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exosteve
03-07-2014, 22:08
I want to take the wheel off the back door.
it cant go under the truck.
it cant go in the boot as all my tools are under the floor.
it cant go on the roof for more than one reason.
that leaves the bonnet.
has anyone done this?. Im well aware I need to keep the intercooler vent free flowing.
but if I make a bracket to align the gap between the wheel and intake clear?
would it make the bonnet impossibly heavy?
would it restrict my view too much?
I think the air intake for the intercooler would be improved with more air being rammed in.
any thoughts?
i've seen landys with them on the bonnet but they're the very old ones
AlexD333
03-07-2014, 22:15
I want to take the wheel off the back door.
it cant go under the truck.
it cant go in the boot as all my tools are under the floor.
it cant go on the roof for more than one reason.
that leaves the bonnet.
has anyone done this?. Im well aware I need to keep the intercooler vent free flowing.
but if I make a bracket to align the gap between the wheel and intake clear?
would it make the bonnet impossibly heavy?
would it restrict my view too much?
I think the air intake for the intercooler would be improved with more air being rammed in.
any thoughts?
If it was a flat bonnet perhaps, but given that the air scoop is already there i imagine it would restrict view too much.
You know what they say right, the proof is in the pudding. Try it and see.
Just remember to take pics :sly
exosteve
03-07-2014, 22:17
ive seen them.
never seen a t2 like that.
like I said to you mate the rear door card is now gone and I want to utilise that space with a condiment storage area and a fold down cooker stand which will be extra weight on the door and hinges.
I also want to incorporate an awningover the cooking area.
im glad I didn't rush into my roof rack idea as I have thought of a few add ons:D
AlexD333
03-07-2014, 22:19
ive seen them.
never seen a t2 like that.
like I said to you mate the rear door card is now gone and I want to utilise that space with a condiment storage area and a fold down cooker stand which will be extra weight on the door and hinges.
I also want to incorporate an awningover the cooking area.
im glad I didn't rush into my roof rack idea as I have thought of a few add ons:D
Well it doesent sound like you have a viable idea apart from to take the wheel off.
Although I do often see twin wheel mods on the back door, I'm sure the hinges must be able to take it :nenau
kitchenman
03-07-2014, 22:28
Consider the load on the bonnet hinges and the lock in the event of a crash for cash, I think they may fail :eek:
exosteve
03-07-2014, 22:32
Consider the load on the bonnet hinges and the lock in the event of a crash for cash, I think they may fail :eek:
you haven't seen my idea on paper.
and alex your right.thats my idea take it off.and see what happens:D
AlexD333
03-07-2014, 22:34
you haven't seen my idea on paper.
and alex your right.thats my idea take it off.and see what happens:D
Yeah dude i look forward to seeing. If it does go on the bonnet, it will be American style, you know with the bit air intakes poking out :augie
TBH I think it would block your view badly with it having to be raised up so you got air flow into the IC the option around it would be to fit a front mount IC & poss a MK1 bonnet if it will fit then you might get around it but I think it is legal to do it as i've seen some quite young LR's with the spare on the bonnet & 90% of all the MOD LR's are done this way & they have to be legal to drive on our roads
A cooker set up won't add much weight TBH to the back door just use as much alloy as you can over steel
I wouldn't like to have to hump the spare on/off the bonnet :augie
firebobby
03-07-2014, 22:39
Although I do often see twin wheel mods on the back door, I'm sure the hinges must be able to take it :nenau
What, on Terrano ???
The second wheel would sit to far out surely and put to much strain on the hinges
Another option would be a swing away wheel carrier that mounts to the body or chassis then you could have 2 spare wheels:thumbs
AlexD333
03-07-2014, 23:00
What, on Terrano ???
The second wheel would sit to far out surely and put to much strain on the hinges
I meant something similar to this set up :thumb2
firebobby
03-07-2014, 23:07
I meant something similar to this set up :thumb2
That looks bloody stupid :lol
AlexD333
03-07-2014, 23:08
That looks bloody stupid :lol
Damn I must have a mad taste, I think that looks manic! (Minus the red) :lol
makeitfit
03-07-2014, 23:10
Don't bother with the wheel at all. Carry a really good "get out of jail" tyre gloop spray can and a puncture repair kit.
Join the RAC
Simples :thumbs
I only carry a spare when offroading.
AlexD333
03-07-2014, 23:13
Don't bother with the wheel at all. Carry a really good "get out of jail" tyre gloop spray can and a puncture repair kit.
Join the RAC
Simples :thumbs
I only carry a spare when offroading.
Do check though, the law used to state with rac and aa, if the car comes with a spare wheel and you don't have it, they charge you for repair ect.
Don't know if this is still the case :nenau
makeitfit
03-07-2014, 23:19
Do check though, the law used to state with rac and aa, if the car comes with a spare wheel and you don't have it, they charge you for repair ect.
Don't know if this is still the case :nenau
Ah well don't join them then :freak3:
One could always say you've just got the spare in for repair :augie
AlexD333
04-07-2014, 06:27
Ah well don't join them then :freak3:
One could always say you've just got the spare in for repair :augie
Lol, I'm not sure if gospel still, but this is what the aa man told me when he came to do me a puncture repair, this was about 2 years ago. Otherwise if you are cashless you could still be caught out :doh
arcascomp
04-07-2014, 08:09
When I was a young 'un, we used to get taken to school in a landie as the school bus. Few years in and they had to remove the spares from the bonnet after some horrendous accident where the spare came off the mountings and decapitated the driver/passenger. Not sure if it's road legal for vehicles built after then or not, could have been a rule specifically because it was a school bus.
That looks bloody stupid :lol
No it doesn't, It's on 2 swing away wheel carriers which are attached to the rear bumper not the door.
Steve don't stick it on the bonnet, Will reduce your visibility loads. Also the weight of it will make lifting it a right pain in the ass.
The stuff you want to put on the door won't make that much difference in weight. Just keep the tyre where it is :thumb2
In the future I'd maybe consider a rear swing away wheel carrier that attaches to the bumper (will need a metal bumper though) if funds allow.
firebobby
04-07-2014, 09:30
No it doesn't, It's on 2 swing away wheel carriers which are attached to the rear bumper not the door.
Sorry, but yes it does, makes the truck, look like it's got a fat arse :p
...The stuff you want to put on the door won't make that much difference in weight. Just keep the tyre where it is :thumb2...
I agree..
We have travelled a few times with the rear door open, and a huge roll of carpet stuck out of the back. With the standard wheel on.:augie
This was only for short runs of 12 miles or so, but to be honest on later occasions I did take the wheel off.:augie
When the door is properly closed, any weight taken by the rear door will be shared between the catches and the hinges, provided that all adjustments are made so the door doesn't rattle.:thumb2
Then you consider what these trucks can do when really off road, and all the speed humps, :lol then going by all the threads on this forum, other than leaks, has anybody really had any problems with the rear door or hinges?:nenau:nenau
OK the wheel bracket cracks the odd spot weld and squeaks like hell, but a couple of small bolts or pop rivets sorts that...:thumb2
So why consider moving it?:nenau
Sorry, but yes it does, makes the truck, look like it's got a fat arse :p
Call it the Terrano Megane then...
Proper Renault engineering..:lol
firebobby
04-07-2014, 09:48
Call it the Terrano Megane then...
Proper Renault engineering..:lol
:lol:lol
It may be the angle of the photo, but in my eyes, it don't look good :)
johnb5177
04-07-2014, 12:07
Apart from Alex`s bondage bar, he also seems to have a rubber fetish......hmmm
Anyway back to the thread.....I used to own a succession of Landys, most of them with bonnet mounted spares.......it was awful.......no vis over the hood, I ended up taking all of them off and putting them on the fixing behind the passenger bulkhead......with all the saws, rope, winches (yes Alex.....winches, prural) and assorted gear.....it ended up being impossible to get at the spare:doh
So when swing out rear spare carriers came along I rejoiced, how difficult it would be to fit one to a Terry, I don't know?
Take a look at the HiLux Surf, I had one and it had a swing out frame for the spare :thumb2
Nissan terrano R3MR also has them
Some of the earlier Landies had a recess ie it was dished, on the bonnet, and most of the earlier Landies had thin tyres too, so overall a lot lower, so if you were above average height, you could see over it, as there was no height adjustment on the seats.
Unless you sat on a cushion like my mum did lol...:thumb2
fill your tyres with this stuff,then bin the spare.:thumb2
works fine as I have have a few nails in the tyres from working next to a pallet yard.pull out the nail a few bubbles and sealed.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Goop-Puncture-Repair-Sealant-Tubed-Tubeless-Tyre-500ml-/301137807021?pt=UK_Cars_Parts_Vehicles_Wheels_tyre _Trims_Trims_ET&hash=item461d3646ad
AlexD333
04-07-2014, 14:58
Apart from Alex`s bondage bar, he also seems to have a rubber fetish......hmmm
Ouch dude, that hurt :naughty
fill your tyres with this stuff,then bin the spare.:thumb2
works fine as I have have a few nails in the tyres from working next to a pallet yard.pull out the nail a few bubbles and sealed.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Goop-Puncture-Repair-Sealant-Tubed-Tubeless-Tyre-500ml-/301137807021?pt=UK_Cars_Parts_Vehicles_Wheels_tyre _Trims_Trims_ET&hash=item461d3646ad
That one is for motorcycles but when I have seen similar products, it's not meant to be used as a pemanent repair, but if you run over a piece of wood with loads of nails in it, how would you ever know it is actually stopping a leak?:nenau or how many you have had.:nenau
Yes you can see and remove nails and screws, but some thorns no chance.
In fact the gunk wouldn't work with the police stingers, as they have small hypodermic like hollow needles that penetrate into the tyre, giving a slow controlled release of air.
It has worked great on my daughters bike, she was getting punctures every week, mostly hawthorn spikes, I put some "gunk or slime " type product in there, never had a puncture again.
I must admit, if I was going across Europe, or on safari or even parts of Yorkshire... lol...:lol, I would certainly consider it.
That one is for motorcycles but when I have seen similar products, it's not meant to be used as a pemanent repair, but if you run over a piece of wood with loads of nails in it, how would you ever know it is actually stopping a leak?:nenau or how many you have had.:nenau
Yes you can see and remove nails and screws, but some thorns no chance.
In fact the gunk wouldn't work with the police stingers, as they have small hypodermic like hollow needles that penetrate into the tyre, giving a slow controlled release of air.
It has worked great on my daughters bike, she was getting punctures every week, mostly hawthorn spikes, I put some "gunk or slime " type product in there, never had a puncture again.
I must admit, if I was going across Europe, or on safari or even parts of Yorkshire... lol...:lol, I would certainly consider it.
It's not for repair it's for prevention.exactly the same stuff for cars.
You let the air out fill up the tyre with the amount required for the tyre size you are running.
It does work quite well as I used it on the quad bike all the time.
Nothing is ever gonna substitute a spare tyre but if you choose not to carry one this a good alternative.
I am speaking from experience with this stuff.found a nail in my tyre,pulled it out and it sealed almost instantly and never lost any pressure.once it's in there it's in until you take the tyre off and keeps working.
As for stingers :nenau don't really see Steve being in that situation:lol:lol
Thomas-the-Terrano2
04-07-2014, 22:32
Most of modern 90s used by MOD have spare mounted on side of body, now how
about that.
Reckon on bonnet will fail test, and whilst I always say it, I'd run idea by insurance
firm first.
The ARB wheel carriers you see on the landcruisers etc get the impression of a "fat arse" because of the sized tyres that they run..also requireing the spacing of the wheel carrier centers to allow for room so the two spares dont hit eachother when closing the carrier against the back of the truck.
In aussie and nz you will commonly find that 32 inch is the minimum with most running 33's and up, then you get simex's with large block tread and your looking at a rolling diameter of at least 36 inches......most SUV bodies are not 2 meters wide...hence the "fat arse".......
obviously you want the spare/s to match whats already on the truck...for a terrano/maverick with 31's or 32's it would sit inside the body line nicely and not interfere with the viability of the brake lights.
ever thought about building a a false floor in the back so you can slide your spare and 4wd gear in under your tools?
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