New Log Burner

[R1cho]

well today i won a new log burner on the bay of e for the princely sum of £69. it is a Efel 'Kamina' Model FL1, with a total of 11.6 KW output

heres a pic of the one we won

http://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1484165_10152019134917649_115200033_n.jpg

and this is what it will look like once its all cleaned up

http://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1466119_10152019134947649_1714930560_n.jpg

http://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1454603_10152019134997649_1093156342_n.jpg

now i've been doing some digging around and burners this size sell from around £1000 for cheap ones so i got it for a song

more pics and wrtieup to follow as i get it all installed and everything

[(RIP) PLANK]

Nice one! Is it the one with lots of small strips of glass rather than one single piece?

[R1cho]

Nice one! Is it the one with lots of small strips of glass rather than one single piece?

yep it is

[solarman216]

what sort of flue are you planning? Rick

[Peasgood1]

Hope you have got a big house.
You are going to sweat your knackers off with that. :D

[R1cho]

what sort of flue are you planning? Rick

this stuff rick http://www.fluesupplies.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_32&products_id=402

[solarman216]

this stuff rick http://www.fluesupplies.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_32&products_id=402

yep that is good but if you burn some unseasoned stuff expect it to cause a restriction, it is a good idea to get the fire going full tilt regularly to burn off this creosote, that flakes away from the wall causing restriction, Rick

[(RIP) PLANK]

I have/had some spare glass for one of those somewhere, if it turns up . . .

[R1cho]

yep that is good but if you burn some unseasoned stuff expect it to cause a restriction, it is a good idea to get the fire going full tilt regularly to burn off this creosote, that flakes away from the wall causing restriction, Rick

next problem we have is finding a big enough register plate, i need one thats 61"x12" oh and i need to measure how long the chimney is, where we are now is a three story house so its not a short one :lol

[solarman216]

next problem we have is finding a big enough register plate, i need one thats 61"x12" oh and i need to measure how long the chimney is, where we are now is a three story house so its not a short one :lol

OK but be careful on this as 6 inch may not be big enough for that height, I did one some while ago and it required a 12 inch flue at far less height, I hasten to add I was only the builder not the specifier, you may be better off going for an insulated external flue, but I would get professional advice on this, Rick

[R1cho]

OK but be careful on this as 6 inch may not be big enough for that height, I did one some while ago and it required a 12 inch flue at far less height, I hasten to add I was only the builder not the specifier, you may be better off going for an insulated external flue, but I would get professional advice on this, Rick

next door has a log burner, i'll have a word with them about their flue, their house is just a touch taller than ours

[(RIP) PLANK]

next door has a log burner, i'll have a word with them about their flue, their house is just a touch taller than ours

Good plan, I all ways use 5 inch flue, but they only have to go through the caravan roof :lol

[spiderpig37]

next problem we have is finding a big enough register plate, i need one thats 61"x12" oh and i need to measure how long the chimney is, where we are now is a three story house so its not a short one :lol

Make your own out of galv sheet and angle for the frame theres some how toos on you vbe

[R1cho]

OK but be careful on this as 6 inch may not be big enough for that height, I did one some while ago and it required a 12 inch flue at far less height, I hasten to add I was only the builder not the specifier, you may be better off going for an insulated external flue, but I would get professional advice on this, Rick

spoke to next door, theirs is just a 6" flue but its just over 30ft long :eek:

[zippy656]

spoke to next door, theirs is just a 6" flue but its just over 30ft long :eek:

Um, why so long, it run all the way up?

[R1cho]

Um, why so long, it run all the way up?

yep

[zippy656]

Why run all the way up.

[R1cho]

Why run all the way up.

because the exit to the flue has to be above roof height i think

[zippy656]

My last burner, flue went 3' up the chney

[R1cho]

My last burner, flue went 3' up the chney

my chimney needs it so its also relined, its a very old chimney :lol

[solarman216]

because the exit to the flue has to be above roof height i think

no, it is to do with keeping the flue hot to produce draw, thin wall SS heats up quick and should be proof against corrosion, a brick chimney takes far to long to heat up and will be a fire problem should it coat with creosote deposits, Rick

[larson]

if you do not run a flu all the way up the chimny to smoke degrades the pointing and eventualy it will come in to a bedroom or loft space...

so i was told..

[larson]

Make your own out of galv sheet and angle for the frame theres some how toos on you vbe

i have made these at work for 2 friends.. im sure you would be able to get it done at a near by sheet metal company

[clivvy]

if you do not run a flu all the way up the chimny to smoke degrades the pointing and eventualy it will come in to a bedroom or loft space...

so i was told..

yh I think thats right, sure I've read that before. In the old days, they rendered the inside of the chimney as it was built....well, they certainly did ours.

[solarman216]

if you do not run a flu all the way up the chimny to smoke degrades the pointing and eventualy it will come in to a bedroom or loft space...

so i was told..

yes that is the whole point, golden years past the fire was kept in all the time chimney always hot so good draw, cold chimney takes ages to attain a draw due to the smoke rising till it cools enough to start to drop, now it blocks further smoke rising, simples, modern SS twin wall flues heat very quickly as only have to heat the SS inner member, so draw will be good a short while from starup, Rick

[zippy656]

Didnt get that trouble

[Big Col]

No liner in our chimney, house was built in 1952.
Never had a problem with the burner drawing it does get swept every three months due to burning logs apparently that's what the regs are now so I was told by our sweep
Colin

[firebobby]

Our house was built in 1925 and the chimney is not lined, the log burner works fine and gives good heat.
I sweep mine about once a year and burn wood 99% of the time, I do like to give the fire a good hot burn every few weeks, as stated before, this removes the tar and soot build up.

I sweep my own chimney, I bought a set of sticks and a brush years ago.....saved a fortune.

Big Col, every 3 months seems a bit of an over kill, is this on your chimney sweeps advice, if so, have you checked his ash bin before and after to see how much soot is being removed, I would be amazed if there's much coming out.

[spiderpig37]

You can always have your chimney tested by capping off the top and letting off a smoke pellet in the bottom to see if the flue holds the smoke and none escapes into the loft space or other fires if they are conected
For piece off mind a liner would do away with this

[R1cho]

got some of these today so can test the chimney, was speaking to the neighbour and they pointed out they haven't got a chimney stack but i have, dunno how i missed that lol, looking at the brickwork from the outside the chimney looks to be in fairly new condition

https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q71/s720x720/1478953_10152022916127649_1365689430_n.jpg

[R1cho]

well i ripped the boards off that were covering the chumney

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1450908_10152023203362649_940407200_n.jpg

and gave it a sweep

this is just what wouldn't fit in the vacuum after emptying it twice :lol

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1497654_10152023203042649_1958668710_n.jpg

the inside doesn't look bad at all

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/536857_10152023202937649_1606312602_n.jpg

did smoke test and got a nice constant plume and nothing coming into the house :thumbs

[(RIP) PLANK]

Get up in the attic an see if you can see down the sides where it come through the ceiling, they often leak internally from one chimney to the next so you end up with smoke in a bedroom with a blocked up fireplace. When I bought this house we stripped the chimney breast from floor to roof and rebuilt a lot of it - it wa more work but less cash than a liner :thumb2

[spiderpig37]

When you do a smoke test you need to block the top of the chimney pot so the smoke is held in the stsck thats when you can tell if any is leaking

[R1cho]

picked up the new burner, its a big fooker :lol

http://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1470019_10152026067597649_1471556499_n.jpg

the flue on the back of it is 8" :eek:

[solarman216]

picked up the new burner, its a big fooker :lol

http://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1470019_10152026067597649_1471556499_n.jpg

the flue on the back of it is 8" :eek:

you cannot reduce that size and doubtful if you can get a liner up your existing chimney, so you maybe forced to go external and 8 inch will be expensive, Rick

[solarman216]

you could of course just use the existing flue, but your choice, I would not, Rick

[R1cho]

its also got a back boiler, so need to find a way to plumb it into the current system that has a combi boiler, might end up selling it yet :confused:

[solarman216]

its also got a back boiler, so need to find a way to plumb it into the current system that has a combi boiler, might end up selling it yet :confused:

I am a heating engineer, you will need a hot water cylinder to hook this thing up to, if you want advice on this, PM me Rick

[R1cho]

I am a heating engineer, you will need a hot water cylinder to hook this thing up to, if you want advice on this, PM me Rick

yep i've been reading, i will need an expansion vessel if i've read it right

[solarman216]

yep i've been reading, i will need an expansion vessel if i've read it right

you need more than that mate, Rick

[R1cho]

you need more than that mate, Rick

pump, taps/switch, expansion vessel........i'm guessing theres an exhaustive list of things i haven't found yet :confused:

[bloat]

I thought it was against the law to fit a back boiler nower days? I may be wrong

[R1cho]

I thought it was against the law to fit a back boiler nower days? I may be wrong

that would be a back boiler on a gas fire

[bloat]

Ah my bad I should start reading the whole thread lol :thumb2

[(RIP) PLANK]

You could sell it on and buy something smaller and simpler, a big stove needs a lot of wood too! Just take a little sidew ays step on the path and still stay on the route to a wood burner, I've got a Clarke barrel stove in my office, cheap and cheerful, works very well and has a 5" outlet :thumb2