Area 35

[extreme-4x4]

http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo217/extreme-4x4/P4130645.jpg

and they work almost..... steering good articulation is crap
hitting the tops of tubs...

my plan is to put 2" spacers on the front dampers and those rubber coil limiters on the back... i hope this will stop em hitting if i limit them

[Darwin]

cant see from teh pic , how far to the tyres stick out ?

[extreme-4x4]

http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo217/extreme-4x4/P4130643.jpg
bout 1.5 inches

[nejones]

Extreme excuse my ignorance but what size are they?

What offset on the wheels?

Looks great by the way:thumb2

[extreme-4x4]

sorry ... i forgot to say

35 / 12.5 / 16.5

16.5 x 10 inch alloys

i was too excited to measure the offset will tomorrow

[Deleted Member S]

Very nice looking wheels:D Whats the gearing like with 35's:rolleyes:

[lacroupade]

"I was so excited I forgot to measure them!"

You bloody big baby Colin! LMAO!!! :clap:clap:clap

lookin horny tho!

[extreme-4x4]

to be honest its not that bad... ok you got to change gear quicker... but i dont race about anyway

[lacroupade]

to be honest its not that bad... ok you got to change gear quicker... but i dont race about anyway

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

[extreme-4x4]

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

no honest guv.... i dont.:wasntme

[makeitfit]

:surrender
OK you win :cool:
I'm almost unable to typo on me laptop due to the wobble:sly Bit of a high spot:augie
You need to do the body lift now to get some room for articulation:thumbs
MORE IMPORTANT what's the gearing like?

[lacroupade]

COLIN - LSD oil link....
http://www.g37.co.uk/comma-80w90-lsd--gear-oil-105-p.asp

[Toolbox]

That dent on the wing needs sorting :lol

[Toolbox]

Oh and nice wheels:thumb2

[extreme-4x4]

the gearing is about as noticable jump again as you get going standard to 31"
its really not that bad

i really dont want to body lift i dont see the point and i like the height as is and center of gravity etc.... (as makeitfit knows all about)

im going to play with the shocks first ad see where that leads

got loads of metal off the truck though and really you need several thin grinder blades and go slow there is loads of wires in there . i only just missed them by chance

so they will fit but be prepared to hack your truck up lots

[lacroupade]

and when he drove me down Saturday night to that cannibal hillbilly farmstead (thats another story!) on his 31s, it was the first time I've EVER been in a T2 that had a 100% accurate speedo - we checked it against the GPS - so that tells you something about what 31s do for gearing ....10% speedo error reduced to zero! :eek:

[extreme-4x4]

question is
will i go faster
will i get more mpg


here is the shock..... i read on some law site you can increase your tyre size by 2% legally

[makeitfit]

You will go faster, eventualy:sly
MPG probably go down cause you'll be in lower gears longer, but not much if you've got the right revs.:thumbs
Who cares it looks the mutz nutz.:D
and to think of the fuss when I asked about 33s:lol:lol:lol
"Team Wales" mmmm

[Deleted Member S]

i really dont want to body lift i dont see the point and i like the height as is and center of gravity etc

You have just uped the centre of gravity by putting on lift springs & now a set of 35" tyres:augiea body lift won't make much difference as most of the vechicles weight is in the chassis, engine & drive train

[lacroupade]

he's got you there Col! :D

[extreme-4x4]

You have just uped the centre of gravity by butting on lift springs & now a set of 35" tyres:augiea body lift won't make much difference as most of the vechicles weight is in the chassis, engine & drive train


yes but is roughly 6 inches wider now too... so effectively i have lowered the centre of gravity

the wheels only give 3.5 inches at the dif from standard + 2 inch spring lift
so its only 5.5 inches higher

[Deleted Member S]

Yes so you could get away with a 1-2" body lift no probs & save some of your metal work & body strength:augieA friend (he did the body lift in the D/L) is running 33's, 3" suspension lift & 4"body lift on his without any probs & i've seen the pic's of the hills he has took it up:eek::eek::eek:

[lacroupade]

Yes so you could get away with a 1-2" body lift no probs & save some of your metal work & body strength:augieA friend (he did the body lift in the D/L) is running 33's, 3" suspension lift & 4"body lift on his without any probs & i've seen the pic's of the hills he has took it up:eek::eek::eek:

but let me just get this straight for once, do you or don't you have to mod the bumper brackets for a body lift? and anything else?

[Deleted Member S]

IIRC the bumper mounts have to be modded or new ones fabbed up & so does the top rad mounts. alot less work than cutting the body of your motor to bit & rewelding it al back together

[extreme-4x4]

yep..... and its loads of headache, for me anyway. and dont think it will work

also if i articulate too much the wheels will just hit other bits... thats why im limiting the upward movement on them
still let em go down but reduce the up

[Deleted Member S]

Reducing the upward movement I think would hinder the trucks off road performance. TBH the R20 has'nt got the best flex in the world at the front end to start with:rolleyes:

[lacroupade]

Reducing the upward movement I think would hinder the trucks off road performance. TBH the R20 has'nt got the best flex in the world at the front end to start with:rolleyes:

makes sense; its like putting your ARBs back on really....

[Deleted Member S]

makes sense; its like putting your ARBs back on really....

THANK YOU for seeing where i'm coming from:augienI don't think it cost effective & may also cause probs with the handling on/off road:rolleyes:

[makeitfit]

It was only a few weeks ago I noticed lacroupade cocking a wheel over a small hump in the hedge! So limiting the up travel will also limit the down surely!:augie Back axle anyway.
Front you def. need those big boys on the ground or the diff will spin the loose wheel!:o
Go on lift it, get some articimulation:naughty

[lacroupade]

It was only a few weeks ago I noticed lacroupade cocking a wheel over a small hump in the hedge! So limiting the up travel will also limit the down surely!:augie Back axle anyway.
Front you def. need those big boys on the ground or the diff will spin the loose wheel!:o
Go on lift it, get some articimulation:naughty

he's right, had to brake downhill for some upcoming Landies and even though the ABS kicked in it took ages to stop...only just made it...couldn't understand why til Pete said one of my butt cheeks was off the deck, so only three-wheeled braking in effect!

[extreme-4x4]

well the front extensions i already have just got to fit them. so they wont cost.

also if i use some towing aids, the rubber you fit in the coil springs this will harden the springs and give less upward travel of the wheel.
so it shouldn't reduce the opposite down movement . it will just go down sooner
the arb reduces both up and down.

but most important it will give less body roll and cost 25 quid to set it all up. and i can do it in a couple of hours.

unlike a body lift that will cost more and loads of hastle

anyway bluebull is the only one using 33's so far and all the body lifts etc and his new kit will cost over a grand in parts + plus getting someone to fit it. he's had to do that cos his existing 3" spring lift with 4" body lift dont work

i think its worth 25 quid to try this way

if we didn't try new things what fun would it be.

i wouldn't have extreme air or 35's on the truck

[nejones]

Its true, we need someone to try out these mods and see how well they work or dont work.
The end result may not suit everyones needs but thats not the point is it.
Colins 'pioneering' these mods on Mavs and T2's can only be a good thing for the rest of us that want to modify or have modified our trucks.:thumbs

[extreme-4x4]

well if it does work. it will certainly help prevent bottoming out in the ruts
a big tall truck is not the look a want and id prefer stiffer suspension

[lacroupade]

viagra springs?

[Deleted Member S]

anyway bluebull is the only one using 33's so far and all the body lifts etc and his new kit will cost over a grand in parts + plus getting someone to fit it. he's had to do that cos his existing 3" spring lift with 4" body lift dont work

Bluebull has now got a 4" suspension lift & 3" body lift:thumb2 my friend has a 3" suspension lift & 4" body lift running 33's & his bro has a 4" body lift & is also running 33's no probs:augie

[nejones]

Are these your mates Sweety
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.sterry.me.uk/gfx/albums/car_mod/normal_kyles_car_mod0002.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.sterry.me.uk/blog/2007/09/10/modifying-my-4x4/&h=300&w=400&sz=16&hl=en&start=228&sig2=wr5wS0q6XxSo8U_vhgAdSQ&tbnid=3w3H4E9WPhdorM:&tbnh=93&tbnw=124&ei=tQp5SM6iJIKiwgHPjtVQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnissan%2Bterrano%26start%3D216%26ndsp %3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

[zippy656]

Are these your mates Sweety
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.sterry.me.uk/gfx/albums/car_mod/normal_kyles_car_mod0002.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.sterry.me.uk/blog/2007/09/10/modifying-my-4x4/&h=300&w=400&sz=16&hl=en&start=228&sig2=wr5wS0q6XxSo8U_vhgAdSQ&tbnid=3w3H4E9WPhdorM:&tbnh=93&tbnw=124&ei=tQp5SM6iJIKiwgHPjtVQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnissan%2Bterrano%26start%3D216%26ndsp %3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN


i got this guys email some place if any one would like to talk to him...

[extreme-4x4]

ok well been looking at the articulation today and im close , so im sure my way will work ...
extensions will sort the front as im hitting everything with an inch of damper left so 2 inch extensions will stop em hitting anything.

also good news i collect my new spring assisters in the morning 15.00 a pair
they fit from 26-39mm as my coil gaps are 30mm(at full articulation) they will limit the upward movement by 30mm a pair , but not downward... if needed i can go 1 pair top and 1 pair bottom if needed but i try just 1 to start.

the other trucks are nice but i want a more standard look. that was one reason for extreme air , it don't attract attention .
after all i dont see the point in getting pulled over for silly things

and as im often reminded about modded trucks and someone killing there family in a landy . the spring assisters are not really considered a mod as its a tool for towing

i also recon ill get less roll and a harder ride this way

but who knows i might be proved wrong . but then im only 15 quid down ay

[nejones]

How are th front spacers gonna fit/work?

[Terranosaurus]

Please tell me you're not using your shock absorbers as bump stops, because thats what it sounds like. Topping out your shocks is not a good idea and thats what fitting extenders will have you doing. The standard shock length at the front is the right length to allow full suspension travel without topping or bottoming out even without bump stops.

If you want to limit the travel fit larger bump stops, coil spring spacers will not limit articulation they will just stiffen up your suspension, but ultimately the compression will still be there in the rest of the spring.

IMHO what you are doing is perhaps going to produce a better handling road car but it will be crap off road, wagging wheels all over the place - no good having great big grippy tyres if they're not on the ground.

[Deleted Member S]

Are these your mates Sweety
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.sterry.me.uk/gfx/albums/car_mod/normal_kyles_car_mod0002.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.sterry.me.uk/blog/2007/09/10/modifying-my-4x4/&h=300&w=400&sz=16&hl=en&start=228&sig2=wr5wS0q6XxSo8U_vhgAdSQ&tbnid=3w3H4E9WPhdorM:&tbnh=93&tbnw=124&ei=tQp5SM6iJIKiwgHPjtVQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnissan%2Bterrano%26start%3D216%26ndsp %3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

Yes out with them in a couple of weeks in North Northumberland:augie

[zippy656]

Yes out with them in a couple of weeks in North Northumberland:augie

tiz a small world...









but id hate to paint it

[extreme-4x4]

Please tell me you're not using your shock absorbers as bump stops, because thats what it sounds like. Topping out your shocks is not a good idea and thats what fitting extenders will have you doing. The standard shock length at the front is the right length to allow full suspension travel without topping or bottoming out even without bump stops.

If you want to limit the travel fit larger bump stops, coil spring spacers will not limit articulation they will just stiffen up your suspension, but ultimately the compression will still be there in the rest of the spring.

IMHO what you are doing is perhaps going to produce a better handling road car but it will be crap off road, wagging wheels all over the place - no good having great big grippy tyres if they're not on the ground.


good point... the extensions are the 2" extensions that came with my Monroe gas shocks they just screw onto the top of the damper. not fitted as they were the same length as standard shocks , so im just fitting them as they can go either way with or without
"in my case with". but i will look at the bump stops i dont have any fitted now so it will help having some im sure
as for the coils.the towing place down the road advise me the the assisters kill any movement up in that 30mm that they are fitted to. and thats what im looking for

[Terranosaurus]

as for the coils.the towing place down the road advise me the the assisters kill any movement up in that 30mm that they are fitted to. and thats what im looking for

They will but the rest of the spring will still compress - sure they'll be a bit stiffer but they will still move.

Towing place - 4x4 experts??????

[extreme-4x4]

They will but the rest of the spring will still compress - sure they'll be a bit stiffer but they will still move.

Towing place - 4x4 experts??????


thats right so the whole spring will still compress albeit stiffer except the bit thats blocked with 30mm of rubber that wont compress
so the wheel will have 30mm less travel upwards but the same down

id say the "towing place" down the road has more experience than me with setting cars/trucks up for dragging dirty great horse boxes etc this would i imagine setting up the suspension too, considering they do suspension parts/accessories.

[Deleted Member S]

thats right so the whole spring will still compress albeit stiffer except the bit thats blocked with 30mm of rubber that wont compress
so the wheel will have 30mm less travel upwards but the same down

id say the "towing place" down the road has more experience than me with setting cars/trucks up for dragging dirty great horse boxes etc this would i imagine setting up the suspension too, considering they do suspension parts/accessories.

Yes 30mm of the spring will be stopped from moving but the rest of the spring will compensate for the 30mm thats not moving. Most towing places stock spring boosters etc but it don't mean they know what they are on about:augielook at kwickfit for example would you take their word as gossple ? I sure would'nt:rolleyes:
You need to talk to & lissen to the guy's in the know who drive/modd 4x4's to get the best results:thumb2Terranosaurus in my eye's is one such person due to his history in the motor sport world.
Sorry for putting you on the spot Terranosaurus:o:o:doh

[extreme-4x4]

ok well as much as i value terras opinion on things. and yes he does know his stuff. but im building my truck for how i want it. and im learning my way.with help from you lot advise etc.
but like i say, you have to try other ways round the problem

if i wanted to clone terras truck i would have just asked him to post details of what he's got and how to do it. as nice as his truck is its not mine

to go and buy a body lift would be easy , anyone can do that. then we would have the same things.

how many times have people asked about wheel sizes and things only to get silence or oh you can only go up to 33" if you do spring lifts and body lifts.
well mine has 35" tyres on and only 2"spring lift,
it drives on the road perfectly well with good steering etc and even now will go any place the average green laner will go.
its only an inch off "back to normal" heavy off road capable
and i do mean very heavy off road. often with no lane or track.. and fast

i dont think anyone has the experience of this kind of lift unless you know anyone else who has tried it "squeezing 35"s in there. i dont think its far off to be honest just needs tweeking a bit

but i really dont see that i need a big lift to do it, and cirtainly dont want one
i dont really have any desires to copy anyone elses truck either. because i doubt many would take there trucks where mine goes, and then use as a family car
lets not forget my truck will go out on a sunday and play happily with competition landies all day, then monday the wife takes the kids to school in it

so i do value peoples oppinions and advise and will use parts of it with a mix of other ideas from other friends and my thoughts
to create something that will do what i want it to do

[lacroupade]

Theres a man who knows what he wants! :clap:clap:clap

[lacroupade]

Anyway, what I want to know is, I've read four pages of this bloody thread - wheres the alien then? :eek:

[zippy656]

you called lacroupade ??:D

[lacroupade]

you called lacroupade ??:D

ah but thats a rude word...

[lacroupade]

mmmmmmmmm :kissy