jerry cans

[exosteve]

im stocking up with veg oil for when we go wales.
Im thinking of getting a couple of jerry cans as room in the car will be limited with the amount of camping gear we take:augie

any one got any ideas where to or how to fit them to the out side of me truck?

only idea I have so far is to move the roof rack bars close together with just enough room to fit them in? and strap em on.:nenau

[makeitfit]

Put the spare on the roof and Jerry cans on the door. You can get ready made lockable hangers for them too :thumbs

[Fez_uk]

I can get you some from bookers if you like steve if you don't want to lug them all the way here.

[Banshee]

I always worry about storing veg in jerry cans, I have fears that I'll just open it one day and it would all be mouldy :lol

[zippy656]

hey have shops in Wales...


what ever next!

[Fez_uk]

hey have shops in Wales...

what ever next!

hopefully electric next year :lol

[exosteve]

shops in wales:nenau:nenau
don't want to see any even if I can find one:lol

but seriously.
What are the legalities of using veg oil as fuel?
more than one person has said to me its illeagal:nenau
is it:nenau and what penalties do I face if caught:eek:

[spiderpig37]

Chuck it in and stop worrying

[puddle hoppers inc.]

you are allowed to use 2500ltrs per year if not used for business. anything over that you are liable for tax. you are required to keep a log of useage, for the tax man to look over if required by the rozzers. i usually keep my reciepts from costco in the glove box just incase, tho technically i should have a log book in the vehicle. it is not illegal in any shape or form, unless commercial bud :thumb2

[puddle hoppers inc.]

btw, strap a stong pallet to the roof bars and tie down 3 20ltr cubes!

[spinna]

You are allowed to use upto 2500 litres per year but you need to keep receipts cus if you do get checked they want proof that you have not used more than 2500 litres in a 12 month period


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[spinna]

Saying that you need to a lot if miles to reach that quantity especially if you mix it with diesel/ petrol


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[Kishada]

I'm too lazy to keep receipts :lol but I would expect that an Mot certificate should suffice to prove mileage travelled within the 12month period, and volume of fuel used based on the manufacturers stated fuel consumption figures...
The receipt idea is frankly ridiculous anyway, what if you accidentally mislaid a few...
Receipt idea is based on honesty. The powers that be would probably turn to the idea I've just laid out above if they really wanted to put a case against you! Then you're back to defending yourself on a pile of receipts, or the appropriate amount based on the argument that you don't use veg oil full time.

Could they seriously come up with a more idiotic idea?! :doh

[makeitfit]

I've not heard about the receipts thing, that's right gay :lol
As above 2500 litres, even in the Trol, will get some serious miles.
I reckon they'd have a job to prove you've used more than 2500, so why bother being paranoid.
Live for today and screw the system, it's shagged anyway :doh

[puddle hoppers inc.]

its the law, i didnt right it, gay or not :lol
basics of tax paying are reciepts, not just writing shit in a log book. its fact not fiction. :thumb2
so thats the legalities sorted.

[makeitfit]

its the law, i didnt right it, gay or not :lol
basics of tax paying are reciepts, not just writing shit in a log book. its fact not fiction. :thumb2
so thats the legalities sorted.

Still gay :p

[exosteve]

Back to Tesco monday:thumbs
fez I will send you some cash closer to the time to get me 40 litres or so for my return journey. I don't want to go shoppin while im there:augie

my mind is settled thanks lads. the mot is proof enough without recipts:thumbs

the way people have been talking to me had me worried. they made it sound as bad as using pink......

[makeitfit]

Steve, panic not, I think people are confusing PRODUCING and using :rolleyes:
A producer MUST keep all records etc, but a user ? That's tosh I'm sure of it. You just need one ordinary derv receipt and any veg oil usage argument is shot to bits.
I still reckon for Joe blogs user, HMRC would have to prove you've used more than 2500 to apply any duty.

[jims-terrano]

hey have shops in Wales...


what ever next!

Not proper shops tho zips, they charge you for carrier bags:doh

[exosteve]

Steve, panic not, I think people are confusing PRODUCING and using :rolleyes:
A producer MUST keep all records etc, but a user ? That's tosh I'm sure of it. You just need one ordinary derv receipt and any veg oil usage argument is shot to bits.
I still reckon for Joe blogs user, HMRC would have to prove you've used more than 2500 to apply any duty.

I keep all recipts anyway as I put them through my books:naughty
bum I forgot to keep my oil recipts I put them through too:sly

[spinna]

Steve, panic not, I think people are confusing PRODUCING and using :rolleyes:

A producer MUST keep all records etc, but a user ? That's tosh I'm sure of it. You just need one ordinary derv receipt and any veg oil usage argument is shot to bits.

I still reckon for Joe blogs user, HMRC would have to prove you've used more than 2500 to apply any duty.


Anything NOT involving the tax man yes but when tax involved it's upto us to prove :( but as others have noted there is no reason an mot certificate can't be used as proof.


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[makeitfit]

Did you know that you don't have to have the mileage put on the MOT :sly

[puddle hoppers inc.]

Steve, panic not, I think people are confusing PRODUCING and using :rolleyes:
A producer MUST keep all records etc, but a user ? That's tosh I'm sure of it. You just need one ordinary derv receipt and any veg oil usage argument is shot to bits.
I still reckon for Joe blogs user, HMRC would have to prove you've used more than 2500 to apply any duty.

no, i have run many vehicles over many years on veg. it is the user who is responsible, just as a tax man would expect.... google is free if you dont trust me....
auto hubs are gayer than side steps :D

[puddle hoppers inc.]

I keep all recipts anyway as I put them through my books:naughty
bum I forgot to keep my oil recipts I put them through too:sly
thats commercial, you would get taxed.... heavily....

[makeitfit]

's allright I'm on manuals :sly
I don't distrust you but CBA to google it either . I'll bow out quietly stage left :augie
The last thing I'll be thinking of is letting the tax man know where my money comes and goes to and from :lol

[makeitfit]

thats commercial, you would get taxed.... heavily....

explain :nenau

[makeitfit]

or put it this way, why would one ever keep more than 2500 litres worth of receipts :confused:

[puddle hoppers inc.]

well, if you run a business everything you spend on said business is taxed at different levels. you buy bread for toast you can claim the tax back etc
if you are using veg oil to fuel company vehicles it is liable to tax on top, thats the way it is, always has been. the government(not us) make shitloads out of derv on the hgv side of things why would they not try to fleece us too?
the tax man has no friends......

[puddle hoppers inc.]

Now hang on a minute! You get out of your truck and dig out your wheel to turn a primative switch to engage 4wd? Wtf???

[Lazy-Ferret]

or put it this way, why would one ever keep more than 2500 litres worth of receipts :confused:

Exactly, receipts are normally to prove you have actually spent the money, so you can claim it back, which means if you loose the receipt, you loose out financially (No receipt, no money).

Expecting you to keep receipts to prove you have used more than your oil allowance just would never work. Even if anyone was running 100% veg, and doing only 25MPG, they would need to be doing 14500 miles a year, which is unlikely in a 10 to 20 year old T2.

Even if someone was, they would just save every other Veg receipt and ask their mates to give them their Diesel receipts for the slim chance they might get caught by Customs and Excise.

As I used to claim mileage for work, I got into the habit of keeping a record in a Log book of all fuel in, along with my daily mileage, and service history. You couldn't make that up over night, so I am sure it would be more than sufficient evidence should I really need it.

[puddle hoppers inc.]

as an ex long distance driver, 52k a year, i can tell you that every receipt was asked for,if no electric it was in writing if you were in the sticks.

[makeitfit]

Now hang on a minute! You get out of your truck and dig out your wheel to turn a primative switch to engage 4wd? Wtf???
I know :doh I've changed so many autos it makes no odds. Switch em on and leave 'em , simples :D

I've been claiming my veg and bio back for years but never over 2500 litres .
Claim ever bloody thing I can, otherwise I here people pay tax :nenau

[puddle hoppers inc.]

last year i clocked a lot going to work and back, it only takes one tit to pull you over, police aint what they used to be... ie thinking!

[makeitfit]

But a dip doesn't cause an indepth tax evasion inquiry :nenau
I've been dipped round here a couple of times and all they were after was red .
They took their two samples (one for me one for them :eek:) I poored mine back in the tank. Visual check Ok so I was on my way while they sent off the sample for full analysis . No news is good news.

[puddle hoppers inc.]

red diesel is very different, thats blatant disregard as far as vosa are concerned.

[makeitfit]

red diesel is very different, thats blatant disregard as far as vosa are concerned.

Agreed :) er I mean, "Like" :thumbs

[Fez_uk]

The problem with all this is it's written for bio diesel. Not SVO.

It's a grey area. Technically by adding petrol to thin the svo I am producing bio diesel? Some may say yes some no.