View Full Version : Ched Evans Saga whats our view ?
macabethiel
08-01-2015, 09:17
It seems everday that there is mention in the Media about the footballer and his return to the sport following his release from prison.
He was found guilty by a jury on the evidence presented to them yet he appears to have no contrition for his conduct. As his mate was found not guilty he appears to think he should also have been found not guilty.
Yes he is appealing and hopes he can get his conviction quashed but I think he is missing the point as to why people think he is not fit to return to football in the UK.
Evans is in denial about his behaviour towards his victim I think this is why there is so much public hate towards him. The conduct of some of his future family and friends does them little credit.
If he appologised to the victim by way of a public statement about his conduct on the night and offered to do the same in person to the victim (if she agreed). I for one could see his return to football in the UK.
Some Footballers seem to engage in shameful behaviour towards women with a complete lack of morality and this image is not good for what is a 'Family spectator sport'.
Any club in the UK that employs him with his current attitude are not sending out a very palpable message to the viewing public.
I would be interested to read what any of our members think.
I think its difficult, because we only know what the media presents to us. Based on what I have read, he is a rapist. Ok, he has done his "time", but I am not so sure he should go back into a high paid sport where his actions are well known to those watching - it sends out a very wrong message. Essentially, I feel that this whole thing has solidified the idea that footballers can do what the hell they want and pretty much get away with it (ok, do your time, but get back into your very highly paid job afterwards).
I think that if he had acknowledged his part in the alleged crime, apologised, did something more than time in jail to prove he is not a bad person and perhaps made a horrible mistake, if he grew BALLS and faced what he had done, then maybe seeing him back in the sport is ok. But acting like a petulant child who still cant admit he stole the sweets despite the wrapper in his pocket doesn't really wash with anyone.
that's my not well thought out opinion, and I am certainly prepared to be put straight on the matter because I don't know all the facts. I am not a huge fan of rapists, or the sort of people that think they can go around throwing their weight about and getting away with it - which is what Ched Evans did. So, I don't like him, and he should be relegated to supermarket work.
makeitfit
08-01-2015, 10:43
Hmmm, we've been debating the same saga at home .
I agree with some of the previous comments regarding his petulant attitude since his release. Personally I hope he does reconsider his attitude and grow up, but in private please.
I also feel it's the money grabbing football clubs that are making this worse.
It's not illegal to hire an ex con, and these clubs obviously don't care a toss for role models.
Can't be arsed with footie myself anyway and I'm glad some of the big club sponsors are getting out of his proposed club.
He's served half of his sentence in prison and is now out on licence . So in theory at least, he needs to be squeaky clean from now on to avoid a return visit to his cell.
I can't imagine what it's like to try and get a job with a criminal record these days but I'd guess pretty miserable. Other less public ex cons must be right pissed off.
In short I'm in favour of him getting a job, I don't like his attitude or the football clubs that have tried to hire him. I hope he grows up and more over so do the supporters of the club he signs for and don't go to watch him.
Right I'm off to remove this annoying fence out my arse :o
exosteve
08-01-2015, 11:19
Kin pervert doesn't deserve a job in the public eye.
Stick him sweeping roads or summat.
And no not a footie fan.in fact can't stand it.
Kin pervert doesn't deserve a job in the public eye.
Stick him sweeping roads or summat.
And no not a footie fan.in fact can't stand it.
:thumb2
Lazy-Ferret
08-01-2015, 13:28
I think its difficult, because we only know what the media presents to us. Based on what I have read, he is a rapist. Ok, he has done his "time", but I am not so sure he should go back into a high paid sport where his actions are well known to those watching - it sends out a very wrong message. Essentially, I feel that this whole thing has solidified the idea that footballers can do what the hell they want and pretty much get away with it (ok, do your time, but get back into your very highly paid job afterwards).
I think that if he had acknowledged his part in the alleged crime, apologised, did something more than time in jail to prove he is not a bad person and perhaps made a horrible mistake, if he grew BALLS and faced what he had done, then maybe seeing him back in the sport is ok. But acting like a petulant child who still cant admit he stole the sweets despite the wrapper in his pocket doesn't really wash with anyone.
that's my not well thought out opinion, and I am certainly prepared to be put straight on the matter because I don't know all the facts. I am not a huge fan of rapists, or the sort of people that think they can go around throwing their weight about and getting away with it - which is what Ched Evans did. So, I don't like him, and he should be relegated to supermarket work.
This is exactly how I feel, but just to add, no-one is saying he can't work, just that he can't work in a job where he can influence impressionable people. If he was a teacher, policeman, social worker.. etc, he would not be allowed to go back to those jobs either.. If I had done it, I would not even be able to do a lot of the Volunteer work, because I would fail police vetting, so it should be like for like for him. He has lost the privilege of being in a public facing over paid job, and now has to go back to working properly for a living like the rest of us.
Professional Footballers have lost their way, over the years, and as said, now think they can do anything, and are above the law. It is after all "Just" a sport, which should be classed as fun, not paid work, and I have always thought they are paid too much, for what is after all, just playing a simple game. So many of them make their fortune not only while they are in the game, but continue on afterwards, influencing people, so again, it is more important that they respect this position from the word go.
It's not like it was even a simple crime, Rape is a big issue, and you are brought up from a very young age that it is wrong, He may consider he has served his time, and want to put it behind him, carrying on as though nothing happened, but can the Poor Woman he did it too??
Kin pervert doesn't deserve a job in the public eye.
Stick him sweeping roads or summat.
And no not a footie fan.in fact can't stand it.
Ditto.:thumb2
Kin pervert doesn't deserve a job in the public eye.
Stick him sweeping roads or summat.
And no not a footie fan.in fact can't stand it.
Same here :thumb2
johnb5177
08-01-2015, 18:23
Same here :thumb2
+1 :thumb2
Not an honourable man, so arrogant.....:confused:
Lazy-Ferret
08-01-2015, 18:34
Well the good news is, they listened to us, and have decided not to sign him. Bet he leaves the country for a foreign team now.
Well the good news is, they listened to us, and have decided not to sign him. Bet he leaves the country for a foreign team now.
he cant do that as a registered sex offender
Kin pervert doesn't deserve a job in the public eye.
Stick him sweeping roads or summat.
And no not a footie fan.in fact can't stand it.
Same here.
Sweeping roads is too good,cleaning sewers with a toothbrush:thumb2
I'm guilty of not getting all the details so I'm reserving my judgement, but I saw on the BBC that the woman was deemed too drunk to give consent, she was 2.5x over the drink drive limit. I though the limit was 2 units? In which case she had 5 units in her system? I.e. 2.5pints?? Surely that can't be right?
:confused:
panelbeater
08-01-2015, 20:32
i believe while on his licence he cant leave but can when of off it even if he is on the regerstar.drink aside if she muttered no its no.also his jobs must be restricted in law on the regerster.
look at other country's cons coming here.
Drunk or sober,famous or not no means no in my book.
exosteve
08-01-2015, 22:11
Drunk or sober,famous or not no means no in my book.
Same here mate.
If a woman's too drunk any normal bloke wouldn't take advantage.
There's nothing wrong with sex.
Having sex every day.
Saving sex for your wedding night.
Never having sex.
Having sex with different people....
Having sex with one person.
Having sex with a person of your same gender.
Loving sex.
Hating sex.
Being loud.
Being quiet.
The only thing wrong with sex?
When it’s not consensual.
Because that’s not sex. That’s rape.
makeitfit
08-01-2015, 23:31
Just going to stick my head over the fence a minute.
I was once a young man. I was often pissed, stoned, high or tripping my socks off. At many a student party I may well have "slept" with girls way over 2.5 units of alcohol down their throats. Gone home sometimes from strange beds and houses :augie I don't "think" I was a rapist , but then I wasn't exactly there all the time :nenau
We only have the media's hand me downs on the actual events of this "rape".
I'm in no way defending him but just re-reading some comments on here I'm just saying we're not all angels.
As for Jed , he can't go abroad until he's off licence I think. He's done his time and now needs to get a job doing something that'll help him grow up and move on. Preferably not in public.
Carry on :splif
solarman216
08-01-2015, 23:41
Just going to stick my head over the fence a minute.
I was once a young man. I was often pissed, stoned, high or tripping my socks off. At many a student party I may well have "slept" with girls way over 2.5 units of alcohol down their throats. Gone home sometimes from strange beds and houses :augie I don't "think" I was a rapist , but then I wasn't exactly there all the time :nenau
We only have the media's hand me downs on the actual events of this "rape".
I'm in no way defending him but just re-reading some comments on here I'm just saying we're not all angels.
As for Jed , he can't go abroad until he's off licence I think. He's done his time and now needs to get a job doing something that'll help him grow up and move on. Preferably not in public.
Carry on :splif
were we not all, to my mind the thing that has riled people is his arrogant attitude that cos he is a footballer he can do no wrong, and that all women should want to sleep with him no matter what, couple that with his high profile job = a total arshole, rest my case, Rick
were we not all, to my mind the thing that has riled people is his arrogant attitude that cos he is a footballer he can do no wrong, and that all women should want to sleep with him no matter what, couple that with his high profile job = a total arshole, rest my case, Rick
Took the words out of my mouth :thumb2
I work with a semi pro footballer and he thinks he is God's gift to women.
Arrogant and full of himself.
Can't walk past a mirror without checking himself.
Don't think he will last long at our place as he has a talent for getting people's back up.
we all have heard the media about this ....... so to balance things up heres ched evans website below ......... it makes some very interesting points .
http://www.chedevans.com/
macabethiel
09-01-2015, 11:20
I'm guilty of not getting all the details so I'm reserving my judgement, but I saw on the BBC that the woman was deemed too drunk to give consent, she was 2.5x over the drink drive limit. I though the limit was 2 units? In which case she had 5 units in her system? I.e. 2.5pints?? Surely that can't be right?
:confused:
The drink drive limit in England is 80 milligrames of alcohol per 100 ml of blood.
Its also expressed as 40 microgrames of alcohol in 100 millilitres of breath (Drink drive limit is 35 but they only prosecute at 40 and above).
There is no direct equivalent relationship between units of alcohol stated on a bottle of beer or wine and what appears in your breath or bloodstream. The reason being it depends on an individuals ability to absorb alcohols and for the body to break it down via the liver etc. Factors such as stomach contents, an individuals actual total blood capacity and digestive metabolism all make this guesswork.BMI is also a factor. There are guidelines about the relationship between units of alcohol consumed and the likely levels in your bloodstream but its only a guide .
In my experience as a former Custodt Sergeant if someone is 2.5 times the drink drive limit that's an Evidential Intoxilyser Machine reading of 100 mg of alcohol per 100ml of breath that's well and truy drunk in common parlance.
The Intoxilyser Machine used in Police Stations is out of range at a reading of 200 that's getting close to fatal alcohol poisoning levels for some people.
When I had my Police Training for the old LIon Intoximeter we had a course where in the evening different students drank various amounts of acohol in the Police Bar and we tested ourselves on the machine afterwards.
We were actually quite surprised that one student failed the test after drinking just 2 Pints of Beer yet another passed the test after 3 double Whiskys.
Most people would stuggle to be coherent at 2.5 times the limit unless you were a heavy everyday drinker. Certainly walking in a straight line woud be difficult !
I personally would be close to unconscious / sleep at that level but I never drink more than 2 pints in an evening out so my tolerance level is quite low.
Just going to stick my head over the fence a minute.
I was once a young man. I was often pissed, stoned, high or tripping my socks off. At many a student party I may well have "slept" with girls way over 2.5 units of alcohol down their throats. Gone home sometimes from strange beds and houses :augie I don't "think" I was a rapist , but then I wasn't exactly there all the time :nenau
We only have the media's hand me downs on the actual events of this "rape".
I'm in no way defending him but just re-reading some comments on here I'm just saying we're not all angels.
As for Jed , he can't go abroad until he's off licence I think. He's done his time and now needs to get a job doing something that'll help him grow up and move on. Preferably not in public.
Carry on :splif
Good man!!!!
macabethiel
11-01-2015, 08:44
we all have heard the media about this ....... so to balance things up heres ched evans website below ......... it makes some very interesting points .
http://www.chedevans.com/
It's interesting that the website in the link has been constructed to project innocence of Evans and is not bound by rules of evidence or any kind of journalistic balance - it reads like clever spin to me.
The photo gallery of a man who loves sport, children and animals. So how come this bloke with an attractive partner goes out to get drunk with his mate and share a girl who is drunk and has drugs in her body ?
I note there is an invitation for feedback in support of his innocence but no forum for those who are critical of his conduct.
It's a change of subject but it made me think of the following.
For those of us who are old enough to remeber the James Hanratty trial (and hanging) for the rape of Valerry Storie and the murder of her boyfriend look at the long campaign by his family and the book written by a Journaist (Paul Foot ?) to establish his innocence.
After many appeals they finally exhumed his body extracted the DNA and were able to prove his guilt after all !
Last I read Vallery Storie is still alive and whellchair bound as a result of spinal injury from being shot by Hanratty.
When I was a serving Police Officer I made a number of visits to various prisons to interview inmates and I was always came away with the impression that they were full of innocent people. It appeared to me that the culture for prisoners was one of being wrongly incarcerated. I assume that for many denial is a coping strategy that is easier to adopt than facing up to the consequences of thier actions.
the FACTS are .... a jury heard all the evidence available ( we haven't ) , and they decided he was guilty ......... enough said
macabethiel
11-01-2015, 09:48
Agreed !
reading your comments about being an ex custody sergeant , reminded me of when my brother ( aged 17 at the time ) got done for speeding ... he pleaded with the policeman by saying " its my first offence " ......... the policeman smiled and said " no such thing as a first offence , its just the first time you've been caught " :lol
macabethiel
11-01-2015, 12:17
reading your comments about being an ex custody sergeant , reminded me of when my brother ( aged 17 at the time ) got done for speeding ... he pleaded with the policeman by saying " its my first offence " ......... the policeman smiled and said " no such thing as a first offence , its just the first time you've been caught " :lol
It's an interesting statistic the source of which I can't quote (probably Home Office Research) but apparanly when first time shoplifters were caught they later admitted (to researchers) an average seven previous offences !
That's what makes Police Officers including retired ones sceptical. I spent about 95% of my working day dealing with the dishonest section of society that does taint your perspective somewhat.
What I like about my life now is I interact with normal, usually sober, drug free and mostly honest and decent people.
don simon
11-01-2015, 12:20
https://www.crimeline.info/case/r-v-ched-evans-chedwyn-evans
An interesting read of the facts of the case.
macabethiel
11-01-2015, 14:50
https://www.crimeline.info/case/r-v-ched-evans-chedwyn-evans
An interesting read of the facts of the case.
Not seen this before very interesting reading.
For the life of me I can't see why his girlfriend has stuck by him looking at his admitted conduct during the night in question.
I guess love is blind !
firebobby
11-01-2015, 16:12
Not seen this before very interesting reading.
For the life of me I can't see why his girlfriend has stuck by him looking at his admitted conduct during the night in question.
I guess love is blind !
Some people love the fame and the money that goes with it, I bet that's the only reason she is still around :augie
don simon
11-01-2015, 16:21
Some people love the fame and the money that goes with it, I bet that's the only reason she is still around :augie
Wasn't her old man offering 2 million quid to Oldham to offset any losses caused by the Evans signing? I can't see how it's the money that she's after. Maybe the fame, the unknown partner of a big fish in a small pool. Really?
This is proper curious.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11334853/What-is-Ched-Evanss-future-father-in-law-playing-at.html
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