MoD Powers MkII

[lacroupade]

Duh! MY fault, was originally trying to do a poll and wanted to post a test thread so ticked the box marked "lock immediately after posting"...its not a conspiracy, honest! :augie

HERE WE GO.....


Just a thought for consideration.

With Bat seriously pre-occupied at the moment, its difficult timing, but perhaps the members should give the Mods an idea of what they believe is reasonable intervention, preferably BEFORE another thread gets out of hand. They don't have an easy role (I wouldn't do it) but I have to agree with a couple of posters that there has been little or no moderation in evidence lately.


Thats NOT to criticise the mods in any way whatsoever, let me make that clear - Bat's philosophy has been minimal intervention to date, but its clear that occasionally things are being said that cause offence in some quarters and could even have more serious consequences for the site or individuals if somebody decided to take things further.

This is a car club when all's said and done, as well as a largely friendly community where its always good to hear peoples views on run-of-the-mill things that are not car-related. Personally I don't care how wide that makes the horizon; its all part of the fun of the site.

But I think there are a couple of things we could do:

1. If its not something you'd say out loud in the middle of a busy street in a large city without expecting to have someone poke you in the eye or worse, then its probably not a good idea to say it on here. Thats just plain common sense. THINK BEFORE YOU POST.

2. I would suggest that if a Mod receives two or more complaints about the content of a post or thread, they should seriously consider locking the thread and/or removing any relevant individual posts. Being a pay site they are perfectly at liberty to do so.

I want to make it clear these are simply my suggestions - nobody has to take a blind bit of notice. But if they are considered sensible, someone needs to take the initiative in Bat's absence and make a policy statement before his (our!) site gets screwed. It doesn't take an idiot to work out what his view will be.

Other than what I've covered, I don't personally have any issues with anything else. Sick jokes, the odd rude word (already automatically censored by the site where necessary) are what you'd expect in places like the Pub Thread (the name is a clue!), but as I said earlier, there are plenty of things you'd only say in a pub if you wanted a fight or to get ejected, so don't be surprised if you get 'flamed' for doing so in the absence of any regulation!

And lets all just chill out and be nice to one another and our fellow man, whoever that might be.

Comments anyone?

[extreme-4x4]

ok
well as i said my comment was as you know

but it was not meant any different than

not bloody likely
not bloody cricket
not bloody doing it

i still dont see the bit that someone dont understand but hey i give up trying
infact i had tried to not upset members and try to curb the language used...
not looked at the tread since , not going to either. have no interest in it....
next time someone else can sort it out,
he knows ive sorted problems out for him in the past so i was on his side.
as you know only too well paul.

fact is you cant please all the people all the time

[Liam]

Have to agree, anyone who wishes to continue with silly talk can always PM other people with similar views and rant at their leisure without upsetting anyone. Or they could just accept that a lot of people on here don't want to read this rubbish all the time.
Think we will have to change your name from Lacroupade to Captain Sensible,Paul.

[zippy656]

we seam to go through this kind of then evert few months..

paying my £10 i feel our " guests " sould be able to read some of the site. but not post untill they have payed ther £10. they then cant ask questions.

I know ive helped some red people with there troubles. in the hope theyll join up. no sure if they do. but why pay if you get the help any way.

but then i cant say PAY UP and ill tel you. got told off for doing that kind of thing..

[lacroupade]

Have to agree, anyone who wishes to continue with silly talk can always PM other people with similar views and rant at their leisure without upsetting anyone. Or they could just accept that a lot of people on here don't want to read this rubbish all the time.
Think we will have to change your name from Lacroupade to Captain Sensible,Paul.

Captain Sensible in concert. Enuff said! :eek:

[Liam]

Captain Sensible in concert. Enuff said! :eek:

He could be your twin,for God's sake!!!! Extremely close resemblance,especially on a Saturday night. No doubt Dadba and Lynda will agree.

[lacroupade]

we seam to go through this kind of then evert few months..

paying my £10 i feel our " guests " sould be able to read some of the site. but not post untill they have payed ther £10. they then cant ask questions.

I know ive helped some red people with there troubles. in the hope theyll join up. no sure if they do. but why pay if you get the help any way.

but then i cant say PAY UP and ill tel you. got told off for doing that kind of thing..

At the end of the day Zip its not our call really. Bat owns the site and we are only members who can't control what areas non-members can access, so I guess its up to individuals whether they want to help those people too much before they pay up like the rest of us. Clearly we could always say "we know the answer to this specific question is answered on the site so why not join".....

[lacroupade]

fact is you cant please all the people all the time

The joys of being a moderator! And since you're a decent bloke with no 'side' to you Colin, thats why Bat picked you I suspect....what you haven't been given is clear guidance on what is and isn't acceptable, thats all. Plus you only mod us TW eejyits!

[Tubbs]

there are only two mods that can lock any thing in the pub area while bats away

[lacroupade]

there are only two mods that can lock any thing in the pub area while bats away

Thanks Tubbs......any idea who they are as I'm just intrigued as to why they wouldn't lock an obviously inflammatory thread (or several as it happens), unless its forbidden to them to do so? Thats not to apportion any blame by the way, just to try and understand the policy of the site we are subscribing to and paying for.

Cheers, Paul

[Tubbs]

if you go on forum home page it tells you who mods which area on the right hand side in green
we can only mod certain areas what we have been appointed

[lacroupade]

Aha - got it. Tks Tubbs. :clap

[extreme-4x4]

from what i understand of bats rule. nothing deleted and no intervention unless someone is being picked on or bullies. or a personal attack (typed obviously). no one here has been bullied or attacked personally

ok i cant edit what you write in other areas, but i can still try to advise.
its up to the poster what they write. they are responsible for what they write too. we all watch all posts. very very occasionally someone picks something up. and a note is passed on to the relevant mod

dont think the mod's want to edit anyway. most wont even get involved. i realise now why.
see... the rule is let arguments or disputes sort themselves out.

[lacroupade]

Yes but Ex this isn't about internal disputes, the odd fall-out is neither here nor there. :augie The complaints have been about people making remarks or writing stuff that is at the very least inflammatory or offensive to lots of people, and at worst illegal as it could even be seen as incitement to racial hatred.

You might think I'm overstating things but there are better qualified folks on here than me who will tell you, privately or otherwise, that that is the case.

And that puts Bat firmly in the firing line as he owns the site and is responsible for its content, as well as the individual posters. If a formal complaint were made by someone then Bat would be obliged to provide personal details of anyone deemed to have offended.

If that doesn't make it sensible to lock or delete offensive posts then I don't know what does. Not to mention giving us all a rest from it.....:doh

So if Bat doesn't put some guidelines in place when he's back and well enough, I'll eat my hat.

and probably stop using the site TBH. but I promise not to flounce. :thumbs

[(RIP) PLANK]

lacroupade, I agree with your idea.

I think it would be nice to have a simple agreement about what is an is not acceptable that people agree to before joining, or posting and these guidlines being the basis for efective moderating.

it is also the case here that, despite peoples good intentions the things that were said in the 'im' not racist thread' just went from bad to worse, in a thread that had allready oversteped the bounds of both the race relations act and the race relations ammendment act (the second one being far easier to breech)

I have no 'side' other than to challenge prejudice racial and otherwise wherever it occurs, and not let things go unchallenged and get worse, this has happend in threads I have not contributed to at all!

an interesting thought:

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
Edmund Burke

would it be better if we said nothing and let this run until some one made a serious complaint? that ended in legal ation?

There is allways talk of greater and greater control of internet forums and monitoring emails, due to terroism, child buse, etc, etc. and a lot of people object (including me) as i believe we have a right to privacy and simply put i dont want to be spied on!

This underlying trend towards racist coments at the slightes provocation is the sort of thig that will bring about offical monitoring of sites!

Also, people seem to 'beleive' each person is responsible for his own posts, i question that, as the site operator, of a paid for service, is responsible for its content, and it is they who will be prosecuted when things go wrong! and that is despite any dislcaimer you might include on the site.

I am a social scientist, and the theme of equality and diversity is part of my profesional capacity, I am not making this up! It is somehting that both should be and needs to be adressed!

When Mav instigated this in the sites last 'incarnation' he earned my admiration for doing so, OK it wasn' perfect, but it was a very good start, and an example of the good practice a proffesional organisation should be striving for, in many cases statments of equality and divesity are now required by law!

so Im for a simple set of rules, backed up by informed moderating, not even locking or deleting if that not what people want but simpy pointing out the inappropriatness of stuff and asking people to stop!

I do at times over react but, to be fair i am sick of this creeping rascism aimed at 'soft targets' if you ived wit it you would be to, so excuse me for being a little defensive and even aggresive in prevous posts, i dont beleive anyone here has set out to deliberatley offend wit their comments, and we should all move on now and accept mistakes have been made :thumbs

[extreme-4x4]

well you will have to take that up with whoever you think should be moderating that thread... after all its thair job

maybe you can take your complaint to the person who has been left in charge... after all its them who will be answerable, as bat's away. its there place to make a decision

personally i aint interested. oh yes ive been having those "i need a break from this shit" too

lets face it you ask them to stop saying the r*g he*d bit and alike and they still do it.

and then you get bitten by the one you was trying to help, all because they have got there backs up and gone on some sort of p.c crusade.

we are still allowed to say crusade nowadays aren't we?


as far as im concerned its all a load of shit


no

a load of bloody shit

[(RIP) PLANK]

well you will have to take that up with whoever you think should be moderating that thread... after all its thair job

maybe you can take your complaint to the person who has been left in charge... after all its them who will be answerable, as bat's away. its there place to make a decision

personally i aint interested. oh yes ive been having those "i need a break from this shit" too

lets face it you ask them to stop saying the r*g he*d bit and alike and they still do it.

and then you get bitten by the one you was trying to help, all because they have got there backs up and gone on some sort of p.c crusade.

we are still allowed to say crusade nowadays aren't we?


as far as im concerned its all a load of shit


no

a load of bloody shit

I try to refrain from swearing in threads as its not my style, but i dont mind doing it in person its down to taste?

Did you read my last post before you read this? if not read it now, and see if you see what i'm trying to say ;) then maybe we can put this to bed?

another interesting thought from the same great thinker:

"He who wrestles with us strengthens our nerves and sharpens our skill. Our antagonist is our helper"
Edmund Burke

[lacroupade]

The simple answer is (i) delete an offending post or thread, especially if theres a complaint, and (ii) PM the poster to politely point out why the removal took place. Its exactly how most other sites that allow posting operate.

It takes a while but the message gets through eventually.

Its when people see no moderating going on that they naturally think its OK to post whatever they like......and you can't tick people off for breaking rules when they don't know what they are.

[extreme-4x4]

the mods can only act according to how they have been instructed by bat...
none of this has come up this bad for a long time if at all...

no one can do anything unless bat gets better to address the issues raised
i see your point and i recon more words could be made auto delete like some swear words. i dont expect bat expected this to come up to be fair

but the point is they can only do what they are asked to do.
as planks says he was getting upset by it all. i was too and everyone was then winding each other up...

it could have been stopped easilly if they had taken my request to pack it in

its always the same it spirals out of control fast, and what someone types might look like something else as you cant show emotions or express what you are saying in type... im always in trouble with txts to the wife etc. when they miss interpret what you are saying

its done now. i dont hold any grudges im sure plank dont either. but yes those words should be banned or auto edit

but in a pub area you cant choose what people want to talk about, you can only explain to them that the r h words are unacceptable
as is the c word or n or p .

but then im not as pc as most. pc and all this other stuff about discrimination gets right up my nose

yes there is a place for it and some very valid reasons too, but some of it is getting silly now. thats the trouble thats why people are questioning it bacause it goes too far

example
paki is concidered racist, but scot , ozzy or yank is not

to me its an abreviation much the same as me being called col

or makeitfit being called pete

also

fully veiled ladies from wherever offend me , its a fact in other parts of the world these full veils and gowns are weapons of terror. suicide bombers use them to get close to thair victims. then they wonder why im uncomfortable around them.

im sure if i wore a crucifix in thair homeland id be shot or shoved in a cell for ever
why are we so acomodating/ tollerant

[lacroupade]

why are we so acomodating/ tollerant

Because it makes us what we are....better than the rest. ;)

Re your earlier points Col, I'd favour deletion + PM....warning doesn't have much use if the words remain posted. But as you rightly say, needs Bats guidance, but I'm sure a bit of initiative wouldn't go amiss here....if I were in his position I think I'd welcome it!

[extreme-4x4]

that gives me such a warm feeling inside... knowing we are better than the rest
and what do we gain from this...

is the world praising us or mocking us

[zippy656]

i know you lot mock me..





and im not even a mod!

[lacroupade]

that gives me such a warm feeling inside... knowing we are better than the rest
and what do we gain from this...

is the world praising us or mocking us

The answer to that is simple Col - thats half the reason they want to come here. I said half before anyone starts.

What makes a lot of people come here is because we are seen as fair, reasonable and tolerant and they therefore have a chance to have a start in life or do things they could never do in their own country. I honestly don't believe for a minute that some of these people go through what they go through just for the sake of a few quid jobseekers allowance and a shitty bedsit, and if they do, well what does that say about their situation at home?.

And would you rather live in a relatively tolerant country where nobody starves and you can sleep in your bed at night, or somewhere that has little regard for human life or your welfare? :nenau

I mean you moved to a foreign country didn't you to escape oppression in your homeland!!!! :lol:lol:lol:lol

[lacroupade]

i know you lot mock me..





and im not even a mod!

no, you're a little rocker!!! :thumbs:lol

[zippy656]

well, more hippy when i was younger

[extreme-4x4]

The answer to that is simple Col - thats half the reason they want to come here. I said half before anyone starts.

What makes a lot of people come here is because we are seen as fair, reasonable and tolerant and they therefore have a chance to have a start in life or do things they could never do in their own country. I honestly don't believe for a minute that some of these people go through what they go through just for the sake of a few quid jobseekers allowance and a shitty bedsit, and if they do, well what does that say about their situation at home?.

And would you rather live in a relatively tolerant country where nobody starves and you can sleep in your bed at night, or somewhere that has little regard for human life or your welfare? :nenau

I mean you moved to a foreign country didn't you to escape oppression in your homeland!!!! :lol:lol:lol:lol
so they dont just turn up and get free social housing then ?

i guess when they turn up they dont get money to live on either.

so if thats the case why are the streets not lined with people who have arrived and not been given a thing...
we are not talking hundreds.... it is hundreds of thousands.... so where are we putting them.

you would think if they are getting nothing they would be starving in the gutter somewhere
but thats not the case as we all know... so what are they getting?
you can bet your life its more than 50 quid a week job seekers allowance.

and as often as not they tend to bring the same problems with them as they are trying to escape. i know its made worse by the press andmedia but they often want to escape oppression only to become outspoken here and stir up racial problems here.

not being a specialist in this subject i can only say how i see it. but things like
the bloke who said to jack straw i beleive. along the lines of how dare you come into our community and tell us what to do

also
why is it crimewatch has a selection of bad crimes from around the uk. yet most of the criminals are not british or dont have british names anyway

id hate to think its the bbc thats being racist by just selecting non british crimes

why is it non british people are allowed to question every part of our society complain when it does not work out very well for them and then the rules are changed to suit/ accomodate them
yet when i or someone else questions whats happening everyone thinks your racist or some nazi or something

[extreme-4x4]

oh and another thing

i go to France and its accepted i will try to speak the lingo. if not im considered ignorant

i come to wales its expected ill try to speak the lingo.


they come here and its not expected they will speak our lingo. christ they even change our schooling to accommodate them

yet again webend over backwards

[tezzer]

ok lads i think this is getting a bit long in the tooth now, i was the one who posted about r******s and im sorry that it upset so many people and i appoligise sincerly and it wont happen again. that said i think this problem with people coming to this country and getting monies for X amount of family members and homes is vastly different from county to county, they do get priority don this way, noy do they get homes some get NEW homes over our own people, anyway im sorry again. tezzer

[lacroupade]

ok lads i think this is getting a bit long in the tooth now, i was the one who posted about r******s and im sorry that it upset so many people and i appoligise sincerly and it wont happen again. that said i think this problem with people coming to this country and getting monies for X amount of family members and homes is vastly different from county to county, they do get priority don this way, noy do they get homes some get NEW homes over our own people, anyway im sorry again. tezzer

Tezzer.....THANK YOU. :clap:clap It takes a man to apologise like that and its appreciated by me certainly, and others too I'm sure.

And don't think we don't understand your frustrations mate - we do. We just have to be careful how we discuss it thats all I'd suggest, because as you'll know Tez, there are plenty of homebred scuzzbuckets that get to jump the queues (and whack the benefits system) as my crippled sister will confirm.

Thanks again. :):thumbs

[Muzz]

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[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

Nicely put Muzz, my thoughts exactly.

As far as I'm concerned the Clubs rules and constitution
continue after the changeover and I'd suggest anyone
who cant hack them take it somewhere else.

C'mon lets get back to the real subject of what we're here
for, our great trucks and the lifestyle they enable.

[(RIP) PLANK]

Muzz, good point all this is covered by the rules, so maybe we just need a recap, it is sad that most of the recent ofensive posting has been inflamed if not began by moderators.

So as has been suggested allready (cant remmber who by sorrry) a pm to a mod who can then remove or and ask for no repetitions, this would seem best.

Exxtreme, however you try to dress it up and hide it behind tabloid press opinions, the law is the law and that is it, not a PC crusade, not open for your intetpretaion, it is just there and that is that, Where would we all be if we deated everything in such detail?

I know I think the laws on robbing banks are a bit strong, I mean at the end of the day everyone has to make a living dont they, even bank robbers, they dont deserve to get locked up just for dong their job :lol see my pont :thumbs

you dont have to understand the laws, or agree with them, just do your best to stick with them, we all agree Britain is a lovely place to be and British is a lovely thing to be! and our moral stance and laws are part of what we are all about!

[(RIP) PLANK]

Nicely put Muzz, my thoughts exactly.

As far as I'm concerned the Clubs rules and constitution
continue after the changeover and I'd suggest anyone
who cant hack them take it somewhere else.

C'mon lets get back to the real subject of what we're here
for, our great trucks and the lifestyle they enable.


I missed this one! brilliant, and this applies i beleive to mods and members? :thumbs

if i offend let me know, I will apologise where neccesarry, I dont mind! we all make mistakes. So my apologies to anyone who finds my point of view offensive i have merely beeen trying to keep predjudice from our lovely club!