Nissan Terrano Commercial Speed Limits

[Thomas61]

Hi,
I am curious, does anyone have knowledge as to whether the Nissan Terrano Commercial is classed as a Light Goods Vehicle so is restricted these lower speed limits on our roads.

•50mph single carriageways
•60mph on dual carriageways
•70mph on motorways.

I found a few links and it looks like they may as over the 2ton max weight allowed to qualify as a Car Derived Van.

Thought I would ask the collective as T-Doug was also interested.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/car-derived-vans-and-dual-purpose-vehicles/car-derived-vans-and-dual-purpose-vehicles

This is a 2006 (could not find earlier) Press Spec pack for the Terrano Van. It gives the Max Gross Weight as 2510kg.

http://newsroom.nissan-europe.com/uk/en-gb/media/pressreleases/77174

[macabethiel]

Does it not fit the category of a dual purpose vehicle ?


https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/car-derived-vans-and-dual-purpose-vehicles/car-derived-vans-and-dual-purpose-vehicles

[terranosaurusdoug]

Does it not fit the category of a dual purpose vehicle ?


https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/car-derived-vans-and-dual-purpose-vehicles/car-derived-vans-and-dual-purpose-vehicles

Must have rear seats and windows according to that.

[terranosaurusdoug]

C'mon Zac do us a flavour 'n have a look at your logbook :thumbs

[Thomas61]

This covers the rules on Dual Purpose Vehicle requirements in detail. I got the impression this was brought in to help define pickup trucks that have a double cab brought as personal vehicles as apposed to single cab pick ups which could be classed as commercial.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/1078/regulation/3/made

[macabethiel]

Must have rear seats and windows according to that.

Oh yes didn't know if you had any rear seats or Velux windows !

[Banshee]

Body Type : Light 4x4 Utility
Taxation Type : Light Goods Vehicle
:nenau

[terranosaurusdoug]

Body Type : Light 4x4 Utility
Taxation Type : Light Goods Vehicle
:nenau

Watch out for plod with speed guns then mate, say if you are on a dual carriageway with a 60 limit you can only legally do 50, speed cams won't flash you below 60 but the mobile ones might and pc knobhead hanging out of his window probably will. My mate got done doing 56 in a 60 in his works van by traffic cop. I think basically you have to knock 10mph off of most speed limits like trucks do.

[Banshee]

Watch out for plod with speed guns then mate, say if you are on a dual carriageway with a 60 limit you can only legally do 50, speed cams won't flash you below 60 but the mobile ones might and pc knobhead hanging out of his window probably will. My mate got done doing 56 in a 60 in his works van by traffic cop. I think basically you have to knock 10mph off of most speed limits like trucks do.
We'll I'm damn glad that I started this subject because I've not been adhering to those speed limits :O

You'd have to be unfortunate enough to encounter some old boy traffic bobbys that have been on the job a while to get lumbered with a fine for that one though, most would just see it as a 4x4 and not even think that it could be a van.

This one has got my brain tingling for more answers, I'm going to hit the web tonight and see what I can find on this subject :thumbs2

[terranosaurusdoug]

We'll I'm damn glad that I started this subject because I've not been adhering to those speed limits :O

You'd have to be unfortunate enough to encounter some old boy traffic bobbys that have been on the job a while to get lumbered with a fine for that one though, most would just see it as a 4x4 and not even think that it could be a van.

This one has got my brain tingling for more answers, I'm going to hit the web tonight and see what I can find on this subject :thumbs2

Yes mate you'd be pretty unlucky to come accross one that knows what it is.

I hope you find out it doesn't apply to you, it's just more ammo for Rob otherwise :lol

[Thomas61]

We'll I'm damn glad that I started this subject because I've not been adhering to those speed limits :O

You'd have to be unfortunate enough to encounter some old boy traffic bobbys that have been on the job a while to get lumbered with a fine for that one though, most would just see it as a 4x4 and not even think that it could be a van.

This one has got my brain tingling for more answers, I'm going to hit the web tonight and see what I can find on this subject :thumbs2

Would there be any insurance issues if it is on a car policy as apposed to a Van policy. Although thinking they must know what they are insuring when you type in the reg.
More and more questions.

[Banshee]

Would there be any insurance issues if it is on a car policy as apposed to a Van policy. Although thinking they must know what they are insuring when you type in the reg.
More and more questions.
I'm on a van policy with no restrictions what so ever and was almost 300 quid cheaper than a car policy, it's with Adrian Flux ;)

[Thomas61]

I'm on a van policy with no restrictions what so ever and was almost 300 quid cheaper than a car policy, it's with Adrian Flux ;)

£300 cheaper :eek: That is one hell of a saving.

I drive a work Transit every day and to be honest I must get over taken a couple of times every day by other transit type vans when I am doing 50mph on a 60mph single carriageway road. I just put it down to people either not knowing or most probably not caring.
The whole speed limit thing is useful info to know though especially if you have a dash cam with speed recording and a transit type does something stupid.

[makeitfit]

I thought the terrano would still be "car"based regardless of commercial status.
So therefore good to floor it :sly

[Banshee]

I thought the terrano would still be "car"based regardless of commercial status.
So therefore good to floor it :sly

Couldn't find a definitive answer out there but a lot of people saying that 4x4 derived "vans" adhere to normal car speed limits so I'll not worry anymore about it

[terranosaurusdoug]

Taken from dvla website, just watch out for them rozzers :thumbs

If your van is a CDV, it will be recorded as such under ‘body type’ on the vehicle’s registration document (V5C). If there is any other entry under ‘body type’ the vehicle is not registered as a car derived van and will be subject to speeds lower than the national limits.

[Monaro Pete]

I've just done a weeks driver CPC course.
We covered this, but I knew before I went on the course as I drive a van every day for work.

A van with a MGW of 3.5 tonne is restricted to 50 MPH on A & B roads unless a lower limit is stated, 60 MPH on Dual Carriageways unless a lower limit is stated & 70 MPH on Motorways.

A van with a lower MGW is class as a car & can do as such, this includes Terranos. Navaras & all the others.

[Banshee]

:bobby: :flush:

Thanks for clarifying that Pete

[makeitfit]

I've just done a weeks driver CPC course.
We covered this, but I knew before I went on the course as I drive a van every day for work.

A van with a MGW of 3.5 tonne is restricted to 50 MPH on A & B roads unless a lower limit is stated, 60 MPH on Dual Carriageways unless a lower limit is stated & 70 MPH on Motorways.

A van with a lower MGW is class as a car & can do as such, this includes Terranos. Navaras & all the others.
hmmm, my swb transit got me points for the very cheek of driving at 60 on A road :o With all the rust and cheap tin Ford used to build it I reckoned it was lighter than the MX5 :doh

[macabethiel]

I am minded to agree it's a car derived van if the maximum laden weight does not exceed 2 Tons ?

[Thomas61]

I am minded to agree it's a car derived van if the maximum laden weight does not exceed 2 Tons ?

That's what I thought but from the Nissan Specification within the link in my first post it states a Maximum Laden Weight of the the truck is 2510kg which puts it over the 2000kg you mentioned. :nenau

Would like to have faith in Pete's training though, seems a sensible was of dealing with the problems of weight and speed. Plus his knowledge should be bang up to date.

[macabethiel]

That's what I thought but from the Nissan Specification within the link in my first post it states a Maximum Laden Weight of the the truck is 2510kg which puts it over the 2000kg you mentioned. :nenau

I believe that the Police can only use your vehicle plated weight to prove it is over 2000kg. Does your V5 log book show a plated or gross weight or is there one riveted to your vehicle somewhere. If not then you should be ok. The Police do not work with Handbooks or vehicle brochures but with proper tangible evidence.

Might be worth talking to a Police Traffic Office next time you see one. Might be a long wait if it's like Derbyshire !

[Blocky10]

Might be worth talking to a Police Traffic Office next time you see one. Might be a long wait if it's like Derbyshire !

Is that right :sly I'm moving to Derbyshire:cool:

[Thomas61]

I believe that the Police can only use your vehicle plated weight to prove it is over 2000kg. Does your V5 log book show a plated or gross weight or is there one riveted to your vehicle somewhere. If not then you should be ok. The Police do not work with Handbooks or vehicle brochures but with proper tangible evidence.

Might be worth talking to a Police Traffic Office next time you see one. Might be a long wait if it's like Derbyshire !

Another one for Banshee to check then :)
I drive a standard LWB Terrano (for now anyway, just failed MOT on rust today)
This came up in Banshee's 'Strange Tax Bands' thread but did not want to highjack his thread.
I was curious and thought it might save someone some hassle if the speed limits were indeed different.

Same here regarding Traffic Police unless there is a festival on then suddenly they come over from the mainland and are everywhere.

[Monaro Pete]

I took some old batteries & metal to the scrap yard on Saturday. On the way out my Truck weighed (with our lass sat in it & half a tank of fuel) 1860 KG. With me standing on the weigh bridge it went up to 1940 KG............ So working on a full tank, seven adults & any luggage the weight could be close on 2500 KG or more. I realise that our trucks don't come under "dual purpose".

This has got me thinking now & I'm also thinking if I've been told incorrectly by our class instructor :nenau

As a for instance..........
I was chatting to my mate earlier regarding when he took his CPC & his instructor said you could drive a Artic tractor unit with a class two licence providing the fifth wheel was locked or removed................ Our instructor
said you didn't need to remove the fifth wheel or lock it off to drive it.
Working on the above paragraph, who's right & who's wrong

The below web site talks about vehicles under 2000 MGW & I draw your attention to campers as this could be where the misunderstanding has occurred :nenau
I know that I drive a van with a MGW of 3.5 tonnes & I know my speed limits are as my previous post. I apologise for confusing folk even more as I was only going on what my instructor (whom appears to be wrong) told us.

https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

I took some old batteries & metal to the scrap yard on Saturday. On the way out my Truck weighed (with our lass sat in it & half a tank of fuel) 1860 KG. With me standing on the weigh bridge it went up to 1940 KG............ So working on a full tank, seven adults & any luggage the weight could be close on 2500 KG or more. I realise that our trucks don't come under "dual purpose".

This has got me thinking now & I'm also thinking if I've been told incorrectly by our class instructor :nenau

As a for instance..........
I was chatting to my mate earlier regarding when he took his CPC & his instructor said you could drive a Artic tractor unit with a class two licence providing the fifth wheel was locked or removed................ Our instructor
said you didn't need to remove the fifth wheel or lock it off to drive it.
Working on the above paragraph, who's right & who's wrong

The below web site talks about vehicles under 2000 MGW & I draw your attention to campers as this could be where the misunderstanding has occurred :nenau
I know that I drive a van with a MGW of 3.5 tonnes & I know my speed limits are as my previous post. I apologise for confusing folk even more as I was only going on what my instructor (whom appears to be wrong) told us.

https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

hate to sound pedantic, to my knowledge but there hasnt been class 1/2/3 on hgv for 20 years, though wouldnt think it as every one still refers to as hgv and classes.

you see big firms advertising for hgv classes drivers not LGV drivers.

rigid over 7.5 tonne is a C
upto 7.5 is C1

No difference now between 2 and 3 ie 2 or more axles.

class 1 is C+E, believe at one time there was a restriction for drawbars though of course Id say if you reverse a drag trailer, ie turntable, you've got 2 pivot points against a fifth wheel's 1 pivot.

ref locking the fifth or removal, many owners of yank tractor units on the display scene do just this, some if lucky then get them down rated to 7.5 tonne too. I know a guy with a 6x4 kenworth aerodyne cabover, which with wind in right direction can just squeeze under the 7.5t though his isnt as has a C+E ticket.

[Thomas61]

I took some old batteries & metal to the scrap yard on Saturday. On the way out my Truck weighed (with our lass sat in it & half a tank of fuel) 1860 KG. With me standing on the weigh bridge it went up to 1940 KG............ So working on a full tank, seven adults & any luggage the weight could be close on 2500 KG or more. I realise that our trucks don't come under "dual purpose".

This has got me thinking now & I'm also thinking if I've been told incorrectly by our class instructor :nenau

As a for instance..........
I was chatting to my mate earlier regarding when he took his CPC & his instructor said you could drive a Artic tractor unit with a class two licence providing the fifth wheel was locked or removed................ Our instructor
said you didn't need to remove the fifth wheel or lock it off to drive it.
Working on the above paragraph, who's right & who's wrong

The below web site talks about vehicles under 2000 MGW & I draw your attention to campers as this could be where the misunderstanding has occurred :nenau
I know that I drive a van with a MGW of 3.5 tonnes & I know my speed limits are as my previous post. I apologise for confusing folk even more as I was only going on what my instructor (whom appears to be wrong) told us.

https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

No need to apologise mate, if we can't trust our trainers then who can we trust. They are supposed to be at the front edge of knowledge and quotable on that information.

Do wonder where that leaves us on the whole "Terrano Commercial" Car or van limits. From all I have read I am thinking the information points towards van limits. Think we need to get the MGW off a vehicle plate as suggested.

[Banshee]

No need to apologise mate, if we can't trust our trainers then who can we trust. They are supposed to be at the front edge of knowledge and quotable on that information.

Do wonder where that leaves us on the whole "Terrano Commercial" Car or van limits. From all I have read I am thinking the information points towards van limits. Think we need to get the MGW off a vehicle plate as suggested.

I've not got my truck with me today otherwise I'd check at lunch, I will have a looksie when I get home though

[macabethiel]

Another one for Banshee to check then :)
I drive a standard LWB Terrano (for now anyway, just failed MOT on rust today)
This came up in Banshee's 'Strange Tax Bands' thread but did not want to highjack his thread.
I was curious and thought it might save someone some hassle if the speed limits were indeed different.

Same here regarding Traffic Police unless there is a festival on then suddenly they come over from the mainland and are everywhere.

A LWB Terrano assuming you have rear windows will be classed as a Car i.e.old Group A
now after 2013 called Group B on your licence.

Not sure if this link helps https://www.gov.uk/old-driving-licence-categories

[Thomas61]

A LWB Terrano assuming you have rear windows will be classed as a Car i.e.old Group A
now after 2013 called Group B on your licence.

Not sure if this link helps https://www.gov.uk/old-driving-licence-categories

It was more the Short Wheel Base Commercials like Banshee's I was thinking of as they are brought and driven as a car with personal preference of looks and style of the driver or maybe wanting the extra security of panels instead of windows in the rear. However they may fall under a different speed limits as the could be actually classed as Vans not cars in the eyes of the law.

Thanks for the link though, interesting reading :thumb2

[Thomas61]

I've not got my truck with me today otherwise I'd check at lunch, I will have a looksie when I get home though

Cheers Banshee.:thumb2

[Banshee]

Right :freak3:

Could have sworn they were both the same when I did the Tax online but you know me :splif

LM04 CTZ - 2004 SWB 2.7TDi SE Commercial

https://image.ibb.co/dBBfsv/20170627_184352.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/cWzdea/20170627_183501.jpg

YS04 XSU - 2004 SWB 3.0DI SVE

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[Thomas61]

Banshee, where are you hiding that 3rd seat in your truck then :lol

[Banshee]

Banshee, where are you hiding that 3rd seat in your truck then :lol

:jesterbg :jesterbg :jesterbg

Never noticed that before

[DAN@ADRIAN FLUX]

Would there be any insurance issues if it is on a car policy as apposed to a Van policy. Although thinking they must know what they are insuring when you type in the reg.
More and more questions.
Hi,
If you need any help with insurance at ll then please feel free to drop me a line.
Regards,
Dan.

[Thomas61]

So that would be.

Max Gross Vehicle Weight. 2510kg
Max Gross Train Weight. 5310kg
Max Front Axle Load. 1160kg
Max Rear Axle Load. 1460kg

Sounds to me a Terrano SWB Commercial is classed as a van. What With the Max Gross Weight, Vehicle category and Body class.

So shall we talk Vehicle Down Plating and could it be relevant :augie :lol:lol

Anyone.....:nenau

[Banshee]

So that would be.

Max Gross Vehicle Weight. 2510kg
Max Gross Train Weight. 5310kg
Max Front Axle Load. 1160kg
Max Rear Axle Load. 1460kg

Sounds to me a Terrano SWB Commercial is classed as a van. What With the Max Gross Weight, Vehicle category and Body class.

So shall we talk Vehicle Down Plating and could it be relevant :augie [emoji38]lol

Anyone.....:nenau
I don't understand because the 3 litre is stamped higher!!!!

Here come the 3 litre bullies...... lol

[Thomas61]

I don't understand because the 3 litre is stamped higher!!!!

Here come the 3 litre bullies...... lol

Maybe a power thing I guess.

Here is a link mentioning Down-Plating a vehicles Maximum Allowed Weight that for some reason did not show on my last post.

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-weights-explained

[Blocky10]

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Must be the auto that does it. Co2 level takes it into the higher tax bracket

[Banshee]

http://i1348.photobucket.com/albums/p740/Blocky10/20170627_220259_zpsf88anyct.jpg (http://s1348.photobucket.com/user/Blocky10/media/20170627_220259_zpsf88anyct.jpg.html)

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Must be the auto that does it. Co2 level takes it into the higher tax bracket
We're on about speed limits ain't we? Lmfao!!!

[Blocky10]

I dunno...:splif

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[Banshee]

Wow I've also just realised that my SWB 3 litre Manual can legally tow a tonne more than the auto :O

Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk

[Blocky10]

Thats right. I heard they had trouble with the autos towing the same weight as the manuals so instead of improving the auto box they down rated them :jerkit:

[Banshee]

Thats right. I heard they had trouble with the autos towing the same weight as the manuals so instead of improving the auto box they down rated them :jerkit:
Probably Nissan being over cautious and saving their skin so as not to have to foot the cost when they all came back in

[terranosaurusdoug]

So that would be.

Max Gross Vehicle Weight. 2510kg
Max Gross Train Weight. 5310kg
Max Front Axle Load. 1160kg
Max Rear Axle Load. 1460kg

Sounds to me a Terrano SWB Commercial is classed as a van. What With the Max Gross Weight, Vehicle category and Body class.

So shall we talk Vehicle Down Plating and could it be relevant :augie :lol:lol

Anyone.....:nenau

Well it is definitely a light goods vehicle according to the log book, which means the lower speed limits apply!

Don't worry Zac, we'll give you a head start :thumbs

[Banshee]

Well it is definitely a light goods vehicle according to the log book, which means the lower speed limits apply!

Don't worry Zac, we'll give you a head start :thumbs
Pah!!!! This is what I call a non-issue

[Blocky10]

Well it is definitely a light goods vehicle according to the log book, which means the lower speed limits apply!

Don't worry Zac, we'll give you a head start :thumbs

Or swap the plates over:hide:

[terranosaurusdoug]

Or swap the plates over:hide:

Plates occifer?:duno::bobby: