problem was and cable-tied a wad of rag over the inlet which got me home.....maybe the ECU just decides it can't cope with the amount of airflow or something??
Ahhh I think your theory is right (memory starting to kick in), I remember on my old mkI astra gte it ground to a halt one day because the pipe form the back of the airbox came adrift and the air flow meter got totally confused and shut things down.
I was well worried as the car was about 2 weeks old with only a few hundred miles on the clock and I was in the woolie backs (middleton in teesdale) but I opened bonnet and there was this great tube flapping about........phew.
The volvo I mention must have been trying to act hard. ;)
thifty car hire have just quoted me £102 for a golf ( their best price !!!!
:jesterbg
Deleted account DD
12-05-2010, 12:16
Bloody hell...........I'll shut up and stick to out local one :sly
Just thinking about the unlimited mileage bit, surely you dont need that if its costing ? you know how far it is ?
lacroupade
12-05-2010, 12:25
Bloody hell...........I'll shut up and stick to out local one :sly
Just thinking about the unlimited mileage bit, surely you dont need that if its costing ? you know how far it is ?
I suspect theres a medical loading as well though Dave.
ok , ive rung 5 car hire companies .....only enterprise have a base in ricks town , which means i drop the car off there , not in guildford /heathrow etc .....best they can do is £82 .. so at the mo thats not bad , just rung sheila and shes happy with that , enterprise is by far the cheapest too
as i mentioned previously .....just before the car broke down i was going up a long hill quite fast :augie , i noticed a strong smell of hot oil , is that normal , or because of this problem ?
lacroupade
12-05-2010, 18:00
what do you think? :augie
what do you think? :augie
me giving it some stick ?
Hi Briggie, I'm in Eastbourne which is only a few miles from Bexhill, any hire companies got a depot here ? might help !!
cheers
Steve
Hi Briggie, I'm in Eastbourne which is only a few miles from Bexhill, any hire companies got a depot here ? might help !!
cheers
Steve
best one ( and by far the cheapest ) seems to be enterprise at the mo , and they have a depot in bexhill
solarman216
12-05-2010, 18:49
Hi all, latest update, engine bay and engine cleaned, sump been off, one big end pulled, and put straight back, no problems at all, sump was clean no sludge, oil filter changed, crank spigot locator plate bored out to 22 mm & 22 mm sleeve fitted to fluid flywheel, was hoping to be ready for weekend but Nissan say gearbox first motion shaft oil seal is 6 day delivery = early next week:nenau:nenau, have tried other spares agents but say nissan part only, cant believe that, if anyone can help it is made by NOK number BH2345G, was not willing to put box back without changing it as leak later from here undoes all we are doing, will put a couple of pics on later, rocker cover gasket and wheel stud will be here Friday, Rick ps will try local gearbox co tomorrow.
thanks for the update rick mate ..... has sally been behaving well ? :thumb2
extreme-4x4
12-05-2010, 19:15
so could the sussex people meet up in bexhill at the weekend. we could all have a look at sally
solarman216
12-05-2010, 19:24
so could the sussex people meet up in bexhill at the weekend. we could all have a look at sally
Don't see why not, Rick
I could find a bit of time,
cheers
Steve
solarman216
12-05-2010, 22:47
I could find a bit of time,
cheers
Steve
Any others in or willing to travel to Sussex for a weekend meet, and see Briggies "Sally" at the same time? Rick
solarman216
12-05-2010, 22:50
Re bored crank spigot locator & sleeved spigot on fluid flywheel.
solarman216
12-05-2010, 22:52
On the lathe.
MudLifeCrisis
12-05-2010, 23:02
You've got a lathe .... RESPECT
Wouldn't catch your local Nissan /Ford dealer doing that.
Brian
extreme-4x4
12-05-2010, 23:05
saturday or sunday
saturday or sunday
can i go to ? :lol
can i go to ? :lol
actually joking apart , i couldnt come down this weekend anyway , someone is in the caravan ,but they are due out next friday , then its free untill monday , then its booked for 2 weeks
actually joking apart , i couldnt come down this weekend anyway , someone is in the caravan ,but they are due out next friday , then its free untill monday , then its booked for 2 weeks
the caravan makes a ideal stop over for me on the way home because i cant physically drive down there and back in the same day , plus it saves the £75 fee haven charge for a clean after someone has been in, and i get to check the state of the caravan :thumb2
i also have a " present " for rick and maggie ( not sure about swifty lol ) .. down in the cellar i have a bottle of chateau neuf du pape i was saving for our wedding , but as sheila says , weve been engaged for 15 years another few wont make any difference :lol:lol
any news on pauls phone call today ?
solarman216
12-05-2010, 23:44
actually joking apart , i couldnt come down this weekend anyway , someone is in the caravan ,but they are due out next friday , then its free untill monday , then its booked for 2 weeks
OK Pete looks like you come down Friday, pick up Sally, Stay Friday night, meet other club members Saturday, maybe stay Saturday night? go off Sunday to Van the rest is yours, only a suggestion, even if we get Sally done for this weekend does not sound as though it will be a lot of good if you can not get here till next WE, and it gives us more time to get all the bits that are needed, if that sounds good I will leave it to you to page other members as it is not in my line, I have never done so much typing on the net as the last week or so, so I will leave it in your capable hands, Rick
On the lathe.
That looks like an antique, years since i've worked on an old conventional lathe (brings back memories).
All cnc in our place now, what kind of tooling do you use Rick, i may be able to make some dissapear mysteriously if you know what i mean.:augie
OK Pete looks like you come down Friday, pick up Sally, Stay Friday night, meet other club members Saturday, maybe stay Saturday night? go off Sunday to Van the rest is yours, only a suggestion, even if we get Sally done for this weekend does not sound as though it will be a lot of good if you can not get here till next WE, and it gives us more time to get all the bits that are needed, if that sounds good I will leave it to you to page other members as it is not in my line, I have never done so much typing on the net as the last week or so, so I will leave it in your capable hands, Rick
my capable hands ? lol , might not be able to stop friday and saturday too , but would be ok to meet members on saturday , ideally id like a couple of days to check the caravan out
out of interest rick , how near is the enterprise branch to you ?
solarman216
12-05-2010, 23:57
That looks like an antique, years since i've worked on an old conventional lathe (brings back memories).
All cnc in our place now, what kind of tooling do you use Rick, i may be able to make some dissapear mysteriously if you know what i mean.:augie
Thanks for the offer but I have more tools than I can ever use, my father worked in the trade so left me well stocked, it is a Myson super 7, a lot smaller than one I had a few years ago, ( I could do brake disks on that as it had the first 6 inches of bed removable) but did not use it enough to keep it, but you do not want to know any more about me, your eyes will water, Rick
solarman216
12-05-2010, 23:58
out of interest rick , how near is the enterprise branch to you ?
Walk it in 20 mins
Walk it in 20 mins
walk isnt a option rick as you know , but i they do drop off so may take me to you
walk isnt a option rick as you know , but i they do drop off so may take me to you
in fact i will insist
solarman216
13-05-2010, 00:07
No I will bring Sally down to you, and you can drive me back home, how's that for a deal
No I will bring Sally down to you, and you can drive me back home, how's that for a deal
sounds good mate , even clivvy didnt scream when i drove him around the block here :lol
sounds good mate , even clivvy didnt scream when i drove him around the block here :lol
but ..... most importantly of all , ...... dont rush rick , i can come down another day , dont think you have to fix sally at a certain time
solarman216
13-05-2010, 00:18
my capable hands ? lol , might not be able to stop friday and saturday too , but would be ok to meet members on saturday , ideally id like a couple of days to check the caravan out
No problem you have a week plus to sort it. we are here whatever, its what we do Mag & I,, Re Paul and the Garage (would not call them a garage) no joy as I expected they just opt out, probably been doing it for years, do not ever go back there, I knew within 5 mins of arrival what they were, when the fitter came out and started Sally, the moment she fired he floored it to make her rattle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that was enough for me to disregard anything they said or implied. make sure any good reports on the site are removed.
No problem you have a week plus to sort it. we are here whatever, its what we do Mag & I,, Re Paul and the Garage (would not call them a garage) no joy as I expected they just opt out, probably been doing it for years, do not ever go back there, I knew within 5 mins of arrival what they were, when the fitter came out and started Sally, the moment she fired he floored it to make her rattle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that was enough for me to disregard anything they said or implied. make sure any good reports on the site are removed.
ive tried mate but cant delete it , would be interested in the outcome of pauls call tho
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