broke it again

[extreme-4x4]

yep 4wd gone all wobbly again

as you know all new steering stuff
tracking balancing camber all done
i thought i had it fixed so took paul up to banwen for a giggle... we did .but its not right

im right in thinking if the autos lock into 4wd they cant keep engaging the disengage can they
how about the diff could i have a problem there

it drives fine in 2wd and it will roll in 4wd in a straight line nice . but if i give it gas its like its grabing from side to side and pulling side to side
i cant drive it like this as im 40 percent in 4wd and its not roadworthy . i could die

last chance for it now .... im seriously thinking of burning it.

[Terranosaurus]

If you want to eliminat the autos - lock em in, take em off, remove the rings and then they are definitely locked in - no way they can move then.

But no the don't engage and dissenage randomly.

Have you replaced all of the steering bits? 4 TREs, drag link? Whats your steering idler like?

[zippy656]

last chance for it now .... im seriously thinking of burning it.

can i have the whhels and tyres before you do extreme??

[extreme-4x4]

yep 4 tre's ,drag link and new idler
is it possible to do that with the autos. ?

how about the diff would that do anything?

id say its like the diff is repeatedly switching from side to side, every one or two seconds when under strain or drive without welly it rolls smoothly

how about tyre presures i hot 26 front 36 rear

[lacroupade]

Bloody shame because we had a great time today!!

Tyre pressures don't seem wildly out do they....especially for those big boots, at least not sufficient to cause such a problem....not steering linkage is it?

[makeitfit]

Cant believe you're having grief again:(
I dont think the tyre pressure would make much effect. It may make things drag to one side but not wandering about. I've had pressure drop in my big boots and only new when I got out and had a look!
So must be more like the autos not doing their thing properly.
No idea what though. Hope Trex can come up with a plan worthy of a tail on it:sly
Good luck:D

[extreme-4x4]

oh yeah Paul we had a blast.... i did tell you to mind your head and push yourself back into the seat though.
that's where i took Pete to play when he had his old mav.... not worth taking yours to a place like that. just wreck it....

fun place though. but like i said its up to about the limits for a t2.

back to my problem though..... i recon it was good at the start but it started to play up about half way round. but it was not a full test drive so its definitely not right again

[lacroupade]

yep - now got 'raised air' dents in my forehead! But it was a blast!

Hope you still coming Sunday one way or another....

[lacroupade]

but as you say Colin, if its fine when you welly it in 2wd but not in 4wd then its got to be hubs or front diff hasn't it? Unless the fact that the front wheels are then being driven is putting strain on a steering component?

don't give up mate!!! its a car, not a woman....i.e. easily fixed when bent out of shape!

[(RIP) PLANK]

like Hb said take the brake rings out of the hubs and drive it again!

my bet would be on the huns rather than the diff, in my experience and opinion, once you have an issue with auto hubs bin them and get some manuals, dontt waste money on new rings etc.

my advice go for manual hubs!

[tezzer]

colin, it's not a cv out of joint and grabbing is it?


tezzer

[lacroupade]

colin, it's not a cv out of joint and grabbing is it?


tezzer

what Colin failed to mention was that this offroad location was for nutters only! Boulders the size of Zippys wallet......Seriously his truck did things I wouldn't have thought possible for a Mav so it would not be surprising if a joint had popped like that.....he's probably outside with a torch as we speak!

You know the bit in the footwell that slopes up to the underneath of the glovebox, normally at 45-50 degrees to the floor?....well at one point I was stood up on it! He's a boy alright!

[extreme-4x4]

will do the auto 's tomorrow without break rings so at least i will eliminate them from the equasion

any other suggestions ???

[extreme-4x4]

what Colin failed to mention was that this offroad location was for nutters only! Boulders the size of Zippys wallet......Seriously his truck did things I wouldn't have thought possible for a Mav so it would not be surprising if a joint had popped like that.....he's probably outside with a torch as we speak!

You know the bit in the footwell that slopes up to the underneath of the glovebox, normally at 45-50 degrees to the floor?....well at one point I was stood up on it! He's a boy alright!



im stupid ... but im not mad , its too bloody cold out there now
it will wait..... if not ill do the sunday run in 2wd
done the sarn in 2wd just for a giggle:cool:
no joints poped though i know that much

[lacroupade]

again a bit of logic, if it was a dodgy hub, surely the fact that only 3 out of 4 wheels were bring driven shouldn't cause you to fire off at an angle should it? the vehicle would still drive forwards just as if one wheel were slipping and had no drive.....

tezzers theory about something grabbing or seizing makes a lot more sense.....whether thats hubs or CV joint....

and the ride height on your truck certainly puts a lot more strain on things like the CV joint....

[lacroupade]

im stupid ... but im not mad , its too bloody cold out there now
it will wait..... if not ill do the sunday run in 2wd
done the sarn in 2wd just for a giggle:cool:
no joints poped though i know that much

Petes gonna love it if YOU have to be towed out! LOL

[extreme-4x4]

Petes gonna love it if YOU have to be towed out! LOL



like thats going to happen :lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:augie

[lacroupade]

like thats going to happen :lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:augie

LOL...off to bed now, thanks again for today mate, had a great time....good luck tomorrow and hope to see yu Sunday!

[willow]

Fit manaul hubs no bother:nenau:nenau
:rolleyes:

[tezzer]

again a bit of logic, if it was a dodgy hub, surely the fact that only 3 out of 4 wheels were bring driven shouldn't cause you to fire off at an angle should it? the vehicle would still drive forwards just as if one wheel were slipping and had no drive.....

tezzers theory about something grabbing or seizing makes a lot more sense.....whether thats hubs or CV joint....

and the ride height on your truck certainly puts a lot more strain on things like the CV joint....

plus the weight of his right foot. :lol



tezzer

[jims-terrano]

will do the auto 's tomorrow without break rings so at least i will eliminate them from the equasion

any other suggestions ???

Excuse my ignorance but how will it work in 4wd whne the rings are removed? Surely it will just be 2wd then and not show the problem will it?

Jim

[Terranosaurus]

Excuse my ignorance but how will it work in 4wd whne the rings are removed? Surely it will just be 2wd then and not show the problem will it?

Jim

The rings only engage and disengage the hubs, once they are engaged the rings don't do anything until they come to disengage.




Have you checked your bushes? In particular the lower wisbone rear/compression strut bush, if this is knackered the wheel will push back in 2wd but may pull itself forward in 4wd.

I agree with the above about hubs, if one were to dissengage you would just be in 2wd as that shaft would just spin an dno power would go to the other wheel. try it with the rings out to be sure for yourself but IMHO its down to steering or bushes - you still haven't answere about what you've replaced, can't help with no info.

[extreme-4x4]

4 new track rod ends
new steeting idler
new cross bar for steering

so steering its new from power steering pump to the wheels

[Terranosaurus]

Check bushes then.

Also are you running wheel spacers and extra wide rims? - try using a standardish width track set of wheels - any priblem will be made far worse by the wide track.

[extreme-4x4]

ok after re setting the the camber the other day.... and it was perfect on both fronts.
after playing the passenger side wheel has developed a fault.

its now leaning in (camber) about an inch at the top. so the top is in the bottom is out

all of my spacers are correct and still in place. id say the bushes on the camber adjustment area are worn possibly

this is a breif inspection as we are getting intermitant showers now so im popping in and out

bare with me please

i got sun so out again, back in ten probably

[extreme-4x4]

ok well the bushes are dead. its un drivable as its smashing its own steering components together. they still look serviceable but cant drive until its fixed cos i cant buy all the new steering parts again.

im going to try a temp repair pinching parts from my spare truck until i can get new parts from milners.

i still trying for tomorrow team wales but its going to be a lot of work out in the rain to get there

you can ring me on 07772655216 for info on team wales meet tomorrow
new number guys i changed networks to orange

write it down..... ill delete the number tonight ok

[Darwin]

ok well the bushes are dead. its un drivable as its smashing its own steering components together. they still look serviceable but cant drive until its fixed cos i cant buy all the new steering parts again.

im going to try a temp repair pinching parts from my spare truck until i can get new parts from milners.

i still trying for tomorrow team wales but its going to be a lot of work out in the rain to get there

you can ring me on xxxxxxxxxxx for info on team wales meet tomorrow
new number guys i changed networks to orange

write it down..... ill delete the number tonight ok

Were you using rubber or nylon bushes ?

[lacroupade]

well glad you know what it is now Colin, but given those dirty great boulders we were driving over yesterday, is it worth buying new standard components? Bodge it for now and get your a** out tomorrow!

I mean its worth understanding if whatevers busted just gave out under the strain, or got clobbered by something - I know when we went up that mental hill climb you originated, the passenger side took a big belt underneath about hafway up the hill - probably the second time I hit my head if you recall???!!! LOL...so it could be that a bit of shielding might be a better long term bet than keep replacing....

Know what you mean about this rain; Dorne's got me chopping wood while she's out having her nails done and I have to keep diving in for a brew out of the showers! LOL

[Terranosaurus]

is it worth buying new standard components?

I put poly bushes on my compression rods and I'm not happy about the way they fit - going to go back to rubber whenI get chance. Got the poly ones form Milners but whilst they are better than the worn rubber ones they just aren't right. Many people with Landies fit std rubber bushes as whilst in theory they don't last as long as poly in practice they do as they are more compliant and allow more flex. The poly ones run out of give cos they are harder and then start to destroy themselves.

[lacroupade]

I put poly bushes on my compression rods and I'm not happy about the way they fit - going to go back to rubber whenI get chance. Got the poly ones form Milners but whilst they are better than the worn rubber ones they just aren't right. Many people with Landies fit std rubber bushes as whilst in theory they don't last as long as poly in practice they do as they are more compliant and allow more flex. The poly ones run out of give cos they are harder and then start to destroy themselves.

And while I don't pretend to be a mechanic, having driven my truck for a week without the front ARB while waiting for my new droplinks, it was clear to me that not having them on was letting/making the rest of the suspension work overtime on rough roads - all the stresses that the ARB, links and bushes would have been absorbing were having to dissapate elsewhere in the suspension....add to that a 3" suspension lift and wide tyres, then take it for a drive over the nearest boulderfield (and I have to say it did it EXTREMEly well!) and I guess its gonna happen...

You did say çlose to the edge'didn't you Col!

[extreme-4x4]

rain break......
got it changed now the hard bit re setting the tracking and camber etc

still not 100 percent going to make it

also some stupid prat (andrew) told the landy people where we was going. now ok they are friends but they just get all serious and tend to take over
i want to go and make my own mistakes not just spend the day doing what im told and how to do it
where is the fun in that
so i got all them thinking im an arse for not telling them in the first place and now not wanting them to come:doh you just cant win

[lacroupade]

rain break......
got it changed now the hard bit re setting the tracking and camber etc

still not 100 percent going to make it

also some stupid prat (andrew) told the landy people where we was going. now ok they are friends but they just get all serious and tend to take over
i want to go and make my own mistakes not just spend the day doing what im told and how to do it
where is the fun in that
so i got all them thinking im an arse for not telling them in the first place and now not wanting them to come:doh you just cant win

just tell ém we're all NissMavs and they couldn't keep up in their pink Landys. :lol:lol:lol

[extreme-4x4]

ok its back together.... im going to bounce it around the forest tracks for an hour see what happens

[makeitfit]

ok its back together.... im going to bounce it around the forest tracks for an hour see what happens

Would this be the tracks you took me to a couple of months back?:augie
If it is TAKE IT EASY
Top place mind and I was airbourne over some of those boulders!:D

Anyway do you happen to know if Frontera wheels will fit the Mav.
Not measured yet but the fronty seems to have a bigger offset:nenau

Oh if the landy boys do turn up I have a secret weapon "Thunderbird2":cool:
He can lead them off to some more leary bits :thumbs
the change channels on cb:naughty

[extreme-4x4]

frontera wheels fit... i got 3 sets of frontera rims here

quite nice too

[lacroupade]

frontera wheels fit... i got 3 sets of frontera rims here

quite nice too

what size tyres has Andrew got on that Fronty Colin?

[Darwin]

frontera wheels fit... i got 3 sets of frontera rims here

quite nice too

Those frontera wheels , would they fit 10.5/31/15's and stay under my arches with no mods ?

After the rear shocks I was looking at those or similar
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/31-10-5-x-15-MAXXIS-BIGHORN-762-Mud-Terrain-Tyres-x4_W0QQitemZ190283033501QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Cars _Tyres_RL?hash=item190283033501&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318


PS , sorry for the OT thread hijack.

[lacroupade]

After the rear shocks I was looking at those or similar
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/31-10-5-x-15-MAXXIS-BIGHORN-762-Mud-Terrain-Tyres-x4_W0QQitemZ190283033501QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Cars _Tyres_RL?hash=item190283033501&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318





ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh...me first for those tyres!


or...

http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m26b464s495p6593&rs=gb

[makeitfit]

frontera wheels fit... i got 3 sets of frontera rims here

quite nice too

Thats good cause the ones I just picked up are off a fronty:thumbs
Its just the offset I was wondering about, to be sure it doesnt clash with the front steering gubbins and that:augie
How goes the test run?

[makeitfit]

ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh...me first for those tyres!


or...

http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m26b464s495p6593&rs=gb

Def go for the Kumho, they came joint top with BF but cost half.:thumbs
I wish I had the money for some, but Browns tax collectors in blue had all my tyre money:doh
So just got some from fleabay:D
Insa track specials mmm 265/75/16s which is about 31 1/2 " and proper GRR:sly

[lacroupade]

Def go for the Kumho, they came joint top with BF but cost half.:thumbs
I wish I had the money for some, but Browns tax collectors in blue had all my tyre money:doh
So just got some from fleabay:D
Insa track specials mmm 265/75/16s which is about 31 1/2 " and proper GRR:sly

I bought those split rims from Colin and I've fallen in love, so planning to get them refurbed and stick Kumhos on....

[extreme-4x4]

i beleive fronty rims have the same offset as standard t2 mav wheels.
i can check tomorrow if you like.


test run was interesting. for a quick fix it drives good in 2wd. 4wd is another matter...
i selected 4wd on the gravel road. and tried to drive up this gravel lane the truck was rocking around like a boat, as it was what seemed like the usual problem switching between wheels and not really knowing what it wants to do pulling from side to side.

so with tomorrow in mind i thought well it drives in 2wd ok so lets see what it will do in 4wd in the mud or tricky stuff .
i tried a short 50 degree mud hill one i knew id get stuck on but could roll off ok
well its definatelly got drive to the drive shafts but it is having trouble engaging the auto hubs
looking out the windows with the truck just wheel spinning you can see its not engaging
it did eventually with lots of clunking and banging and from then on it was driving almost normal 4wd engage so i drove it home making sure not to reverse yes i kept it in 4wd too slowly

so it should still be engaged.
i recon its either the hubs mechanism sticking or the rings are worn out and not grabbing each other enough to engage the hubs

obviously its still a bit loose on the bushes as they are all dead i think or at best quite worn. but its driving ok good enough for tomorrow id say

so as its engaged now if i remove the rings it should stay engaged. but how long can i drive it with the hubs engaged ? i can still do 2wd but the drive shafts will still be spinning due to the hubs being locked in

[Terranosaurus]

so as its engaged now if i remove the rings it should stay engaged. but how long can i drive it with the hubs engaged ? i can still do 2wd but the drive shafts will still be spinning due to the hubs being locked in

Mk4s are like that anyway as tey don't have freewheeling hubs so you can drive it round like that as long as you want, provided you diff oil is ok - if its not you could do the diff bearings like I did the other week but my diff had been full of water.

[extreme-4x4]

i will change front diff oil first thing in the morning then remove the rings

see how i get on

its only to keep me on the road i need to change the bushes next week when i order from milners

thanks terra you've been really helpfull

[extreme-4x4]

I bought those split rims from Colin and I've fallen in love, so planning to get them refurbed and stick Kumhos on....


tried them on yet paul ???

[makeitfit]

Hey extreme I've got 2 spare auto hubs I'll bring along tomorrow too.
Just incase:augie
Oh yeh , if the fronty wheels fit I'll trying them out too

[lacroupade]

tried them on yet paul ???

not yet, bought a set of locknuts off the bay before I try and bang a socket on to get the old ones off....don't worry, they'll fit!

[extreme-4x4]

not yet, bought a set of locknuts off the bay before I try and bang a socket on to get the old ones off....don't worry, they'll fit!


dont doubt they will fit. just saw some really nice tyres on flea bay too

[lacroupade]

dont doubt they will fit. just saw some really nice tyres on flea bay too

show me....

[extreme-4x4]

show me....


but then you will win them, and not me !!!

[lacroupade]

but then you will win them, and not me !!!

LMAO....I'm eyeing up a set of Kumhos anyway...

[extreme-4x4]

i know.... those maxxis on ebay are better

are you watchin them or do you want a link

[lacroupade]

i know.... those maxxis on ebay are better

are you watchin them or do you want a link

think its the link Darwin put up earlier...

[Lee3197]

Sorry to here that your problems have returned Mate. If I were you, I'd save up my beer tokens and invest in a set of manual hubs. No more worrying about "are they / aren't they" engaged.

Have fun tomorrow, and don't forget the PICS PICS PICS !

Lee. :thumb2