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Banshee

17-04-2019, 11:24

Following on from my Vigilante thread;
http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29994

I'll shortly be fitting my new CCTV system to the house that we've purchased and I've started to obtain other bits and bobs ready for fitment.

I spent more hours than I care to admit online researching the hell out of all cameras in general. I really didn't know what was available out there and what was best for your money etc, not only that, I even started getting down as far into what CMOS sensors were used in the cameras etc etc before making an educated decision on a Hikvision 4 Channel DS-7204HTHI-K1 DVR with x4 DS-2CE78U8T-IT3 8MP Turret Cameras.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hikvision-DS-2CE78U8T-IT3-Turret-Megapixel-DS-7204HTHI-K1/dp/B07GH8V1PK/ref=sr_1_22?crid=3TE7BEFEABR9R&keywords=8mp+hikvision+cctv+kit&qid=1553686269&s=gateway&sprefix=8mp+hikvision+cctv+kit%2Caps%2C137&sr=8-22

https://i.ibb.co/Lh943yk/DSC-1662-1280x722.jpg (https://ibb.co/XkFmqP2)

https://i.ibb.co/MpvKHkc/DSC-1663-1280x722.jpg (https://ibb.co/k07zT24)

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jims-terrano

17-04-2019, 12:04

Banshee

17-04-2019, 12:49

This is on my to do list, got loads of cables part way run under floors upstairs. I’ve had Hikvision recommendations from several people including a friend that fits systems.
Are you using CAT5 POE?

I'm not finished yet :naughty

More incoming, I'll be doing a full run down from unboxing to installation

russell.huffer

17-04-2019, 15:03

Watching this with real interest, I am having an extension built and so now is the perfect time to install cameras. I was planning mains and cat 6 to each location.
Some one has suggested POE is this a possibility and do the cameras suggested support it, if not what cable is used to connect / power them.

Many thanks

Russell.

macabethiel

17-04-2019, 21:20

Someone on here recommended Lorex so I went for a fairly basic system but with plenty of scope for later upgrade.

My Lorex NVR has a 2TB memory with Ultra HD 4 K 8 Channel System POE based system.

I only have two Lorex night vision cameras a LNB 8005 with night vision 8MP Ultra HD, plus one motorised camera LNB 8973 they are both colour but will switch to B&W in very low light conditions.

Scope for cloud storage with more at extra cost, my NVR saves a rolling 28 days of footage - plenty for me.

Secure access to system that can be viewed on phone or PC. Took me a while to set it up, still haven't managed to sort out the free cloud storage. Gave a lot of thought to camera locations & NVR location.

System has lots of options for privacy screening etc, alerts to your mobile or via e-mail.

Lazy-Ferret

17-04-2019, 22:14

POE is definatally the easiest way to go, as you do not need to run any more wires than just the Ethernet cable. Most POE cameras allow you to use either POE, or an external power supply.

The great thing is, you can get POE hubs, so you can run a single Ethernet cable to a specific location, and then using the POE hub break out to several cameras from that spot saving you having to run several cables to cameras in a remote location.

I have 8 cameras, 2 are straight off of the recorder, 4 more are off a Hub up in the loft, one is on a wireless extender in the garage, but that camera is on it's own power supply as the extender does not support POE, and the last camera is a cheap little PTZ wireless camera.

Banshee

23-04-2019, 02:57

I've been reading your replies guys and even the guy that has sold me the system via Amazon who I have had to get in touch with via telephone has recommended that we should use CAT5. The system came with a 30M RG59 or "Shotgun" cable as it's referred to as per camera, I intend to install it with this and if I have any issues I'll go CAT5 at a later date using the existing cable runs.

Back to the DVR for now though, I spec'd mine to deliberately come without a Hard Drive as I wanted to spec my own. I'd been reading online that Western Digital make purpose built Surveillance Hard Drives for DVR's :D A bit more research lead and some number crunching lead me to buy a 2TB Western Digital Purple 3.5" HDD which apparently when being developed was tuned to work seamlessly with the Hikvision chipset :cool:

Recording 24/7 at 8MP 1080p 4K I will be able to store 14 days worth of footage :thumb2

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HDD-Purple-2TB-3-5-SATA-6Gbs-64MB/362245008442?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

Postman came
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Fitting
https://i.ibb.co/r2RB04q/DSC-1659-1280x722.jpg (https://ibb.co/TMxQ2mJ)

https://i.ibb.co/xHdZf1Q/DSC-1660-1280x722.jpg (https://ibb.co/C2DLMbF)

Banshee

23-04-2019, 02:59

I've also done a few dry runs in terms of locating cameras and working out where I want them to go on the house, the route of cables and the angle of lenses.

I'll get some more pics and screenshots etc as the cameras start to go up and I configure the system along the way :thumb2

panelbeater

23-04-2019, 14:02

i built a mini xp com with a 4 way camera board 4 hd n vision camers all from china and an old monitor mounted up on a shelf,just left it running 24/7 total cost around 50.
i supplied a stabbing evidence that it court and an arson attack the police said mine was the only everdence they had.

Banshee

07-05-2019, 07:56

Grabbed a little bit more time to plan this setup some more on the weekend in between lumping engines around the country :lol

Having seen another setup similar to mine that has been installed on another house on the estate I have found that you can buy bases for the cameras to sit on rather than having the cameras mounted directly to the wall.

https://www.hikvision.com/en/Products/Accessories/Bracket/Dome/Turret-Camera-Bracket/DS-1280ZJ-M

These help to store the cables in the recess behind so that you only have to run the thinner RG59 cable through the wall rather than running the camera loom through the wall as it is a very short cable and some houses may have walls too thick to get it to come through from the outside.

They also give the original camera a lot better appearance in my eyes, I spec'd the system white deliberately so they stood out against the brickwork on the house, a visual deterrent is the best deterrent.

Lastly, because they are a few inches thick they space the camera from the wall giving a much better angle than can be gained from mounting directly to the wall and allowing a much better range of movement.

I have brought 5 of these as they were a cheap set bundled new on eBay, new you are looking to pay £21 each but my 5 worked out at £14 a piece :thumb2

https://i.ibb.co/QX1mnXc/DSC-2029-1024x578.jpg

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I've decided I'll only be using 3 though as the 4th camera that will be going on the side of the house above the apex of the garage which will have the best view of the street and an arm will be going up so I have the option of upgrading to a motorised one in the future that you can control live via the app on the phone or at a web page :thumb2

Here's the arm I've ordered

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HiLook-By-Hikvision-HIA-B401-110-Arm-Wall-Mount-Bracket-for-Dome-Camera/392247254129?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

More pics and write up soon

Blocky10

07-05-2019, 17:17

Banshee

07-05-2019, 20:46

I'd consider a siren too. Hoody wearing yobs won't necessarily care if seen on a camera but something making a lot of noise might put them off. Not nice but they may swerve your gaff for someone elses that doesn't have a siren....

Don't worry about a siren mate that's already been taken care of. We're also considering a 3M Security Glass installation on the rear patio doors and looking to buy a system a little more sophisticated than the Verisure ZeroVision system at some point :thumb2

Blocky10

07-05-2019, 20:51

Don't worry about a siren mate that's already been taken care of. We're also considering a 3M Security Glass installation on the rear patio doors and looking to buy a system a little more sophisticated than the Verisure ZeroVision system at some point :thumb2

Had to Google it pal. The fog system? Jeez, never seen anything like that

Banshee

08-05-2019, 08:45

Had to Google it pal. The fog system? Jeez, never seen anything like that

I don't want to go with Verisure though as the demo was terrible. The bad thing about that system is the fact that only Verisure can activate the fog system and will only do that when they have verified there are real intruders in the house via the video link PIR's that come as part of the system.

No thanks, just gas em................... :naughty

Banshee

08-05-2019, 09:09

A few of the lads came around last night and we decided to crack on and get a camera up!!!

I picked my spot on the wall outside and did some more measurements to make sure we weren't going to come through the bedroom wall etc :lol I worked out roughly where it would come in via the wall in the loft and had to clamber across all of the trusses and pull some insulation out of the way.

https://i.ibb.co/dpzjL9d/DSC-2037-1024x578.jpg

We measured the RG59 female connections O/D which was 16mm, we drilled a 20mm hole which turned out to be perfect :thumb2

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The first issue arose when I tried to mate the camera to the base and it looks like due to poor manufacturing tolerances the holes didn't line up so I've had to drill 3 new holes, I'm going to have to complain!!!

https://i.ibb.co/60KR3Tb/DSC-2049-578x1024.jpg

Then the final result

https://i.ibb.co/Y8yW0vg/DSC-2050-1024x578.jpg

And a quick money shot :naughty I'll be messing with angles etc at a later stage

https://i.ibb.co/jJRNPbf/DSC-2052-1024x578.jpg

russell.huffer

08-05-2019, 09:44

Am so annoyed with myself, have been dragging my heels over getting cctv ordered and this morning the builders have taken the scaffold down a level, so last week end I could have sat on the scaffold and easily fitted the 3 cameras that have been wired in, now I do not know until I get home tonight if I will be able to reach and may have to wait until the scaffold is removed completely and work from a ladder which I hate.

Must do things quicker in future.

Kind regards

Russell.

Banshee

08-05-2019, 10:01

Banshee

13-05-2019, 12:01

2nd Camera is up and operational :D

Decided I was going to have it on the side of the house on an arm rather than the conventional base as this gives me the ability to upgrade the camera at a later date to a motorized one should things get that serious that I need one, or I just fancy one :augie

https://i.ibb.co/hycKkTv/DSC-2082-1024x577.jpg

So up the ladder and a little help from my friends :cool:

https://i.ibb.co/CV7BPtr/DSC-2084-1024x577.jpg

The base I went for was a Hikvision DS-1272ZJ-110-TRS, I cannot fault Hikvisions products, I will certainly not ever touch or recommend another camera brand again. The arm is rated to 3KG and comes with some M6 bolt projecting rawl's rather than screws and plugs :thumb2 The only thing that let it down was the fact it didn't come with any M6 White caps to cover and protect the exposed nuts

Here's the base attached to the wall with the RG59 ran
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And the final product!!! It looks VERY serious as you look up at my house :bobby:

https://i.ibb.co/MfhG3F0/DSC-2090-1024x577.jpg

And the money shot :thumb2

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Banshee

13-05-2019, 13:10

2 more going up tonight on the rear of the house and that's my lot then :naughty

Then I'll do a guide to all the useful settings on the DVR and a guide of how to configure the Mobile App and desktop software :naughty

macabethiel

13-05-2019, 22:15

I can see why you have the camera nice and high to prevent interference but can you get a facial shot from that angle without the person looking up at the camera ? Perhaps you have a second one somewhere lower to do this.

It looks a very good camera view with a super wide angle for viewing at home or remote viewing on your phone, just asking if you could get a good enough picture to identify someone from that angle?

I originally had both my cameras mounted on my garage roof fascia but in the end I mounted the second one about 4 ft off the ground so it is aiming at anyone walking up the drive or at my front door. This camera has motorised zoom I have set it for full focus at the front (side) door.
As the camera is behind my 6ft wrought iron drive gates (fitted with anti climb spikes) they would have to climb the gate to rip off the camera plus it is covered by my second one as they do this. My NVR is not in the house and is extremely secure elsewhere.

Strangely enough most visitors only notice the one on my garage roof though at night the infra red is a giveaway for the other camera. By the end of the year my lower camera will be even less obvious when the Ivy spreads.

Nice bit of kit especially doing your own hard drive btw.

Banshee

14-05-2019, 00:54

I can see why you have the camera nice and high to prevent interference but can you get a facial shot from that angle without the person looking up at the camera ? Perhaps you have a second one somewhere lower to do this.

If by interference you mean physical and not electrical or radio then that's exactly why I have done it. Before I even specc'd the system I did the typical Zac thing and over analysed all of the crime in the surrounding area as well as what was going on, on our estate. So much so that I've sat and watched hours and hours worth of CCTV footage of house burglaries and one thing that seems to be a common theme was the amount of thieves that were turning up and aiming straight for the cameras, smashing them off the walls and taking them with them!!! I presume this is not only to stop them being identified, but perhaps also re-sale value in the camera if not too damaged and also the fact that some cameras now have SD card slots as extra backup in case of NVR failure.

It looks a very good camera view with a super wide angle for viewing at home or remote viewing on your phone, just asking if you could get a good enough picture to identify someone from that angle?

When I specc'd the system and did my research, I was sure that I wouldn't compromise for anything less than 8MP 4K, I'll upload some day/night footage in full HD when I have all 4 cameras going as I didn't get back home early enough to get the rear 2 on the wall today. The quality is INSANE and I can't stress that enough, so good that you can literally read the brands of car tyres on full zoom outside my house. These cameras are deliberately wide angled lenses to capture the most I possibly can. I'll leave these cameras running all the time at work on my laptop and they are more for prevention and real time monitoring firstly, anything else is just a bonus, our development wide group is so large and connected that I can literally Whatsapp and have a few people at my house in mins if needed or eyes on my house in seconds from windows :thumb2

I originally had both my cameras mounted on my garage roof fascia but in the end I mounted the second one about 4 ft off the ground so it is aiming at anyone walking up the drive or at my front door. This camera has motorised zoom I have set it for full focus at the front (side) door.
As the camera is behind my 6ft wrought iron drive gates (fitted with anti climb spikes) they would have to climb the gate to rip off the camera plus it is covered by my second one as they do this. My NVR is not in the house and is extremely secure elsewhere.

My NVR will be going up in the loft into a 12U data cabinet bolted to the stud wall, if they get into the house that far and get into the door of the cabinet and rip the DVR out then I take my hats off to them and they are welcome to it, additionally, I will eventually have my motion detection triggered footage backing straight up to my Dropbox in the cloud :naughty I have a very big account :cool:

I will eventually get us a Ring doorbell too just to add the icing on the cake as that will crucially capture a head height facial of anyone approaching the front door, beauty of one of these is I won't have to run a cable from it to a DVR, just need to power it.

Strangely enough most visitors only notice the one on my garage roof though at night the infra red is a giveaway for the other camera. By the end of the year my lower camera will be even less obvious when the Ivy spreads.

Nice bit of kit especially doing your own hard drive btw.

Nice touch with the Ivy, but with all going on at the moment in the midlands, I'd rather my cameras stick out like a saw thumb as a big massive visual deterrent.

The hard drive had to be spec'd by me, I was going to get an SSD in it but from research online it seems that it doesn't work very well in a DVR so I went for the purpose built WD Purple for Hikvision DVR's :thumb2

macabethiel

14-05-2019, 20:24

The weekend before last (4th/5th May)a friend of mine had his works van broken into in Tutbury (Staffs) he woke up at around 3.00 am (Wife nudged him in bed) to look out of the bedroom window to see 4 Males in balaclavas breaking into his van.

The thieves pulled the rear doors off their hinges and began removing around £6k's worth of a lifetimes of specialist tools mainly Dewalt stuff including as Gas analyser for Gas Safe Certification he rushed outside to be confronted by a bloke with a Crowbar who asked him if the car on the driveway was his? He then broke the windscreen of his BMW and put a dent in the bonett.

Wife called Police who arrived after 20 minutes - they were long gone, his missus got the VRM from one of the thieves two vehicles a BMW on false plates. Vehicle tracked by ANPR to Stoke on Trent part way they stopped and changed one of the number plates to a different VRM. Both plates false vehicle believed to be stolen not yet recovered.

One of two similar incidents in the same village overnight. Both his CCTV cameras were stolen unfortunately able to reach when standing on his van roof!

The Patrolman

15-05-2019, 21:54

Cracking images B
With a bit of luck my system will be good to go this weekend.
Bosch 1080p starlight with analytics and a Milestone Huskey M20 2x4tb hard drives. It's got a built in 8 port POE+ switch. Bonkers spec cameras, bit when they come up for peanuts you've got to get'em.
Time will tell how good they are..
It's more to see what wildlife comes in the garden than low life....

The Patrolman

15-05-2019, 22:02

We have currently spotted one Troll in the garden

russell.huffer

16-05-2019, 13:36

All my stuff from Doris cctv arrived today, will unpack tonight.

Kind regards

Russell.

Banshee

16-05-2019, 14:17

All my stuff from Doris cctv arrived today, will unpack tonight.

Kind regards

Russell.

Lovely!!! :clap Will look forward to seeing what you have ordered and seeing your setup :cool:

I got my 3rd camera up on the wall last night and have now got awesome coverage of the garden :naughty

Banshee

19-05-2019, 12:39

3rd and most important camera to me is up on the wall now in the garden and lower down on the wall for a better capture of anyone coming through the gate or the back fence.

It's still high enough that you can't hit it off the wall though even if you did come across a rogue mop somewhere :cool:

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macabethiel

19-05-2019, 21:00

My higher camera tends to get a lot of interest from Spiders - the lower one that is easy to reach seems to never get visited by them.

It's now a monthly routine in the summer to de-web the lens!

Lazy-Ferret

19-05-2019, 21:17

My higher camera tends to get a lot of interest from Spiders - the lower one that is easy to reach seems to never get visited by them.

It's now a monthly routine in the summer to de-web the lens!I have one of those cheap fibreglass flag poles with a fluffy duster taped on the end, and have to do mine about once a month. My brother has tried the things like walnut shell, conkers, and the otjer internet suggestions with no luck, so he has to de-spider his as well.

It's amazing how much a spiders web can block out at night...

Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk

Banshee

09-07-2019, 10:18

The cameras have been in a while now so despite the heat, I thought that it would be a good idea to attempt the loft flooring that I've had in the spare room for about a week and a half now.

I regretted it the minute I started it and was pouring in sweat in no time!! I got the weird bit to the left of my loft hatch sorted first as it's most important, it's going to be housing my data cabinet for the DVR and other goodies.

So I jumped in and moved as much insulation out of the way that I needed to then I loaded the goodies into the loft
https://i.ibb.co/K5F0bN9/DSC-2749-1024x578.jpg

Went for 2 cross beams close together to spread weight better as the cab will be going right in the middle of that space there
https://i.ibb.co/QD4QNVG/DSC-2753-1024x578.jpg

Then a rough placing of how it will look when the boards are attached, I haven't fixed the boards down yet as I still have wiring to do
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Jay666d

09-07-2019, 13:58

Banshee

09-07-2019, 16:40

Looking Good man! Can't wait to see it set up!

This month the rewire of my house starts and I've got data cable and power running ot the loft so I can move my CCTV out of the spare bedroom and into the loft!

When I have the cash, I will be upgrading the cameras from the 700 TVL's they currently are! :eek:

Yuk!!!!! 700TVL :flush:

Deffo get that DVR in the loft mate, I plan to alarm the cabinet and will also be making sure it's locked at all times too. I've also got plans to add some air induction into the cabinet as it does get very very warm up in that loft :cool:

The misses wasn't too enthused about me doing the loft flooring until she popped her head in the hatch and realized just how much space I'll be creating :doh

Here comes the clothes!!!!!

jims-terrano

09-07-2019, 17:47

Great job Zac, are you itching from all that fibre glass

Banshee

09-07-2019, 20:12

Great job Zac, are you itching from all that fibre glass

It's not as bad as everyone makes out, I was up in it on Saturday moving it in just shorts and T Shirt in almost 30 degrees.

It made my arms itch a little but I had my respirator on and that was the main thing :cool:

Jay666d

09-07-2019, 20:54

Banshee

09-07-2019, 21:32

Shouldn't of let her poke her head up... That's vital Mas Space gone.

As part of the rewire, I also have Cat6E being sent to the current camera locations and a few extra places... I will be getting PoE cameras, so it should be as simple as Plug 'n' Play! :clap:clap

Can't remember if I mentioned it earlier on in the thread but I've seen some naughty naughty PoE exploits on commercial properties not a residential admittedly but one of the attacks was done via BT Streetside furniture if you catch my drift :eek:

I've gone RG59 shotgun and quality is not compromised at all :cool:

The Patrolman

09-07-2019, 21:34

Nice one Banshee.
Nowt but straw in our loft...

Banshee

09-07-2019, 21:35

Nice one Banshee.
Nowt but straw in our loft...

:lol :lol :lol

macabethiel

10-07-2019, 04:08

Yuk!!!!! 700TVL :flush:

Deffo get that DVR in the loft mate, I plan to alarm the cabinet and will also be making sure it's locked at all times too. I've also got plans to add some air induction into the cabinet as it does get very very warm up in that loft :cool:

The misses wasn't too enthused about me doing the loft flooring until she popped her head in the hatch and realized just how much space I'll be creating :doh

Here comes the clothes!!!!!

Quite a few DVR systems offer Cloud Storage some free capacity & extra for a fee. No need to have it in the loft then. My Lorex system gives me a weeks f.o.c. in the cloud if I want it.

That said if you have an external meter box the determined can just switch off the mains!

Banshee

10-07-2019, 09:43

Quite a few DVR systems offer Cloud Storage some free capacity & extra for a fee. No need to have it in the loft then. My Lorex system gives me a weeks f.o.c. in the cloud if I want it.

That said if you have an external meter box the determined can just switch off the mains!

My NVR will be hooked up to my OneDrive in due course, I have 50GB free that I intend to utilize for motion detection clips only as 50GB will soon fill up!!!

The switch the meter off trick wont work either as I have the camera power source and NVR hooked up to a UPS :rolleyes: With my calculations I should be good for 1hr30mins with the battery that's in it. It means I'll be blind remotely but still capturing footage of anything malicious happening outside and footage will be safe as long as they don't make it to the loft.

Lots of temple of doom type stuff on the way up there for them too :naughty

jims-terrano

10-07-2019, 09:44

Banshee

18-11-2019, 12:02

After fighting with the NHBC to get boards in our loft replaced that have now been stained by mould. This was due to builder negligence, it appears the sub contractors had made a crappy attempt at attaching the ducting for the bathroom extraction fans to the vents in the roof :banghead

With that now "resolved" I've decided I'm going to sand and paint the boards and beams myself. That in mind I decided it was time to finish the CCTV install!!!

I climbed back into the loft and realised the mammoth task ahead
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I moved everything around and started to unbox all of the LofTZone InstaLoft beams and supports and get them lined out where they were going and then made sure they were all straight.

https://i.ibb.co/0QMdZkT/IMG-20191116-173253984-1024x576.jpg

I then got them all screwed down tight and re-laid all of the insulation between the beams, you'll notice that due to the way I'd built around the loft hatch, I'll need to modify 2 cross beams and cut them shorter to get them to fit to the edge correctly

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I also had to re-locate the TV aerial as it was in the way of the main walkway.

https://i.ibb.co/NsTvyKq/IMG-20191117-143223292-576x1024.jpg

That pitiful 30W Energy Saver bulb had to go! New 5600k LED Batten :naughty

https://i.ibb.co/JmNYfvB/IMG-20191117-143216400-HDR-1024x576.jpg

Boards near completion

https://i.ibb.co/mT1sKVF/IMG-20191117-170452825-1024x576.jpg

Just the cabinet to build tonight hopefully :naughty

Then I can make a start at moving the DVR and all of it's cabling up from the living room, that will really make the girlfriend happy :D

solarman216

18-11-2019, 12:29

Banshee

18-11-2019, 12:43

Do be very careful what you put up there Zac, trusses are designed to only support the roof and inside ceiling, even if you have stud walls below the joists they are sat on will have shrunk and so the stud will not be in contact with the floor or ceiling, just a word of caution, Rick

Thanks Rick :thumb2

It's mainly going to be suitcases, xmas decorations, sentimental DVD's and VHS tapes and most importantly the cabinet with the CCTV kit in it :cool:

macabethiel

18-11-2019, 13:13

The one real bonus we had after our house fire was that the contractors had to comply with current building regulations for the new upstairs walls and roof insulation.

They used plaster board for the upstairs bedrooms that had Kingspan (2") Insulation attached on all walls except the outside end ones - due to house design being dormer style.

Also same insulation to rafters, as a result the loft does not get quite as furnace like in the summer - noticeable increased heat retention in both bedrooms in winter. In summer we have to have upstairs windows open.

Loft was re-boarded as before with lighting - florescent not LED though.

macabethiel

18-11-2019, 23:18

Sounds expensive is it ??

Lazy-Ferret

19-11-2019, 00:05

Sounds expensive is it ??

The problem with UPS's, is they are really only designed to run for a few mins after a power cut, to give you time to do a structured shut down of a system, and obviously to cover brown outs, short off/on's of power and surges.

The longer you need them to run for, or for higher current loads, the price shoots up. The batteries only really last 2 years or 3 at a stretch, but then could well fail before the calculated cover time, regardless of how many power cuts you have in their life, and as they tend to be specific sized Sealed Lead Acid, can be quite expensive to replace. A lot of the more affordable UPS's use a cluster of NiCads and those can be practically impossible to source for a price that makes them worth replacing.

I have never done the calculations, but I think you would probably save money getting a smart battery charger, a couple of deep discharge batteries, and an inverter.

By the way Zac, you keep talking about the potential security issues of Cat5/6, but when I worked at the University, we had a whole RJ59 network taken down with a well placed pin through the cable... It also became the preferred way to silence nuisance CB'ers in the 80's as well, as it would short the output, and blow their CB output transistor...

macabethiel

19-11-2019, 07:34

Our Meter Box is not accessible unless you have scaled our 6ft Side Gates, might be a lot cheaper to put a steel cover over the meter housing with a padlock?

Electric Supplier might think I am meter tampering & it would be harder to access by emergency services.

Banshee

19-11-2019, 12:43

The problem with UPS's, is they are really only designed to run for a few mins after a power cut, to give you time to do a structured shut down of a system, and obviously to cover brown outs, short off/on's of power and surges.

The longer you need them to run for, or for higher current loads, the price shoots up. The batteries only really last 2 years or 3 at a stretch, but then could well fail before the calculated cover time, regardless of how many power cuts you have in their life, and as they tend to be specific sized Sealed Lead Acid, can be quite expensive to replace. A lot of the more affordable UPS's use a cluster of NiCads and those can be practically impossible to source for a price that makes them worth replacing.

I have never done the calculations, but I think you would probably save money getting a smart battery charger, a couple of deep discharge batteries, and an inverter.

By the way Zac, you keep talking about the potential security issues of Cat5/6, but when I worked at the University, we had a whole RJ59 network taken down with a well placed pin through the cable... It also became the preferred way to silence nuisance CB'ers in the 80's as well, as it would short the output, and blow their CB output transistor...

I was keeping my UPS a secret but since you've all been mentioning them you've forced my hand.

I've grabbed an old APC RS-1500 UPS that was in the WEEE skip at work;
https://community.spiceworks.com/products/43470-apc-back-ups-rs-1500

I asked why it was in there and they said that the batteries had gone and were too expensive to replace so they ordered a bigger unit to replace. I took it home and was able to replace the batteries inside with Lucas replacements of the same spec; 12v 9aH

https://www.gobatteries.co.uk/product/manufacturers/lucas/lsla9-12-lucas-agm-battery-12v-9ah/

The UPS is now working again as it should, I'm not 100% how long I'll get out of a fully charged unit in the event of a power cut but I will be expecting it to run the DVR and the Power Supply for the cameras minimum, I'm going to dry run it when I have the cabinet built and all of the cables and power at my disposal in the loft.

Will certainly be nice to know I'm still rolling when the power goes out :naughty :cool:

elty001

19-11-2019, 13:05

Should have said something mate.
Had this sat in my office gathering dust for a while.
Battery is goosed but here if you want it:thumb2
10921

Banshee

19-11-2019, 13:23

Should have said something mate.
Had this sat in my office gathering dust for a while.
Battery is goosed but here if you want it:thumb2
10921

That's the exact one I've got!!!! Now complete with a fresh set of batteries :naughty

solarman216

19-11-2019, 20:43

What is the Ah rating of the batteries Zac, guess you are to use it for your CCTV system, how long do you think it will run in a power cut, Rick

Banshee

19-11-2019, 21:02

What is the Ah rating of the batteries Zac, guess you are to use it for your CCTV system, how long do you think it will run in a power cut, Rick

The batteries are 9ah x2, will just be a DVR and 4 cameras which are all powered by one brick anyway on a splitter.

I have no idea how long it will last for but as soon as I'm up and running in the loft I intend to do a real world test so I'll report back. If I get 30mins to an hour I'll be happy :naughty

solarman216

19-11-2019, 21:53

Be interesting to see the results, I have DVR and 4 cameras, so must do a power usage check to make a comparison, pretty sure the DVR runs on 12v dc, if so I have a 24v to 12v converter which will be better than running on 240ac which comes from an inverter on 24v dc, certainly the other way round I use half the fuel charging from the 24v gen set than I do with the 240v via chargers, Rick

solarman216

19-11-2019, 21:55

Re Jonela, this forum is not just about 4 x 4, Rick

Banshee

20-11-2019, 14:17

In the loft again last night as it was way way too cold to be messing about with the truck outside which really needs the most attention to be honest :doh Anywho.......

Managed to get the cab half rebuilt, just need to clean it with some degreasing wipes and then I can start populating it with goodies :naughty

Here's the UPS I have :thumb2

https://i.ibb.co/B4pLL8Q/IMG-20191119-204811003-1024x576.jpg

Flat Cab
https://i.ibb.co/KN8Wbx4/IMG-20191119-204819266-1024x576.jpg

Built Cab
https://i.ibb.co/C6d5h97/IMG-20191119-214637394-1024x576.jpg

elty001

20-11-2019, 18:41

Looking good mate:thumb2

Banshee

25-11-2019, 12:41

Managed to finish all of the hard work in the loft the weekend :thumb2

Only real issue I had was pairing my PowerLine adaptors for some reason, they just did not want to pair, did a quick Google and none of the clever ideas on the forums etc worked until I came across the official troubleshooting video for my adaptors, a few seconds in, it mentions to have the PowerLine adaptor plugged directly into a wall outlet and no a gang, moved it and hey presto :cool:

https://i.ibb.co/hf2VzSc/IMG-20191124-181419594-1365x768.jpg

I fitted an LED strip inside the cabinet that has 2 modes, blue and white, I think I'll leave it Blue for showing off and then switch to white when I need to do work inside :naughty

https://i.ibb.co/wzLkmP8/IMG-20191123-191556146-768x1365.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/6HNxBm7/IMG-20191123-191613025-768x1365.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/VJb7VHg/IMG-20191123-192616530-768x1365.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/BgHJ7cM/IMG-20191123-192600909-768x1365.jpg

I'm just waiting on x3 300mm Shelves to be delivered this week and then I'm going to make the cabling inside PERFECT :naughty

https://i.ibb.co/pwCZJtz/IMG-20191124-210934477-1365x768.jpg

That's another job I can tick off the list and extra brownie points for Banshee for finally moving the DVR from the living room floor with all the cables intertwined up the banister and then into the loft hatch :doh

Ah, wait, now I've made room for the Xmas tree :( :doh

Jay666d

25-11-2019, 12:46

The blue looks very professional! :thumb2:thumb2

Banshee

25-11-2019, 12:51

The blue looks very professional! :thumb2:thumb2

Cheers Pal

I might invest in a green one too :naughty

jims-terrano

25-11-2019, 13:51

Cab is looking well be nice to see some flashing lights too:thumbs

Banshee

25-11-2019, 15:42

Cab is looking well be nice to see some flashing lights too:thumbs

Other than the online for the UPS and the small white LED for the HDD activity on the DVR there won't be much blinking in there, no switches or servers I'm afraid as it's not for that type of thing.

It's mainly just there as a last line of defence from burglars if they do make it that far into my house, I don't intend to let them get an easy ride down the road with all my footage :doh

macabethiel

25-11-2019, 18:05

I had similar trouble with mine not pairing up unfortunately although they were okay in the house ring main circuits they would not work as far as my Garage - must be a combination of the distance from the house. Also I have a Consumer Unit in my Garage just too much resistance I guess.

I ended up hard wiring an Internet cable from house to garage as the Wifi will not give a good enough signal.
I used an old telephone conduit from house to garage put in by VM when i had a hard wired telephone out there in the days of dial up internet.lol

Another thing I found was that I could pair up the Powerline Adapters when they were next to each other in a socket then when done put the output one where I wanted it - saved a lot of time dashing between rooms and holding down buttons etc.