whats going on

[ern1e]

first of all this is not a dig at anyone in anyway,

there is loads of topics going off and back on subject again which is not a problem but about the ones that do and nothing done about it ie posts being put in the wrong forums that even i can spot that shouldnt be there and post being removed with out being told until we ask

[Deleted account DD]

Please clarify a little.......................:thumb2

[Terranosaurus]

Must agree theres been a fair few posts in the wrong places recently - I've moved a few myself but whilst it shouldn't happen if you spot one, PM one of that sections mods, they're easy enough to change.

If a thread goes completely off topic to the point where it warrants another thread, again its easy enough to split the thread into two. Again just OM the relevant mod.

Deleted posts, as far as I;m aware this was in only one thread that got somewhat out of hand, can't rememeber who deleted te posts but with such a bulk delete, its fairly obvious what has happened and a bit much to expect the mod concerned to PM everyone individually. Perhaps a post within the thread to explain that posts had been deleted and why would have been a good idea, but then that is likely to start a whole new discussion on the same matter so I;m not sure it would help.

[Liam]

first of all this is not a dig at anyone in anyway,

there is loads of topics going off and back on subject again which is not a problem but about the ones that do and nothing done about it ie posts being put in the wrong forums that even i can spot that shouldnt be there and post being removed with out being told until we ask

Personally,I just look at the new posts and read through those I am interested in. Don't have a clue what Forum the posts are even in and don't care. If I need techie help then I will probably post in the right Forum but so long as the help is there (it always is) I don't much care.

[extreme-4x4]

i tend to only use the pub.... because it dont matter what you talk about in there.... and your allowed off topic too:thumbs

[makeitfit]

I just do the new posts bit for a spy as to whats happening:augie
Off topic pah so what it's just a natural progression as I see it:cool:
Chill ;)

[zippy656]

i use new post for most things. if i got a question ill search frist then ask in the right place, ( well i hope its the right place )


but who realy cares..

[ern1e]

Must agree theres been a fair few posts in the wrong places recently - I've moved a few myself but whilst it shouldn't happen if you spot one, PM one of that sections mods, they're easy enough to change.

If a thread goes completely off topic to the point where it warrants another thread, again its easy enough to split the thread into two. Again just OM the relevant mod.

Deleted posts, as far as I;m aware this was in only one thread that got somewhat out of hand, can't rememeber who deleted te posts but with such a bulk delete, its fairly obvious what has happened and a bit much to expect the mod concerned to PM everyone individually. Perhaps a post within the thread to explain that posts had been deleted and why would have been a good idea, but then that is likely to start a whole new discussion on the same matter so I;m not sure it would help.

this is the problem you seem to be online same as for toolbox which is good unlike some other mods that come online and have a moan and disappear for days on end,

i do understand having a family and work can take its toll on this sort of thing so even if we did pm the mod or mods in charge of the section how long would it take to get it sorted so in reality a reshuffle might be a good idea and this is not having a pop its the way i see things now

[lacroupade]

you mean as in change some of the mods?

[ern1e]

you mean as in change some of the mods?

read it how you want to as some members might say different

[lacroupade]

read it how you want to as some members might say different

well its a point of view ernie but I can't seem many people volunteering for what can be a thankless task....given that the new owner has opted for minimal intervention I guess it is the way it is....

[Paul]

well its a point of view ernie but I can't seem many people volunteering for what can be a thankless task....given that the new owner has opted for minimal intervention I guess it is the way it is....
Do you believe that can/will last for much longer? seen alot of new & old members go over the last few months..

[ern1e]

ive seen what goes on behind closed doors as i was a mod on the old site and the site before that and been up till early hours helping the site admin to get site to back online so members can keep on viewing the forums

[Paul]

ive seen what goes on behind closed doors as i was a mod on the old site and the site before that and been up till early hours helping the site admin to get site to back online so members can keep on viewing the forums
So do you think or is a need for change for the way we are modded (for a better word) here?

[makeitfit]

I dont know whos leaving all the time but there are 17 online now:augie

[Paul]

I dont know whos leaving all the time but there are 17 online now:augie
Out of how many members?

[Paul]

Just had a look..

Threads: 4,844, Posts: 55,013, Members: 1,430, Active Members: 1,013

Not a lot is it..

[Paul]

Forgot the smiley.. :augie

[makeitfit]

Ah sorry mate no idea:augie
Just a quick observation tis all.
I've only been on this sight a year so can only see there seems to be more online at least than last year:nenau

[ern1e]

in aways yes i can understand there is no need to but in until needed to but when do they decide when the time is right as some post can get out of hand.

[lacroupade]

Just had a look..

Threads: 4,844, Posts: 55,013, Members: 1,430, Active Members: 1,013

Not a lot is it..

x £10, less hosting costs...for one site? I'll have some thank you.:thumb2

[Paul]

x £10, less hosting costs...for one site? I'll have some thank you.:thumb2
But if they don't repay thats only for one year.

[Bat21]

in aways yes i can understand there is no need to but in until needed to but when do they decide when the time is right as some post can get out of hand.

Have you been on the sauce?..... I've read that 3 times now and it still doesn't make sense :doh

[lacroupade]

But if they don't repay thats only for one year.

But surely the bottom line Paul is that everyone gets what they want out of the site somehow.....if people want to get inside out about a non-technical post well thats their issue really...personally I joined before in 2005 and left after a year because I found it totally anal, it was like Nissan Dads Army I swear....I joined again recently and found it a breath of fresh air....not only do I get ALL the technical help i want, plus the chance to explore ideas, but I can have a laugh with a friendly crowd of people....easily worth a tenner of my money any day of the week.

And of course, if the site owner found his numbers declining year on year then he'd act to change how things work, but thats his problem to sort for obvious reasons...

Two smileys for good measure :):)

[lacroupade]

Have you been on the sauce?..... I've read that 3 times now and it still doesn't make sense :doh

I can barely type for laughing!!!!!:lol:lol:lol:lol

[ern1e]

well heres one i can think of and i cant see why it was removed,

HI MAV THIS IS YOUR POST .
READ IT THEN TELL ME WHY I SHOULD NOT HAVE REMOVED IT .
BEARING IN MIND I REMOVED 29 OTHER POSTS NONE OF WHICH WERE ON TOPIC AND WERE OF A NATURE THAT CAUSED OFFENCE.
Mav wrote.
Yes Plank i did and got slammed for doing it!, But it worked and we kept the peace but just look at it now, What a shame to see this going on in this 4x4owners club.

Theres poor old Bat21 and his wife stuck somewhere in Spain after being crunched by a truck, with loads of problems while others are talking of pursuing legal action!,

Where are the mods then and what are mods for? or is it a case of "not my problem".

Is this the way forward?

Mav.

heres the link,

http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4551

[lacroupade]

Ian was tidying up, at the request of several people, a thread that had a fair amount of what was deemed to be unsuitable content - lets not revisit that - so he bit the bullet and went through and removed all the irrelevant, off-topic posts that weren't to do with a stolen quad.....

[Bat21]

well heres one i can think of and i cant see why it was removed,



heres the link,

http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4551
That was an isolated incident 2 weeks ago when the girls were getting excited one evening.... why bring it up tonight :doh

We're moving on from the Nissan Dads Army Club days and this place is getting busier week on week :thumb2

[ern1e]

That was an isolated incident 2 weeks ago when the girls were getting excited one evening.... why bring it up tonight :doh

We're moving on from the Nissan Dads Army Club days and this place is getting busier week on week :thumb2

so what are you classing nissan dads army club as

[lacroupade]

Nissan Dads Army Club


Oi, thats copyright! :lol:lol:lol

[Bat21]

so what are you classing nissan dads army club as

The recession that the club was in for a long time :thumbs

[ern1e]

long time when can you pin point when

[lacroupade]

long time when can you pin point when

does it bloody matter?????????????????????????????:nenau

[ern1e]

yes ive asked a question

[lacroupade]

yes

then i suggest you need to get out more...its water under the bridge mate, no need to get all defensive or hankering after whatever 'good old days' you think there were, they're gone, and thank god for it. First time round was the biggest waste of a tenner I ever made. Last of the Summer Wine on steroids...the only thing missing was Norah Batty.

[lacroupade]

The club was gaining members (around 4) a week & that was nearly every week sometimes more so i'm a bit confused to how it was in recession:confused::confused::confused:At the min the back bone members seem to be leaving aswell as others

and nobody stops you advertising an alternative website in your sig either do they....I'm sure that doesn't have any bearing on the subject does it.:doh

[ern1e]

and whats wrong with asking a question

[ern1e]

i can spot one thing with this topic

[lacroupade]

Sorry to say this Ern1e but your getting shot down just like I do off lord lacroupade because you ask questions he don't like:augie

Sweety you can be as insulting as you like mate, its water off a ducks back. I just can't believe people make such a big deal out of such rubbish. Time for bed! :lol:lol:lol:lol

[lacroupade]

NO IT DON'T !!!!!!! as i've surported this club from the first day I joined which i'm not going to put up here but certain members will know

so perhaps you'd like to share the names of people who are no longer members here but are on the site you advertise?

Oh I know, none of my business I expect....:eek:

[lacroupade]

was it something i said?:nenau

[tezzer]

no, but your new web site dont work lol:lol:lol


perhaps it should be com

[Liam]

This is great!!! Everyone knows the Irish love a fight and here there is guaranteed to be one almost every night!! Brilliant. There must be a recession or something because some people are just picking on anything to get hot over. Best tenner spent ever, can't wait to renew my membership next year. Oh yeah, the technical help is excellent too,almost forgot about that!! One more thing, if I do get to cross the water this year, Yorkshire and Wales are two places I would like to go and meet some of the members. Now why is that? Oh yeah, they like having fun, even though Team Wales just slightly pips it over Dadba's crew. Probably because of the nutters in Team Wales, and the slightly better scenery.

P.S. What time is tonight's fight as I will probably be watching the Champions League Final and don't want to miss anything.

[Deleted Member D]

This is great!!! Everyone knows the Irish love a fight and here there is guaranteed to be one almost every night!! Brilliant. There must be a recession or something because some people are just picking on anything to get hot over. Best tenner spent ever, can't wait to renew my membership next year. Oh yeah, the technical help is excellent too,almost forgot about that!! One more thing, if I do get to cross the water this year, Yorkshire and Wales are two places I would like to go and meet some of the members. Now why is that? Oh yeah, they like having fun, even though Team Wales just slightly pips it over Dadba's crew. Probably because of the nutters in Team Wales, and the slightly better scenery.

P.S. What time is tonight's fight as I will probably be watching the Champions League Final and don't want to miss anything.Well said that man.

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Them in team Wales are outlaws tho and they manipulate the innocent too so be careful should you decide to use their hospitality.
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[willow]

:jesterbg:jesterbgI leave you alone for a minute and you get your nickers in a twist over nothing:lol:lol:lol CHILL OUT HAVE FUN:thumbs
How about the beach party:clap:clap

[Bat21]

The club was gaining members (around 4) a week & that was nearly every week sometimes more so i'm a bit confused to how it was in recession:confused::confused::confused:At the min the back bone members seem to be leaving aswell as others
But out of those 4 members a week (who had no choice but to pay their tenner before they could post anything) how many actually stayed. Evidence shows that the majority didn't return after JUST ONE DAY :eek:

We are currently experiencing 15+ new registrations per week here many of which seem to be logging on each day, not all opt to pay their £10 and become full members as this is now optional.

Change is a constant factor in life, you either move with the times or it swallows you up and you become discontented. Perhaps the ones that complain or worry about it are just reflecting the fact that they are no longer a big fish in a small pond anymore, ego is a wonderful thing.

The ones that think this place is on the downhill slide are also perhaps reflecting their own inner voice, there's a parallel to draw here with journalists who are talking the country into a deeper recession :thumbs

[jims-terrano]

"slightly better scenery" :eek:

Wot! Wot! Dadba get him!!!!! How can anyone talk about gods own county like that:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

Jim T

[mav]

Simple really, If you dont like it here you can move on plenty of other places starting up.

Nobodys telling you you must stay here are they? i think you all love it really deep down as you are all still login in everyday and thats what makes it so much fun.

I like the way it is now, Must admit it was a bit "dads army" ish before i like it better now people are allowed to say what they want it adds depth.

Well done chaps.

[rossco]

Umm what Topic are we on now ???? :naughty :)

[zippy656]

who knows,

and who really cares, all good friends here, we can talk about any thing!

[mav]

Please try and keep up Rossco.

Has it been a long day for you chap?.

Soon be bed time.

Mav.

[mav]

Have you been on the sauce?

Have you been drinking out of the Thames Ernie? Can you send me a couple of bottles please?
They say drinking makes people speak how they feel, not sure if it true!.

I remember the "Only fools and horses" episode where they bottled up the green radio active spa water, Fantastic!!!!.

[extreme-4x4]

ok............so who's going to lord it up today:D

[lacroupade]

Well said that man.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg43/dadba/Dec%2007%20to%20Dec%2008/dadba1/Emoticons/jump.gif
Them in team Wales are outlaws tho and they manipulate the innocent too so be careful should you decide to use their hospitality.
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Liar! The sheep was your idea.....:lol:lol:lol:lol

[lacroupade]

ok............so who's going to lord it up today:D

Time for a breather today, I'm not in an aggro mood having fixed that poxy Renault. Mind you, £22 for a foot of rubber tubing to some carbon canister thingy is a bit of a mickeytake...but the Darling Daughters have to be catered for...:doh

[Deleted account DD]

no, but your new web site dont work lol:lol:lol


perhaps it should be com


ahhhhhh..........wondered why it made less sense than some of the posts in here :D

[lacroupade]

ahhhhhh..........wondered why it made less sense than some of the posts in here :D

a post that makes sense...? sorry I'm not getting that alien concept Dave :nenau

[Deleted account DD]

a post that makes sense...? sorry I'm not getting that alien concept Dave :nenau

Your not tricking me that easily you cunning chap, I said less sense


:lol :)

[lacroupade]

Your not tricking me that easily you cunning chap, I said less sense


:lol :)

is this the verbal equivalent of putting me in a barrel and telling me to piss in the corner? :lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

[Deleted account DD]

I have no further comment to make (without representation) due to the fact someone somewhere will shoot me down, I'm off topic :lol:lol:lol

[makeitfit]

I used to like topics but I've got too many teeth missing these days:D

[ern1e]

my first piont is i posted this in the wrong section so where was the mods and its gone off topic already with in the a few posts and yes the old site was a bit dad army but no one made you lot stay so why winge about it now you had freedom of speech then we are all as bad as each other and some times worst,

[Deleted account DD]

I used to like topics but I've got too many teeth missing these days:D

:D thats even more bizzare, whats going on here?







see the nice little switch back onto topic ;):cool:

[Deleted account DD]

my first piont is i posted this in the wrong section so where was the mods and its gone off topic already with in the a few posts and yes the old site was a bit dad army but no one made you lot stay so why winge about it now you had freedom of speech then we are all as bad as each other and some times worst,


I think I can see where youre coming from ern1e. So a serious question on topic:

If you had free rein, how would you organise the forum and what changes would you make.

I made my point ages ago re moderating, I think it should be firmer but I am just one pleb amongst hundreds and I can see both sides of the debate :)

[Bat21]

my first piont is i posted this in the wrong section so where was the mods and its gone off topic already with in the a few posts and yes the old site was a bit dad army but no one made you lot stay so why winge about it now you had freedom of speech then we are all as bad as each other and some times worst,

Ern, can you silp a few ,,,'s and ...'s into your next post, I almost passed out reading that in one breath ;)

[ern1e]

I think I can see where youre coming from ern1e. So a serious question on topic:

If you had free rein, how would you organise the forum and what changes would you make.

I made my point ages ago re moderating, I think it should be firmer but I am just one pleb amongst hundreds and I can see both sides of the debate :)

first of all i thought there was x amount of forums on here for ie tech, meet up etc etc so where are post being put in the wrong area why should i look though all of them for some one to say this subject has been covered and it would be nice for that member to put the link up if it has been,

as for the some of mods the members can do a better job of policing this site and it would be nice to hear from all mods views on this so we all can see where we all stand on this to which i doubt they will

[ern1e]

Ern, can you silp a few ,,,'s and ...'s into your next post, I almost passed out reading that in one breath ;)

sorry i didnt go to school that much but im happy how far ive come in life buts its a bit like reading zippys post then

[zippy656]

hay what did i do then. i use ,,,,,,,'s and .........'s OK so 99% might be in the wrong place but i try

[ern1e]

hay what did i do then. i use ,,,,,,,'s and .........'s OK so 99% might be in the wrong place but i try

exactly we all try

[zippy656]

Mrs Zippy says ive very trying at times too!!

[extreme-4x4]

Mrs Zippy says ive very trying at times too!!

christ. zi,ps we;d all say "yooor t,ry'ing all tha time........

[Deleted account DD]

If you had free rein, how would you organise the forum and what changes would you make.



So come on ern, lets have an answer ;)

[zippy656]

to get stuff for free very true...

open to offers..

free stuff that is..

come on eextreme, i even got one of my kids buy on get one free!!!

[ern1e]

first of all i thought there was x amount of forums on here for ie tech, meet up etc etc so where are post being put in the wrong area why should i look though all of them for some one to say this subject has been covered and it would be nice for that member to put the link up if it has been,

as for the some of mods the members can do a better job of policing this site and it would be nice to hear from all mods views on this so we all can see where we all stand on this to which i doubt they will

these would be my changes and while we are on the subject what we all do if we could change the we this forum is run

[extreme-4x4]

i think if you was asking a mod for opinions on the site you will find mods dont have an opinion.

however if you asked me as a member . id say if you join in on a regular basis you often pick things up from one thread that you might not have been looking for , so i have learned thing by not even looking

but if i wanted to find something in particular i would ask the question and someone will help anyway

[(RIP) PLANK]

I cant resist putting my opinion in here, in the example thread you mentioned it was in fact the inappropriate comments of a 'Mod' that began the whole problem, he did i beleive realise the error of his ways and that is all that is needed - problem arrises, some one point sit out, apology from person who made he mistake, and we all move on.

If the problem persists then yes by all means delete threads etc.

I see no wrong in the odd heated debate, it has an element of the 'dialectic' in it, in that someome puts forward an idea and then we all agree or disagree and reach a group conclusion.

I think the peoblems occur when people jump in without having read the whole thread with opinions that simply muddy the water further. when things break down to this level, with silly statments flying, then perhaps yes delete the lot.

if there are particular areas that seem to cause problems, then why not find a moderator or 'advisor to the oderators on that topic' who's opinion can be sought to clear up the problem?

In this case it was the issue of race / racism, and this is often a problem area, so why not get some one to 'advise' if not moderate in this field? some one who's area of expertise lie in that area?

all just food for thought!

[ern1e]

i think if you was asking a mod for opinions on the site you will find mods dont have an opinion.

you do have opinion you choose not to in case get told not to bit back,

bat choose to have a laid back approach for the mods so its up to you if you dont wont to speak out

[Terranosaurus]

first of all i thought there was x amount of forums on here for ie tech, meet up etc etc so where are post being put in the wrong area why should i look though all of them for some one to say this subject has been covered and it would be nice for that member to put the link up if it has been,

as for the some of mods the members can do a better job of policing this site and it would be nice to hear from all mods views on this so we all can see where we all stand on this to which i doubt they will

Personally yes I agree.

Posts should be put in the relevant forum, its just lazy and discourteous to do otherwise, sometimes its not aways obvious which of 2 that might be and thats fair enough but of late the "I'm new here be gentle" forum has been being used as a general question area, thats not what its for its for people to introduce themselves and be made welcome. So if you're unsure post in one of the choices, it can always be moved later, bt at least make the effort to try. Perhaps a note as is often seen on forums, along the lines of - "sorry if this is the wrong place, wasn't sure were to put it, if wrong pls fel free to move".

I also agree if you have a question by all means ask it, I don't think its oo much to ask for you to have a quick look and see if you can find the answer yourself but I know full well what it can be like looking through old post trying to find answers - even when you know they are there.

So assuming you have had a quick look, can't find an answer, so you start a new thread and ask your question. People should either answer it if they can or link you to where the answer can be found if they know where that is - to simply say this has been asked loads of times is without providing some form of answer or help is just discourteous.

If later on a mod comes along and decides that the new question and the old thread would actually be better off combined into one thread, to keep all the info together, this can be done quite easily. Doesn't happen very often but perhaps it should.

[makeitfit]

I must say guys I look in the search thing often and can never find what I want:augie Even when I know I've read it before:doh
Maybe there is an easier way to search AND find stuff.
Not fussed but just an observation:cool:

[Deleted account DD]

I dont think the issue is a thread going off topic now and then . Developing a discussion from oil filter micron capability through to whats the most painful sunburn youve ever had is all part of a group of people having an animated conversation. It happens :augie

Where potential problems lurk is in the area of inappropriate comments and behaviour.

Essentially if someone asks a question and another poster tells them to piss off, do we accept that as the rough and tumble or do we deem it inappropriate ?

Thats an extreme example to make a point. A lot of what I've seen on here is more subtle.

[lacroupade]

By the way ern1e, apologies for having a go last night, I was just in a spiky mood due to lack of alcohol! No offence intended. :):):):):):):):):):):)

[ern1e]

By the way ern1e, apologies for having a go last night, I was just in a spiky mood due to lack of alcohol! No offence intended. :):):):):):):):):):):)

didnt even notice

[extreme-4x4]

you do have opinion you choose not to in case get told not to bit back,


bat choose to have a laid back approach for the mods so its up to you if you dont wont to speak out




no i don't think you understand its not a moderator job to have an opinion on the site. it is what it is and the rules of the club are clear

as a member i like it as it is,
i do have an opinion and will air it as everyone knows, but i think you need two hats to mod..... as i think they do very well.

the mods are still members and still should be treated as such. for example my opinion is no greater than someone else s , just cos im green that don't make me right...

if / when i have to moderate something i do it clearly and pm the person/persons involved , as i have on occasions. but that's it for modding. its just a i have time to put into watching the site to make sure everyone is happy and safe. a point of contact if you need something or unhappy with something

but im still a member same as you or anyone else. im going to have diferant views but everyone is allowed their say

i think bat said it best earlier about big fish in a small pond... well not anymore, everyone is equal

[lacroupade]

My view, for what its worth, which ain't a lot, is that the general consensus seems to be that most people are happy with the relaxed style of the site....when all's said and done I don't actually think anyone goes away not having found what what they were looking for, and yes, probably a good idea to make sure tech posts are put in the right sections.

Other than that, the ideal thing would be a single point of contact in case anyone wants to alert a mod to an inappropriate thread or behaviour so that it can be dealt with as necessary. Given that most of the mods have busy lives it would make sense for them all to have the ability to act on, say, a racist or otherwise unpleasant thread and have some central point that they can all monitor as and when they have time, where people can log their concerns.

That place ought to be out of sight to other members, so that people can feel free to voice their concerns without fear of criticism, and giving all mods the same power would ensure that someone would be along fairly soon on any given day to check the log and act.

[extreme-4x4]

My view, for what its worth, which ain't a lot, is that the general consensus seems to be that most people are happy with the relaxed style of the site....when all's said and done I don't actually think anyone goes away not having found what what they were looking for, and yes, probably a good idea to make sure tech posts are put in the right sections.

Other than that, the ideal thing would be a single point of contact in case anyone wants to alert a mod to an inappropriate thread or behaviour so that it can be dealt with as necessary. Given that most of the mods have busy lives it would make sense for them all to have the ability to act on, say, a racist or otherwise unpleasant thread and have some central point that they can all monitor as and when they have time, where people can log their concerns.

That place ought to be out of sight to other members, so that people can feel free to voice their concerns without fear of criticism, and giving all mods the same power would ensure that someone would be along fairly soon on any given day to check the log and act.


even given my limited experience and available tools, i think its still possible to act on the slight problems that might and sometimes do occur. like the ones mentioned above. im often contacted by members for all sorts of reasons, from membership to inappropriate posts to more serious problems . but if im contacted or i see something... its acted on

as some of you already know:thumbs

[Paul]

even given my limited experience and available tools, i think its still possible to act on the slight problems that might and sometimes do occur. like the ones mentioned above. im often contacted by members for all sorts of reasons, from membership to inappropriate posts to more serious problems . but if im contacted or i see something... its acted on




as some of you already know:thumbs

Like who??
Like Simom said abit back I posted about posts being put any where on here only to be told so what in a way, not alot of point having sections for things when you can post in any but the right one.

[extreme-4x4]

i cant give names that would be unfair and unprofessional ... :rolleyes:

but i only use the pub and the wales section as a rule cos i can discuss anything in them rooms

[Paul]

i cant give names that would be unfair and unprofessional ... :rolleyes:

but i only use the pub and the wales section as a rule cos i can discuss anything in them rooms
So why bring it up then if you won't name? thats unfair/unprofessional.

[extreme-4x4]

because people were asking what mods are doing and the role they play....... i was explaining it to them.
anyway i dont need to name names the things i have done the people concerned know anyway. and the ones who dont know, obviously have not asked me for help, advise and stuff.

[(RIP) PLANK]

would it be possible to get a list of things that have caused general offence / upset in the past, so we can work towards what people should keep an eye out for? add the subject matter that you have seen to cause problems or offence to the list (or not this probably wont work)

obvious first one:

race/racism

[Paul]

because people were asking what mods are doing and the role they play....... i was explaining it to them.
anyway i dont need to name names the things i have done the people concerned know anyway. and the ones who dont know, obviously have not asked me for help, advise and stuff.
But I think you do by saying you know who you are! Should us as paying members also know??

would it be possible to get a list of things that have caused general offence / upset in the past, so we can work towards what people should keep an eye out for? add the subject matter that you have seen to cause problems or offence to the list (or not this probably wont work)

obvious first one:

race/racism
Well said!!

[makeitfit]

My opinion , not that of the BBC etc etc
The last few times I saw "racist" stuff , I was amazed at the outcry from peops on here. I mean so what if I reckon the guys who buy my scrap are from hippo land, or that I buy my cocktails off a bent waiter:augie
Seems to get worse the more fuss is made:confused:

[extreme-4x4]

But I think you do by saying you know who you are! Should us as paying members also know??


Well said!!

so you want names of members who, might have asked me to edit or delete a thread because one member was unhappy with the content of a 5 mins old thread. when they contacted me in confidance


can i say this ???????? grow up

[Paul]

so you want names of members who, might have asked me to edit or delete a thread because one member was unhappy with the content of a 5 mins old thread. when they contacted me in confidance


can i say this ???????? grow up
If you read what I put I asked you to name the members you say have posted in a way for you to tell them they are on the wrong side of the tracks, you said you know who they are!! why should we not.
BTW With the posts you have posted you tell me to grow up LOL..

[Paul]

so you want names of members who, might have asked me to edit or delete a thread because one member was unhappy with the content of a 5 mins old thread. when they contacted me in confidance


can i say this ???????? grow up
Heres one of your posts..
"it was invite only for these reasons
we have members who are police ( nice people ) but if you want to discuss protests and stuff you dont discuss it with police do you
this was the same for glass and crag members . cos they wouldn't approve either."

Well done that's grown up if I have ever seen it!! NOT..

[ern1e]

so you want names of members who, might have asked me to edit or delete a thread because one member was unhappy with the content of a 5 mins old thread. when they contacted me in confidance


can i say this ???????? grow up

i thought there was not going to be any deleting or editing of postam i right on this,

only bat can can answer this one

[Bat21]

i thought there was not going to be any deleting or editing of postam i right on this,
No.

[rossco]

Gee posting 117 and I joined at 53 last night I guess I'll have to stay up all night to keep up
Don't you guys go to work or sleep :p


:jesterbg

[ern1e]

bat whats your view on your mods having view what goes on with in the site,

dont be shy mods you dont have to suck up

[zippy656]

i work and sleep!

promise!!

[ssteve]

Simple really, If you dont like it here you can move on plenty of other places starting up.

Nobodys telling you you must stay here are they? i think you all love it really deep down as you are all still login in everyday and thats what makes it so much fun.

I like the way it is now, Must admit it was a bit "dads army" ish before i like it better now people are allowed to say what they want it adds depth.

Well done chaps.

well said mav

[Bat21]

bat whats your view on your mods having view what goes on with in the site,

dont be shy mods you dont have to suck up

Ern, please don't take this the wrong way but..... I don't understand what you are asking, can you word it differently?

[ssteve]

my first piont is i posted this in the wrong section so where was the mods and its gone off topic already with in the a few posts and yes the old site was a bit dad army but no one made you lot stay so why winge about it now you had freedom of speech then we are all as bad as each other and some times worst,

ernie, spelling and punctuation please.
every time i read your posts i laugh my ass off
ssteve

[zippy656]

ernie, spelling and punctuation please.
every time i read your posts i laugh my ass off
ssteve


are you sitting comfortably?

[Terranosaurus]

bat whats your view on your mods having view what goes on with in the site,

dont be shy mods you dont have to suck up

Ern1e - I don't know what you think there is to see but really paid up mambers can see almost everything there is to see, mods can see 1 small forum where mods and Paul can discuss that other than that theres just an admin control panel, akin to the user control panel, it controls all the various functions but theres nothing really thats worth seeing.

[Deleted account DD]

ernie, spelling and punctuation please.
every time i read your posts i laugh my ass off
ssteve

Unless you are sure ern is conducting a grammatical wind up in which case i will stand corrected, that is exactly the condescending type of (not so subtle in this case) nastiness I mentioned.

[Bat21]

Unless you are sure ern is conducting a grammatical wind up in which case i will stand corrected, that is exactly the condescending type of (not so subtle in this case) nastiness I mentioned.

That's not nastiness, it's called banter... or are you now conducting a wind up ;)

[Deleted account DD]

That's not nastiness, it's called banter... or are you now conducting a wind up ;)

No I'm not and you're completely wrong.

Its not banter if you're dyslexic as my mate who was bullied off a forum by an individual with an aproach similar to Ssteves will tell you.

If ern is not taking the p and of course he may be, I don't know him, but if he isnt and comes on to protest he now has site admin calling it banter and a contributor humiliating him. Good level playing field........not!

Nothing personal, just an observation.

[ern1e]

Ern, please don't take this the wrong way but..... I don't understand what you are asking, can you word it differently?

yes i can why have so many mods when only a couple take part in whats going on and put the world to rights and enjoys it and has a laugh,

not like the ones that come on here and say "that enough of that" and then disappear until next time you have got regular members that put more in to this club then them

[ern1e]

No I'm not and you're completely wrong.

Its not banter if you're dyslexic as my mate who was bullied off a forum by an individual with an aproach similar to Ssteves will tell you.

If ern is not taking the p and of course he may be, I don't know him, but if he isnt and comes on to protest he now has site admin calling it banter and a contributor humiliating him. Good level playing field........not!

Nothing personal, just an observation.

thank you

im not bothered what members say about my spelling and what ever else ive come this far in life with what i got behind me so care as long as im happy

[Toolbox]

thank you

im not bothered what members say about my spelling and what ever else ive come this far in life with what i got behind me so care as long as im happy

I like it Ern1e, good for you.

[wildbri]

remind me NOT to click on this post again...............It's so, so, negative bri

[extreme-4x4]

I like it Ern1e, good for you.


im with him too. spelling and punctuation is good but not the end of the world, ok it takes a bit of effort to work it out.... its not a problem for me

in response to ern1e's question. not everyone has time like that to put into it. some might be on holiday or sick.

some do other jobs like terra does, whereas i just sit here and watch while im here. but there is usualy someone modding here so you have a point of contact

overall i think there is a good blend of mods and modding styles here

[ssteve]

No I'm not and you're completely wrong.

Its not banter if you're dyslexic as my mate who was bullied off a forum by an individual with an aproach similar to Ssteves will tell you.

If ern is not taking the p and of course he may be, I don't know him, but if he isnt and comes on to protest he now has site admin calling it banter and a contributor humiliating him. Good level playing field........not!

Nothing personal, just an observation.

and an interesting one at that!!
ssteve

[mav]

Ernie (TA21 as he was) is a top bloke and he does spell and say how he sees it, He has been here from the very early days (16-11 2004)!. and made nearly 500 posts.
I think if he has a couple of questions to ask then he should ask away.

Anyone that has met Ernie knows what a good hearted bloke he really is and he`s one of them that would travel miles to help anyone and has done for this club in the past.

Well done Ernie. :clap:clap:clap

You`ll always get my respect.

Mav.

[Deleted account DD]

im not bothered what members say about my spelling and what ever else ive come this far in life with what i got behind me so care as long as im happy

Man after my own heart :thumb2

[lacroupade]

thank you

im not bothered what members say about my spelling and what ever else ive come this far in life with what i got behind me so care as long as im happy

Nicely said ern1e - I'm liking your attitude more and more each day! :thumb2:thumb2:thumb2

[(RIP) PLANK]

Well, i have just got back home and ead the latest additions to this thread, I think it is a pretty good example of how small issues can be resolved without any real problems, and overall is not negative at all.

I think it is also fair to say though that the mods are not super human and while they obviously have an interest in 4x4's Nisssan and forums/ computing, here are issues that arrise that are beyond theor area of expertise and sometimes mstkaes are made.

I think in any area of life, for avery individual involved her has to be a 'what's in it for me?' for members the answer is a good lvely club, but put yourself in a mods position and ask yourself the same question!

I cant think why someone woudl want all the problems for little reward outside being able to say 'I am a moderator' so personaly I don see this as an us and them just members and members with more responisbilites. I don't see why we cant have a simple way of resolving issues without making any more hard work for mods.

As i have said before th only threads i have seen that have caused real problems are those that make negative references to race/ethnicity, so in this case a simple rule of thumb would be if someoone complains delete the comments they complained about, simple! no half baked opinions flying around making it worse, just delete and move on! job done.

[johnboy]

Just read through this whole thread and now decided to throw in my 2 penny's.

Bat and some mod's have been stating that the site is being run in a more relaxed less 'hands-on' way. Ok good. try it. let's see how it goes. HOWEVER How can anyone say that, ok racism is not acceptable on the site. How can people say that when all that has really happened in this whole thread is certain people seem to shoot others down at every oppertunity. DISCRIMINATE in ways which really are as bad as racist comments.
If i was to start a thread saying *TEAM WALES are all arseholes and a bunch of stuck up dickheads who take the piss out of anyone that's not welsh(only an example) the whole site would come down on me and i would effectivly get told to **** off. So my point being why should some people be allowed to get away with it and others get ridiclued. after all as is stated many times everyone is allowed there own opinion. Poeple mention about good friends and things. Personally i don't see it. I see some members 'on-top' decideing who fits and who doesn't.
2) Last thing is all the piss taking in topics. Fine yeah again bat has decided to take a laid back approach. yeah good. but coming on, taking the piss, then leaving. Honestly NO-ONE should really be doing that. yeah ok with the members you know yeah, take the piss all you want, but not with guys you don't. Not everyone are thick skinned and some people can take offense really easy. And bat with you running a site with over 1000 memebrs and £10 a head. you'd really miss that if it all went. I'm not trying to tell you how to do anything. i'm merely saying my point of view.

*Please note this was only an example and by know means represents any truth or opinion.

[lacroupade]

Johnboy - all good points, but I'm not sure we'll ever escape a lot of that because by its very nature, this site represents a cross-section of life, so its a bit like a Friday night in your local pub - all sorts going down but hopefully we all stagger home happy at the end of the night, mission accomplished so to speak! :thumbs

Only difference is, nobody gets laid....:(

[extreme-4x4]

Johnboy - all good points, but I'm not sure we'll ever escape a lot of that because by its very nature, this site represents a cross-section of life, so its a bit like a Friday night in your local pub - all sorts going down but hopefully we all stagger home happy at the end of the night, mission accomplished so to speak! :thumbs

Only difference is, nobody gets laid....:(



speak for yorself:p

[(RIP) PLANK]

well there has been some fun in ths thread and some good points, i see the point about wind ups and taking the p*** form members but it doesnt really compare to the racism issues as winding people up and taking the p*** isn't against the law! and wont bring the club into a legal action situation! I have no objection to a bit of banter and a few heated debates as long as it stays legal.

I think my real point here is, that has this thread now got anything more to say of any benefit? or is it time to close it and move on?

[Deleted account DD]

speak for yorself:p

I spent ages trying to think of a clever answer to that one thats publishable :doh

[Deleted account DD]

is it time to close it and move on?

almost definitely, mind you, have you seen the number of hits its had :eek:

[extreme-4x4]

well its got my vote. id love to move on, fresh start and all that


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