racists thats me now

[tezzer]

yes, i am now officaly racist and bloody pi**ed off, i have had to throw my daughter out on the street, write a letter explaining that i have thrown them out, then they phone me to comfirm again that i wrote the letter, they then phoned again and asked if i could keep them for 2 more days and they will sort out accomadation, today they had an emergency appointment, and have been sent 15 miles away in a hotel that is full of immigrants, also they dont drive so i have to take them there, now all the immigrants are housed in my area in NEW houses and FLATS, because as soon as they are offered a house/ flat they dont want, they say the interviewer is a racist, what a poxy joke, there is sixty new homes been built where my old school was, i bet no one there will speaks english.

foreigners in the housing office are offered drinks, not the bloody british people, if they complain they are told to leave, my wife has seen this first hand when she went with the daughter to make an appointment.

now is anybody going to tell me im wrong for being a racist, this is happening all over britain and it is WRONG we should look after our own first. :banghead



tezzer

[extreme-4x4]

hey . you can be racist if you like, nothing wrong with having an opinion. its your right to make what ever choice you want!


behind you all the way:)

even the bloke who runs the bnp has a right to speak and his opinion
just chose your words carefully . or you could get into trouble;)

there is no law that says you have to deal with them , you can even refuse to talk to them. ignore them if you like

they cant take your freedom of speech from you:)

[dinky]

Democracy

[Deleted Member D]

To think our lads (forces) are out amongst all these other countries trying to help them sort themselves out while our politics over here are putting them up in houses and giving them money too.
What is this country trying to prove to the rest of the world ? And why ?

[zippy]

It is not just immigrants. I was on our social housing list a few years back just after the NI ceasefire. Our housing is on a points system. I and my wife got 20 points to get a social house. This meant we would be on the housing system for about 15 years before getting a house. If however you were a drug dealer, intimidated out of their home or an ex IRA/UVF prisoner you got 200 points and were guaranteed a house of your choice straight away. It seems that the law abiders and the meek will always get shat upon from a great height at the expense of the people who demand!

Hope they get the house they want.

Regards
Lee

[Liam]

It is not just immigrants. I was on our social housing list a few years back just after the NI ceasefire. Our housing is on a points system. I and my wife got 20 points to get a social house. This meant we would be on the housing system for about 15 years before getting a house. If however you were a drug dealer, intimidated out of their home or an ex IRA/UVF prisoner you got 200 points and were guaranteed a house of your choice straight away. It seems that the law abiders and the meek will always get shat upon from a great height at the expense of the people who demand!

Hope they get the house they want.

Regards
Lee

No different down south ,Lee. The more trouble you cause the more people are there to help you. And then people wonder why people in Council/Local Authority housing are so pissed off. A few years ago councils bought up houses from developers who went bust and filled them with all sorts, really annoyed those who had paid a lot for their house and ended up beside scumbags/drug dealers. Hope you got sorted.

[(RIP) PLANK]

now is anybody going to tell me im wrong for being a racist, this is happening all over britain and it is WRONG we should look after our own first. :banghead



tezzer

Tezzer, i htink there is a world of diference between being a 'racist' and being annoyed by bad policy descisions, to be fair if I could up sticks and go to another country that would give me 10 times the income and 10times the standard of housing and living, at no cost to myself I would go too and so would most people i beleive?

I think it is an issue of 'bad political and social policy surrounding' this all over europe not just in the UK, not about "immigrants" and "our own" as in real terms England is a nation of immigrants and the descendents of immigrants and has no indigenous population whatsoever!

An example is the descision in france not to allow asylum to certain groups and keeping them moving on to the UK! so what we need is new policy initiatives, not what is essentialy victim blaming, as we blame the immigrants, and the doo gooders blame us then for our outspoken opinions and call us racist.

so racist no, annoyed at bad policy in the UK yes! :thumbs

[stefan]

i,m a nurse and i was in the outpatients department of the hospital i work in and these 2 immigrants(eastern european i think) were talking to each other and complaining it had taken a couple of months for them to get to see a consultant,which i thought was a bit rich,wonder how long it would take or how much it would cost for them to see a consultant in there own country,anyway,they waited for about an hour to see the doctor,so they were a bit miffed by the time they saw him,when they went in they in they started to kick off a bit,shouting,that sort of thing and the consultant promptly told them to bugger off,not in so many words but thats what he meant,they soon shut up,i thought it was hilarious as did a few of the other people sat there waiting patiently.
stef

[tezzer]

It is not just immigrants. I was on our social housing list a few years back just after the NI ceasefire. Our housing is on a points system. I and my wife got 20 points to get a social house. This meant we would be on the housing system for about 15 years before getting a house. If however you were a drug dealer, intimidated out of their home or an ex IRA/UVF prisoner you got 200 points and were guaranteed a house of your choice straight away. It seems that the law abiders and the meek will always get shat upon from a great height at the expense of the people who demand!

Hope they get the house they want.

Regards
Lee

well i can now report that after being sent to southend on sea to a absolute shite hole full of rag heads and drug dealers (standing outside) my son in law signed in and came back home, and with that phone a land lord he had previously had phoned and explained the problem, (a very decent lady) she dropped the rent from £800.00 a month to £700.00 so that the council will pay the rent, this was her idea, so after a quick call to council, we started to move them in today, and when or if s-i-law can find a job the rent will increase, no problem. but you all know that if we were from eastern europe or rag head country this would not happen, and if i was to mention this in a interview i would taken off housing list and escorted from building for being a racists, which i am. <a href="http://plugin.smileycentral.com/http%253A%252F%252Fwww.smileycentral.com%252F%253F partner%253DZSzeb008%255FZSfox000%2526i%253D17%252 F17%255F6%255F12%2526feat%253Dprof/page.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/17/17_6_12.gif" alt="SmileyCentral.com" border="0"><img border="0" src="http://plugin.smileycentral.com/http%253A%252F%252Fimgfarm%252Ecom%252Fimages%252F nocache%252Ftr%252Ffw%252Fsmiley%252Fsocial%252Egi f%253Fi%253D17%252F17_6_12%2526uiv%253D3.0/image.gif"></a>


tezzer

[(RIP) PLANK]

sorry lads but when a thread becomes this openly racist I think its time to shut it down as I find rascism offensive.

compare this to the Gurkha thread now runnig, and thnk how hypoctitical this is, 'rag heads'? think of the sikh soildiers who have fought and died in world wars for Britain, or does that mean nothing? or do we have two sets of standards for those we like and those we dont?

I know where you are coming from , but as I said this is a policy thing not a reason to insult a persons racial or ethnic origins, surley we can deabate a potential contentious issue without resorting to this? :confused:

[clivvy]

you dont sound racist to me. I havent read you state that all foreigners should get out due to thier colour, background or creed? You do however sound bloody p*ssed off at the system, like many millions of us around the country. Its a laugh here, for anyone that is a criminal and a foreigner. Dont get me wrong, its GOOD to help people, and our country is very very generous to the needy (with our tax money), and considering the countrys past, it should be but times have changed now since th edays of the empire and this country simply cannot sustain the situation fo rmuch longer. I cannot believe that the born and bread british do not get preferential treatment, such as your SIL. I cannot believe that some of you have to wait on a list for 15 years...FIFTEEN????? WTF? disgrace. I tell you this, I don t work bloody hard, and make myself ill through stress and worry to pay for spongers new houses and bills paid for before the good people who deserve it.yet that is what happens. i am sickend. one day this will change i am certain. The problem is government and powerful figures that are NOW in control of our country, this is why immigranst and criminals etc are treated so much better than the law abiding. Tell me, what is the point in being law abiding? We all see criminals getting away with it everyday, yet it is us that are made to pay dearly for our words, or actions, or for doing nothing at all (Ian Tomlinson walking home) and its sick,. bring this up with any polition or police man and you are told you are wrong, or arrested.

anyway, ist all bloody rubbish, all I can say is I wish the best to our people.

[extreme-4x4]

so is it not fair to suggest these people , use the race card to gain what they want

example, they often threaten councils and public service staff that they are entitled to whatever it is they expect. and if they dont get it then the person is discriminating against them. that too is racism.

i dont need to use these so called offensive words .... we all know who they are..... not bloody British thats whomaybe its our ignorance that us british get called racists. if we spent the time to learn thair language , we would most likely find out what they refer to us as.

i personally am not offended, but i can see planks point of view. as i can see tezzer's point of view and freedom of speech

[(RIP) PLANK]

there is a whole lot of diffeence between frrdom of speech and offensive terms like 'rag head' and even 'not bllody british'

check the gurkha thread again they aren't bloody british either are they? but im still glad to have them on our team and would welcome a family of them living in my street. regardless of their britishness, this is my point this has noting to do with race just politics, and us hiding behind race (yes all of us of every race and nationality) just makes us puppets of the political descisions that make these situations arrise.

and the politicians keep getting away with it i think the phrase is 'divide and conquer' and there is nothing more devisive than race!

Im stopping contributing to this now as what started as a reasonable topic for debate, which was to me 'if certain veews and opinions were racist, and i thought not, has now descended into something else!

[extreme-4x4]

please dont tell me the word "british" is racist now...?

unless it was the words not or bloody:nenau


i can see paki or piky or jew..... but british


hang on lets all get our white flags and surrender now:surrender

[(RIP) PLANK]

please dont tell me the word "british" is racist now...?

unless it was the words not or bloody:nenau


i can see paki or piky or jew..... but british


hang on lets all get our white flags and surrender now:surrender

see this is how far it sinks! this is my very last contribution to this, but in the right (or wrong) context many words can be considered racist by their disparaging conotation, or pejorative stance. British as a word is not racist but defining people by their not being british could be, but im sure your just winding me up now.

to be honest i'm pretty sick of this sort of thing now, we are all mature adults and must realise there may be 'non british' members of this club we could be offending, and his sort of thing could if it got out of hand be the end of this and clubs like it.

my adivce is to keep clear of racism as a topic and move on as we have so many interesting threads we can contribute too without treading on anyones toes!

This is a friendly club and should be regardless of your ethicity, or nationality etc.!

[extreme-4x4]

im not female... does that make me sexist
im not colored .... does that make me racist

i am British ... does that make me a racist


to state that they are not British or as i stated "not bloody British", is merely a fact , as they ...the ones in question are simply not British

i think the problem here is the fact than me, and many others have had enough of giving to people who have not contributed and often have no intention of contributing to our society.

i dont expect everyone to have the same view as me, but i have had enough of giving and getting nothing in return.

and i will be talking with my legs this time... all the way to the polling booth, to make my views very clear.

i trust you will do the same

[clivvy]

this is an old argument anyway. its been around since the 70's. its just more and more apparent now due to immigration increases. personally, i dont liek racisim. its a bit old hat. people is people. better to live together, and deal with these spongers as and when. the system needs an overhaul, thats what.

[tezzer]

sorry lads but when a thread becomes this openly racist I think its time to shut it down as I find rascism offensive.

compare this to the Gurkha thread now runnig, and thnk how hypoctitical this is, 'rag heads'? think of the sikh soildiers who have fought and died in world wars for Britain, or does that mean nothing? or do we have two sets of standards for those we like and those we dont?

I know where you are coming from , but as I said this is a policy thing not a reason to insult a persons racial or ethnic origins, surley we can deabate a potential contentious issue without resorting to this? :confused:

plank, i doubt you have had to throw any of your children out of your home officaly, so they get a home of thier own, because if you had you would'nt come out with this post, and you would chomping at the bit like me, as for gurkha's i do work with them and yes i would rather live next them than the ragheads who site death to our innocent people they are parasites all of them, how do you think the families of the victims blown up feel. bloody immegrants send them back home. and i have sent an e-mail to downing street suggesting the same, with my address and i hope i do hear from them. then i will have the chance to really pi**ed off, poxy spongers send them home.

[extreme-4x4]

can i just bring to your attention, someone has made it clear they would prefer the words like "rag head" not to be used.

so while its up to you what you discuss. i think its fair to refrain from using such words.

it is a fact of law the term "rag head" can be considered racist.

i used the term "not bloody british". but no court in the land could find that racist


i did point out earlier, you can discuss whatever you like just choose your words carefully

[(RIP) PLANK]

as i said im dont want to be getting but your argument is wrong, and yes the statment you make could be considered racist by any court in the right (or wrong) circumstances.

well I would employ her, but im not female! = sexism

i would empoly him, but im not coloured like he is = racism

and the phrase 'coloured' is in itslef seen as racist and unaceptable and has been for the last 20 + years

tezzer, im not having a go at you, i agree you have had bad experiences, but so have we all in many ways, and i can sympathise mate, but send all imigrants home, and poxy scroungers is a bit strong for this site dont you think? So who shall we sart with then? half the pro football players, the duke of edinburgh? or maybe lets go back in history and do the ob properly, the romans? the vikings? or the saxons that invaded and wiped out the indigenous population and as such form the bulk of the dna stiock all british people are now descende from? Immigration has been a constant feature of British history for as long as it has been recorded, so has emmigration, Australia, USA etc began as British colonies. The imigration and scrounger thing is an unaceptable steroptype.

I agree current social policies that seem to priorotise non uk nationals are wrong, but most are funded my central europe and without that cash a lot of the homes would stand empty or derelcit as local councils can't manage them. And that is also wrong!

What we need is a change of policy not more victim blaming! that is too easy to just sit and moan rather than do anyhting about it! I dont think voting will do any good just exchange one load of idiots for another, we need something more radical!

as we are on the subject why did you throw them out? why did you need too?

but you do need to seperate racist comments from the real issues, i.e. imigrants are scroungers what about doctors and scientists etc from the same countries? or are only unmloyed sikhs 'ragheads' and the others are OK? its the double standards that sink the argument! or on the other hand are white unemplyed people sccroungers too? or what about non uk white people? it is too complicatd for words but basically it is wrong to stereotype people on the basis of their ethnicity or nationality regardless of the circmstances.

I am not saying 1000's of people from overseas coming here for free housing and handouts is right, but it is the policy that alows them to do this that is wrong, in the same circumstances we would do the same thing! and in fact do!

I really htink this thread should now be locked and or deleted as it has nothing to add to the smooth running of this club! can non members read this? if so what must any of them think who are outside the UK or are Asian, or mixed race, or imigrants etc etc etc?


I suggest to mods that as soon as a thread takes a racist turn it should be jumped on, before it goes to far!

[Liam]

Hard to decide my origins,grandfather fought with the British in WW1,uncle was in the RAF in the 60's in Aden,brother was in Reserve Defence Forces in Ireland,Aunt in London,uncle in Hull,surname originated in Devon/Cornwall,born in Dublin now living in Laois.Feel really at home in Scotland. Now my head hurts. Positive things about ethnic diversity? I don't really know except to say I have met and had the pleasure of working with some really smashing people,from a large selection of countries and have discovered that we all seem to share one thing, suspicion,fear,hatred and sometimes even anger at other nationalities ,other than our own. I think it is called jingoism and most people in most countries suffer from it to some degree, even the really nice helpful,humourous,decent people who take the time to post here.

[(RIP) PLANK]

Hard to decide my origins,grandfather fought with the British in WW1,uncle was in the RAF in the 60's in Aden,brother was in Reserve Defence Forces in Ireland,Aunt in London,uncle in Hull,surname originated in Devon/Cornwall,born in Dublin now living in Laois.Feel really at home in Scotland. Now my head hurts. Positive things about ethnic diversity? I don't really know except to say I have met and had the pleasure of working with some really smashing people,from a large selection of countries and have discovered that we all seem to share one thing, suspicion,fear,hatred and sometimes even anger at other nationalities ,other than our own. I think it is called jingoism and most people in most countries suffer from it to some degree, even the really nice helpful,humourous,decent people who take the time to post here.

an excellent point! xenophobia! it is often used as a defence mechanism and masks the real problems, in this case a country in crisis, and people doing what they do best - taking advantage of the situation! Arguing for ending imigration is fair enough, but blame the policy makers, our succesive governments, not the imigrants! and even if yo do, racist coments are still not required.

Im not arguing with the sentiment just the appropriatenss of some of the langauge used!

[extreme-4x4]

so lets get this right.
im allowed to say not uk nationals. but i cant say not bloody british

in not female
im not black
im not gay
im not french


i am white
i am british
i am straight
i am male

whilst as you know i have often been on your side when these things come up.

and i have tried to defuse this thread for your benefit plank.

but you have to explain, how is saying "they are not bloody british" if they are not british
how on earth do you make that racist

example:
in not a banana, so how can that be offensive or discrimination . its not even anti fruit.
its just an explanation that i am not a banana

[tezzer]

plank, i doubt you have had to throw any of your children out of your home officaly, so they get a home of thier own, because if you had you would'nt come out with this post, and you would chomping at the bit like me, as for gurkha's i do work with them and yes i would rather live next them than the ragheads who site death to our innocent people they are parasites all of them, how do you think the families of the victims blown up feel. bloody immegrants send them back home. and i have sent an e-mail to downing street suggesting the same, with my address and i hope i do hear from them. then i will have the chance to really pi**ed off, poxy spongers send them home.

as i said im dont want to be getting but your argument is wrong, and yes the statment you make could be considered racist by any court in the right (or wrong) circumstances.

well I would employ her, but im not female! = sexism

i would empoly him, but im not coloured like he is = racism

and the phrase 'coloured' is in itslef seen as racist and unaceptable and has been for the last 20 + years

tezzer, im not having a go at you, i agree you have had bad experiences, but so have we all in many ways, and i can sympathise mate, but send all imigrants home, and poxy scroungers is a bit strong for this site dont you think? So who shall we sart with then? half the pro football players, the duke of edinburgh? or maybe lets go back in history and do the ob properly, the romans? the vikings? or the saxons that invaded and wiped out the indigenous population and as such form the bulk of the dna stiock all british people are now descende from? Immigration has been a constant feature of British history for as long as it has been recorded, so has emmigration, Australia, USA etc began as British colonies. The imigration and scrounger thing is an unaceptable steroptype.

I agree current social policies that seem to priorotise non uk nationals are wrong, but most are funded my central europe and without that cash a lot of the homes would stand empty or derelcit as local councils can't manage them. And that is also wrong!

What we need is a change of policy not more victim blaming! that is too easy to just sit and moan rather than do anyhting about it! I dont think voting will do any good just exchange one load of idiots for another, we need something more radical!

as we are on the subject why did you throw them out? why did you need too?

but you do need to seperate racist comments from the real issues, i.e. imigrants are scroungers what about doctors and scientists etc from the same countries? or are only unmloyed sikhs 'ragheads' and the others are OK? its the double standards that sink the argument! or on the other hand are white unemplyed people sccroungers too? or what about non uk white people? it is too complicatd for words but basically it is wrong to stereotype people on the basis of their ethnicity or nationality regardless of the circmstances.

I am not saying 1000's of people from overseas coming here for free housing and handouts is right, but it is the policy that alows them to do this that is wrong, in the same circumstances we would do the same thing! and in fact do!

I really htink this thread should now be locked and or deleted as it has nothing to add to the smooth running of this club! can non members read this? if so what must any of them think who are outside the UK or are Asian, or mixed race, or imigrants etc etc etc?


I suggest to mods that as soon as a thread takes a racist turn it should be jumped on, before it goes to far!


hi plank, quote--as we are on the subject why did you throw them out? why did you need too?


when my daughter got married they were both working and could only get private rental, really wanted to buy their own house but could not get a mortage on their earnings, anyway paid the deposit and moved in, a loverly 2 bedroom flat, only a year old, daughter had a baby, and 6 montyhs later son in law lost his job because of cut backs and so they could'nt afford to stay there, the council would only pay a certain amount of the rent and when they used their savings they had to move in with the wife and me, signed on council books for a council house and was told it will 7-9 years before they would get a house of their own. after 6 months living with us we contacted CAB and was told the only way forward was to throw them out, i did ask around and found out this is a common practise, that has to be wrong, anyway while sil and daughter were in the council office a black family came in, went straight in because there was an interperter waiting to help with filling forms and they were given drinks, and that has to be wrong, so im sorry if you took offence about my posting but i have had agut full of the stupid system in this country. so thats why i had to throw them out, and i felt a right bastard for doing it mate.
but it worked and they have a 3 bedroom house privately rented, and the land lord is a diamond she dropped the rent so the council will pay the rent. AMEN

tezzer

[Deleted account DD]

Tezzer, I have absolute sympathy with the housing problem, but !!!!

Due to the area I work and live, my missus too, we have come into contact with quite a range of different ethnic backgrounds and cultures as well as our own.

I can say with absolute conviction and first hand experience that amongst every group there is the same spectrum of personalities ethics and morals from the downright obnoxious criminal through to the person who'd give you their own waterproofs in a rain storm.

Not having a go at anyone at all but some of the terms that have been used on here are downright offensive, particularly as Plank says, the root of the problems are policy decisions which down the line get even more distorted, changing perceptions and expectations.

Last thought, we all sit here banging away on the keyboard, apart from those you've met or seen pics of how do you know the ethnic background of the members on here? I've met one off here but other than that no one else has seen me.

Most will possibly have a mental image of me as white English, but as I havent said how do you know I'm not an African Moslem with Brit nationality deeply offended by coments posted in a public forum. I could be considering actions ranging from binning membership of a racist motor club through to being about to contact the local police this afternoon , to ask them to have a look at the comments on here which I perceive as racist making me a victim.

Dont worry, I'm not, I'm more likely to tell you what to go do ;) :lol but it does happen :thumb2

[extreme-4x4]

well i can say without question, my comments were simply to defuse the situation that was close to boiling point, and i tried to encourage members to use non or less offensive words.
but this was obviously mis interpreted by plank

as a parent of someone who is not white nor are they African Indian or whatever, his farther had Indian roots , but a long way back
this has always had a dilemma for him .
filling in forms etc. hospital and so on friends at school

this question has often come up in our household. how does he describe himself, what is his identity
after all he is British, but he's not white. he is not black or yellow.
he is not Indian, African or Chinese

we have spent many hours days weeks discussing this with him. living and being part of a very white family, doing all the things families do shopping days out and so on. yes people stare some even ask
so we know. we have been there.
often made worse by the fact his older sister is white, and younger sister's are too

and the answer he came up with was
he is SAM
he is British
he has colored skin

and he is our son

that's what he chose that's what he is happy with

[mav]

Don’t forget Bats policy is not to delete posts, lock yes by all means but not delete.

I know for a fact from my old members list (real names) that there are offended members in this club right now who are biting there tongues.

Mav.

[Deleted account DD]

I know for a fact from my old members list (real names) that there are offended members in this club right now who are biting there tongues.

Mav.

Thank you Mav, when I posted the above I did wonder if I was fairly well alone in my thoughts or if people were keeping quiet.

People must understand that just because theyre not offended doesnt mean that its ok to use certain terminology or other expression.

The bottom line is that if anyone perceives anything racist has ocured, they can report it as an offence.

Quite rightly too.

[ern1e]

there was something on telly and in the paper about a chap ( from what county that i cant remember ) that owned a post office and he said he wouldnt serve anyone that spoke in a diff language while in the there and he was told he was being racist so at the end of the day its just not us that get called racist,

this sort of thing happens all over the world so we are not alone and just remember that and im not having a dig at anyone that has posted on this topic as we all have diff opinons on this so put up or shut up and thats my moaning done

[ssteve]

yes, i am now officaly racist and bloody pi**ed off, i have had to throw my daughter out on the street, write a letter explaining that i have thrown them out, then they phone me to comfirm again that i wrote the letter, they then phoned again and asked if i could keep them for 2 more days and they will sort out accomadation, today they had an emergency appointment, and have been sent 15 miles away in a hotel that is full of immigrants, also they dont drive so i have to take them there, now all the immigrants are housed in my area in NEW houses and FLATS, because as soon as they are offered a house/ flat they dont want, they say the interviewer is a racist, what a poxy joke, there is sixty new homes been built where my old school was, i bet no one there will speaks english.

foreigners in the housing office are offered drinks, not the bloody british people, if they complain they are told to leave, my wife has seen this first hand when she went with the daughter to make an appointment.

now is anybody going to tell me im wrong for being a racist, this is happening all over britain and it is WRONG we should look after our own first. :banghead



tezzer



got my vote

ssteve

[(RIP) PLANK]

so lets get this right.
im allowed to say not uk nationals. but i cant say not bloody british

in not female
im not black
im not gay
im not french


i am white
i am british
i am straight
i am male

whilst as you know i have often been on your side when these things come up.

and i have tried to defuse this thread for your benefit plank.

but you have to explain, how is saying "they are not bloody british" if they are not british
how on earth do you make that racist

example:
in not a banana, so how can that be offensive or discrimination . its not even anti fruit.
its just an explanation that i am not a banana


This is just silly, you see my point surley, its not the word you use its the sentence it is in and the way it is used that matters and i could turn all of the above round to be offensive and so im sure could you, you are missenterpriting and missing the point not me! and how is it helping? how is it defusing? answer its not mate sorry, so lets bury this now and move on :thumbs

[(RIP) PLANK]

hi plank, quote--as we are on the subject why did you throw them out? why did you need too?


when my daughter got married they were both working and could only get private rental, really wanted to buy their own house but could not get a mortage on their earnings, anyway paid the deposit and moved in, a loverly 2 bedroom flat, only a year old, daughter had a baby, and 6 montyhs later son in law lost his job because of cut backs and so they could'nt afford to stay there, the council would only pay a certain amount of the rent and when they used their savings they had to move in with the wife and me, signed on council books for a council house and was told it will 7-9 years before they would get a house of their own. after 6 months living with us we contacted CAB and was told the only way forward was to throw them out, i did ask around and found out this is a common practise, that has to be wrong, anyway while sil and daughter were in the council office a black family came in, went straight in because there was an interperter waiting to help with filling forms and they were given drinks, and that has to be wrong, so im sorry if you took offence about my posting but i have had agut full of the stupid system in this country. so thats why i had to throw them out, and i felt a right bastard for doing it mate.
but it worked and they have a 3 bedroom house privately rented, and the land lord is a diamond she dropped the rent so the council will pay the rent. AMEN

tezzer

Tezzer, im glad its worked out for you and yours, i was not offended by your post, in fact if you read the firt reply i make i suggested your opinion was valid and you were in fact not racist for expressing it! Its where it all went that was wrong! You have every right to be anoyed by an inadequate and unfair system! I just dont think there is any need for the thread to degenerate into some thing altogether different!

As daved said under the race ralatons amendment act a racist incident is defined by the perceptions of the recepient, in other words if some one complains then it is racism! it seem a bit over the top and in practice often is, for exaple people crying racism at the staff in offices when they dont get their own way. But, that is down to a badly worded law, and people doing what people do and taking advantage of it (whatever their origins!), just like the housing policies and benefits system. The way this was going where would it have ended up if i hadn't expressed my opinion? it was going down hill fast!!

[zippy656]

just like to put my 2p in here...

they can all be friends, so lets have fun.. SIT BACK. drink in hand and work out where we can have some mud plugging fun green laneing

[paulp]

the only "immigrants" i would be proud to be behind is the Ghurkas.

Lets give these guys and thre families what they deserve

[Deleted account DD]

jdrink in hand

Not allowed, no weekday drinking , only Friday and Saturdays :(

[(RIP) PLANK]

the only "immigrants" i would be proud to be behind is the Ghurkas.

Lets give these guys and thre families what they deserve


why them in particular? this is an odd subject from us the 'British' a nation of immigrants and their descendants who have had more allies and enemies and more invsions than perhaps any other country on earth! or is it as they are the ones most recently in the news? though to be honest i do agree with their claim.

My point wasnt about supporting or not supporting immigration or policy's allowing or dissalowing it but rather about challenging racist statments that have no place here. Most people once they realise they have offended apologise and move on as it is usual done unintetionaly and that is that.

But it is important to challenge racist statments otherwise these things just sink deeper and deeper and before you know it, arguments begin, people leave, and worse.

And as for policy descision by the government allowing this, how many of the people complaining voted for them? and have done for the last few elections!

It is time to leave this and move on now i think, perhaps we can tempt daved to break his weekday vow of abstenance and have a tipple as it is sunday night! :thumbs

[extreme-4x4]

the point is plank, yes it is down to government policy,
and where else in the world can you just turn up with nothing and expect to have everything else ( the luxuries if you like)that the rest of us have paid in for
ie free health service, freedom of speech, free government help when your in trouble.

this is something we have all paid in for (taxes) to create our safe society. and for centuries our countrymen fought in wars and gave their lives for us to enjoy our freedom .

so with this in mind i think its utterly disgusting that, i am not allowed to declare myself as british and those that are not not british
this is our country. and i for one will not surrender my rights

if our country was enduring the blitz today our country would be lost. because you would all be out there waving your white flags and surrendering.

our country is an island so therefor it is impossible to claim asilum here, because you would have to cross another countries border to get here. you can only claim asilum in your nearest safe country . thats a fact

now i dont object to our country taking our share of the people from around the world who need asilum. that would be a nice good thing to do.
however we are not playing on a level playing feild nor are we taking our share of asilum seekers. in fact we are taking the most
also if you are claiming asilum, you dont have a choice where you go . you go dirctly to your first safe country.

i dont object to people coming here immigration... thats fine if you can prove you can support yourself and your family... i cant just up sticks and go to australia the usa or even germany and when i turn up expect everything for free.

i expect to be homeless soon , due to the poor state of the construction industry and the massive influx of foreign nationals working here for next to nothing, they can afford to work for these stupid rates because they all share some house and dont have families here to support or they cheet the system.
so when i do become homeless. how many of you nice kind politicly correct people are going to open thair doors to me. when i turn up with my family
i will expect a roof over my head, heating and hot water. plenty of food on the table. oh and some pocket money will be handy too

i trust all of you people who dont mind giving my taxes to whoever wants it from weherever they are from. will kindly pm me your address or post it here. so i can expect my free ride............... or will you be discriminating against me.

[Liam]

Perhaps the Jersey model would be simpler? No dole whatsoever and medical benefits only kick in after 6 months, no local authority housing until you have been there for three years. So basically you need to have work before arriving or have a pile of money to tide you over for a few years. And don't you have to be there a minimum term of years before you can buy a property? My thinking about UK policy is that the Government felt an obligation to take care of the needs of the people living in the Empire and providing them with an opportunity to live and work in the UK if they wished to do so. However, they clearly didn't give the long term consequences a lot of thought and now are lumbered with a problem which is unsolvable without taking drastic measures, which EU law would prohibit as it would be against EU free movement policy. The term "as ye sow,so shall ye reap" comes to mind. If there was no British Empire, a lot of what is going on would not be an issue. It's kind of like the British Empire in reverse, foreign nationals realise they can profit by going to another country and milking it as much as they can and either settle there permanently and continue making more than they could in their own country or bugger off home after a time with bags of loot.

[rickydicky]

I don't think I am racist, but I do think I could be perceived as being racist and perception is the devils right hand man. I believe THIS government has made innocent non-racists question their beliefs. For instance, why do I have to pay for signs in surgeries , hospitals and post offices in a dozen different languages ? Why do I have to pay for the £100 million the government spend on translators for immigrants ? Why is there a perception that immigrants get to the top of the list for housing ? Why when I have to fill out a form there is no box for english/Scottish/NI/Welsh white male/female ? Why when an immigrant comes to this country he/she can go straight on the dole queue ? Why is English a minority language in our schools ? When I can afford to go on holiday abroad, I take money, a translation book, medical insurance and make sure I have a place to stay.

I don't blame anyone for wanting to come to his (sorry that should be this) country, I just blame THIS government for the lack of control. And finally, why when this country managed to defend it's borders through two world wars, there are an estimated 750,000 illegal immigrants in this country ?

[Liam]

Don't think it was the current Government that prevents English people having English as their nationality on their passports. Scottish can have Scottish,Welsh can have Welsh not sure about Northern Ireland,I know they can choose Irish or British, perhaps NI zippy can answer? Everyone else in the UK is British,correct?

[Deleted account DD]

Extreme, I have absolute sympathy with your plight and that is genuine.

<o></o><o></o>However lets put it in context where this thread has gone astray.
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<o></o>I am English, I always tick the box that says other because theres rarely an English option. I That isn’t remotely racist, its my identity, its not derogatory and not offensive in the context used. The only reason I put English is because “proud to be a north easterner” wouldn’t usually fit in the box.<o></o>

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<o></o>The bit where what could be perceived as open racism on this thread was shown here:<o></o>
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well full of rag heads
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but you all know that if we were from eastern europe or rag head country this would not happen, and if i was to mention this in a interview i would taken off housing list and escorted from building for being a racists, which i am



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Lets keep it in straight. Nothing wrong with balanced evidenced evidenced debate about say housing policies.

Thats nothing at all to do with welfare , policies or political correctness. Just not being racist .





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[extreme-4x4]

and none of them said by me. i wouldnt use those words and i am alarmed by the use of those words.
lets not forget my son is 20 and has an indian aisian look/ colour.
yes i worry about him with the current general feeling not just here but throughout the uk.
i worry somone will start on him for racist reasons ... even more now

but like i said we are british and proud to be. whats wrong with that.

im english too. but you aint allowed to fly your own flag there

[(RIP) PLANK]

the point is plank, yes it is down to government policy,
and where else in the world can you just turn up with nothing and expect to have everything else ( the luxuries if you like)that the rest of us have paid in for
ie free health service, freedom of speech, free government help when your in trouble.

this is something we have all paid in for (taxes) to create our safe society. and for centuries our countrymen fought in wars and gave their lives for us to enjoy our freedom .

so with this in mind i think its utterly disgusting that, i am not allowed to declare myself as british and those that are not not british
this is our country. and i for one will not surrender my rights

if our country was enduring the blitz today our country would be lost. because you would all be out there waving your white flags and surrendering.

our country is an island so therefor it is impossible to claim asilum here, because you would have to cross another countries border to get here. you can only claim asilum in your nearest safe country . thats a fact

now i dont object to our country taking our share of the people from around the world who need asilum. that would be a nice good thing to do.
however we are not playing on a level playing feild nor are we taking our share of asilum seekers. in fact we are taking the most
also if you are claiming asilum, you dont have a choice where you go . you go dirctly to your first safe country.

i dont object to people coming here immigration... thats fine if you can prove you can support yourself and your family... i cant just up sticks and go to australia the usa or even germany and when i turn up expect everything for free.

i expect to be homeless soon , due to the poor state of the construction industry and the massive influx of foreign nationals working here for next to nothing, they can afford to work for these stupid rates because they all share some house and dont have families here to support or they cheet the system.
so when i do become homeless. how many of you nice kind politicly correct people are going to open thair doors to me. when i turn up with my family
i will expect a roof over my head, heating and hot water. plenty of food on the table. oh and some pocket money will be handy too

i trust all of you people who dont mind giving my taxes to whoever wants it from weherever they are from. will kindly pm me your address or post it here. so i can expect my free ride............... or will you be discriminating against me.


extreme, no one has said you can't declare yourself British, this is just getting bloody silly now, you really are just doing this to wind me up, aren't you? surely no one is this obtuse without realising it?

I am English, I am happy and proud to be English and accept that England is part of Britain our wonderfull nation!

I am not defending assylum policies, or immigration policies, or anyhting, I am just objecting to racist terms including 'rag head' and pajorative ethno-slurs statments like 'they are not bloody british'

Your just missing the point, and/or arguing for the sake of it!

Im leaving this now, I have fullfilled my moral and profesional obligation to challenge racist statments and behaviour, and tried to explain the error of this thread in those legal and moral terms. I have done my bit i'm not getting into it any further!

[lacroupade]

If there was no British Empire, a lot of what is going on would not be an issue. It's kind of like the British Empire in reverse, foreign nationals realise they can profit by going to another country and milking it as much as they can and either settle there permanently and continue making more than they could in their own country or bugger off home after a time with bags of loot.

Hit the nail on the head....whether we like it or not we live on an island that once had the worlds biggest empire bar none, and spent several hundred years pillaging half the countries on the planet and living it large.....that kind of puts these people on the moral high ground.

So the fact they see fit (and in many cases have the right) to come here is one thing. The way the government handles them when they get here is another, and you have a vote to deal with that as you wish. Even if, for example, a few BNP MPs were to be elected, it would send a message to the government to change its ways or carry on at its peril.

You can't generalise as there are plenty of recent immigrants here doing jobs that Brits wouldn't touch with a bargepole, although of course there are lots of other dependants and black-market workers not contributing, but its not their fault a lot of the time.

My mother was born in Karachi (pre-partition, so when it was in India). Despite that I'm not offended because people are entitled to their opinions. But a site like this isn't the place to be giving them in the terms that have been used. I thought I joined a bloody car club????

[Deleted account DD]

Lacroupe, your Karachi connection reminds me of a tremendous Gentleman I had the pleasure in fact honour of meeting.

He moved to England many years ago from India and made a success of his life.

He was a victim of a burglary and when I was getting details from him, even all that time ago, self declared ethnic background was required on the paperwork.

He very proudly gave his as British Indian :thumb2 I'd neve heard that description before that and was most happy to put it on the form for him.

It was his birth along with chosen allegiance and culture.

[lacroupade]

Lacroupe, your Karachi connection reminds me of a tremendous Gentleman I had the pleasure in fact honour of meeting.

He moved to England many years ago from India and made a success of his life.

He was a victim of a burglary and when I was getting details from him, even all that time ago, self declared ethnic background was required on the paperwork.

He very proudly gave his as British Indian :thumb2 I'd neve heard that description before that and was most happy to put it on the form for him.

It was his birth along with chosen allegiance and culture.

I forgot to mention, her name was Myfanwy.......:D

Her mother was a geordie from Wallsend, working in her parents 'immigrant' teashop in Karachi and her father was as welsh as rarebit, serving with the occupying british army.....hmmmm. a bit of irony there methinks...

[Deleted account DD]

Excellent , our family is from not too far from Wallsend and theyve moved all over the place (I think I've stayed closest) but not Karachi, is there something about Wallsend?? :D :nenau

[zippy]

I think that people are getting a little mixed up between immigrants and asylum seekers. Very different people!!

Immigrants (from non-eu countries) do not get dole. They do not get maternity pay,SSS, child benefit or tax credits. They do get NHS treatment free, though any i know have went back to their own countries when faced with serious treatment. They do pay their taxes the same as every other worker. If they apply for british citizenship then they now need three repeat applications of work Visa, that means they must be working for 6 years before they can claim the benefits that we take for granted. I have never known any immigrant to sponge off the state (though i have only worked with professionals).

Asylum seekers may be genuine or bogus. They inherently bring more problems with them due to the nature of the problems of their own countries. For some reason Britain allows asylum seekers to enter (perceiveably) unchecked. They will get benefits and social housing, over and above other western countries, which is why they bypass france etc to come here. Whether we like this or not, it is not their choice - this has all been decided by our government. Their policy has created this problem.

I have no problems with immigrants whatsoever. I am wary of asylum seekers - why do they need to flee their country??? murderer, rapist etc fleeing inhumanitarian wrath???

If they work, pay their taxes and abide the law of this land then they should be treated the same as anyone else - no better - no worse.

Regards
Lee

[lacroupade]

Excellent , our family is from not too far from Wallsend and theyve moved all over the place (I think I've stayed closest) but not Karachi, is there something about Wallsend?? :D :nenau

No idea but my mum always said I shouldn't bother to go back as the family up there was distinctly dodgy....don't know how so I might have a little peek sometime!

But one place I always wanted to go is Bamburgh Castle...just like the location (or maybe too many repeats of El Cid???):lol:lol

[Deleted account DD]

No idea but my mum always said I shouldn't bother to go back as the family up there was distinctly dodgy....don't know how so I might have a little peek sometime!

But one place I always wanted to go is Bamburgh Castle...just like the location (or maybe too many repeats of El Cid???):lol:lol

It is lovely, been up there quite a bit. Isnt it Bamburgh that was used for Harry Potter? I really dont know :nenau

Theres Alnwick, Tynemouth too all worth a visit :thumb2

[lacroupade]

It is lovely, been up there quite a bit. Isnt it Bamburgh that was used for Harry Potter? I really dont know :nenau

Theres Alnwick, Tynemouth too all worth a visit :thumb2

I feel a road trip coming on!

[Deleted account DD]

I'll do you a cuppa if you travel up A19 way, if we're up there with the van again it'll be a barbie :thumb2

[lacroupade]

I'll do you a cuppa if you travel up A19 way, if we're up there with the van again it'll be a barbie :thumb2

same goes, if you fancy diverting into Wales on your SW trip you're welcome to spend a night or two here by the River Towy
- dig your own latrine but its free! LOL