View Full Version : heartbroken and sorry to you all .....the story
i decided to go for a drive to ikley , the car drove absolutely superb , flying up hills , really smooth , when i got to ikley and was about to turn the engine off , i noticed a rattling noise coming from what i guessed was the exhaust , so i drove the car to one of those tast fit places and asked if they could tighten the exhaust up ,they put it on a ramp and said the exhaust is fine very tight and not rattling , they said the noise apears to be coming from the engine , one of the guys said he thought it was the crankshaft , anyway , after a big argument with the rac they admitted they had miscalculated the amount of call outs i had , and sent a recovery truck to take me to elland , at first they said they dont think its the crankshaft , because the noise goes when you rev it , but i cant hear very well so its possible its still there , later on they rung me to say it isnt the timing chain , and the engine is knackered
i feel really bad because of the amazing generosity of the members and i feel as though ive let you all down .
i know i havent let you down because there is nothing i could have done to forsee this , i will try and update you as to my decision , maybe if anyone wants some bits ?
kind regards and many sincere thanks
pete
Oh dear Briggie I really feel you mate, keep your chin up :)
Maybe we could have an engine swap party, you supply the tea & we'll bring the spanners :thumb2
jims-terrano
22-04-2010, 20:49
Pete mate I was real sorry to hear this morning when I got the text off Clivvy. I have to say it's unusual for the engine to go like that. Surely it's something else? what about something with the gearbox?
Jim
Ending soon on fleaby.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NISSAN-TERRANO-MISTRAL-2-7-TD-TURBO-DIESEL-ENGINE_W0QQitemZ260586756544QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_ CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item3cac2e59c0
makeitfit
22-04-2010, 20:52
Night mare mate, what a bum deal:(
You must have trodden on a lot of worms:confused:
I'll help in engine party entertainment if you need:D
Maybe we could stick a nice TDi lump in it:sly
it HAS to be something else..i mean, in what way KNACKERED??? whats nackered? I heard it running myself, it sounded excellent. End of the day, these engines wear down, they dont just break! i am amazed and speachless that this has happened but i feel I seriously need to see what is wrong. To me, unless a piston has blown out the engine, it cant be knackered if it was running ok when revved. If the noise is there at Idle, cant it be something else?
arrggghhhh. where in Elland is this garage Pete? I'm in Elland Saturday for an MOT, my guy knows everyone there, and I bet he knows this garage, so let me speak to them, then I will speak to a mechanic we know there called Chris, with luck, he will pick up your Mistral and take a look either for a small fee, or for nothing, to let us know what the problem is??
If the engine had 'gone' so severely why is it still running, that's what I don't understand, after all Briggie drove it to the exhaust place. :\
exactly, makes no sense. I dont generally trust garages, let alone one that at first thought timing chain, and then thought "its nackered", i mean come on?
I'm over there Saturday morning, so will pop in and speak to them. I'm going to ask them to show me whats knackered. if they cant, i'm going to speak to a mechanic we know there, and beg them to pick it up and have a look, or at least give us a second opinion. I will keep you all informed, and I will call Paul (bat21) and Pete with my findings.
exactly, makes no sense. I dont generally trust garages, let alone one that at first thought timing chain, and then thought "its nackered", i mean come on?
I'm over there Saturday morning, so will pop in and speak to them. I'm going to ask them to show me whats knackered. if they cant, i'm going to speak to a mechanic we know there, and beg them to pick it up and have a look, or at least give us a second opinion. I will keep you all informed, and I will call Paul (bat21) and Pete with my findings.
was me that said its knackered , they said i need a new engine
was me that said its knackered , they said i need a new engine
same diff really i spose
well, what they say and what it actually needs may be two different things. when my Mav failed its mot, i was told it needed £700/800 worth of work, and it didnt. Had similar issues with my mazda, had a broken engine mount bolt, i was told by mechanic to patch it up and get rid.
fo rthe sake of hanging on a few more days, let me speak to them and see for myself, seems i'm over there, then we can weigh it up.
lacroupade
22-04-2010, 22:18
Well in case Briggie isn't aware, this is the same engine (without the turbo) thats regularly done astronomical (like 300-400-500k miles) in the Fairway FX4 London cab......I just don't buy "its knackered" - been on and off this forum since 2005 and never heard of a diesel dying in one of these....the car usually falls apart around it first!
Clivvys plan sounds top-drawer!!:thumb2:thumb2:thumb2
Deleted account DD
22-04-2010, 23:21
Well in case Briggie isn't aware, this is the same engine (without the turbo) thats regularly done astronomical (like 300-400-500k miles) in the Fairway FX4 London cab......I just don't buy "its knackered" - been on and off this forum since 2005 and never heard of a diesel dying in one of these....the car usually falls apart around it first!
Clivvys plan sounds top-drawer!!:thumb2:thumb2:thumb2
I'll second that.Before I got my terranno I did a lot of research, knew bot all about them. People were reporting problems, fair enough , but overall death in the manner of a ford cvh............ nope.
:clapIts not knacked it just needs someone who understands:thumbs
I was told to scrap mine:lol its old it leaked oil everywhere 4 wheeldrive didn't work Its still hard to get into 1st gear... :nenau It had its glow plugs changed and it did'nt like it :doh so I put the old ones back in and its been fine for 2 winters:nenau I love it:lol
Don't give up:thumbs
lots of good people here trying to help:thumbs
Good luck
:clapIts not knacked it just needs someone who understands:thumbs
I was told to scrap mine:lol its old it leaked oil everywhere 4 wheeldrive didn't work Its still hard to get into 1st gear... :nenau It had its glow plugs changed and it did'nt like it :doh so I put the old ones back in and its been fine for 2 winters:nenau I love it:lol
Don't give up:thumbs
lots of good people here trying to help:thumbs
Good luck
according to the manual , it has a timing chain , its on page 26 of the em bit .
http://bebrs.pie-dabas.net/Webs/Terrano/R20/em.pdf
rayf3262
23-04-2010, 09:55
I think you will find that the fist part of the manual refers to the ZD30 3.0L engine, which does indeed have a chain.
Look further on in the TD27 headed area this is relevant to your engine.
incidently , if the odometer is to be believed ...... and i see no reason why not considering the condition generally of the car ... its only done around 80,000 miles .
I think you will find that the fist part of the manual refers to the ZD30 3.0L engine, which does indeed have a chain.
Look further on in the TD27 headed area this is relevant to your engine.
thanks mate ..... strange thing is , now i think about it , the noise is just like a loose chain , but when you rev the engine , its like the slack is taken up and the noise goes .... or perhaps its that fast i cant hear it ...... strange innit ?
thanks mate ..... strange thing is , now i think about it , the noise is just like a loose chain , but when you rev the engine , its like the slack is taken up and the noise goes .... or perhaps its that fast i cant hear it ...... strange innit ?
any suggestions on what it could be then ?:nenau
rayf3262
23-04-2010, 10:20
any suggestions on what it could be then ?:nenau
Electronics is my thing, so no, I could only guess which would probably not be helpful.
I am sure others will have some thoughts on what may be at fault though.
Electronics is my thing, so no, I could only guess which would probably not be helpful.
I am sure others will have some thoughts on what may be at fault though.
snap ray , ex field service engineer / tlo for matsushita ( panasonic/technics ) here :thumb2
rayf3262
23-04-2010, 10:31
snap ray , ex field service engineer / tlo for matsushita ( panasonic/technics ) here :thumb2
I work at the "other end" of the TV/Film industry service engineer in the post production world.. looking after the kit that produces the content.
ClanWolf
23-04-2010, 10:31
I'd be along the lines of if the engine still runs, someone is lying to you.
I came across from the serious modified performance car scene, and trust me - if it runs, it's fixable. If it don't run, it's replacable.
Hey guys, didn't we provide a warranty with our assist? :D I'm up for it.
Just spoke to the garage.
They seem to think it is either number 3 or 4 big end that has gone, aparently the noise apears at 2,000rpm :nenau
Clive (Clivvy) is calling in tomorrow to see if he can shed any light on the problem.
Just spoke to the garage.
They seem to think it is either number 3 or 4 big end that has gone, aparently the noise apears at 2,000rpm :nenau
Clive (Clivvy) is calling in tomorrow to see if he can shed any light on the problem.
so its knackered then ? ( forgive french ) :(
What's the tell tale signs of the "big ends" going? How many are there? Is it likely at all that they can go on an 80k mile engine, diesel at that!?
rayf3262
23-04-2010, 11:48
What's the tell tale signs of the "big ends" going? How many are there? Is it likely at all that they can go on an 80k mile engine, diesel at that!?
It may be not so bad news, IF, its just a case of new bearing shells.. Just depends on weather the journals/rods are ok.
Is it possible to get the sump off with the engine in situ?
It may be not so bad news, IF, its just a case of new bearing shells.. Just depends on weather the journals/rods are ok.
Is it possible to get the sump off with the engine in situ?
on page 102 :(
http://bebrs.pie-dabas.net/Webs/Terrano/R20/em.pdf
looks like ya gonna get those electric wing mirrors after all clive :naughty
i have a idea , it goes against everything i believe in though , but ive rung a company up ...... watch this space :o
jims-terrano
24-04-2010, 11:32
i have a idea , it goes against everything i believe in though , but ive rung a company up ...... watch this space :o
Oh no not that flippin annoying advert....... "we buy any car dot com......." arghhhh that's almost as bad as "Go compare.....":doh:doh:doh:doh:doh
Jim
Oh no not that flippin annoying advert....... "we buy any car dot com......." arghhhh that's almost as bad as "Go compare.....":doh:doh:doh:doh:doh
Jim
nope :augie
jims-terrano
24-04-2010, 11:34
nope :augie
TFFT!!!!!!
Jim
TFFT!!!!!!
Jim
plan scuppered , our lass went ballistic and said some very rude words :eek:
zippy656
24-04-2010, 12:12
colour full words i bet...
oh well..
next idea needed.
jims-terrano
24-04-2010, 12:15
So go on wot was the idea?
Jim
my plan was to go to one of those door loan collector thingies , get a loan of £750 , buy the other mistral , then i have a car that runs and one for spares , but sheila said no ( roughly translated )
extreme-4x4
24-04-2010, 12:22
my plan was to go to one of those door loan collector thingies , get a loan of £750 , buy the other mistral , then i have a car that runs and one for spares , but sheila said no ( roughly translated )
dumb arse... thats the most stupid idea i have ever heard
just wait and see. what feedback did we get from clive
dumb arse
her words were a lot worse than that :augie , but ive not given up yet ,jim might have a idea what im planning ( cq )
jims-terrano
24-04-2010, 12:27
sell all your CB kit and buy a new car?
Jim
sell all your CB kit and buy a new car?
Jim
sell my kit yes , but it wont bring in enough to buy a car , most of it is 30 years old , might get 200 tho :nenau
according to the manual , it has a timing chain , its on page 26 of the em bit .
http://bebrs.pie-dabas.net/Webs/Terrano/R20/em.pdf
Thats the 3 litre 2.7 is gear driven
Freebird
24-04-2010, 12:36
my plan was to go to one of those door loan collector thingies , get a loan of £750 , buy the other mistral , then i have a car that runs and one for spares , but sheila said no ( roughly translated )
Ffs one of the most stupid ideas you have had, i dont believe you ever considered anything like that........:eek::eek:
sell my kit yes , but it wont bring in enough to buy a car , most of it is 30 years old , might get 200 tho :nenau
equipment is ....
stalker 9 fdx with variable power ( up to 12 watts fm/am...18 watts ssb )
uniden 20-30 ... frequency display doesnt work and gets very hot after 5 mins or so ( new output stage prob )
bremi 400 watt mains linear ....( 200 watts fm/am .. 400 watts ssb )
small 70 watt mobile linear
gp 27 half wave aerial
stinger torndao 1.79 metre mobile aerial with mag mount
equipment is ....
stalker 9 fdx with variable power ( up to 12 watts fm/am...18 watts ssb )
uniden 20-30 ... frequency display doesnt work and gets very hot after 5 mins or so ( new output stage prob )
bremi 400 watt mains linear ....( 200 watts fm/am .. 400 watts ssb )
small 70 watt mobile linear
gp 27 half wave aerial
stinger torndao 1.79 metre mobile aerial with mag mount
the stalker is a highly sought after radio , but it seems to be a few kc's off frequency .. easy to sort if you have a scope ( i dont )
i have had many international contacts with the stalker :thumb2
http://www.cbtricks.com/radios/teaberry/stalker_ix_fdx/index.htm
jims-terrano
24-04-2010, 12:50
Right back on subject!!!
Can't wait to hear what Clivvy has found out, hope it's good news.
Jim
Right back on subject!!!
Can't wait to hear what Clivvy has found out, hope it's good news.
Jim
he might be dismantling my electric folding wing mirrors :lol
RIGHT IM HERE.
ok, for starters, i've nabbed Petes mirrors...only joking.
anyway, i went down with my mate and we had a chat with the garage (nice blokes by the way) and they showed me the problem. The description goes like this:
start the car-engine VERY shaky from cold, but does start and rev as you would expect. Everything appears to work perfect, but then randomly you get a "knock" I noticed that this knock only SEEMS to happen when you have let go of the acellerator, and the engine slows down to idle, then it knocks, but the garage reckons that when its warmed up it does do it when accelerating also, but is still random.
The knocking noise sounds like a single part inside the engine towards the rear, but sounds can be decieving. the chap says he hasnt actually had chance to look properly, and plans to do this Monday. he said the problem he has in diagnosing the issue is that if the knock is inside the engine, he has to take the engine apart to find the issue, and that costs.
Its really frustrating, because i have nothing else to report, its as simply as the description above. a single knock when the revs are released and the engine slows down to idle. Other than that, the engine runs as sweet as any diesel i've heard.
the only other thing i noticed was the pwoer steering belt is brown and worn, and did seem to wobble a bit, but that could just be the belt slightly mishapen? the viscous fan is ok, so its not that, and the other belts seemed fine.
???
jims-terrano
24-04-2010, 13:54
That's me stumped then, best leave it to more mechanically minded people then. BTW thanks for the txt Clivvy:thumbs
Jim
extreme-4x4
24-04-2010, 14:05
so we are no better off then . ffs the knock could be anything from an engine mount to exhaust or a sticky valve
if it is oiled i cant see you can break one of these engines,
i still say its something loose from the gearbox change . or lack of oil ... is it the same garage now that did the new gear box ?
ank them what way they changed the auto box what was removed and check everything is tight
so we are no better off then . ffs the knock could be anything from an engine mount to exhaust or a sticky valve
if it is oiled i cant see you can break one of these engines,
i still say its something loose from the gearbox change . or lack of oil ... is it the same garage now that did the new gear box ?
ank them what way they changed the auto box what was removed and check everything is tight
same garage yes, but i asked about the gearbox change, he is going to check, but didnt think it was anything to do with that, and im inclined to believe him as its worked for well over a week and a few hundred mile since. Could well be something sticking though, thats something i said as i was listening to it, and the chap agreed it was a possibility.
extreme-4x4
24-04-2010, 15:13
same garage yes, but i asked about the gearbox change, he is going to check, but didnt think it was anything to do with that, and im inclined to believe him as its worked for well over a week and a few hundred mile since. Could well be something sticking though, thats something i said as i was listening to it, and the chap agreed it was a possibility.
exactly the right sort of time for something to work loose . now a month or several thousand miles . is when its safe to assume its all tight and working ok .
those wheels didnt fall off the f1 car in the pits or at the end of a race ... but did after a short period of driving equivalent to a week or couple of hundred miles on a road car by my reconing
how about we just scrap the useless pile of crap , and i save up eventually for another one ?
how about we just scrap the useless pile of crap , and i save up eventually for another one ?
there is a lot of good parts on it , so its my way of repaying your amazing act of generosity , then at least i wont feel as bad because im giving something back to the club
extreme-4x4
24-04-2010, 15:32
how about we just scrap the useless pile of crap , and i save up eventually for another one ?
give in if you want..... i have with plenty of cars before and paid the price. but not with a t2 they dont die
i wont feel any better getting my donation back id rather see you on the road... end of
give in if you want..... i have with plenty of cars before and paid the price. but not with a t2 they dont die
i wont feel any better getting my donation back id rather see you on the road... end of
i am not a quitter , ive survived my illness , but i dont want to spend anymore money i havent got , i got to really like the car and the independance it brought me , but how much is this going to cost ? , i feel guilty as it is , im trying to protect the club and its members from any more expense , perhaps when ive calmed down and had a cuppa i may feel a bit better .
many kind regards
pete
well, look, we need to wait until monday when the garage have had chance to have a look. I am not sure if their having a look will cost anything. Like extreme says, could very well be something to do with the gear box they fitted, makes sense. Best way forward I think is to remain neutral about the car till we have some facts. We can then weigh up what to do with it. I dont mean its US that make the decision Pete, you do, but we are here to help mate. It would be nice, somehow, to see it fixed....
Deleted account DD
24-04-2010, 17:59
Noises are fine to fart about with but what is associated with it when they drive the thing. What does the oil pressure do ? what does the power sound like? is it misfiring or just not running? does it lose power under acceleration if at all?
Theres so much that a 1/2hr test drive would tell them and lead a knowledgeable mechanic into a decent first diagnosis without stripping down which I am sure they will do eg is it big ends that make loads of noise form cold then thump under load ? (trawling the depths of my memory) but the point remains the same.
Far too early to give up.
May become economically impractical but thats way down the line.
Noises are fine to fart about with but what is associated with it when they drive the thing. What does the oil pressure do ? what does the power sound like? is it misfiring or just not running? does it lose power under acceleration if at all?
Theres so much that a 1/2hr test drive would tell them and lead a knowledgeable mechanic into a decent first diagnosis without stripping down which I am sure they will do eg is it big ends that make loads of noise form cold then thump under load ? (trawling the depths of my memory) but the point remains the same.
Far too early to give up.
May become economically impractical but thats way down the line.
I totally agree dave. the mech is looking properly Monday. all i can say is when he staretd it from cold, it started fine. no smoke. went to idle, so he revved it up for me at the throttle and it revved up nicely, then, when he let the throttle go and it JUST went to idle, it knocked, just once. few minutes later at idle, did it again.
just turn radio up...
seriously though, hope it gets sorted is a shame. The 2.7's don't just die like said before.
well, i just done some research. cant be big end bearings gone. this knocking noise is a singular knock, at a random interval, almost as if something is winding up then releasing, or something sticking. I have read that if the big end goes, then the noise is loud hammer type noice, and constant. or other related symptoms are constant tapping (not tappets)...so its not that.
what does everyone think about the belts. i noticed that one of petes belts, the lower one (power steering??) is very brown and worn. i noticed it wobbling too, could this be knocking? I mention it because my old Fourtrak used to do it, steering idler was held on by one bolt of three, so it woudl just knock. my point being is Petes car only seems to do it when dropping to idle, so could it be the power steering pump taking up the strain to supply power to the steering?
gotta be something wiv gearbox
Deleted account DD
24-04-2010, 18:23
well, i just done some research. cant be big end bearings gone. this knocking noise is a singular knock, at a random interval, almost as if something is winding up then releasing, or something sticking. I have read that if the big end goes, then the noise is loud hammer type noice, and constant. or other related symptoms are constant tapping (not tappets)...so its not that.
I agree with what your saying. Cog wear, big end wear etc tend to make noises going under and coming off load. All due to the free play and taking up the backlash.
If this noise is constant and depending where the mark I diagnostic eardrum says its coming from, its a either broken bit. something like a rocker arm, an idler type thing or layshaft or as in the pulley theory something hitting something its not supposed to.
I dont claim to be an expert and its a long time since I had to diagnose such things..................
About time for those who always seem to know to step into the breach :augie :thumb2
well, i just done some research. cant be big end bearings gone. this knocking noise is a singular knock, at a random interval, almost as if something is winding up then releasing, or something sticking. I have read that if the big end goes, then the noise is loud hammer type noice, and constant. or other related symptoms are constant tapping (not tappets)...so its not that.
what does everyone think about the belts. i noticed that one of petes belts, the lower one (power steering??) is very brown and worn. i noticed it wobbling too, could this be knocking? I mention it because my old Fourtrak used to do it, steering idler was held on by one bolt of three, so it woudl just knock. my point being is Petes car only seems to do it when dropping to idle, so could it be the power steering pump taking up the strain to supply power to the steering?
i like that idea clive , its a cheap and easy fix if its true
extreme-4x4
24-04-2010, 18:29
well, i just done some research. cant be big end bearings gone. this knocking noise is a singular knock, at a random interval, almost as if something is winding up then releasing, or something sticking. I have read that if the big end goes, then the noise is loud hammer type noice, and constant. or other related symptoms are constant tapping (not tappets)...so its not that.
what does everyone think about the belts. i noticed that one of petes belts, the lower one (power steering??) is very brown and worn. i noticed it wobbling too, could this be knocking? I mention it because my old Fourtrak used to do it, steering idler was held on by one bolt of three, so it woudl just knock. my point being is Petes car only seems to do it when dropping to idle, so could it be the power steering pump taking up the strain to supply power to the steering?
pain in the arse i know . but how would you describe the knock clonk or whatever it is.
example a tea spoon against a cup sounds different to a spoon against a saucepan ... what else in the world makes that noise
Deleted account DD
24-04-2010, 18:29
i like that idea clive , its a cheap and easy fix if its true
You dont know yet. Hold back
You dont know yet. Hold back
page 16 .... wot ya think guys ?
http://bebrs.pie-dabas.net/Webs/Terrano/R20/st.pdf
pain in the arse i know . but how would you describe the knock clonk or whatever it is.
example a tea spoon against a cup sounds different to a spoon against a saucepan ... what else in the world makes that noise
ok, try to describe. lightly tapping engine block with a hammer. thats thebest i can think of, its really odd sound. I cant describe it as tappety, because its a single tap, and to me, it really sounds like something sticking because the sound is almost muffled. does that make sense? i was going to video it, but i knew the sound would be totally lost. :(
ok, try to describe. lightly tapping engine block with a hammer. thats thebest i can think of, its really odd sound. I cant describe it as tappety, because its a single tap, and to me, it really sounds like something sticking because the sound is almost muffled. does that make sense? i was going to video it, but i knew the sound would be totally lost. :(
leave it running for a bit and it gets worse clive
leave it running for a bit and it gets worse clive
right, the guy did say that, when the oil gets warm BUT STILL, all the bearings, pistons etc are moving regardless. surely if they were gone, they'd be tapping from cold, constantly.
Sorry, very late coming in on this, but a metallic uneven harsh rattle can sometimes be attributed to a combustion chamber becoming lose in the head, although they normally rattle more when cold, from what you have said I would still be inclined to remove the head and inspect, its very difficult to diagnose a rattle or noise if you cant actually hear it.
Sorry, very late coming in on this, but a metallic uneven harsh rattle can sometimes be attributed to a combustion chamber becoming lose in the head, although they normally rattle more when cold, from what you have said I would still be inclined to remove the head and inspect, its very difficult to diagnose a rattle or noise if you cant actually hear it.
ok, this is the problem also, to remove the head etc and inspect, is gonna cost! One point to note, its not a rattle, its a single, random knock at first, that apparently inreases to a rattle when warm, like the rattle of a loose exhaust. Could this still be internal engine?
Pete, someone needs to ensure that the garage DOES NOT do any work thats going to cost without you or us knowing about it. Can you or perhap Paul speak to them Monday morning? I might not get chance myself as I may be working down in Nottigham...
ok, this is the problem also, to remove the head etc and inspect, is gonna cost! One point to note, its not a rattle, its a single, random knock at first, that apparently inreases to a rattle when warm, like the rattle of a loose exhaust. Could this still be internal engine?
Pete, someone needs to ensure that the garage DOES NOT do any work thats going to cost without you or us knowing about it. Can you or perhap Paul speak to them Monday morning? I might not get chance myself as I may be working down in Nottigham...
might be better if paul does
Was the vehicle serviced when the box was done?
If so quickly insure it with the AA parts and labour insurance about £9 per month.
When the (i think) 28 days grace period expires call the AA out they will give a gestimate of the problem take it back to the garage and they pay the first 500 for a repair and you pay the £25 excess
paulp
ok, this is the problem also, to remove the head etc and inspect, is gonna cost! One point to note, its not a rattle, its a single, random knock at first, that apparently inreases to a rattle when warm, like the rattle of a loose exhaust. Could this still be internal engine?
Pete, someone needs to ensure that the garage DOES NOT do any work thats going to cost without you or us knowing about it. Can you or perhap Paul speak to them Monday morning? I might not get chance myself as I may be working down in Nottigham...
From what you have said it still could be something like a loose combustion chamber, which is not uncommon to the engine. Worn big or small ends, would not give you a random rattle it would be more or less in time with the engine as would anything in the valve department, big small end wear is also often worse when the engine is pulling. If you get a chance to get another look, get a long screw driver out and stick the handle up to you ear and go around the engine placing the tip against the head block etc with it running to try and identify the area, it should be fairly clear and easy to detect getting louder the closer you become to the problem. To rule out any of the auxiliary equipment steering pump, alternator and water pump run the engine with the drive belts off for a short time.
If they serviced it, did they fit the correct oil filter? The td engine has a non return valve inside the filter while the tdi does not.
If they serviced it, did they fit the correct oil filter? The td engine has a non return valve inside the filter while the tdi does not.
i dont believe they serviced it.
the mechanic did say he had done the screw driver test, but again hadnt really had proper time to investigate. I doubt very much i'll get chance to go back before next weekend!
Briggie, only just logged on to the site after a few days absence. Very sorry to hear about the latest difficulty with the truck. Hang in there for another few days till there is some clarity on what exactly the problem is. Your not beaten yet and neither are the members of this site by the sound of things.
it could be the torque converter drive plate has fractured, replaced quite a few in my garage days, and the garage would have had to undo bolts to allow torque converter to stay in bell housing, or he let the oil run out, and left torque converter on drive plate, but i doubt it though.
Well just caught up with this :)
You really are having a bad time of it :(
But so did I
1. 4 wheel drive not working
folks here talked me thruough how to check how bad it was
in the end after trying to repair the auto 4x4 I fitted the manuel and since had no problems The garage that tried to repair it had not even thought about fitting the manuel
I got the bits from Millners thanks agin to this site and the garage fitted them
no problems since and its been well used:thumbs
Oil leakin everywhere again the garage said no idea where its comming from:nenau
Again folks on here pointed me in the right direction and it turned out to be a badly fitted oil filter:thumbs
All brake pipes and fuel pipes had to be replaced front to rear a big job loads of turns
The fuel tank had to be drained
fuel pump had to be reconditioned
Picked it up from the garage and drove off then arrived at the fuel station in clouds of smoke:eek:
Took it back to the garage and they had not connected the injecters properly:rolleyes:
Had a service and glow plugs changed and it would not start :doh
Put the old glow plugs back in and no problem since:nenau
All I can say is ..we all have problems no matter what car we have
This site helped me fix mine don't give up yet:thumbs
I have had mine ..same age as yours... for 2 years now and its been the best 4x4 I have ever had:thumbs
I used to have land rovers before :nenau
Good luck........
......
clivvy your a star:thumbs
Well just caught up with this :)
You really are having a bad time of it :(
But so did I
1. 4 wheel drive not working
folks here talked me thruough how to check how bad it was
in the end after trying to repair the auto 4x4 I fitted the manuel and since had no problems The garage that tried to repair it had not even thought about fitting the manuel
I got the bits from Millners thanks agin to this site and the garage fitted them
no problems since and its been well used:thumbs
Oil leakin everywhere again the garage said no idea where its comming from:nenau
Again folks on here pointed me in the right direction and it turned out to be a badly fitted oil filter:thumbs
All brake pipes and fuel pipes had to be replaced front to rear a big job loads of turns
The fuel tank had to be drained
fuel pump had to be reconditioned
Picked it up from the garage and drove off then arrived at the fuel station in clouds of smoke:eek:
Took it back to the garage and they had not connected the injecters properly:rolleyes:
Had a service and glow plugs changed and it would not start :doh
Put the old glow plugs back in and no problem since:nenau
All I can say is ..we all have problems no matter what car we have
This site helped me fix mine don't give up yet:thumbs
I have had mine ..same age as yours... for 2 years now and its been the best 4x4 I have ever had:thumbs
I used to have land rovers before :nenau
Good luck........
......
clivvy your a star:thumbs
im chuffed you got yours sorted , but my situation is slightly different with respect ... i have to have a auto because i physically cannot drive a manual , also i cannot service /repair my truck myself , so i have to rely on garages :(
im chuffed you got yours sorted , but my situation is slightly different with respect ... i have to have a auto because i physically cannot drive a manual , also i cannot service /repair my truck myself , so i have to rely on garages :(
I think your right Pete, its much trickier for you, but Willows 100%. Dont give up just yet, just read his list of faults, thats a big list, i'd have been in despair. Your problem, your car problem, is a weird one. I'd suspect we could drive it away no problem, it'd warm up and then make some noise. I do wonder if we can sell "as is" to someone who can fix it? someone who has the garage space/time to do it..?
sidsid06
25-04-2010, 19:56
been away for a couple of days so just had a read though all the replys!
sorry to hear about your truck briggie it seems if its not 1 thing its another.
well all i can say is wait to here from the garage and hope its not bad news:thumbs
i will add this tho i had a alfa i know its not the same as your truck, but had gearbox replaced in that and a few days later had a knocking noise;):eek:
and it was big end bearings!!! it seems that when 1 thing is fix it seems to add pressure to another part the engine!
got the bearings out and the wear on them indicated to inadequate oil changes air filter ect!!!! the donut who own the car before me never had it serviced!!
hope it not the same for your truck, keep your chin up briggie
been away for a couple of days so just had a read though all the replys!
sorry to hear about your truck briggie it seems if its not 1 thing its another.
well all i can say is wait to here from the garage and hope its not bad news:thumbs
i will add this tho i had a alfa i know its not the same as your truck, but had gearbox replaced in that and a few days later had a knocking noise;):eek:
and it was big end bearings!!! it seems that when 1 thing is fix it seems to add pressure to another part the engine!
got the bearings out and the wear on them indicated to inadequate oil changes air filter ect!!!! the donut who own the car before me never had it serviced!!
hope it not the same for your truck, keep your chin up briggie
i dont want tp pre emt anything , but that sounds very plausible , i doubt very much the previous owner serviced it , lets hope its not
if it is these big end bearings .... is it fairly easy ( cheapish ) to repair ?
lacroupade
25-04-2010, 20:38
What's the tell tale signs of the "big ends" going? How many are there? Is it likely at all that they can go on an 80k mile engine, diesel at that!?
The engine clatters like buggery at all revs. Impossible to miss.
But I'll say it again, this SAME engine powers London taxis to mileages the bodywork of these trucks can only dream about.....does anyone actually KNOW anyone with a totally failed Mistral/Terrano/Maverick engine that hasn't been run without oil?
The fact its a diesel doesn't actually make that much difference except the motor is engineered to deal with compression ratios that would burst a petrol engine....:cool:
if it is these big end bearings .... is it fairly easy ( cheapish ) to repair ?
it depends i think. could just be the rings perhaps...we'll know more tomorrow.
if you read page 9 of this it gives engine noise causes :rolleyes:
http://bebrs.pie-dabas.net/Webs/Terrano/R20/em.pdf
sidsid06
25-04-2010, 20:40
if it is these big end bearings .... is it fairly easy ( cheapish ) to repair ?
on my alfa they were not the engine had to come out again:(
depends if you can get to them on your truck with out taking the engine out!
no doubt some one with more experience with these trucks be able to tell you.
i always had jeeps befor my t2 so know jeeps better!
nothing seems cheap now a days briggie.. evey thing seems to be expensive:(
Hello Briggie.
Hang on in there. These motors are reckoned to be bomb proof as far as major engine parts go.
I know it may seem ludicrous but it could be the same knocking as I had with my first Terrano.
It turned out to be one of the belts; don't know which one; I just sprayed the lot with WD40 and the clonking disappeared-----could hardly believe it :nenau
The knocking recurred ocassionaly but never as loudly as the first time. Each time I gave it the WD40 treatment and it became silent and smooth again .
I changed the belts eventually. End of story.
I know this sounds like "clutching at staws" , but anything is worth a try.
Any news pete??
nope sorry , im not really sure i want a phone call from the garage if that makes sense because i think im going to be devastated .
might have found easy repair that they are working on? otherwise would have called by now to tell u cost etc...?
might have found easy repair that they are working on? otherwise would have called by now to tell u cost etc...?
i dont think theyve had chance to look at it yet
i dont think theyve had chance to look at it yet
my son tom ( awaiting embarkation in germany ) has had a word with some army mechanics .... they said they would bet that because the noise appeared after i had gone up a long hill quite fast ( under load ) that the big end bearings is a very likely culprit , failing that a bent camshaft . but without seeing it ( and they are in germany lol ) they couldnt be 100% sure
makeitfit
26-04-2010, 17:38
Well IF it is the big end or little end or bent cam:eek: You would be able to here it ALL the time. It would also get worse at higher revs until she blows captain:augie
Long hills at speed is what I do all the time:D and yesterday while off road I had to come down a monster hill . It was about 45 degrees plus and the back end was defo un weighted:eek: The revs went considerably higher than I'd heard on engine braking before, and all was well.
I'll be desperatly sorry for you if it is such a failure but the description doent suggest that. Good luck mate and go on , give them a bell:D
You know it makes sense, cause we'll be nagging you all nite otherwise:lol
Deleted account DD
26-04-2010, 17:52
they said they would bet that because the noise appeared after i had gone up a long hill quite fast ( under load ) that the big end bearings is a very likely culprit ,
Hmm you never said it appeared coming off load, just that after you'd been tear arsing around up (and therefore presumably off load down) hill and the engine was at idle ie already off load it was heard :doh its the nuances that make the difference ;)
Clearly without a drive its difficult to tell 100%, but........................
I reckon if the noise is definitely from the engine block ,screwdriver BLUNT HANDLE END :augie to your ear sharp end to the block may help locate the area of the noise (old, rough but useful trick) its almost a dead cert it is the big/little ends or the con rod , absolute classic symptons. One or more of the bearing shells are either broken (look for bits of metal in the oil) or worn beyond tolerance. seen it loads of times.The noise comes from what I hinted at earlier where either the backlash is taken up or released. Oil pressure and the rest of its vitals would probably still look ok.
A potentially far more serious problem though is why has it happened? On such an apparently low mileage car it means either the mileage is not showing correctly ie its been clocked or new speedo ( new lower reading mph one fitted when it was brought into the country s/h perhaps ?) or it has just not been serviced properly.
If it is big end area problems I would be looking to get shot I have a bad feeling its only the start of things to come.
Have the garage had a proper look at it yet :confused:
extreme-4x4
26-04-2010, 18:26
guess not lol
ok guys, garage havent looked yet dammit, will be later this week. I think its going to be bad though, so its fair to accept that and move to figuring out best course of action to reclaim some money, a "new" engine just isnt the answer on such an old car unless we can get the labour for nowt. I do wonder if the car is worth selling as is, as "spares or repairs" to someone with know-how?i dont know any realistic prices, but from Petes point of view, its a bit over £1k hes lost, so if we can get as much as possible back, then its a start.
I think we should throw some ideas about, everyones got their own valuable input. Do we sell, do we break for parts, do we scrap? If we break for parts, will we make at least £500? £700 would be a great start.
what do you think?
Just read through this and tbh the big end theory does make sense,especially if the noise gets worse on light load (coasting after brief acceleration),or when the engine is hot.Can they rig up an oil pressure gauge or do an oil drain and check for swarf?
zippy656
26-04-2010, 19:02
cncfab might know what you get for a broken t2 in all, hes done one or two so should know..
maybe he could have it and sell the parts for briggie, after all briggie is not quite able to brake it himself and send parts out..
makeitfit
26-04-2010, 19:13
Pointless breaking for spares cause you'll need to do all the spannering for the bits that people may want eventually, and have it in various stages of dissassembly outside your house. Sold as spares or repair I guess around 500 squid:augie
OR we get a S/H engine out of an mot failure type truck and do an engine change, maybe:o
Here's one on fleabay at the mo
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120559379653&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT 300 quid ish
OR take the engine out out and re shell the ends (if it IS the ends) assuming they're not like £50 a peice like I suspect nissan shells to be:doh
Hi all
my tuppence worth is a second hand engine, obviously the lower the mileage the better.
sorry cannot help with spannering I am at the other end of the country but happy to contribute some cash and moral support, if that fails generally take Pi@@ :thumb2 :thumb2
paulp
Hi all
my tuppence worth is a second hand engine, obviously the lower the mileage the better.
sorry cannot help with spannering I am at the other end of the country but happy to contribute some cash and moral support, if that fails generally take Pi@@ :thumb2 :thumb2
paulp
you mean extract the urine , its far more polite , we have lady members you know :naughty
i was right the first time but used a thin disquise of replacing the ss with @@, but extracting the urine I can also do :thumb2
paulp
stevecrm
27-04-2010, 10:40
If we break for parts, will we make at least £500? £700 would be a great start.
what do you think?
i'll give Briggie 50p for that nice posh a-bar thingy :augie:thumbs
i'll give Briggie 50p for that nice posh a-bar thingy :augie:thumbs
ive thought very carefully about your offer for at least a second , and my reply ( without being too profane ) is i suggest you go forward in short sharp jerky motions with the intention to reproduce :lol:lol
ive thought very carefully about your offer for at least a second , and my reply ( without being too profane ) is i suggest you go forward in short sharp jerky motions with the intention to reproduce :lol:lol
incidently , the above comment was made in a jesting manner and not intended as a insult on any particular person or persons
stevecrm
27-04-2010, 11:54
75p :naughty:naughty
stevecrm
27-04-2010, 11:56
Only kidding fella, I wish I could help in some way. I hope you manage to get something sorted out soon and finally start having some good luck :D
75p :naughty:naughty
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