View Full Version : In England since 5th Oct we have to pay 5p per carrier bag
We recycle our old carrier bags, they get used as pedal bin liners, so now we will have to buy suitable new pedal bin liners.
So looking at the pedal bin liners, it looks like they are around 4.5p a bag...
Logic says... forget about remembering to take old carrier bags, that might fail on their third outing, and just pay 5p for the extra carrier bags.:nenau
Unless someone can find a source of cheap pedal bin liners lol....:augie
jims-terrano
10-10-2015, 19:46
Pete and the rest of them in wales have had to pay for them for a while now. Some poor sole tried to get me to pay for one in Tescos on Anglesey two years ago. I carried what would fit in my pockets:lol
solarman216
10-10-2015, 19:53
can someone please explain to me how 5p per bag is going to stop bags getting into the sea and strangling turtles etc, looks like another crap government idea to extract money from all, Rick
don simon
10-10-2015, 20:25
In answer to the first question, it's not about the cost of the bag. It's about the cost of the bag to the environment.
Secondly, the cost of the 4,5p bag goes straight back into the company that sold you the bag, the 5p charge goes to charity, and by god this country needs charitable donations.
Thirdly, there was a dramatic reduction and change of mind set in, the mighty, Wales http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/04/plastic-bag-use-down-70-wales-since-charges-began.
It's not hard getting and taking a bag to the supermarket, or using a box at Lidl/Aldi (they have pleny around the store).
My concern is what damage the bag for life does to the environment.
johnb5177
10-10-2015, 21:25
I'm concerned that I read that the retailers are not obliged to pass on the money to charities, so they could just keep it and contribute to profit......:nenau
...
My concern is what damage the bag for life does to the environment.
A friend of mine bought one of those "Bags for Life" just before it ripped open.... it slashed his wrist....:eek: :lol:lol:lol:lol
We have a few of those blue Tesco bags, I fitted them with a ply or MDF bottom, and they are used for the groceries, packing clothes to go away to say travel lodges or our daughters, used for boating items, those bags are generally rectangular, and with a firm base, can hold a lot of stuff.
I think it's a great idea. I currently have £3459.65 in assets in the cupboard underneath my kitchen sink :D
makeitfit
10-10-2015, 22:51
I've never paid 5p for a plastic bag as far as I can remember.
Neither do I use a plastic liner in my bin. Why would you need one ? There should be nothing in there to make the plastic bin dirty :nenau
We recycle virtually everthing. The only mucky stuff is a bit of food waste and that goes in the compost bin. Again no liner :nenau
I guess it's all to do with changing the attitudes of feckwits who think it's fine to lob out their bloody MacDonalds wrappers etc as soon as they've carbed up :doh
We have bins on the beach that twat grockles still can't work out what they're fookin' for :(
Ah well , every little helps ;)
rant over.
solarman216
10-10-2015, 23:23
In answer to the first question, it's not about the cost of the bag. It's about the cost of the bag to the environment.
Secondly, the cost of the 4,5p bag goes straight back into the company that sold you the bag, the 5p charge goes to charity, and by god this country needs charitable donations.
Thirdly, there was a dramatic reduction and change of mind set in, the mighty, Wales http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/04/plastic-bag-use-down-70-wales-since-charges-began.
It's not hard getting and taking a bag to the supermarket, or using a box at Lidl/Aldi (they have pleny around the store).
My concern is what damage the bag for life does to the environment.
I do not believe for one minute that any of it goes to charity, you are being conned, Rick
don simon
11-10-2015, 00:01
I do not believe for one minute that any of it goes to charity, you are being conned, Rick
That's a tad cynical Rick, I suppose the best policy is to buy a bag for life, I currently use an IKEA blue bag. Far fewer of them in the oceans than plastic bags.
harlowmaverick
11-10-2015, 07:34
I don't buy plastic bags, I have a free source of them!
The wife pays for the shopping and bring these bags home with her!!!
Take a leaf outta my book lads, send her indoors shopping on her own:thumbs
I do not believe for one minute that any of it goes to charity, you are being conned, Rick
If we happen to find ourselves buying a bag, then it's worth asking them which charity the money is going to, if they don't know, then get them to ask a supervisor, after all, it's your money.:augie
We give a lot to charity in one form or another, and it's our choice where the money goes, but if some places give money to charities that just line pockets of fat cats then we would think again.
Rustic
jims-terrano
11-10-2015, 08:12
Got to say this forum has excelled it's self again, some great views and comments. Like Pete I recycle as much as I can but have to admit I do think a bin liner is essential as the bin does get mucky if noy yucky with some of the waste. Is the key there waste? Are we wasting the wrong things perhaps. Makes you think doesn't it.
To be honest doubt a supermarket could or would tell you what charity any money goes to but like others I think it'll go into their coffers so they can pay the "living wage" not!
I also think the worst people for wasting things will still paf for ten or so carrier bags each weekly shop. After all people don't seem to value money these days. Proof if needed walk past your local shops and see how many coppers and 5p coins are just discarded on the pavement.
Personally I think as time goes by people will accept they pay 5p for a bag and not think about it. Then the waste continues.
Pete totally agree why can't some people use bins, upsets me when I see rubbish dumped anywhere.
emjaybee
11-10-2015, 09:10
Pete totally agree why can't some people use bins, upsets me when I see rubbish dumped anywhere.
We live on a road that is a Big Mac and fries away from the McDonald's in Banbury.
:jerkit:
Here's an odd one... on Tuesday this week is our bin day, we were a bit late bringing the bin up the drive, but when I did, I always look inside to check that they had emptied it fully...
:eek::eek: There was a McDonalds takeaway bag in there, and an empty carlsberg lager can:eek::eek:
not leftover from our litter I can assure you. I guess it could have been worse, there could have been a Land Rover magazine in there too.:lol
I can only guess that one of our locals in the village, on their daily walk had found it and placed it in our bin as they passed. Quite a lot of people in the village do this.
If so, well done.:clap:clap
Another piece of litter kept off our street.
My daughter does this too whilst out with the push chair.
Maybe we should all take this attitude.:thumb2
I always use the self service tills until now, they have taken the bags away and you have to ask someone for them and guess what no one around to ask or it takes them ages to go and get one so I may aswell que... That's progress for ya.
My wife is anal about not paying for bags but I don't care it's only 5 or 10p unless it's a planed shopping trip then we take bags.
macabethiel
11-10-2015, 10:28
If we happen to find ourselves buying a bag, then it's worth asking them which charity the money is going to, if they don't know, then get them to ask a supervisor, after all, it's your money.:augie
Rustic
Hope I am not behind you in the queue when you ask ! lol
macabethiel
11-10-2015, 10:32
We go shopping with at least 20 bags in the back of the Jeep some made of plastic some woven fabric etc.
We get to the checkout and realise we are in my car with no bags so we buy some more.
Paultrol
11-10-2015, 12:01
Hope I am not behind you in the queue when you ask ! lol
I thought the same :thumbs
Why pay 5p for a bag, you get the whole trolley for a £1 at Aldi.:naughty
:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lolI thought the same :thumbs
Why pay 5p for a bag, you get the whole trolley for a £1 at Aldi.:naughty
That's what we do.just re pack the trolley,wheel it out to car and load the boot.
Job done:thumb2
Leaving the trolley behind though
johnb5177
11-10-2015, 13:27
That's what we do.just re pack the trolley,wheel it out to car and load the boot.
Job done:thumb2
Always have bags in the cars, and do just this, do not buy the thin checkout bags.
I think I would like to see a very large, plainly written notice at the entrance and a slightly smaller one at the checkout of all stores charging for these bags, as to exactly what charities will directly benefit from this 5p charge. I don't think it's too much to ask. If they will not or cannot, then they should expect to be criticized and questioned heavily and publically.......:nenau
When Safeway ( now Morrisons) had the Green boxes, you bought say half a dozen green boxes, load then into a special trolley, take a bar code scanner, scan hopefully ALL the goods you put in the green boxes, and pay on the way out.
You put what you needed in each box, one for the freezer, one for the fridge, one for the bathroom, one for the tins cupboard, one for the wine cellar.
When you got home the right things in the right room, and you've only handled them once.
Brilliant..:thumb2
However... they soon stopped that as some high priced goods accidentally were placed into the trolley, by persons unknown, or the quantity was wrong, so they were relying on technology, and people being honest. :doh
We still have the green boxes... power tools in three, stuff for boat in two, others in shed with plumbing bits in, several in the loft with electrical plugs, sockets etc.Very tough boxes that stack, and if I recall, only a pound at the time.
What they should have done, is weigh the full trolley, allowing for how many green boxes are on board... easy.
Rustic
makeitfit
11-10-2015, 20:29
The 5p charge does not have to be given to charity at all.There's no legislation for that. However the company concerned does have to show in their annual returns what happened to those 5p charges. Most companies do donate to charity but not all :/
Waste in bins , why? Shouldn't be any waste ;)
Recycling stuff is all clean.
The only mucky stuff we have is a bit of food waste before it goes out to the compost. No need for bags there either. We use old cereal boxes or just the food waste bucket. If it's the cereal packet then the food and that go in the compost, simples ;)
macabethiel
12-10-2015, 08:38
Waste in bins , why? Shouldn't be any waste ;)
Recycling stuff is all clean.
The only mucky stuff we have is a bit of food waste before it goes out to the compost. No need for bags there either. We use old cereal boxes or just the food waste bucket. If it's the cereal packet then the food and that go in the compost, simples ;)
I do not generate any real compost as I have no lawn and most of the garden is slabbed or pond etc. Hard to recycle Polystyrene packing etc.
My garden flowers are in plant pots and a composter would take up more space than my 3 jocking wheelie bins !
Luckily for food stuffs we have a waste disposal unit in the sink that is great except when we manage to block it up by abusing it. lol
Terrano Steve
12-10-2015, 09:34
I think the idea is that if we are made aware that we are paying for a bag that we won't use as many but lets face it we were paying for the bag before built in to the cost of the groceries. Now we are just paying twice.
As for being conned by super markets it's something that they are certainly good at.
makeitfit
12-10-2015, 11:09
I do not generate any real compost as I have no lawn and most of the garden is slabbed or pond etc. Hard to recycle Polystyrene packing etc.
My garden flowers are in plant pots and a composter would take up more space than my 3 jocking wheelie bins !
Luckily for food stuffs we have a waste disposal unit in the sink that is great except when we manage to block it up by abusing it. lol
It certainly does take space that's for sure :o
Polystyrene is indeed a challenge ! I'm lucky here as I have a friend who supplies domestic appliances. They create mountains of the stuff. So he's invested in a polystyrene shredder . It's awesome (and expensive, but cheaper in the long run than tipping fees). I now have a bean bag project using old sails and recycled p/s filler (not fire rated but then it's on the beach ;) )
I fit kitchens for my income and detest waste disposers . I know they're great for you but then they also perpetuate the whole insular attitude we have for recycling in general. They also bung up your drain pipes eeuuuuw :o
The real point ofcourse is that we ARE discussing environment et all thanks to England at last doing the 5p thing.
Any road up, do what you can and complain about the rest :D
Peace and light :cool:
I've never paid 5p for a plastic bag as far as I can remember.
Neither do I use a plastic liner in my bin. Why would you need one ? There should be nothing in there to make the plastic bin dirty :nenau
We recycle virtually everthing. The only mucky stuff is a bit of food waste and that goes in the compost bin. Again no liner :nenau
I guess it's all to do with changing the attitudes of feckwits who think it's fine to lob out their bloody MacDonalds wrappers etc as soon as they've carbed up :doh
We have bins on the beach that twat grockles still can't work out what they're fookin' for :(
Exactly, Stop moaning england! :lol
Lazy-Ferret
12-10-2015, 15:57
Having spent a bit of time in Wales on and off, we had already got into the habit of having our own bags, so carried on when at home.
I am glad we have followed Wales as this makes the cashier think. The number of times we have had stuff put in bags before we could stop them, often when we are even holding the bag ready to use.
The lady in Pets at Home yesterday said she had sold 2 bags, where as they normally go through 200 plus a day.
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I do not generate any real compost as I have no lawn and most of the garden is slabbed or pond etc. Hard to recycle Polystyrene packing etc.
My garden flowers are in plant pots and a composter would take up more space than my 3 jocking wheelie bins !
Luckily for food stuffs we have a waste disposal unit in the sink that is great except when we manage to block it up by abusing it. lol
Ceredigion council take and recycle polystyrene and they away the compost material including meat and bones etc.
emjaybee
14-10-2015, 13:05
Interesting stuff, I see on the news today that a Tesco store had 1/3 of it's baskets nicked in a week because people wouldn't pay for bags. It has now put security tags on it's remaining baskets. Another story was of another (unnamed ) supermarket putting security tags on its CARRIER bags for the same reason.
:lol
I myself have just yesterday been online and ordered 200 supermarket style bags as we can find no other suitable bags for clearing out our two cat litter trays on a daily basis. If anyone has any ideas on THAT problem then I'm all ears.
:confused:
Lazy-Ferret
14-10-2015, 13:22
Interesting stuff, I see on the news today that a Tesco store had 1/3 of it's baskets nicked in a week because people wouldn't pay for bags. It has now put security tags on it's remaining baskets. Another story was of another (unnamed ) supermarket putting security tags on its CARRIER bags for the same reason.
:lol
I myself have just yesterday been online and ordered 200 supermarket style bags as we can find no other suitable bags for clearing out our two cat litter trays on a daily basis. If anyone has any ideas on THAT problem then I'm all ears.
:confused:
The Unnamed super market was named on Twitter... It was Tesco... :doh
We have the same problem with the ferret waste in the Caravan, so buy the coloured scented peddle bin liners from the boot fair/poundshop. There are 2 sizes, the larger one, which gets you 20 for your pound, or the smaller ones which get you 40, but the 40's are not big enough to get the litter tray into the mouth of them, so are too much of a pain to use, but to be fair are about the size of a carrier bag, so might be OK for you.
Only thing you do have to do, is when you shake them out, to open them up, seal the neck with your hand, and give it a gentle squeeze to make sure there are no holes in them, as on the odd occasion as you rip them apart, the bottom seal gets ripped as well, which results in a shoe full of Ferret poo... Luuuvvvlllyyyyy If it does rip, I just tie a knot in the bottom, which leaves it still big enough for our needs.
At home, we have an old bin out in their court, with a normal black dustbin sack in, and pour the waste straight from the litter trays into the binbag, then just stick it out for the dustmen. We do have to be careful not to over fill it though.
don simon
14-10-2015, 14:03
There are 2 sizes, the larger one, which gets you 20 for your pound,
Or 5p per bag. :confused: :doh
Does the local authority provide you with the biodegradable food bags? Wouldn't they do the job & be free.
I'm loving the ingenuity people have at giving it to the man by avoiding to pay 5p per. Dudes, the objective is that you don't use the supermarket bags.... :D
Lazy-Ferret
14-10-2015, 14:36
Or 5p per bag. :confused: :doh
Does the local authority provide you with the biodegradable food bags? Wouldn't they do the job & be free.
I'm loving the ingenuity people have at giving it to the man by avoiding to pay 5p per. Dudes, the objective is that you don't use the supermarket bags.... :D
:lol:lol
But some of us were re-useing them for other purposes, not the same as just getting your shopping home and then binning them... Like you say, we could just carry on buying the bags though.
Our council are very bad, we have to pay for garden rubbish, which includes decompostable to be taken, and they won't take animal waste in that.
They don't take a lot of plastics, like Crisp packets, foil coated, any plastic that is basically makes a crinkle noise, waxed card, polystyrene, glass... The list goes on and on. We can take some of it to the amenity tip, but they don't let vehicles over 6" high in, and you are not allowed to park up and just walk in, so my T2 wont fit.
don simon
14-10-2015, 14:41
:lol:lol
But some of us were re-useing them for other purposes, not the same as just getting your shopping home and then binning them... Like you say, we could just carry on buying the bags though.
Our council are very bad, we have to pay for garden rubbish, which includes decompostable to be taken, and they won't take animal waste in that.
They don't take a lot of plastics, like Crisp packets, foil coated, any plastic that is basically makes a crinkle noise, waxed card, polystyrene, glass... The list goes on and on. We can take some of it to the amenity tip, but they don't let vehicles over 6" high in, and you are not allowed to park up and just walk in, so my T2 wont fit.
I find this incredible and now understand why so much fly tipping goes on. Last week I passed what was left of someone's bathroom in a local layby. Who clears that mess up? And probably more important, who pays?
johnb5177
14-10-2015, 16:37
I find this incredible and now understand why so much fly tipping goes on. Last week I passed what was left of someone's bathroom in a local layby. Who clears that mess up? And probably more important, who pays?
You do, through your local taxes (Community charge)......:nenau
emjaybee
14-10-2015, 16:45
Or 5p per bag. :confused: :doh
Does the local authority provide you with the biodegradable food bags? Wouldn't they do the job & be free.
I'm loving the ingenuity people have at giving it to the man by avoiding to pay 5p per. Dudes, the objective is that you don't use the supermarket bags.... :D
We've never thrown out a supermarket bag that hasn't been used at least twice before, wrapping paint rollers, overshoes when nipping into customers houses, collecting recyclables, wrapping shoes for holiday packing, bin liners for my workshop bin/tack room bin/office bin, etc.
As for the cat litter, our tear-away white/tabby rescue kitten (now 2) insists on scratching to the bottom of the litter tray to pee, resulting in a lump of clumping litter the size of a soft-ball (I kid you not) welded to the bottom so you can't tip it out! Tried a deeper tray, he just digs deeper, his record so far...
...8 inches, I wanted to try deeper but the wife was worried it might cave in and bury the bugger!
:doh
I just looked on ebay and people are bidding on used Tesco carrier bags and the price per bag is well over 5 p already :doh
What is all that about?
:nenau
emjaybee
14-10-2015, 19:30
I just looked on ebay and people are bidding on used Tesco carrier bags and the price per bag is well over 5 p already :doh
What is all that about?
:nenau
Maybe they think they will be collectors items in years to come!
:D
emjaybee
14-10-2015, 19:33
I find this incredible and now understand why so much fly tipping goes on. Last week I passed what was left of someone's bathroom in a local layby. Who clears that mess up? And probably more important, who pays?
Our local council is looking to reduce costs by closing down some of the local tips. You can't believe how thick they can be. My guess is that the amount of fly tipping will increase to the point that it costs them more than keeping the tips open.
:doh
Gotta love council mentality.
:thumbs
johnb5177
14-10-2015, 22:04
They don't have a brain cell to share between them, far too much short term thinking, too many chiefs for not enough Indians and incredible gold plated pensions for senior mismanagers......:doh
Rant over, sorry...
emjaybee
14-10-2015, 22:06
They don't have a brain cell to share between them, far too much short term thinking, too many chiefs for not enough Indians and incredible gold plated pensions for senior mismanagers......:doh
Rant over, sorry...
Rant away bloke, it's good for the soul !!!
:thumb2
solarman216
14-10-2015, 22:22
I do not think to much of the Yanks but to their credit they do seem to use paper bags without handles so you carry them from under, my Mrs takes her own bags for the weekly shop and I use used veg boxes when I am called to pick up on the way home, Rick
Blocky10
14-10-2015, 22:44
I seem to remember sainsbury had plastic box's with handles which you purchased and they had wheeled frames to hang them in when you shopped. Or was it a dream?
Ian
makeitfit
14-10-2015, 23:49
My wife has a revolutionary new food conveyance device , patent pending :D
http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv36/daudwpsyn/basket_zpswtvk7usu.jpg (http://s667.photobucket.com/user/daudwpsyn/media/basket_zpswtvk7usu.jpg.html)
Lazy-Ferret
15-10-2015, 10:29
My wife has a revolutionary new food conveyance device , patent pending :D
http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv36/daudwpsyn/basket_zpswtvk7usu.jpg (http://s667.photobucket.com/user/daudwpsyn/media/basket_zpswtvk7usu.jpg.html)
You can't patent that, it's just a high sided Sussex Trug....:lol
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