New guy!

[clivvy]

HI Guys,

I just registered, as I am looking to buy a Mav or A terrano. I have my eyes on a few Mavericks, and might be buying THIS WEEK! Only one niggle bugs me, petrol or diesel, and I could really do with you experts advice! First, I intend to use my Mav as a main car to my Mazda MX6-which will become a weekend car/holiday car. The Mav will be work horse/weekend off road fun trips-i wont be doing serious off roading as I am still fairly new to 4x4's (recently sold my Fourtrak-scary to drive on roads!!) just basic fun offroading. With that in mind, which is best, petrol or diesel? With the costs being what they are, it would cost me less to fill up with petrol, but i will get less MPG?

any advice would be wicked, then i can make my decision!

thanks
clive

[rogerneale]

I have a "52" plate Terrano II SE deisel automatic.

I get between 30 and 35 MPG depending on how/where I drive it.

[zippy656]

Welcome Clive. for a fun car SWB 2.7i

ive the LWB. still fun, but not as much, also the SWB is quicker

Zippy

[clivvy]

so, does anyone think the petrol is best avoided, if i want to use it off road??

[rogerneale]

I've waded throuhg a local ford with the water up over the front edge of my bonnet, I wouldn't have doen it with a petrol engine !!!

[rogerneale]

I can't spell either !!!

[clivvy]

ahhh..now this sort of info actually helps my decision. wading through water isnt something i had immediatly thought of, but its bound to happen during my ownership...cant you fit a snorkal to petrol engines, or am i being silly?

i cant spell either!

[zippy656]

I've waded throuhg a local ford with the water up over the front edge of my bonnet, I wouldn't have doen it with a petrol engine !!!

just remember the air intake in behind the n/s headlights..



I can't spell either !!!

your not the only one who cant spell!

i use the abc on here ..


Zippy

[clivvy]

i suppose off road economy on a petrol is much worse than a diesel? what with all the high revving etc

[lacroupade]

One word. D-I-E-S-E-L.

Roger above has a 3.0 (the sorted Patrol engine) so he gets better fuel economy (the swine - look he's only just joined and already I'm insulting him!) - you should expect between 25-30 mpg on a 2.7 diesel, and the higher figure is only with careful driving....in mixed driving you ought to get 25-ish on an automatic or 28-ish on a manual.

Be aware the TD has no intercooler and only 100 bhp; the later TDi with intercooler has 125 bhp and probably a bit more economical (fuel consumption above is my experience over 230k miles with three TDi intercooler equipped trucks).

Both engines have more torque than you can shake a stick at - no idea what the petrol is like as I've never driven one but I can guess you have to row it along a bit with the g/stick!

Keep us posted with your search/purchase! - One thing you can be sure of, having looked at buying a L**d R***er for my missus a while ago, I know you will be getting ten times better value for money with a NissMav!

[zippy656]

you can get more bhp with a power box. or chipping. up to 145bhp i think

very nice, £00 ish i think some times pop up on ebay

[lacroupade]

i suppose off road economy on a petrol is much worse than a diesel? what with all the high revving etc

Just a tip; if theres one thing I've learnt is that offroad, unless a section warrants a bit of a charge for some reason, e.g. zero grip, then 'nice 'n easy' is the order of the day....check out some of the vids the peeps on here have posted and you'll see..thrashing the guts out of your truck just gets you buried in the slime as some members will attest.

(Not that I'd ever embarrass people like Makefit by naming them of course. Oops!)

[zippy656]

very true nice gentle and slow..

see salisbury plain vids and pics.

video SOUND OFF .. not the Queens english used

[lacroupade]

very true nice gentle and slow..



In fact off-roading is a bit like making lerrrrvvv isn't it.

Unless your name is Makefit in which case you keep getting it stuck.

:naughty

[zippy656]

In fact off-roading is a bit like making lerrrrvvv isn't it.

Unless your name is Makefit in which case you keep getting it stuck.

:naughty

:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap

very good that.

[clivvy]

thanks guys, oh well, thats a shame, i had my eyes on a real nice petrol one for £1k. i was pretty sure that diesel was the way to go, but as the nissmav is more unusual in having a petrol equivalent, i just wanted to be sure.

diesel it is, thanks guys, i will elt you know how i get on, and fingers crossed!

i will also check out your vids, its amazing how much you can find out about a vehicle from watching these clips!!

[daveg]

i have both petrol and diesel swb and both are as good as each other. the main benefit to the petrol is alot more power and cheaper to buy than diesel. with fuel prices where they are at moment it is alot cheaper to fill the tank on petrol than diesel. running costs are not that much different about 2-3 mpg difference between them. as the petrol is a smaller engine than the diesel.they both run very well with only the odd problem with the cars, but you can see common problems on the site.
most common problems where sorted out with the newer models and the problems that do come up are reasonabley cheap to sort out. i think so anyway.

the common faults are water pumps, auto hubs, door sensors and other ones are seen on site. at the end of the day if you look after a vehicle...it looks after you. took both of mine off road and both are great cars.so don,t be put off the petrols they are not a bad car. but that is my opinion....

dave g

[clivvy]

Thanks Dave, that helps, its good to get "real world" views on the cars. I have seen loads of petrol ones for sale, but i will be mixing road driving with offroad, and i dont want to be stuck if the petrol is no good off road.

[makeitfit]

Someone mention getting stuck?
The very thought!
Any road up I've had a couple or three petrols and now an oil burner. I have to say it was far more fun getting stuck with the petrol ones:lol
Petrol mpg on SWB was around 25 with big right foot!
Diesel is only a little better until you're on a decent run. BUT petrol 10p a thing cheaper:thumbs
So if you're buying cheap then petrol is cheaper, if you see what I mean.
If you want to tune things up a bit then deisel is the way to go cause the add on bits for more umph are cheaper. Anyway you can find of tuning the petrol is silly money:o
Off road cant see any diff, really other than its probably easier to keep the deisel in deep water.
Snorkel the same prob on both.
Muddy enough for you now?:D

[clivvy]

hmmm...ok then...what about engine breaking.....?

[zippy656]

dont put any oil in


than will break it nicely!

[makeitfit]

hmmm...ok then...what about engine breaking.....?

I guess there wil be more engine braking with the oil burner but in low ratio I never had a problem.
I found the rev range more useful off road with the petrol though, sometimes you change gear on a steep hill for example (off road) and loose momentum with the diesel but you an rev te nuts off the petrol:sly
Power is about the same on both at 120 petrol and 123 TDi but deisl has more torque.
I went deisel this time cause I'm going to tune it a bit and that is cheaper on diesel.:thumbs

[zippy656]

123bhp TDi but deisel has more torque. very usefull when towing a caravan too.

[clivvy]

'tis funny, buying a diesel is more awkward! i am seeing loads of petrols, not so many diesels...ah well! keep looking...

[zippy656]

'tis funny, buying a diesel is more awkward! i am seeing loads of petrols, not so many diesels...ah well! keep looking...

true.

but the diesel can be chiped easyer to get 145bhp and a bit more with K&N air fillter intercooler fan. ect...

[extreme-4x4]

ahhh..now this sort of info actually helps my decision. wading through water isnt something i had immediatly thought of, but its bound to happen during my ownership...cant you fit a snorkal to petrol engines, or am i being silly?

i cant spell either!


you can fit a snorkel to anything but petrol engines dont like water

some say
they dont like going from hot to cold quick
they dont like the strain of pushing all that water in front of them
petrols run hotter than diesels

but without any of them petrol's run off a spark and water tends to stop the sparking , so they stop mid river and you cant re start a submerged truck

not many off roaders are petrol's..... although some do just for the power but they rarely go near water

[clivvy]

thanks extreme, thats makes sense what you say. although i wont be serious offroading for quite some time (as i am new to it all, not done much off road yet) i must still consider i will hit deep water at some point, and i need to rely on the engine to keep going, as my expericene is poor right now. so diesel it is. shame, i saw a petrol one on ebay £1k, nice.

[tezzer]

'tis funny, buying a diesel is more awkward! i am seeing loads of petrols, not so many diesels...ah well! keep looking...


i shall be selling our t2 soon, 2.7tdi manual. :thumb2




tezzer

[clivvy]

oh aye? whats the spec etc and how much you looking for?

[extreme-4x4]

i shall be selling our t2 soon, 2.7tdi manual. :thumb2




tezzer
hey . hey.:eek:..:eek:........ oh no your not

you cant leave us, we like you....... and wifey loves the truck

[tezzer]

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tezzer

[extreme-4x4]

what you getting to drag the caravan with then ?

hope you do stay here......id miss ya

[tezzer]

oh aye? whats the spec etc and how much you looking for?


sent pm

tezzer

[tezzer]

what you getting to drag the caravan with then ?

hope you do stay here......id miss ya


im going to buy a l*** R**** D******** and proberly a swb t2 a bit later on if i can get together with a pal of mine down here who go's laning , see how it goes, but i will be on here having a laugh etc. :thumbs

talking of laughs i've got to go shopping now:doh, i paid for the wife to drive on condition she does shopping, great for a few years now she's got arthuritus i have to go cos she cant lift bags etc:doh:doh


tezzer

[extreme-4x4]

im going to buy a l*** R**** D******** and proberly a swb t2 a bit later on if i can get together with a pal of mine down here who go's laning , see how it goes, but i will be on here having a laugh etc. :thumbs

talking of laughs i've got to go shopping now:doh, i paid for the wife to drive on condition she does shopping, great for a few years now she's got arthuritus i have to go cos she cant lift bags etc:doh:doh


tezzer


cool id have one in an instant.... trouble is i still like the look of the defender but the disco has the comfort ..... but the defender does it for me ....... unless your unloading stupid money but even then id still concider the defender ...... just cos its a proper land rover without all the stuff to break

[tezzer]

i sold my one 3 years ago cos we did'nt get away enough to warrant keeping it or the van, things have changed now, i would love a defender but the wife dont like them, so it's a disco again but thats no problem, im looking at one tomorrow, 1994 and one owner, fully loaded, i'll let you know how i get on.:thumbs




tezzer

[clivvy]

ok, heres a question, newbie question.

I am aware that SWB is the way to go for offroading BUT, clearly LWBs are used off road too SO, how much is there in it? I understand that clambering up short hills is better in an swb, but that doesnt mean lwb's cant follow?

I ask because I need to decide if an LWb will be just as good. Addmittedly i woudl struggle for space on my drive, but at least i could consider it based on the ability of the lwb...

oh, and for inof, the type of off roading i intend to do is light-were talking fun days out on beginners courses at first, moving onto intermediate after a while... All other times the truck will be used as a regular vehicle for holidays, going to work, taking stuff to the skip and so on...

so SWB is my first choice, but let me know your opinions on LWBs

cheers big ears's

[dinky]

Bit more overhang at rear but i have been ll over with this club and apart from towball never had any major problems,so now take it off and fasten sockets underneath 10 min job.JD