t2 or mav ...........also known as ?????

[extreme-4x4]

ok while looking for parts from around the world.... i need to know what other names the t2 is known as

any help peeps???

[Deleted Member S]

Mistral or R20 other name i've got no idea but parts from some of the US spec Nissans do fit onto a T2:rolleyes:

[lacroupade]

I honestly don't think, apart from the Maverick, that the T2 went by any other name Ex. If it had been built in Japan like the Mistral (or I think the original Terrano - see pic), it would have had lots of geographic variants, but I think the Spanish-built T2 only came in two flavours - Nissan Terrano II and Ford Maverick.....

[willow]

Hey sweety was the mistral an import??

There is one near me thats for sale I wondered if it was a short wheelbase t2:nenau

Thanks

[Deleted Member S]

Hey sweety was the mistral an import??

There is one near me thats for sale I wondered if it was a short wheelbase t2:nenau

Thanks

Yes the Mistral in a Jap import & often has a better spec than the norm T2/Mav's we get most are LWB but there seems to be more SWB ones popping up & they are mainly auto's

[jims-terrano]

Yes the Mistral was an import into this country. Most that I have seen have been Auto's, Teale over gold and quite high spec. I once drove robobones and was quite impressed but don't tell him shhhh.

Jim

[jims-terrano]

Yes the Mistral in a Jap import & often has a better spec than the norm T2/Mav's we get most are LWB but there seems to be more SWB ones popping up & they are mainly auto's


Hey Sweety great minds think alike LOL

[willow]

Yes the Mistral was an import into this country. Most that I have seen have been Auto's, Teale over gold and quite high spec. I once drove robobones and was quite impressed but don't tell him shhhh.

Jim


thanks Jim and Sweety:thumbs

The one near me is dark gold looks good short wheelbase
Would parts be hard to get :nenau

[Deleted Member S]

Would parts be hard to get :nenau

IIRC there are a few parts that are harder to get but you can get them if you shop about, but most of the parts are the same:thumbs

[makeitfit]

Some of the american Pathfinder parts are the same:thumbs

[wildbri]

in newzealand there are lots of nissan terranos see www.trademe.nz but they arnt the t2
we know, different altogether but very nice looking motors. I did see some t2s but I think they were badged pathfinders. regards...bri

[willow]

Some of the american Pathfinder parts are the same:thumbs

Thanks

I will go and take a look Sunday don't know if its auto
i don't want an auto

But if its not I may tell Sam to get his own:lol:lol and leave mine alone;)

[wildbri]

sorry that should be www.trademe.co.nz bri

[lacroupade]

To be honest Ex, I think the only safe way is to ensure that the variant you are looking at buying bits from is based on the R20 platform, which is what the T2 and the later Jap-built Mistrals were. Early Mistrals I think had the same platform as the T1 in the photo above - forget what platform that was but you haven't got one mate so it doesn't matter ;).

Even then, you have to remember that while the base platform (which probably came from Japan but I can't say that for certain) is the same (bare engine, gearbox, chassis etc..), a lot of parts would have been sourced in Europe for manufacturing the T2, whether to cut costs, get local subsidies, meet emission control or country requirements, etc..etc.., so you can't always guarantee for example that a part for an R20-based Mistral will fit a T2. The only way to be certain to is for someone to confirm that they have fitted a specific Mistral bit to a T2 or via versa......and even then, I suspect the cost of a Mistral bit imported from Japan might well be a lot higher then a European equivalent (notwithstanding Nissan's 'Robin Hood' pricing policy!).

As for the Pathfinder and other suggestions, I think its unwise to suggest that 'bits will fit'....of course Nissan will have components they use across ranges - switches etc.., but if you look at photos of previous model Pathfinders theres no comparison, its a totally different car on the face of it. Ditto the comment about 'different T2s in NZ' - we have at least one member on here driving a 95 Mistral (same as those here) in NZ...maybe he'll pop up and tell us more, eh Rossco?! :) I mean nobody is going to export a T2 from Spain when Japan and its Mistrals are just up the road from them.

If anyone has good info on comparative models, i.e. with a photo at the very least, by all means post it, but at this point I think the later R20-based Mistral and the R20-based T2 are Ex's only options until someone can say definitively "I have fitted part X from another vehicle to my Mistral/T2".

Anyway looking forward to the WMM tomorrow Ex, weather still looking good for that riverside fry-up! PAUL

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

Ive seen austrailian terrano 2s on our r20 twin headlight mk2 body work, the chassis
of an r20 is based on the wd21 which was the squarer fronted terrano (1) pictured
above and even formed one of pathfinders in the states. though I dont think it
featured the same coiled multilink rear suspension.

the mistrals certainly featured a different auto box to the one the euro terrano2s
eventually gained.

[rossco]

OK the "Terrano" is the base model all so goes under as a RM3, or a T2 as you get different models interiors plusher seats etc.. but basically the same running gear.

Example: http://www.thecaryard.co.nz/results.asp?cboMake=5&cboModel=70&popular=1

The Mistral is made in Spain and not Japan and is made for the more European specific market and look different to the Terrano

Example: http://www.thecaryard.co.nz/results.asp?cboMake=5&cboModel=7&popular=1

Sometimes people get confused around the vin number:
Mistrals vin starts R20-4464890
Terrano RM3 = WBYD21-054176
These very from year to year but are unique to that manufacture.
e.g AE Toyota, BG5 Subaru, etc..



The best way in getting the correct parts for your vehicle is quoting the vin number.

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

Rossco, are you saying the mistrals which to us in uk are jap market trucks resold at end
of their working life to europe are built in spain to start with then. had been under
impression built in japan when found were being supplied to NZ and Oz. Or do you get
their 'second hand' cars too.

We get a few R3Ms here grey imports in uk, probably fewer than mistrals tbh, think some
of dealers think can off load 'em with terrano name but customers don see an r20 when
they turn up, where atleast the misty is same 7 seater r20 bodywork. shame cos r3m is
big truck but more non standard parts within.

[extreme-4x4]

so was the t2 mistral maverick r20.

used in the u.s.a


was nissan known as another make possibly
like the z series are badged as nissan ......skylines are something else

[Terranosaurus]

so was the t2 mistral maverick r20.

used in the u.s.a


was nissan known as another make possibly
like the z series are badged as nissan ......skylines are something else

No US didn't get R20 platform at all.

I think Rossco will find that the mIstrals over there actually came out of Japan - you'd need to check a chassis plate to be sure.

Basically you've got just the ones you know about. Some WD21/D21 will transfere across as has been said the R20 chassis is based on the WD21/D21 chassis but its not totally the same.

[lacroupade]

I believe Terranosaurus to be spot on. Anything built in Spain would be unlikely to have found its way as far as the US or Australian/NZ markets when Japan is relatively just down the road for them...so in the UK we have japanese-built Mistrals (the Mistral wasn't built in Spain ) or Spanish-built T2s methinks.

The furthest away I've seen recognisable T2s is in South Africa where they have a members club....and of course their market is complementary - its where dealers like Trade S and Motorpoint get their BMWs for example; I know cos I nearly bought one until, I found that out.

But like I said earlier, find a pic to back up the guesswork and we can argue from a better perspective - I did that with the Pathfinder and the models prior to the current one bear absolutely no relation to the Terrano or Mistral as far as I can see...

[extreme-4x4]

so what we need then is a parts book/manual's for those trucks then compare the part numbers.... i know with vw skoda you could compare part numbers

[rossco]

Ok I think this might sort the problem out:

The Mistrals we have are imported from Japan second hand but are not made in Japan they were made in Spain.
They are all European spec fog light rear, bonnet release left side internal, just to name a few things.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Mistral

[Terranosaurus]

Ok I think this might sort the problem out:

The Mistrals we have are imported from Japan second hand but are not made in Japan they were made in Spain.
They are all European spec fog light rear, bonnet release left side internal, just to name a few things.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Mistral


Errrr no.

Read the wiki link - first sentence as it happens.

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

i would have thought the bonnet release would be left hand regardless of steering.

mistrals like pretty much all greys have to have a rear fog light fitted, and arrive
with twin reverse lights in the lower clusters, certainly member shark1es did i'm sure.

[Terranosaurus]

Having looked at those ads in the top links - the Oz Mistrals also have the number plate on the back door, just like the JDM ones where the Eurozone models have it under the rear bumper. Also got various goodies euro market cars don't get like wong top mirror, CD player in centre concole/cubby box + so many of them are the blue over teal colour scheme that most of our imported mistrals seem to be.

[rossco]

i would have thought the bonnet release would be left hand regardless of steering.

mistrals like pretty much all greys have to have a rear fog light fitted, and arrive
with twin reverse lights in the lower clusters, certainly member shark1es did i'm sure.

The only vehicles that have this is European specs.

[rossco]

ok while looking for parts from around the world.... i need to know what other names the t2 is known as

any help peeps???

Getting back to the original question the best way would be to use the Vin number found on the fire wall or use the chasis number.
The first digits are the manufacture and model I.D more accurate for finding parts.

[Jocky]

The Nissan Mistral is an 4x4 off-roader (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUV) manufactured by the Japanese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan) automaker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automaker) Nissan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan). It was also made by Nissan's Spanish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain) subsidiary Nissan Motor Ibérica S.A. for the European market, where it was marketed as Nissan Terrano II, and also supplied under an OEM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_equipment_manufacturer) agreement to Ford Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Europe) for sale as Ford Maverick on the continent.

Reading the above doesn't say it was assembled in Japan. It only says it was manufactured by Japanese Nissan.

If it was built in Japan, name the factory:lol:lol:lol

:thumb2

Doesn't matter which country they are built in, it can end up in any market in the world.
Take the Y61 Patrol, its made in Spain and ends up all over the world. Is someone going to tell me there built in Japan:clap

[Jocky]

my 10mins was up:sly to late to edit above post:augie

The Nissan Patrol is a Four wheel drive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_wheel_drive) vehicle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle) manufactured by Nissan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan) in Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan) since 1951. The car is available and produced mostly in Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran), Australia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia); and also in New Zealand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand), Central America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_America), South America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_America), South Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa), Western Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Europe), Brunei Darussalam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunei_Darussalam), Indonesia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia) (discontinued in 2006), Philippines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines), and the rest of the Middle East (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East) and it is in direct competition with the Toyota Land Cruiser (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Land_Cruiser). The Patrol is available with either two door ( Short Wheel Base or SWB ), four door wagon ( LWB, Long Wheel Base ) and Utility / Cab Chassis Variants. The old Y60 (GQ) platform is still manufactured as a military vehicle in the countries of Asia and the Middle East, and various versions of the Patrol are widely used by United Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations) agencies. Users respect the vehicle for its power and durability, and modern version of the Nissan Patrol remains in production.

Who believes this???? The car is available and produced mostly in:nenau:nenau:nenau some things we read are very vague in the english that is used:sly

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

i've always wondered if the r20 having been designed and certainly built in europe was
supplied to japan and asia market in knock down kit, does seem odd building them in
spain for local to japan market but is defined by whether it was worth assembling them
there, after all could be shipped back as return cargo for ships that brought jap built
models of car, afterall whilst cant name al ine not every nissan was built in spain or
sunderland, mind till jocky said patrols built in spain would have said those. if not
then imagine would be sports cars, unless their built in states, what about current pathy,
arent they us, or is it the x5 equiv the murano pretty sure thats built in states.

rossco were you confirming the bonnet or the rear lights, as its a requirement accross
europe for rear fog protection, on right hand lower cluster for rhd markets and on
left for left hookers, the opposite is occupied by an inadequate reverse lens.

[lacroupade]

No offence chaps but Wikipedia is a load of borrox. Its written by people like you and me, thats is to say, people who think they know stuff but often aren't sure (or right).

For example, see here....

http://wikicars.org/en/Nissan_Mistral

..completely contradicts the other Wiki entry.

But, I am 99.9% certain that, irrespective of where the bonnet catch is, the Mistral was made in Japan - and here in the UK its a grey Jap import. The Terrano II is broadly the same vehicle (at least early ones) but will have a lot of different components to the Jap version because of requirements to provide a percentage of European parts (which Nissan had to source to get Spanish government grants), as well as different emission controls etc..

And heres another way I know. I have a place in SW France about 20 miles from the spanish border and the Terrano factory isn't far the other side. I drive the length of France several times a year and when I'm at home there I cross from France to Spain regularly. I see shedloads of Terranos, often modded as the french like their outdoors. But one thing you hardly ever see in France (because I think import taxes are astronomical) is a grey Jap import. And I've never, ever seen a Mistral during the seven years I've been going.

Plus, as already said, it simply doesn't make commercial sense to ship a European-spec vehicle to the other side of the world when Japan is relatively down the road and has the Mistral....guess we can argue til some more firm evidence emerges, but Wikipedia most definitely isn't it I'm afraid........most unreliable data source on the net.

[Deleted Member S]

Well the Nissan factory in Sunderland exports loads of cars to Japan:augie I know this due to some of my M8's do or used to work there plus a friend of ours was until last year one of the top guy's for Nissan europe. He even gets a brand new motor every year of his choise now that he's retired:eek:

[willow]

Ok now I am really confused:doh

Went to see a mistral that was for sale it had sold before I arrived:doh

They did not think to tell before i made the trip:nenau

Still do not know if I should buy one if another comes up for sale:nenau


Are they good bad or ugly:)

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

i wouldnt expect to see a mistral in france as steering wheel would be on the wrong side
and french are well known for restricting personal imports, ie ex pats bringing their uk cars
with them.

we know they are imported here to undercut uk cars, afterall look at how pajeros and
delicas have flooded the market, far more so than a few mistys. the question remains
as i said were the mistys built in spain, likely not, as im sure several members have
confirmed from their vins that origin is japland and judging by oz/nz they would have been
built more locally atleast to asia.

[lacroupade]

believe me they'd buy a jap import if it wasn't for the taxes....as you know, T2s cost twice as much there as they do here...and since a lot of them are bought for offroad use, steering doesn't make much difference...

And Sweety, got to pick you up on that one mate...Nissan has just started exporting rebadged Qashqais to Japan - the first cars they've sent that way in 10 years....

http://www.ukinvest.gov.uk/OurWorld/100390/en-TW.html

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

Ok now I am really confused:doh

Went to see a mistral that was for sale it had sold before I arrived:doh

They did not think to tell before i made the trip:nenau

Still do not know if I should buy one if another comes up for sale:nenau


Are they good bad or ugly:)

Willosw, I'd say generally Good, a loaded t2 afterall. Almost always a slush box
though and not same as later fitted to r20s I think but still capable, as you already
have a sister truck gonna have an idea what to look for. Might be worth checking
insurance quotes before hand as some companies or brokers either wont touch them
or load premiums!

[extreme-4x4]

did they do mistral as a tdi .... ive only seen the td ones ???

[Deleted Member S]

did they do mistral as a tdi .... ive only seen the td ones ???

Yes they did saw one on ebay the other month a nice SWB twin head light model would have had it if I had the money:augie

[extreme-4x4]

Ford Maverick (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140305142736&ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX&refitem=320344372297&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&refwidgettype=osi_widget&_trksid=p284.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DSI%26its%3DI%252BIA%26itu%3DIA%25 2BUCI%26otn%3D4%26ps%3D41)


looks familiar

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

Ford Maverick (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140305142736&ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX&refitem=320344372297&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&refwidgettype=osi_widget&_trksid=p284.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DSI%26its%3DI%252BIA%26itu%3DIA%25 2BUCI%26otn%3D4%26ps%3D41)


looks familiar


hmm thats clearly a patrol, makes you think the ford nissan marriage ran deeper than a
bit of badge engineering in the uk with 'our' mav and the r20/t2.

heard a good one yesterday from Scott, member and towbar guru/pro, that behind his ford
badge in the grill of his mav, is nissan markings. Also when wanting parts for his mav the
ford agents dont have a clue, so goes to nissan, then takes part numbers aquired and goes
back to ford where its cheaper...pmsl nearly. begs question as we discussed which cars or
trucks has ford actually built based on how many marriages of convenience they've had.

think VW, Mazda, Nissan, PSA/Peugout for new transits...

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

Yes they did saw one on ebay the other month a nice SWB twin head light model would have had it if I had the money:augie

seen couple of swb mk2s twin heads with intercooler bonnet but non later and not many
in lwb which is opposite to mk1 situation.

[rossco]

From the Major Events in Nissan's History: (http://www.nissan-global.com)

http://www.nissan-global.com/EN/DOCUMENT/PDF/PROFILE/2008/Profile08_E_32_35.pdf


1980 Jan Nissan acquires an equity interest in Motor Ibérica,S.A. in Spain.

1993 Feb Nissan Motor Ibérica, S.A. begins production of a new 4WD model, the Terrano II for the European market.

1994 April Nissan Motor Ibérica, S.A. begins its shipment of the Mistral (Terrano II) to Japan.

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

Good link,

note in May 95 that Nissan uk ships micra (called march in oz) to Austrailia so
presume they also shipped out the r20s from Spain too as per Mistys.

may 2002 Nissan increases its stake in Renault to 15% wonder if this was a
2 way thing as many companies exchange shares leading to take overs.

No further mention other than an alliance in jan feb 08 making moves into
Israel and India, also in Jan 08 mention of Chysler oem agreement, presume
more badge engineering.

wonder if there is any motor company not 'in bed' with another somewhere!

[lacroupade]

Don't you just hate it when this happens. :o

[lacroupade]

:augie:augie So, what we gonna fight about now then? :augie:augie

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

:augie:augie So, what we gonna fight about now then? :augie:augie


obviously mavericks v. terrano, winner to take on patrol etc etc

[wildbri]

I parked in Windermere main street today (snowing) and when I came back to the terrano parked behind was a terrano..... well so it said on the front and back, but nothing like ours or the mistrals I have seen but it did look like the terranos that I have seen in NZ, so I presume that it was a grey import from somewhere. bri

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

I parked in Windermere main street today (snowing) and when I came back to the terrano parked behind was a terrano..... well so it said on the front and back, but nothing like ours or the mistrals I have seen but it did look like the terranos that I have seen in NZ, so I presume that it was a grey import from somewhere. bri

if not like an r20 body then likely a r3m, bit bigger yet 5 seater only i believe cross between
a 4-runner and a ford explorer if you've had a few, hick.

[Jocky]

From the Major Events in Nissan's History: (http://www.nissan-global.com)

http://www.nissan-global.com/EN/DOCUMENT/PDF/PROFILE/2008/Profile08_E_32_35.pdf


1980 Jan Nissan acquires an equity interest in Motor Ibérica,S.A. in Spain.

1993 Feb Nissan Motor Ibérica, S.A. begins production of a new 4WD model, the Terrano II for the European market.

1994 April Nissan Motor Ibérica, S.A. begins its shipment of the Mistral (Terrano II) to Japan.

Nice one:thumb2:D