28 sec kerosene

[jagdpanther]

I read with interest the posts on veg oil.
While working at a large steel works i became part of a group that used 28 sec kerosene in our deisel cars . 28 sec kerosene is heating oil, and when 1part cheap lub oil is added to 40 parts 28 sec kerosene it can be used in any deisel engine. Needs the lube oil as an upper cylinder lubricant
The advantages over veg oil is not just the price as it burns without smell, has less immisions than deisel, and makes no difference to winter starting.
For those of you useing heating oil for domestic purposes, it would be simple matter to convert your vehicle.
Im not sure of the price per ltr, but its at least half the cost of veg oil.

This post should really have been made in the veg oil thread and not started a new thread (CM)

[Terranosaurus]

Problem with that is the danger of being stopped and your tank dipped, Veg oil is now legal to use, heating oil is not legal for road use unless you ay the duty, by which time its more expensive than ordinary pump diesel.

[jace]

kerescene white/clear in colour so u may get away with it on roadside dip test it was on news this morning hmrc reckon 1 in 5 cars running red diesel no wonder with price white realy

[(RIP) PLANK]

excuse my ignorance but what is 28 sec kerosene? is is parafin? I have no idea :oops:

And when you say cheap lub oil do you mean engine oil? I am a bit lost sorry

[NEDDY]

Hi that type of fuel is for either Domestic or Industrial Heating You must have seen it many times the big green Tank sitting Pride of place in many gardens.Its a dry very dirty and was for many years a reasonably economic way of heating you're house But allas not now
It is after all just one of many bi-products from oil It can be gravity fed and often the tanks are built on stilts to allow the fuel to run nataurally to the burner you can olso lift the fuel with a tiger loop Years ago it was purely for heating but its us that are educating the government and once they have the info wer'e humped they a few years ago now put a dye in it and they have little men who drive about in pairs you would onestly think that they had fallen out of a jumbo jet with ther'e dark uniforms on with the gold bars on the cuffs white shirts &ties they olso have a real hat like the pilots they drive about in large white vans often MERCS with the back of it like a laborotory

excuse my ignorance but what is 28 sec kerosene? is is parafin? I have no idea :oops:

And when you say cheap lub oil do you mean engine oil? I am a bit lost sorry

Me too, when I lived in Germany kerosene was the name of parafine, not that I want to use it, I'm just interested.

[rossco]

Ah kerosene is paraffin where I come from but this dipping the tank thing whats that about, a bit out of the ark isn't it ?

Police and customs are allowed to dip our tanks to find out what we're running on 8O and therefore if duty has been paid on it. (Duty in UK on fuel is about 150%)

[jace]

i class it as parafin and if hmrc dip u and realise what it is theyll class it same as red take your car £250 for having it in fuel tank of road vehicle £250 for putting it in tank and if they can prove it back duty of fuel used for x amount time.
i think u should now stop using it and tell everyone reading u have before hmrc tip up theyll come from birmingham as they do midlands through to wales ( u never know whos reading or what they do for a living if u get my drift!)

[(RIP) PLANK]

I think it is all interesting stuff and as i am sure a few members have dedicated off road vehicles if may be of some use without braking the law!

[rossco]

Police and customs are allowed to dip our tanks to find out what we're running on 8O and therefore if duty has been paid on it. (Duty in UK on fuel is about 150%)

We didn't have anything like that since the 1950s from what my father tells me.

All the fuel is taxed now at the pump except for diesel where you pay by the kilometer as road user charges. Pump price for diesel seems cheap to petrol but the hidden taxes get you and can be more expensive than petrol.

Time you take into account of everything we are probably the same price as you guys.

[jagdpanther]

I have to admit that i have not used 28 sec kerosene (dom heating oil) since the last fuel strike , when it was difficult to know if i was going to be able to get to and from work.
My post was aimed more for the guys with a dedicated offroader, and perhaps in hindsight i should have pointed this out and the legalities of useing it in the first post of this thread.

[(RIP) PLANK]

I htink we all assumed that was what you meant :wink:

an interesting tip, I wonder if it has any environmental benefits :?: :lol:

[jace]

mtate mine lives out on fosse he has deliverefd as heating fuel think it was about 35p litre from what i understand its to dry for straight use hence bitove oil added id gues 50/50 mix be ok and with no red dye whod now!

[jagdpanther]

I would have thought a 50/50 mix was far to much. I ran a 1.7 lt t/d and the mix was around 1 ltr of cheap lub oil to 40 ltrs heating oil. I know of others that used a 1 to 25 mix. Obviously start off with the mix biased on the lub oil side and see how much smoke there is when running.
The cost at that time worked out at £1-05 per gallon :P

[jace]

sorry mate was thinkin 50/50 diesel mix

[(RIP) PLANK]

I still dont know what the cheap Lub oil would be? engine oil? veg oil? or something else?

[jagdpanther]

if you are contemplating useing 28 sec kerosene ( heating oil) the cheapest engine oil that you can buy is perfectly adequate to mix with it as its only in there as an upper cylinder lubricant and of course for the fuel pump lubrication.

[LouLou]

Asda do a cheap engine oil that would do the job admirably at £2.80 gal. They just market it as 20/50W with no S rating.

As an aside I did try Kero in my old Series petrol LR briefly to check the feasability. 30/70 Kero/petrol blend worked on a warm day with no pre-heating. Also double as a 4 wheeled imitation of the Red Arrows with the white cloud behind when you lifted off the go pedal ;)

Any more than 30% Kero resulted in way too much pinking. Read a few articles some time back where some areas with fuel availability problems were using close to 100% kero in early LR petrol engines but it was pre-heated prior to entering the carb. They did this by wrapping around 10 turns of copper pipe around the exh manifold! 8O

P

[jagdpanther]

Hmm , i dont think i would want to try it in a petrol engine, though haveing said that i know paraffin was used in petrol engines during the 2nd WW, though i think a thicker head gasket was used.
Yes that cheapy oil in supermarkets will do the job fine, after all its only going to get burned :P

[jace]

dont ol tractors use para/petrol mix ol grey fergies and such like

[(RIP) PLANK]

Jace dont they have engines designed for different fuels? side valves or somehting?

[jace]

possibly dont they call it tvo or something only tractors i use are 3cyl kubota lol

[LouLou]

possibly dont they call it tvo or something only tractors i use are 3cyl kubota lol

Got it one Jace. Very popular after WW2. :smile:

[(RIP) PLANK]

see i remembered some thing right, didnt some old british bikes have this type of engine as well, vincent springs to mind?

[jace]

you can et a matchless single cylinder diesel 0-60 eventualy!

[jagdpanther]

I owned 3 Vincents in the early 60s , a Comet, a Rapide, and a Lightning,
at the time i read up on just about everything there was to read on them and i am fairly certain TVOP was not used in any of the motorcycle engines.
However, the HRD engine ( later to become Vincent ) was used in powered gliders during WW2 so it is possible these engines ran on a paraffin mix.

[gadgetsyd]

Back in 60/61 a fellow impoverished aircraft apprentice ran his Ariel side valve on aviation kerosene, he had to use petrol to start it but once running turned on the kerosene, it did smell a bit, but as we worked and lived near Heathrow nobody took any notice of the smell.

[(RIP) PLANK]

My knowledge on this is limited but what ou have all said does match with stories my dad told me of motorcycling during his days in the RAF with V squadron bombers in the 50's

I htink these days though with all the electronics and egr's and turbos and stuff caution is the word with any modern engine, when thinking about alternative fuels!