fun social group now closed.... sorry

[extreme-4x4]

ive decided to close the not so legal ... but fun social group

as bat pointed out having an area to take the piss out of other members is not a clever thing to do

that was not the intention nor was it used in that way in its 24hr lifespan

the social group was made up at willows request to

1 post funny videos
2 tell funny rude naughty jokes (offensive ones) but funny
3 discuss not so legal things like running on kerro
4 discuss options to keep our lanes open in wales... more than likely not legal either

but thats why we formed it, but to make it very clear it was not to make fun or take the piss out of people

it was to discuss stuff some people might find offensive or pushing the boundaries a little, and discuss ways of standing up for our rights

it was invite only for these reasons
we have members who are police ( nice people ) but if you want to discuss protests and stuff you dont discuss it with police do you
this was the same for glass and crag members . cos they wouldn't approve either.
and how many times have we said a joke or statement that someone has found offensive.

we just wanted to discuss things post videos etc in a place that would not be available for the greenies or anti 4x4 people to use as propaganda against the club

anyway its gone now

[nejones]

Seems like you need to set up your own website to have the freedom to discuss the 'not so legal' things that you want to discuss.

And then you'd be free to take the .... out of anyone you wanted to.

[Deleted account DD]

Quite subversive really. I had no idea this "secret society" existed within the 4x4 club/site and to be honest if its a quasi official part of it it takes the shine off the site a little :(

Having previously been a member of a site and the secret little section within it, it doesnt work, it will trash the site. A web site has to to do the most for the most or it will die.

On a slight aside preconcepts based on stereotyping are rarely accurate :doh think about it.

[Deleted account DD]

the social group was made up at willows request to


3 discuss not so legal things like running on kerro
4 discuss options to keep our lanes open in wales... more than likely not legal either



Is that appropriate for a moderator to be running or advocating on a public site, setting an example etc :confused:

[extreme-4x4]

what so because im green, im not allowed an opinion ?
the boss can have it back anytime he sees fit,
i joined and paid up cos i wanted to join a group, im not here to suck up or do things the way im told..... im a free

so if they close the lanes to traffic we cant cycle in and lock the gates to inconvenience the ones who stop us
maybe picket entries to lanes to cause councils problems


running on kerro is ok if you pay the duty on it

anyway i did try to discuss it out of the way. that was a bad idea so its here now

[Deleted account DD]

No one , least of all me, said you weren't allowed an opinion.

What I alluded to is that a moderator is supposed to set the standards.

You can argue the nuances of what you put as long as you want, but it was you who indicated unlawful activities could be discussed. Its there in black and white as one of the reasons for the secret squirrel section existing.

I would suggest for the better being of the site you take anything thats past potentially objectionable to pm & email.

If you want to "push the boundaries" lawfully and morally change the site so certain threads are only visible to paid up members who agree to the terms and conditions. I for one am quite capable of ignoring threads I dont like. That's very very easy to administrate. I can see why for example mods would have their own section to help run the site. I'd be surprised if that's not already in place.

At the end of the day is this a 4x4 and technical site we've paid our dosh for or a Kerro burning Bridleway commando anarchists haven :confused:

Believe you me however secret your section info leaks and shit sticks :thumb2

[Liam]

What I alluded to is that a moderator is supposed to set the standards.

Is it not the moderator's job to apply the standards,not set them? If all moderators set standards there would surely be a possibility of many different standards being applied. I believe the site standards should be set by the owner i.e. Bat21 , and then be applied equally by all site moderators. That would be fair.

[extreme-4x4]

dave thats why they wanted to use one of those private rooms provided by the boss when he set up the new site.
they have been there all the time ....just no one used them

it was put out of peoples way so as not to offend. within the rules of the club

also i see no harm in discussing peaceful protests even less peaceful if it gets heard....... or using kero if you pay the duty

the fact that the boss made me a mod is his choice. im not fussed either way. but im not here to lead by example or tell people what to do or think or even write. its there club not mine or any other mods

if someone is being picked on or bullied ill intervene or some one is posting offensive stuff, but that's it the rules as i understand them are very simple

let people discuss what they like. just no nasty stuff or bullying

as a mod im only here to monitor the site for bad stuff to help the boss im not here to run it for him or tell anyone what to do.
so being green means im as equal to you or anyone.
it just means i spend the time to read everything to make sure everyone feels safe and happy

everyone is equal here

[Deleted account DD]

ive decided to close the not so legal ... but fun social group

but thats why we formed it, but to make it very clear it was not to make fun or take the piss out of people


Is it not the moderator's job to apply the standards,not set them? If all moderators set standards there would surely be a possibility of many different standards being applied. I believe the site standards should be set by the owner i.e. Bat21 , and then be applied equally by all site moderators. That would be fair.

Good points but the argument so far is full of contradictions.

The original post suggests decision making or involvment by extreme in that process. Therefore the mods on here can be clearly seen to be doing more than blindly following instructions.

What you say pajo is correct but stops short of the point I was making.

If you want an analogy to back up your point though , as extreme is so fond of his local cops ;) , here goes

The Site Administrator makes the rules (ie is the statutory body and sets the standards...the government)

They set those standards (sometimes in consultation) and then look to someone to ensure they are followed ie in the real world or on here to use a term ...to "Police" (using the word in its purest sense) the scene. On here those policing are known as moderators ;)

In the real world anyone policing any situation has to be above criticism and avoid becoming embroiled in the politics or arguments of the situation. They must stand off a little and be more objective. Unless you're looking at developing an anarchists site as opposed to 4x4 they must also be morally and lawfully beyond reproach.

I'll refer you again to the comments regarding "not so legal matters" its there in black and white however often extreme repeatedly argues the nuances .

Extreme wants his freedom, fine , but the more responsibilities you take on the more they are reduced. Moderating is a responsibility which requires policing of the site. Police a situation and those freedoms start to contract significantly within that arena :thumb2



ps thats why I'd never get to be a mod, I'm too stroppy :lol

[zippy]

the only problem I have is that I would like to see the posts on running on kero

[Deleted account DD]

the only problem I have is that I would like to see the posts on running on kero


:lol:lol:lol:lol

[lacroupade]

ps thats why I'd never get to be a mod, I'm too stroppy :lol


Triple:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol!! LMAO!

[lacroupade]

I'm going to say it because we're all getting a bit carried away - and I've said it before.

This is a privately-owned pay-to-view website, so frankly it doesn't matter a jot what anyone says about anything or what anyone does. The one and only arbiter of good taste is the person who owns the website and collects the subscriptions. The Mods can only do what he tells them to do, and act in the way he tells them to act.

If that weren't enough, this is t'interweb remember; anarchy rules whether you like it or not.:thumbs

There are no other rules, period.:nenau

[Deleted account DD]

Agreed.

I've previously been deeply involved in many sites but 2 in particular spring to mind. One as a mod and one as a founding member & member of secret area :naughty

Both went horrendously wrong, loads of reasons but not least I didnt practice what I'm preaching here.

There arent many rules but if you go against what some would describe as "normal" behaviour & standards, you'll sink if they choose to torpedo you , its just the way it works ;)

[lacroupade]

Quite right Dave - the 'rules' if there are any are only moral, and since there are no other rules, when you break those you have to take whatever comes as a result, its the price of sticking your head above the parapet....and fair play to those that do!!

As the saying goes, "the man who never did anything wrong, probably never did anything".....

Still, never a dull moment eh?!:lol

[extreme-4x4]

ive decided to close the not so legal ... but fun social group

but thats why we formed it, but to make it very clear it was not to make fun or take the piss out of people

well only one can open it and close it... it was a joint idea. but only one could press the buttons ....... stupidly that was me

so i shall consider myself torpedoed

if you remember, when bat took over he told everyone the site is not to be policed as such. and the mods dont police like they used to

personally i think the site works better this way.

[lacroupade]

ive decided to close the not so legal ... but fun social group

but thats why we formed it, but to make it very clear it was not to make fun or take the piss out of people

well only one can open it and close it... it was a joint idea. but only one could press the buttons ....... stupidly that was me

so i shall consider myself torpedoed

if you remember, when bat took over he told everyone the site is not to be policed as such. and the mods dont police like they used to

personally i think the site works better this way.

you don't need that to take the piss out of me mate!:lol:lol:lol

[Deleted account DD]

I go entirely with what admin wants, its their right and wish. However there are two site I am a member of that people form my line of work frequent ;) (personally I avoid the work bits and go into the social and silly parts but hey:augie)

One is very strictly moderated. One is supposed to be almost self moderated.

I think you know which one I'm going to tell you is thriving and which self moderating one isnt :D honest, that no bullshit.

Both sites started out equally a few years back but the self moderating one is now dominated by a peurile clique (which I'll cough to being a a member of before becoming disillusioned with ) now led by a couple of top quality bullies and a dodgy opinionated mod. Theyre struggling big time

The other is strictly moderated and thriving. Theyre doing the most for the most and if some people walk or get booted. Tough.

I suspect this site falls in between those two.

Takes time though to level out.

I wouldnt have believed it tbh if someone had told me but in the very best almost evangelical sense I've seen it with my own eyes :bow

:thumb2

[Deleted account DD]

so i shall consider myself torpedoed





Not remotely :D:thumb2

[ern1e]

if you remember, when bat took over he told everyone the site is not to be policed as such. and the mods dont police like they used to

personally i think the site works better this way.

so your saying that the other site was run in a bad way i cant recall that you saying anything about the old site being run in a way you didnt like,

there bits on this site that can be sorted out that i have taken notes of and i will be posting about them soon.

[Deleted account DD]

Right old can of worms the nissan 4x4 notsofreemasons have opened :augie

[willow]

:surrender:surrenderHey seems its me that started this sorry I thought it was to have a laugh:nenau without affending others that want to keep the site for more tec stuff.
Its hard to please all people :rolleyes::rolleyes::doh
Well oi you will just have to put up with our mindless banter that gets us through the day:lol:lol
I think you love us really:thumbs

[tezzer]

so your saying that the other site was run in a bad way i cant recall that you saying anything about the old site being run in a way you didnt like,

there bits on this site that can be sorted out that i have taken notes of and i will be posting about them soon.

hi ern1e, i may be a bit thick here but what do you mean by,----there bits on

this site that can be sorted out that i have taken notes of and i will be

posting about them soon. help me out please, :nenau


tezzer

[lacroupade]

so your saying that the other site was run in a bad way i cant recall that you saying anything about the old site being run in a way you didnt like,

there bits on this site that can be sorted out that i have taken notes of and i will be posting about them soon.

No offence but I think you're putting words in his mouth here...all he said was its run differently now and he happens to prefer it....doesn't mean the old way was bad. Not that it matters because someone else owns it now.......:)

[willow]

Its a shame that one idea has caused such a fuss

:nenau:(.....................



So who is going down the pub:thumbs:thumbs

[lacroupade]

Its a shame that one idea has caused such a fuss

:nenau:(.....................



So who is going down the pub:thumbs:thumbs

Can't please all of the people all of the time, to misquote Abe.

Mines a large G&T, ice and slice.....:thumbs:kissy

[willow]

You buying:lol:thumbs

[tezzer]

mines a g&t please and a packet of pork scratchings, uumm :thumbs



tezzer

[extreme-4x4]

ill give the pub a miss tonight.... ay:thumbs

[willow]

Well Im already down there:lol:lol do catch up:rolleyes:

[lacroupade]

ill give the pub a miss tonight.... ay:thumbs

stickinthemud:lol

[wildbri]

Any chance of some one taking the piss out of me? ...... It might take the pressure off my prostate!! bri

[lacroupade]

Any chance of some one taking the piss out of me? ...... It might take the pressure off my prostate!! bri

now you've made me wet myself...:rolleyes:

[willow]

Any chance of some one taking the piss out of me? ...... It might take the pressure off my prostate!! bri
:lol:lol:lol pop down the pub and we will try and help:thumbs

[Bat21]

Any chance of some one taking the piss out of me? ...... It might take the pressure off my prostate!! bri

My pleasure Bri :D

[extreme-4x4]

its worth concidering....
look at my previous profile. i dont as a rule make fun of nor am i a nasty person
its true i dont agree with people all of the time, but im usually polite about it

so with that in mind
why would i want a place to take the piss out of people

usually im guilty of posting controversial idea's that often cause heated debates..... bit like this one

for me i just wanted to discuss ideas on fueling modifying etc that i knew would cause more heated debates

yes i sometimes bend the rules and or the law, but i never go out to break the rules completely.
this i consider is no different to having the wrong type of number plate on or your bumpers too high off the ground . cos most here are guilty of these crimes ..... but i never complain when someone else does it

video's
whenever team wales does a video or pics.... they are usually viewed with a pinch of salt by most and enjoyed . then all of our threads are bombarded with complaints about you cant do this or you cant do that by a few. do i ever say f o mind your own business. or that's your way not ours. no we politely explain our case

off road, ok i dont subscribe to glass or crag so as a non member and choosing to stay out of them. when people complain i am not doing things the right way, thats your way not mine. they are your associations guidlines not mine.
then they start on video evidance etc. so why wouldnt we want our videos kept out of the complaining eye. one things for sure my truck wont be shown on here by me with my plates showing anymore and i will always encourage covering them from now on at any meet

if this is, as you all hope, "a club" there should be chance for everyone to feel comfortable here. maybe even a feeling of trust and feel they are not going to get torpedoed if the suggest stuff. ...that for me ruins a club

i always encourage fun here from everyone. and i know all of team wales do too. we welcome anyone to our meets

well thats my last bit on this.... but it was not to make fun. it was to stop people complaining about things that interest me and often others

[ssteve]

its worth concidering....
look at my previous profile. i dont as a rule make fun of nor am i a nasty person
its true i dont agree with people all of the time, but im usually polite about it

so with that in mind
why would i want a place to take the piss out of people

usually im guilty of posting controversial idea's that often cause heated debates..... bit like this one

for me i just wanted to discuss ideas on fueling modifying etc that i knew would cause more heated debates

yes i sometimes bend the rules and or the law, but i never go out to break the rules completely.
this i consider is no different to having the wrong type of number plate on or your bumpers too high off the ground . cos most here are guilty of these crimes ..... but i never complain when someone else does it

video's
whenever team wales does a video or pics.... they are usually viewed with a pinch of salt by most and enjoyed . then all of our threads are bombarded with complaints about you cant do this or you cant do that by a few. do i ever say f o mind your own business. or that's your way not ours. no we politely explain our case

off road, ok i dont subscribe to glass or crag so as a non member and choosing to stay out of them. when people complain i am not doing things the right way, thats your way not mine. they are your associations guidlines not mine.
then they start on video evidance etc. so why wouldnt we want our videos kept out of the complaining eye. one things for sure my truck wont be shown on here by me with my plates showing anymore and i will always encourage covering them from now on at any meet

if this is, as you all hope, "a club" there should be chance for everyone to feel comfortable here. maybe even a feeling of trust and feel they are not going to get torpedoed if the suggest stuff. ...that for me ruins a club

i always encourage fun here from everyone. and i know all of team wales do too. we welcome anyone to our meets

well thats my last bit on this.... but it was not to make fun. it was to stop people complaining about things that interest me and often others


yawn

ssteve

[Deleted account DD]

I know I've had my say on this and I have nothing against you personally :thumb2 but I maintain that if you've done nothing wrong it doesnt matter who views the vids or reads the joke. As pointed out elsewhere its a pay to view agree to the terms web site.

If your house in order it doesn't matter a toss what others have to say on your thread, especially with you keeping it on track as a mod perhaps ? let them view your video, let them comment, on there own thread and if you dont like it dont read it.

I'm not quite sure what you are actually scared of. Very few things are black and white and the grey areas often develop some very good points.

I'll pick you up on one thing though. No one gets torpedoed for suggesting things. They get torpedoed for stepping outside of the guidelines when theres no need for them to :)

By setting up a private area you are excluding a lot of people, myself included who are genuinely interested in them.

[Deleted account DD]

yawn

ssteve

Why,

Dont you care about how the club is ran ? or maybe you dont appreciate someone opening up (do you find it uncomfortable?)

Even as a critic of the secret squirrel area I respect Extreme for speaking up.

Of course your posting that simply backs up what he says about the attitude of some people coming on thread.

....................you dont really have to read it either do you ;)

[ssteve]

Why,

Dont you care about how the club is ran ? or maybe you dont appreciate someone opening up (do you find it uncomfortable?)

Even as a critic of the secret squirrel area I respect Extreme for speaking up.

Of course your posting that simply backs up what he says about the attitude of some people coming on thread.

....................you dont really have to read it either do you ;)

still yawning

ssteve

[Deleted account DD]

still yawning

ssteve

Point proven :thumb2

And will be again and again every time you post

[Deleted account DD]

So why bother reading...............and then replying ;)

Either a very clever conundrum , or pure hypocrisy :augie

[ssteve]

So why bother reading...............and then replying ;)

Either a very clever conundrum , or pure hypocrisy :augie

neither just pure conundrumism with a touch of clever hypocrisy

ssteve

[Deleted account DD]

neither just pure conundrumism with a touch of clever hypocrisy

ssteve


:rolleyes: :doh

Thomas Fuller said:

"A hypocrite is in himself both the archer and the mark, in all actions shooting at his own praise or profit."

Nothing particularly clever about hypocrisy, thats why I gave you the or option. Or to put it in modern terms the words "foot , in , shot" & "own" fit neatly :lol

Point proven....again :thumb2 I think at least one of extremes comments has been elevated beyond any contradiction.

Love it, lmao and time to offski, this thread is way off line for the reasons extreme has mentioned.

:bow

[Deleted account DD]

thats why I posted what I did:rolleyes::augie:augienearly every thread now is taken well off topic by pointless rubbish, chats etc
:augie:augie

The first rubbish contributor on this today after extreme brought it back on line with some valid points, to those debating it both on line and via pm at least, was ssteve the second was errrrr...................you :augie

Pointless & derogatory , at least last nights off topic was amusing ;)

Anyway even BGT is more interesting bye for now :thumb2

[extreme-4x4]

some members, do enjoy chatting here. some like to or want to meet up
not everyone is interested in just technical stuff although i guess that's what most want. me included

but rather than just having a pay to view technical site. some do actually want to make the club a place to come for fun , ideas, advise and so on
creating a club atmosphere

if this site is just 4x4's why is there a section on caravans then ?

now i don't have any interest in caravans so you wont see me posting in the caravan section much .... and if i was to post on caravans, it would not be to just drop in and make some silly comment "yawn" if your not interested dont bother with the thread if you have nothing else to do . why not go watch britains got tallent "you might learn something"

we can all act like kids but some of us prefer to have grown up conversations

[extreme-4x4]

how long someone has been a member has absolutely nothing to do with this or any thread. because you was here longer does not make you a higher grade member than someone who joined today

otherwise i could argue, i have posted more than someone else so therefore i have had more input to the club

or red trucks put you higher up the pecking order than someone with a green truck. just because red ones look better

but that would be really really childish

if you have paid you membership you have an equal right to your place in the club .

[extreme-4x4]

Extreme i've been a member alot longer than you:augieI have over the years took part in some fantastic chats regaurding all sorts of stuff:Dtake mundy last thread about his front suspension hights for an example who took it off topic:augie& as for your coment I may learn something if I watch a certain tv program I take that as quiet an insult because over the last 12 years i've had to relearn how to read & write thanks to quiet a bit of my memory being wiped when I had meningitis at 21 TBH I have prob lost more memory regaurding motor vehicles than you'll ever learn


i dont know who did take it off topic then ?
i take i you mean this thread Lifted (http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4872) ?

[Deleted account DD]

Extreme i've been a member alot longer than you

The point of that comparison and its relevance to secret squirrel areas being ?

[extreme-4x4]

Yip thats the one (of many:augie) But if you can't work out who took it off topic then I feel it's time you gave up being a Mod:rolleyes:& NO i'm not having a dig at this person it was just the first one that came to mind going off topic


but i dont moderate that section.... for that you would need to speek to terra ,toolbox or roscco

should they quit too ?

[willow]

Wow wow wow i thought we had sorted this as a silly mistake whats this all about:nenau:nenau

It Seems some members just like a good fight rather than a good joke:rolleyes:
Come on lifes too short, :rolleyes:

So who is going for a pint:thumbs

[lacroupade]

team wales groupies:rolleyes:

groupies did he say??? gratuitous sex and all that?? blimey where have I been all day!!!:eek:

[extreme-4x4]

well as most people know i am only allowed to mod the wales section,
i think the other mods might feel a bit put out.
if i start telling them how they run there sections

[willow]

well as most people know i am only allowed to mod the wales section,
i think the other mods might feel a bit put out.
if i start telling them how they run there sections

O do stop it :lol:lol

Chill :thumbs

[makeitfit]

Wow wow wow i thought we had sorted this as a silly mistake whats this all about:nenau:nenau

It Seems some members just like a good fight rather than a good joke:rolleyes:
Come on lifes too short, :rolleyes:

So who is going for a pint:thumbs

I'm having one or two of these mind altering topic changing down right cheeky prostate pushing pints :D
http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv36/daudwpsyn/24052009369.jpg
Now get a life guys :thumbs

[willow]

Well said:thumbs:thumbs
good pint good view umm nice:D

[makeitfit]

That's my beach that is:DI was in the office when I took that:lol

[extreme-4x4]

I'm having one or two of these mind altering topic changing down right cheeky prostate pushing pints :D
http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv36/daudwpsyn/24052009369.jpg
Now get a life guys :thumbs


i think i need one or ten

[willow]

That's my beach that is:DI was in the office when I took that:lol
Looks like a good place to be:thumbs lucky you:)

[extreme-4x4]

might be a good idea for a team wales meet.... camping and cans
a 2 day one

[lacroupade]

with extra groupies....:clap

[extreme-4x4]

even better

[makeitfit]

All welcome and you can come and play "drawings in the sand" with your er what you brung!:D
Camp on the beach and burn a few efigies(sorry Zippy moment)and get trolleyed:thumbs
Everything else is by invitation only:cool:

[tezzer]

That's my beach that is:DI was in the office when I took that:lol

where is your office? at the bar, lucky sod, sorry im going off topic.:lol

some work place that is mate :thumb2

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[makeitfit]

Yep get all my best ideas there:D
"The Ship Inn" Tresaith, google it:cool:

[tezzer]

Yep get all my best ideas there:D
"The Ship Inn" Tresaith, google it:cool:

just took a ride in my private chopper,(google earth) looks a cracker of a place, do you know the names of the caravan sites close by? :thumbs

[extreme-4x4]

pauls got a field:D .

[tezzer]

pauls got a field:D .

thats will do, has he got a tap?, whats the fishing like up there do you know colin?:nenau

[extreme-4x4]

a field and a river

[ssteve]

if this site is just 4x4's why is there a section on caravans then ?

erm? like a horse and cart??????

ssteve

[ern1e]

why not go watch britains got tallent "you might learn something"

this could be classed as shouting and offensive in (bold text) on some forums so why do it you can make a point by write as normal,

i think the other mods might feel a bit put out.
if i start telling them how they run there sections

and it could also be seen helping them out aswell,

[Deleted account DD]

with extra groupies....:clap

Especially with the new signature I sense a bit of excitement developing here :lol

[lacroupade]

well its been three days now and not a bloody groupie in sight :(:(:(

think I'll join another team with more sex appeal! :thumbs:lol:lol:lol

[willow]

well its been three days now and not a bloody groupie in sight :(:(:(

think I'll join another team with more sex appeal! :thumbs:lol:lol:lol

I think its the red head we are all scared of:lol:lol:lol:lol

[lacroupade]

I think its the red head we are all scared of:lol:lol:lol:lol

I'm not afraid of any redhead!!!!!! :augie

[willow]

I'm not afraid of any redhead!!!!!! :augie

o yes now who's telling porkies:lol:lol:lol

[lacroupade]

o yes now who's telling porkies:lol:lol:lol

Look here, who made Adam east the apple....bossy from the getgo and its never stopped, all downhill since then...:lol:lol:lol:lol

[Liam]

Wouldn't think the Irish rugby teams have any trouble finding groupies,given their recent form. Perhaps they will send you over a few of the less pretty ones if you ask nicely?

[lacroupade]

Wouldn't think the Irish rugby teams have any trouble finding groupies,given their recent form. Perhaps they will send you over a few of the less pretty ones if you ask nicely?

a few colleens would go down very well....oops no pun intended.:eek:




OK I lied.....:naughty

[Liam]

Still thing about the reasons for your previous trips over here?

[lacroupade]

Still thing about the reasons for your previous trips over here?

Oh I took Miss Leahy over with me! LOL

What about them Corrs....you can send them any time...keep the bloke mind you...!:clap:sly