speeding offences

[mr-gadget]

Well done something really stupid today, driving on knowsley expressway upto roadworks so busy thinking of all the other things going on and stressing me out did not see 40 mph speed limit. got caught on speed camera, it flashed twice I think i was doing between 50 and 60 but not sure... i saw the camera flash at car infront of me and hit the brakes hard... Anybody know what happens now, i think it takes about 6 weeks for ticket.. but never had one before. normally drive very carefully. I dread losing my licence as i drive as part of my job...

anyone got any advice. apart from don't go speeding then!!! :(



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[chumba]

as long as your within 25mph of the limit its 3 points and £60 fine but ive normally had the ticket within a month

i speak from experiance

[mr-gadget]

To be honest i am very worried (would use different word but don't want to be told off by mods again) I know of a couple of guys who got 1 month driving ban, 6 points and £900.00 fine... But it was christmas.

[Deleted Member S]

Normally with in a month, but I got flashed years ago (used to collect speeding tickets like necta points :lol: :oops: ) & never got any thing about it in the post :? have been told that the flash always works but often the film runs out in no time. So hopefully this will be your case

[chumba]

i got stopped doin 87.28mph once on a 60mph very quiet open A7 in scotland.the plod told me being 25mph over the road limit it should be reported for prosecution but he let me off with a normal ticket.

but i`d give it a month and if you`ve heard nothin start relaxing

[mr-gadget]

I have had a clean licence since i started driving and 24 years on it is abit late to start collecting now..

[jace]

youll just get fixed penalty ticket through post or at least the registered owner will you can tell them u dont know who was driving but theyll still do u! i had this one lads got flashed in inca van gets nice letter asks everyone whos driven van all gave same answer "who me not me mate " so asked for copy photo all it shows is back van so no way there gonna say yup that was me so i copped £350 and 3 points for failing to provide name driver! told them to shove fine where sun dont shine and have court date to tell nixce mr magistrate exactly what ive just put sept 10th market harbrough mag court (an i have no idea why van was in leicester at 8.10am! bad enough getting to site before dinnertime 5 miles away!)

[supertaff]

About 3 years ago I was driving out of Blackpool on the Garstang road , driving a Volvo coach, and had my photo taken. I was given the option of a £60:00 fine + 3 penalty points ... or I could attend a 1 day speed awareness course at Lancaster, which cost £85:00 , and no fine or points.
I think it will depend on how much over the limit you were travelling. If you were say about 5mph over the limit ... they may offer you the course, especially as it's a first offence.

[terranokid]

Always ask for the photo evidence we have to at work so we can pass it on to the driver
about a third of the tickets are dropped because the picture doesn't meet the requirments and they know they wouldn't be able to take it any futher but if you dont ask for the evidence and just pay the fine and get the points you are admitting that you were speeding and they wont need the photo evidence.

[JonathanM]

If your vehicle is privately registered, then the police have 14 days to send a Notice of Intention to Prosecute (NIP). Be aware, the excuse of not recieving a NIP doesn't work, if plod show that the NIp was generated 7 posted. you have a certain amount of time to reply, with driver details.

This particular GATSO does seem sensitive, I've seen a high number of apparent captures from ti, but you really don't know if there is any film in it. Sit tight, see what happens. Ask for a photo to help with driver recognition before owning up to being the driver. See what they offer. If they offer a fixed penalty, go with it, if they want magistrates, PM me, I know a good traffic offences solicitor in Widnes. Over 60 in a 40 mph zone may well probably be magistrates, BTW.

[Any other cars in the picture really renders it useless, be aware that they should provide an original print, uncropped, and plod have been known to crop a photo to remove other vehicles that may have triggered the camera.]

[mr-gadget]

Thanks for all the info. if i get a summons or what ever, I'll give you a shout Jonathan... Thanks...

[jace]

i got a normal size one then an a4 blowup all very well but all it showed was back of inca van no driver an no one in there right minds gonna yeagh it was them if they dont have to. i was told i should have a log of whos in what vehicle at what ever time and date and driver should be sigin them out with my lot id get row of "x"s all very well if your vehicles are worth anything all new an shiny but s reg inca 1.9d aint worth a great deal an i aint worried about it! another thing was i sent the summons thingy back to market harbrough mag court saying not guilty trouble is they dont acept mail so it was returned meanwhile because theyd heard nowt convicted me in abscence without me knowing first i knew was letter demanding £350 or baliffs would be round so ive had to get them to reopen it all they got right shirty about it aswell jumped up little git in front judges threw right wobbler!

[JonathanM]

Its to do with the rgistered keeper being responsible for the vehicle, and the registered keepr ultimately being responsible for knwoing who is driving.

I do know someone who genuinely (?) said that he & his wife couldn't recall who was driving their car on a certain road on a particular date, because they only own 1 car, both use it, and the road they were caught on is the main road from their village to civilisation. they attended magistrates, put a convincing case forward, and because 2 people were in effect both saying it could be them, but the law can't prosecute 2 people for driving, the magistrates actually dropped the case! I think the fact he is a doctor (upstanding pillar of the community & all that stuff) helped them though.

[robobone]

so much for the right to remain silent in jace,s case

mind after meeting jace dont think he could remain silent :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

only joking mate

[jace]

on motoring ofences you are guilty until you can prove your inocence im no lover of authority and question anything they tell me just because a man has fancy education and law degree dont make him better than me he will have to put he question in words i understand or i wont be able to answer them magistrates are only shop keepers and buisness people from local area they have no legal back ground rely on the clark to advise them! i realised long ago i could not do everything with brute strength and luckily enough found getting an education fairly easy to do whilst not putting to much effort into it ust the way i like things!

[Dalgety4]

Hi Mr G

Please see the forum on Speedo reading; It was meant to be a reply to your plight but I stupidly gave it a different subject name.

[Rincewind]

I have heard that the first thing to do when the ticket comes through is ask for a copy of the calibration certificate, to proove that the camera was within its calibration period when you were clocked. Apparently somthing like 30-40% of cameras are out of calibration at any one time, and if they can not prove the camera was calibrated they can not prosecute (but only if you ask the question). If you don't ask for the cretificate they will go ahead with the fixed penalty anyway, or if it goes to court the court will automatically assume that as it was/is not being challenges then all parties accept the the camera was calibrated so they will not ask for proof either. (guilty till proven inocent).

Rincewind

[jace]

the whole system is geared to scare you pay in x amount days £60 and 3 points or have time of work etc go to court an risk further penalties!

[JonathanM]

Magistrates do have a lot of training & support, so it isn't really fiar to paint a picture of them being ignorant of the issues in front of them, and besides, the clerk of the court is employed to provide guidance on sentencing etc, and this has pretty much always been the case.

Re right to silence, there has been a test case in the european human rights court, about incriminating youself by having to declare the driver. Got thrown out, so there isn't a way of trying to use human rights law to support an unwillingness to provide details.


Ultimately nowadays it just has to be seen that speeding is going to be punished, the best outcomes are going to be achieved through seeking appropriate legal advice. having said that, I'm not a lover of the cash cow machines on motorways etc, and I would like to see the urban speeders being caught more frequently. i do belive that there is a right time & place for speed, but the law diagrees. I have my own experiences of a near licence loosing court attendance for speeding on a quiet motorway with no adverse weather, in daylight (early morning) behind me, and find it very frustrating to stick to a 30 mph limit with people quite overtly exceeding the speed limt all around.

[jace]

yes around schools and built up areas there is a need for low speed limit but on open motorway in good conditions you shouldnt be punnished!

[(RIP) PLANK]

any more news on what happened with this :?:

[Deleted Member S]

I forgot about Mr gadget & the flasher :lol: If nothing has come through the door by now, it would not stand up in court as it's been over a month now :lol:

alot don't have film :wink: just get flashed

[JonathanM]

I forgot about Mr gadget & the flasher :lol: If nothing has come through the door by now, it would not stand up in court as it's been over a month now :lol:

Not always. In terms of posting a NiP, the police have 14 days to send it out. They don't have to prove receipt of the NiP by the registered owner though - means the defence of not received can't be used.

In reality though they are pretty good at sending them out, so I would say Mr Gadget, if he didn't hear anything, was in the clear.