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I no of a 2003 terrano Len with very low mileage and top spec model that I would be able to buy cheap however it's cheap as the chassis is twisted I no it's a lot of work to replace the chassis but I am reasonably competent and have access to a garage with ramps and tools but is it financially viable to do or will it just turn in to a money pit if any one has any advice or has experience of changing a chassis would be great to hear your opinions
Thanks in advance sorry if it's posted in the wrong place
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If the chassis is twisted you can bet you're life that there will be other stuff wrong with it too, then don't forget it will have to go of to VOSA to have another ticket stuck on it and be approved as road legal!!!
I guess it depends if it's a torsional twist, in which case, so the body is twisted.
If the chassis has been impacted such that it is no longer rectangular, again so is body.
So I guess first of all, depends if it's only a few mm, :augie or several cms.:eek:
I wouldn't want my family to be driving the finished product, or a passenger in a repaired vehicle like this.
Edit:- Sorry, excuse my manners, welcome to the forum, as this is your first post.
jims-terrano
04-11-2015, 18:10
Welcome to the forum.
Sorry but only buy it for spares to fit to another vehicle.
If the chassis is twisted then the body must be shot too. There will be some nice bits to remove may be but be careful what to use again.
Ok thanks for the info the twist in the chassis was caused due to some bad welding that was done at a back street garage door if am honest I wasn't expecting it to be much use other than for parts
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Ok thanks for the info the twist in the chassis was caused due to some bad welding that was done at a back street garage door if am honest I wasn't expecting it to be much use other than for parts
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Get some pictures up of the car and the damage :thumb2
makeitfit
05-11-2015, 10:29
How cheap is it ? What's the consequence of this bad welding / twist thing ?
It may be easier to correct the disney welding :nenau
I bent my chassis years ago after an over exuberant manouver :augie
In my case I just re-aligned stuff and put up with a kinky chassis :lol
It belongs to a close family member they have owned it since it was 3 years old and has been well looked after until the welding happened it has been sat unused for the last 2 years after finding out about the welding issue but has been started and moved regularly to stop things seizing up will get some pictures as soon as I can and try and find out some more details
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Got a few more details on the teranno it failed the MOT due to allignment issues had a replacement torsion bar that didn't help so was then advised that there was a twist in the chassis caused by some previous welding and that is how it was left I no the garage who inspected it and they don't have a very good reputation am going to pop over and have a look at it tomorrow and get some pictures
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Got a few more details on the teranno it failed the MOT due to allignment issues had a replacement torsion bar that didn't help so was then advised that there was a twist in the chassis caused by some previous welding and that is how it was left I no the garage who inspected it and they don't have a very good reputation am going to pop over and have a look at it tomorrow and get some pictures
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Sounds like a sensible option to me matey :)
You may be onto a winner here buddy, but just as equally this could be an utter money pit
solarman216
06-11-2015, 22:10
find it hard to understand how "welding" will cause a twisted chassis unless the chassis was in a really bad way rot wise and it was welded on the twist, but think that highly unlikely, but you never know, Rick
Yes does seem very odd and has been in the family since it was only a few years old and has never been a problem with MOT and has never been in an accident in that neither has it been used off road it a mainly just been used for trips to the shop and getting to and from work seems very odd that would be anything to reason why it has twisted other than the welding although from what I remember last time I saw it (a year or so before it was reported as having a twist) it was very clean and tidy and rust free underneath as well I remember as I did a service on it
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I would be glad if I only had to replace the chassis...
I would be glad if I only had to replace the chassis...
Very true, there are so many with rotten body's!!!!!
AlexD333
11-11-2015, 12:46
Unless a garage smashed it and repaired it on the quiet :rolleyes:
heard of it happening before!
Finally got round to having a look at the terrano yesterday seems as if it's not a twisted chassis as I was first told it's more of suspension geometry issue
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160201/52687696356e2d5ff693304f589de009.jpg
as picture shows wheel is been pulled inwards
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160201/9bf6d22d79a5a4d00bcd9030afbef576.jpg
The bracket connecting the wishbone to the chassis broke which was replaced by a dodgy garage who then for whatever reason have moved the connecting bracket on the chassis and shortened the long rod that runs down the body next few pictures will explain
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160201/1c0ba8d5f95d937fe8afcf2489715d64.jpg
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160201/45f3aac1f9325ba17b25fd040a842252.jpg
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160201/2efe077f866c777610c1d44ed0796027.jpg
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160201/ec1581e57cd986516d9a1613af559980.jpg
What am thinking is I know of a good welder/fabricater so if I can get him to get the bracket positioned exactly where it should and then replace the long rod will this cure the issue ?
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There is a lot of chassis information in the service manual, however as you are not yet a member, that will not be available to you.
If you are aiming to keep the vehicle, then I suggest you pay your £10 as many recent newly paid members might confirm, as other information is available to you, in order to keep these normally great trucks on tbe road, for as long as possible, and at the lowest cost of repair:thumb2
A way forward, might be a cut and shut for that part of the chassis, normally that part of the chassis is usually sound. There are plenty of scrappers on this forum that have become donors, but you will need someone who can weld to the correct standard.
What is the other side like?
It looks as though it has been in contact with sea water...:eek:
Best regards,
Rustic
The other side is aligned fine and it has lived on the coast from new if it was to be fixable I would completely smother it in underseal
If I was to have the chassis cut and shut as you say would it be safe and legal as I no of fabrication and welding company that could do the work just want for it to be safe afterwards
At the minute trying to decide weather the truck is worth saving if it is then I will definitely pay and join the forum
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Looking at the pictures it's looks like the torsion bar (the long rod)which is the spring for the front suspension has been welded one end so that definitely needs replacing.
They are prone for rotting around the lower compression rod mount on the chassis.
Again it's not a hard job to repair it correctly.
What is the cross member across the rear of the gearbox like?has this had a repair also,hard to tell in the pictures.
Yes the torsion bar is what they said they had cut down and welded up for whatever reason replacing that isn't particularly my main concern it's more the mounting point on the chassis that is of concern to me as to weather it is fixable
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Yes the torsion bar is what they said they had cut down and welded up for whatever reason replacing that isn't particularly my main concern it's more the mounting point on the chassis that is of concern to me as to weather it is fixable
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Torsion bars should be replaced in pairs and should not be 2nd hand ones from another truck, I'm sure someone on here at some point used a set from a scrap vehicle and one snapped in the middle :eek: :eek:
Get new ones :thumb2
Also what the hell is round the CV boot :nenau
OK any idea where to get new ones from had a quick look on Euro car parts and they don't list them are they a Nissan only part ?
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Yes the torsion bar is what they said they had cut down and welded up for whatever reason replacing that isn't particularly my main concern it's more the mounting point on the chassis that is of concern to me as to weather it is fixable
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Replacing that would be a major concern as it's basically your front spring. It's high tensile steel and trust me if one of these snaps while driving the front of the truck drops like a ton of bricks..I had an adjuster bolt snap on mine a couple of years ago, luckily I was just pulling out of works carpark but it went with a bang and left it unmovable.
Yes I understand it needs doing and would be done I meant I no that it is fixable/able to be replaced it's just the chassis connection that am unsure on weather is able to be fix
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emjaybee
01-02-2016, 13:30
Just my two-pence worth, but I honestly think that this kind of bodged repair has left this vehicle in a dangerous condition. I personally wouldn't travel in it and I wouldn't put anyone I cared about in it.
I know a lot of talented people on here may be able to bring it back from the brink, but I think you need to think long and hard about the consequences.
Yes the vehicle is off the road and has been for about a 2 years since the bodge was found I am just trying to find out if it is salvageable and just a scrapper
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I personally wouldn't like to fix that
Just structurally something you want to be sound, I've seen a video online of a dashcam that caught a 4x4 torsion bar snap in saudi and the car hit the wall and smashed over the bridge into another road below :eek:
jims-terrano
01-02-2016, 15:40
Only my opinion but from the condition that I've seen I think you maye be better breaking it for parts then selling the remainder for scrap. With the money made I reckon you could by a good Terrano instead.
Sorry don't want to cause upset.
If he does break I'm after some bits :thumbs
OK thanks for the advice at the end of the day I want the truck to be 100% safe if it was to go back on the road and if couldn't be made then breaking it to get another would be the next option was considering getting it to a good local garage and asking what there opinion would be.
Out of interest do these break well (is there a good demand for parts) I have broken a few cars in the past and found it difficult to shift parts due to not enough demand and to many people doing it. What sort of money could I expect for breaking it ?
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OK thanks for the advice at the end of the day I want the truck to be 100% safe if it was to go back on the road and if couldn't be made then breaking it to get another would be the next option was considering getting it to a good local garage and asking what there opinion would be.
Out of interest do these break well (is there a good demand for parts) I have broken a few cars in the past and found it difficult to shift parts due to not enough demand and to many people doing it. What sort of money could I expect for breaking it ?
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Wait and see!!!!
I'll give you a list now :lol :thumbs
jims-terrano
01-02-2016, 18:35
Well if ya do break I might be interested in wings, seats and may be more if prices are right.
That said Id rather a truck stay on the road if it can be made safe.
If you do break it, then you need an area to strip it down, but where the scrap man can take what's left. You don't want your front garden looking like Onslow's in "Keeping up appearances" .
Or you can cover it, set a target, and flog as much as you can.
The engine and gearbox need to come out, I'm sure someone on here will buy that. For pricing, look at ebay as the upper guide, but if you want a quick sale, then make the prices look a bargain to our members lol...
:thumb2
Thomas61
01-02-2016, 19:23
There is a lot of chassis information in the service manual, however as you are not yet a member, that will not be available to you.
If you are aiming to keep the vehicle, then I suggest you pay your £10 as many recent newly paid members might confirm, as other information is available to you, in order to keep these normally great trucks on tbe road, for as long as possible, and at the lowest cost of repair:thumb2
A way forward, might be a cut and shut for that part of the chassis, normally that part of the chassis is usually sound. There are plenty of scrappers on this forum that have become donors, but you will need someone who can weld to the correct standard.
Best regards,
Rustic
Agreed on the £10, not been here long but as a resource it is invaluable and the jokes aren't bad either �� plus it seems from reading further down the thread you can't really loose. If you keep the truck you will save that £10 over and over or if you break it you will make more than enough money from these good people to justify the £10
Good luck whatever your decision
I have been unfortunate enough to have had a crash in my mistral ( imported terrano ) the guy hit the back of me at over 40mph while I was stationary , his car was wrote off ( pug 308 ) but mine ended up with a twisted chassis ..... some may remember the insurance companies attempt to repair it :rolleyes: , anyway , after a proper inspection it was wrote off .... no way on this planet would I put my loved ones in a car with a twisted chassis ...... incidently the terrano chassis is a ladder chassis ...... your choice of course , but personally id just use it for spares .... sorry for the long post .
welcome and kind regards
pete :thumb2
Yes I have an area to strip it down and can store parts once removed if that is the case (used to do a bit of car breaking in the past but got fed up of time wasters) thanks for all the advice really appreciated
I am going to get the truck checked over by a specialist and see there verdict and go from there
How do I go about becoming a member of the forum as everyone is saying to get the extra information is this something I need to do via the computer if so will do it tomorrow night after work
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jims-terrano
01-02-2016, 23:35
When you look at the forum on a pc or even a tablet (i can see on my ipad browser). Look at this thread and you'll see your username at the side of your post, you'll see a red and black logo. Click on there and follow the instructions. Not sure if this will be displayed if you access via tapatalk app.
You are doing the right thing getting professional advice, good luck.
solarman216
02-02-2016, 00:13
Be aware that the value of a scrap motor today is £25 if you are lucky, the price of scrap has plummeted due to the cheap import of steel from China that has almost killed off our steel industry, in the not to distant future you may even have to pay to have your scrap steel taken away, Rick
Yes I have an area to strip it down and can store parts once removed if that is the case (used to do a bit of car breaking in the past but got fed up of time wasters) thanks for all the advice really appreciated
I am going to get the truck checked over by a specialist and see there verdict and go from there
How do I go about becoming a member of the forum as everyone is saying to get the extra information is this something I need to do via the computer if so will do it tomorrow night after work
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you need to join up and pay your £10 :thumb2
arcascomp
02-02-2016, 09:56
...and if you're looking for a safe one, mine's still available!
Ok no can't see it on the app will go on computer in a minute and sign up
Yes I am aware of the price of scrap been so low due to the cheap steel from China (I work in engineering)
Had a ring round a few places today and have been advised it needs to go to a bodyshop to be put on a alignment jig and checked that way however am struggling to find a place local with a jig able to do it
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jims-terrano
02-02-2016, 19:38
Welcome aboard by the way.
Yeah should imagine you'll need some kind of commercial specialist maybe to get a jig bog enough to cope with a terrano.
Thomas61
02-02-2016, 21:03
Hi
Not sure quite where you are in Lincolnshire but is this the sort of company you were thinking of? They are in Wisbeck Cambridgeshire but may be good for advice at least
http://www.chassisalignment.co.uk/index.htm
Thanks am based in Lincoln however the truck is currently in scunthorpe so been trying to find somewhere local to it I will bear that one in mind though if I get really stuck thanks
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Just a quick thought if I was to get the truck to a MOT station and ask them to put it through a test will this give me all the details I need of what the issues are or atleast point me in the right direction
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emjaybee
03-02-2016, 16:37
Just a quick thought if I was to get the truck to a MOT station and ask them to put it through a test will this give me all the details I need of what the issues are or atleast point me in the right direction
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They will, however, if they think it is dangerous, they can also refuse to let you drive it away.
So you would then have to trailer it home.
:nenau
They will, however, if they think it is dangerous, they can also refuse to let you drive it away.
So you would then have to trailer it home.
:nenau
Last MOT tester I know that did that by me got a black eye and all the windows of the cars for sale on his forecourt smashed in as well a few weeks later :doh
Ok well the mot station I was thinking of is literally opposite the end of my road and a 2 minute walk and they have always been reasonable with me taking failed vehicles away as they normally need the space
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Ok well the mot station I was thinking of is literally opposite the end of my road and a 2 minute walk and they have always been reasonable with me taking failed vehicles away as they normally need the space
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Depends how badly failed it was, if it's in danger of dropping in half on the way home they have a legal duty :bobby:
Ok just been quoted £75 to have a recovery truck fetch from its current location to the test station so will get hold of the test station in the morning and see if I can get it booked in for a test
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just scrap the thing, break it and get a truck that isn't risking anyones life..
4 pages of this???
just scrap the thing, break it and get a truck that isn't risking anyones life..
4 pages of this???
A tad unfair, if he's got it for the bargain basement price I think he's likely to have gotten it for then I'd have done exactly the same and come here for advice.
If it could be repaired by replacing or re fabricating parts and therefore saving another Terrano then fair play to him and I wish him the best of luck.
You could argue Elty's was a danger to life and he'd probably agree but look at the top quality workmanship and the hours of fabrication he has done to it, I'd say it's probably as safe now as when it left the factory.
That could have been one more confined to the breakers yards when we have the guys here with the knowledge and know how to get it straight again.
Roll on page 5............... :thumbs
emjaybee
13-02-2016, 16:41
I'm all for a challenge, but this has bad news written all over it. If you're not prepared to drive your wife/girlfriend/mother in it then scrap it.
Any vehicle that has had such a basterdised repair job is likely to have other safety issues.
How would any of us feel if he was driving it down the road, there was a failure of suspension/chassis and some innocent pedestrian got killed in the aftermath?
If you can live with that then have a go...
...if you can't then...
I don't like to be unsupportive of peoples efforts, but on this occasion trying to repair something of this magnitude is sheer folly.
Sorry.
:end_of_discction:
A tad unfair, if he's got it for the bargain basement price I think he's likely to have gotten it for then I'd have done exactly the same and come here for advice.
If it could be repaired by replacing or re fabricating parts and therefore saving another Terrano then fair play to him and I wish him the best of luck.
You could argue Elty's was a danger to life and he'd probably agree but look at the top quality workmanship and the hours of fabrication he has done to it, I'd say it's probably as safe now as when it left the factory.
That could have been one more confined to the breakers yards when we have the guys here with the knowledge and know how to get it straight again.
Roll on page 5............... :thumbs
I totally agree with what you have said, however this truck needs extensive repairs to be done and possibly the chassis jigged.. Looking at the rust underneath it needs a damn good look over.. Now from what i have read it doesnt appear that samki is able to to the work himself ( i may be wrong ) but if not then this work is going to cost big and way beyond the value of the truck and thats without finding all the other problems that havent been found yet it will be a money pit. If an owner cuts corners by welding a torsion bar in place then who knows what else could break at the most inapropriate time taking someones life.. I am all for saving money and repairing stuff, ive done it all my life .... Buying a project is all good if you know what you are going to do and have a plan.. Buying a project vehicle and wont pay £10 to join the site makes me think the truck will be a budget build at best... No direspect intended in anyway...
I totally agree with what you have said, however this truck needs extensive repairs to be done and possibly the chassis jigged.. Looking at the rust underneath it needs a damn good look over.. Now from what i have read it doesnt appear that samki is able to to the work himself ( i may be wrong ) but if not then this work is going to cost big and way beyond the value of the truck and thats without finding all the other problems that havent been found yet it will be a money pit. If an owner cuts corners by welding a torsion bar in place then who knows what else could break at the most inapropriate time taking someones life.. I am all for saving money and repairing stuff, ive done it all my life .... Buying a project is all good if you know what you are going to do and have a plan.. Buying a project vehicle and wont pay £10 to join the site makes me think the truck will be a budget build at best... No direspect intended in anyway...
Now you're winning me over with your viewpoint
Does look like the rot is going to be terminal to be honest :(
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From what I can make out he was putting it through the mot to get an idea of the scale of the work needed to put it right then decide from there what to do.
The rust on the underside does look fairly extensive in the pictures and I would be checking the chassis with a fine tooth comb if it was mine.
Just jumping on the post and slating him for seeking advice is hardly fair.
jims-terrano
14-02-2016, 09:24
Sorry guys I don't want to cause offence but how's the poor bloke going to feel about his thread.
He seemed very reasonable and has concidered the condition carefully which I think is why after seeking advice he has taken it to his closest mot station.
Sami12 hope to see you back soon with an update.
Fife-bloke
14-02-2016, 09:48
OK thanks for the advice at the end of the day I want the truck to be 100% safe if it was to go back on the road and if couldn't be made then breaking it to get another would be the next option was considering getting it to a good local garage and asking what there opinion would be.
Out of interest do these break well (is there a good demand for parts) I have broken a few cars in the past and found it difficult to shift parts due to not enough demand and to many people doing it. What sort of money could I expect for breaking it ?
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That particular model has a sought after front bumper, headlight units and the alloys will be worth a bit as well depending in condition of course. Also if the interior is rip and mark free that also may well sell quickly. Common colour as well so if the panels and door etc are fine then get it stripped.
To be honest all my first post meant was 4 pages and we are still talking about the same thing and nothing has moved on or been achieved.... Im out of this thread now as i dont wish to cause any offence and good luck with the project..
The truck will be going to a specialist next week to get a decision on what is the best action to take I understand it could break quite well and I have the facilities to break and storage for all the parts however as many of you should be aware there are getting less and less of these trucks available so if I can help keep one on the road safety and without breaking the bank then I will if it's not possible then I will break it for parts then most probably get either another terrano or a navrara with a knackered engine and swap the engine from this one
As for been able to do the work I can tackle most of it however although I can weld and would perfectly happy welding the body (floors, sills, arches, etc) I would leave the chassis to a specialist welder
As for the condition of the chassis of the truck I have given it a good look over a poke and it is reasonably solid just a lot of surface rusted which would be treated and coated in underwear if it was to return to the road sorry late reply I have been very busy at work
Shall update next week when it has been inspected
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As for the torsion bar weld that was a dodgy back street garage that did that after the truck had broke basically outside and that was the nearest place it was taken off the road straight away after all other repairs and mots service have been carried out at Nissan main dealer and recipes available for everything
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jims-terrano
14-02-2016, 11:41
Best of luck Sami12, keep us updated :thumbs
Terrano Steve
14-02-2016, 21:45
Best of luck with it I believe any thing can be repaired or re built to as good as new or sometimes better than new standard just not always cost effective.
Just get advice from someone who is specialized in chassis work.
Not updated in a while nothing has really changed with this terrano due to issues getting it moved and no where willing to look at it
However I have since bought this http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160531/5c9dab79e108db4be9fa415576af46f9.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160531/68c1a9408274867d467fd51e1cb7f535.jpg
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terranosaurusdoug
31-05-2016, 21:52
Nice one, what engine is in it?
Thomas61
31-05-2016, 21:55
Not updated in a while nothing has really changed with this terrano due to issues getting it moved and no where willing to look at it
However I have since bought this http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160531/5c9dab79e108db4be9fa415576af46f9.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160531/68c1a9408274867d467fd51e1cb7f535.jpg
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Good to see you back, thought we might of lost you ☹
Pleased to see you did not turn your back on Terrano's :thumb2 looks like a nice truck.
It's a 2.7 same as the other truck which I will probably now use as a spares truck
Seems reasonably tidy its spent the last 8 years towing a horse box to shows so only been doing around 3000-4000 miles a year
Needs a few bits doing mainly cosmetic
Main issues though are it is has a fuel leak from a quick look just looks like a leaky pipe also has a brake fluid leak again looks like it could be a pipe
Seems to drive nice though with the exception of the issues above
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terranosaurusdoug
31-05-2016, 22:13
It's a 2.7 same as the other truck which I will probably now use as a spares truck
Seems reasonably tidy its spent the last 8 years towing a horse box to shows so only been doing around 3000-4000 miles a year
Needs a few bits doing mainly cosmetic
Main issues though are it is has a fuel leak from a quick look just looks like a leaky pipe also has a brake fluid leak again looks like it could be a pipe
Seems to drive nice though with the exception of the issues above
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From what I gather fuel and brake lines are quite common to go on these, lots of threads on here and a guide on fuel line replacement in the download section. Good luck with it mate :thumb2 and before you undo any nuts or bolts drown them in wd40 etc for a couple of days :lol
jims-terrano
31-05-2016, 22:24
Nice one, looks good. Wise decision to use the other as a donor truck.
If it's fuel leak above rear axle then best fix is replace front to back both fuel pipes. You'll also find engine will run smoother too. As siad loads of threads and a download about this job.
Yes seems to be leaking onto the side step near the rear axle what size fuel hose do I need ?
Also noticed a bit of vibration through the steering wheel after about 40/50 mph
Very clean underneath though in comparison to the other truck still has paint on the chasis to start with and doesn't seem to be any rust on the body either
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Thomas61
31-05-2016, 22:44
Might be worth starting a new thread in the Terrano/Maverick section for these issues. There is a awful lot of pervious pages to go through and will make it easier for people to navigate and help.
Sounds like a solid truck as well. How are the wings?
Wings seem good except it has had the bonnet badly resprsyed at some point and they have got over spray on both wings and the grill
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Are you breaking a silver one?
If so I need the 2 plastic colour coded trims for passengers and drivers side :thumb2
How much?
Thomas61
31-05-2016, 23:05
Wings seem good except it has had the bonnet badly resprsyed at some point and they have got over spray on both wings and the grill
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At least they are solid with no rust, always a winner it seems with Terrano's.
I have mine to sort out at some point, my limited skills stretch as far as replacing though not repairing :)
jims-terrano
31-05-2016, 23:19
Have a search around there are several threads regarding fuel lines along with sizes and suppliers.
As for your vibration, I had a similar on my 05 plate which turned out to be front propshaft. Bigbunny removed the propshaft which got rid of the vibration. There was a small amount of play in the sliding joint so had to replace the shaft. Of course other things can cause vibration such as wheel balance.
Thomas61
31-05-2016, 23:36
Might be worth starting a new thread in the Terrano/Maverick section for these issues. There is a awful lot of pervious pages to go through and will make it easier for people to navigate and help.
Sounds like a solid truck as well. How are the wings?
Apologies not as many pages as i thought. Brain fading fast tonight !!!:)
Are you breaking a silver one?
If so I need the 2 plastic colour coded trims for passengers and drivers side :thumb2
How much?
Unfortunately the other terrano doesn't have the colour coded bits on am afraid
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New thread started for the new truck
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New thread started for the new truck
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Where is it? :neunau
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http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26996
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The truck with the chasis allignment issues will be up for sale soon would recommend it's just used for parts anyone on here interested and what's a realistic price
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