Failure to wear seatbelt

[AD Ent]

I saw him sat there as I came off the mini roundabout. I didn't look at him as I went passed. Then left arm across and just pulled it across my shoulder, really slowly and clicked it in. Quick glance in the mirror as his front end pulled out followed by blue lights. :doh I stayed in the car so he had to come upto the window and see I had my belt on :thumbs

"Just want to come sit in my car sir?" So sat in a lovely A/C Volvo. :cool:
"Why didn't you have your seatbelt on?"
I had it on.... :augie
"Well I beg to differ... Anything you say may be taken blah blah blah"
I said nothing :o

I am awaiting through the post an option for a safety course :confused:

[96terrano]

I saw him sat there as I came off the mini roundabout. I didn't look at him as I went passed. Then left arm across and just pulled it across my shoulder, really slowly and clicked it in. Quick glance in the mirror as his front end pulled out followed by blue lights. :doh I stayed in the car so he had to come upto the window and see I had my belt on :thumbs

"Just want to come sit in my car sir?" So sat in a lovely A/C Volvo. :cool:
"Why didn't you have your seatbelt on?"
I had it on.... :augie
"Well I beg to differ... Anything you say may be taken blah blah blah"
I said nothing :o

I am awaiting through the post an option for a safety course :confused:

oops, you can't pull the wool over the eyes of the piggie patrol that easilly

if i was in your shoes id of say, listen mate, i was wearing my seat belt:augie and if you think otherwise prove it!

[bry]

In car video,no doubt.

[macabethiel]

Knowing and telling the truth are good for ones self esteem in the long run.

Trouble with lying is you not only deny the truth but end up being dishonest.

What you do not know is there may have been a covert camera up the road that relayed the information or an ANPR post.

These cameras are often in unlikely places.

I say take the punishment and be a man !!

[96terrano]

In car video,no doubt.

then youre stuffed:augie:doh

the police dont have in car cameras up here i don't think, atleast the panda cars don't, not sure about the bis patroll cars

i hate the police, bloody useless here, won't like the paperwork so are lazy :( i got a warning because i had a pen knife....why? because i was stripping some insulating off wires whilst working on my truck, piggies didn't believe i owned my terrano because of my age :rolleyes: and gave me a warning for having a knife on my own driveway and being cheeky/argumentative

was just standing my ground

[AD Ent]

He told me he wasn't their for speeders just for seatbelts. :rolleyes:

[firebobby]

Just 2nd nature now, get in the vehicle and on with the belt...they do save lives, it's not a myth ;)

[firebobby]

then youre stuffed:augie:doh

the police dont have in car cameras up here i don't think, atleast the panda cars don't, not sure about the bis patroll cars

i hate the police, bloody useless here, won't like the paperwork so are lazy :( i got a warning because i had a pen knife....why? because i was stripping some insulating off wires whilst working on my truck, piggies didn't believe i owned my terrano because of my age :rolleyes: and gave me a warning for having a knife on my own driveway and being cheeky/argumentative

was just standing my ground

Most will be wearing body cams soon.

So Ryan, where you being a gobshite then :lol:lol

[rustic]

...and being cheeky/argumentative
was just standing my ground

Ryan was pulled over by the police,

The Policeman said .." You are so argumentative"

Ryan said... "NO I'M NOT!!"

Policeman said... " There you go again" and arrested him....:lol:lol:lol:lol


No Ryans were harmed in the making of this joke.:thumb2

[makeitfit]

Seat belt and phone fines have just gone up to 100 squid, so no doubt plod are on a mission to boost sales :doh er, I mean statistics :augie

[larson]

was that at the round about at end of copley come time?

the thought the volvo had cammera

[macabethiel]

then youre stuffed:augie:doh

the police dont have in car cameras up here i don't think, atleast the panda cars don't, not sure about the bis patroll cars

i hate the police, bloody useless here, won't like the paperwork so are lazy :( i got a warning because i had a pen knife....why? because i was stripping some insulating off wires whilst working on my truck, piggies didn't believe i owned my terrano because of my age :rolleyes: and gave me a warning for having a knife on my own driveway and being cheeky/argumentative

was just standing my ground

I always find it a bit rich when people generalise and slag off the Police often based on some second hand evidence or due to a personal experience often not representative of the norm and probably instigated by a bad attitude from themselves when questioned by Police.

Okay as a retired plod I am bound to try to defend what might be a tad indefensible but I found that those who bitch about a Police experience are the first to seek help when they come up against a thug and loose or are burgled or someone in their family is sexually assaulted.

Part of the problem in my opinion is many youngsters get no discipline at home or at school and the first time they encounter someone in authority is when they are arrested or reported for a minor offence. They then scream Police State or Police Violence and often make spurious complaints.....get a life and do some growing up I say.

[96terrano]

Most will be wearing body cams soon.

So Ryan, where you being a gobshite then :lol:lol

Ryan was pulled over by the police,

The Policeman said .." You are so argumentative"

Ryan said... "NO I'M NOT!!"

Policeman said... " There you go again" and arrested him....:lol:lol:lol:lol


No Ryans were harmed in the making of this joke.:thumb2

:lol:lol i'm a argumentative little bugger when i want to be:sly:D:augie

[zippy656]

:lol:lol i'm a argumentative little bugger when i want to be:sly:D:augie

No your not

[96terrano]

No your not

I BLODDY WELL AM!!!!!!:hmh

[zippy656]

I BLODDY WELL AM!!!!!!:hmh

Nar, your just saying that

[96terrano]

Nar, your just saying that

yeah:o

[AD Ent]

was that at the round about at end of copley come time?

the thought the volvo had cammera

Yes you should have waved :lol

[rustic]

...Part of the problem in my opinion is many youngsters get no discipline at home or at school and ...

Well schools can no longer discipline kids any more, even detentions after school have to be arranged at least 24 hours beforehand, and requires the parents permission.

Many times parents go into school and say to the Teachers.... Say you didn't do it Johnny.... ah but the video says I did.

Schools need more surveillance, not just to protect the kids, but to protect the staff from false allegations made against the staff, often backed up by " friends" that wern't even there at the time of the alledged issue.

Schools can do nothing, and the worry of this, the darn kids know it.:doh

When you see the latest A level results and GCSE results the kids do really well, they worked well, no mention about how hard the staff work, to make sure the kids are on target, or give them intervention strategies and what to do to achieve the best grade.

HOWEVER... if the kids fail to achieve due to bone idleness, unapproved absence ie playing truant, causing disruption in class, etc then the media soon jump on the teachers saying they have failed to educate these kids.

This does seem to be a blame society.
Somebody must be responsible for failure...

Rustic

[AD Ent]

I always find it a bit rich when people generalise and slag off the Police often based on some second hand evidence or due to a personal experience often not representative of the norm and probably instigated by a bad attitude from themselves when questioned by Police.

Okay as a retired plod I am bound to try to defend what might be a tad indefensible but I found that those who bitch about a Police experience are the first to seek help when they come up against a thug and loose or are burgled or someone in their family is sexually assaulted.

Part of the problem in my opinion is many youngsters get no discipline at home or at school and the first time they encounter someone in authority is when they are arrested or reported for a minor offence. They then scream Police State or Police Violence and often make spurious complaints.....get a life and do some growing up I say.

I understand what your saying. PC today was a nice chap, I'm a nice chap. ;)
Usually round town I dont wear seatbelts:augie Now on quicker roads and M/Ways absolutely I do, they do save lives. :clap
Today I passed a copper at the side of the road and I was not wearing a seatbelt. He was sat there only for non seatbelt wearers. It's a victimless crime. I hurt nobody. Put nobody else at risk. :confused:

[makeitfit]

I always find it a bit rich when people generalise and slag off the Police often based on some second hand evidence or due to a personal experience often not representative of the norm and probably instigated by a bad attitude from themselves when questioned by Police.

Okay as a retired plod I am bound to try to defend what might be a tad indefensible but I found that those who bitch about a Police experience are the first to seek help when they come up against a thug and loose or are burgled or someone in their family is sexually assaulted.

Part of the problem in my opinion is many youngsters get no discipline at home or at school and the first time they encounter someone in authority is when they are arrested or reported for a minor offence. They then scream Police State or Police Violence and often make spurious complaints.....get a life and do some growing up I say.

I'll stick my six penneth in here then :question
Schools simply aren't allowed to "discipline" in any way, and the ruddy kids know that.
Conversely when teachers at my wife's school rang plod to report drug dealers carrying out their trade outside the school gates , they were more than lethargic regarding any "Police presence" :o Needless to say , no show :doh
Our sailing club's RIB was slashed by some knife wielding yob for no apparent reason one night. Plod were called and low and behold, we were told they were busy right now but would send someone out "soon" :augie
Two days later we asked what was going on and were told, it's too late now mate the finger prints will have worn off :confused:
Yet when I'm minding my own business on my way to work, I'm obliged to pull over and have my tank dipped ffs :hmh In that layby there were 4 police cars and god knows how many plod.
I feel that drivers are easy pickings for fines and clean up statistics ( not defending seat belt avoiders or speeders) . Bikecyclists don't get booked for going through red lights or speeding etc
I'll get off me box now :surrender

[larson]

Yes you should have waved :lol


i did not see them pull anybody and i would not know your car. i was in a zafira so if i had waved it would just hurt yor head trying to work out who it was

[AD Ent]

I only went to Screwfix for a self cutting tap £4.99 :rolleyes:

Larson:thumb2

[solarman216]

Well for my 5 pennorth (have not got the same eloquence of makeitfit), here in sunny Sussex we experience much the same, have a break in, you will be lucky to get a response, guy falls through shop window (recent event) police every where, there is a particular roundabout here that is approached by two lanes, nearside for left and straight on, offside for right turn, the number of drivers that overtake the nearside queue and then cut in to go straight on is high but Mr plot sat in his motor able to see this does nothing, but not wear a belt and he is on you instantly, I used to respect the police very highly, not any longer, they regard the motorist as cash cows, and I am 66, Rick

[macabethiel]

I BLODDY WELL AM!!!!!!:hmh

Look he is not arguing he is just taking up a contrary position. Its just contradiction.

[Deano400]

I always find it a bit rich when people generalise and slag off the Police often based on some second hand evidence or due to a personal experience often not representative of the norm and probably instigated by a bad attitude from themselves when questioned by Police.

Okay as a retired plod I am bound to try to defend what might be a tad indefensible but I found that those who bitch about a Police experience are the first to seek help when they come up against a thug and loose or are burgled or someone in their family is sexually assaulted.

Part of the problem in my opinion is many youngsters get no discipline at home or at school and the first time they encounter someone in authority is when they are arrested or reported for a minor offence. They then scream Police State or Police Violence and often make spurious complaints.....get a life and do some growing up I say.

Couldn't agree more. :clap

[jims-terrano]

At the end of the day we all know it's been the law for years to wear seatbelts, if we choose to risk not wearing one then we must accept the consequence and move on which sounds to be happening. Personally I wouldn't drive without one.
I understand that some police may come across as pratts and indeed I think there will be some that are. They will get used to dealing with knobs and tar everyone with the same brush. I think it's better to treat them as humans and eat humble pie if stopped for some reason. A bobby is more likely to give you a telling off for a minor speeding than a camera that is a machine such as a camera that simply sees speeding or not and nothing between.

As for teenagers, well I volunteer for an organisation for teens and have to say that I see the other side and the really good news is that not all teenagers are a waste of space in fact most are well rounded members of our society. I'm not naming the organisation as there are other organisations who give teens the same opportunities. Long may these organisations last. The unruly are the minority it just doesn't seem that way.

[arcascomp]

At the end of the day we all know it's been the law for years to wear seatbelts, if we choose to risk not wearing one then we must accept the consequence and move on which sounds to be happening. Personally I wouldn't drive without one.
I understand that some police may come across as pratts and indeed I think there will be some that are. They will get used to dealing with knobs and tar everyone with the same brush. I think it's better to treat them as humans and eat humble pie if stopped for some reason. A bobby is more likely to give you a telling off for a minor speeding than a camera that is a machine such as a camera that simply sees speeding or not and nothing between.

As for teenagers, well I volunteer for an organisation for teens and have to say that I see the other side and the really good news is that not all teenagers are a waste of space in fact most are well rounded members of our society. I'm not naming the organisation as there are other organisations who give teens the same opportunities. Long may these organisations last. The unruly are the minority it just doesn't seem that way.

Wot he said! I also volunteer for an organisation that gives kids something different to do and by and large most kids are great kids, although we also see the degradation of home discipline, but we have various ways to encourage the little 'darlings'.

I also agree that Mr Plod will be like any organisation with 100's of employees, there will always be a few who are far from useful and likewise, only a few who are truly excellent in their job. Sadly they are shoved about by politicians (elected and just upper damagement that live by their meeting room point scoring) so that they have to concentrate on milking motorists and ignore crimes like break ins and vandalism.

We need to start from the top, old Mr Fawkes wasn't such a bad chap was he?? :D

[bry]

Look he is not arguing he is just taking up a contrary position. Its just contradiction.
Monty Python methinks:)

[macabethiel]

Monty Python methinks:)

"Look its simple I am not going to argue unless you pay"

[bry]

He has paid, a tenner.

[rustic]

He has paid, a tenner.

But you could always argue in your free time!:doh

:lol:lol:lol

[clivvy]

some really interesting points made here. I have to say, im feeling increasingly at risk with the police, despite being very law abiding. I feel very much that the motorist is a very easy target and if we saw the same sort of patrols but on the streets - stopping burglars and arresting them there or giving them an on the spot fine, people would feel much differently about the police in general. BUT, this isn't the case, is it?

Everyone I speak to who has an experience with a none-motoring policeperson its a bad one. As in, the police do nothing. Everyone I speak to who has an experience with the motoring police, they have been done, fined, told off you name it and the police have pulled all the stops to ensure this.

I don't know about you lot, but I cant remember the last time I saw a police person walking the streets actually dealing with crime. I used to see police walking around in the safe areas, and I have NEVER seen them in the troublesome areas. This is bound to affect peoples perceptions - we simply do not SEE or HEAR the police protecting the community, we only see and hear the police either not doing anything, or seemingly working against us.

bahhh!!!

I just think things like the seatbelt incident are really low down on the list of priorities. The chap cutting in lane over a roundabout - he should be the one getting pulled over. the dick head chav boy racing up and down the street, get him.

On my way to work today, I saw three new Audis form the Audi garage speeding down the road, in line, WEAVING and SWIRVING - I don't care, I beeped at them and flashed my lights because im sick of seeing this bullshit behaviour ALL the time and never a policeman around doing something about it.

Im sick of seeing little old ladies, mums, and decent people at the side of the road getting a ticket while pimped up BMWs speed past tailgating. I feel very much that the police target the easy ones, and avoid the hard ones.

there is way too much bullshit with the police, and I don't feel that they are working for us, to protect us, I feel they are working against us and the government seriously need to sort this out. I find the police very un approachable, just asking them a question makes you feel like youre about to be arrested for something and this isn't a good environment to be in.

[firebobby]

Well Clivvy I have to disagree, with you, I was burgled and the response was very fast...with in 10 mins, there were 2 patrol cars at my address, we had constant phone calls, keeping us informed and they actually caught the git who broke in...good policing

There is a mobile police station parked in village car park right now, so people can go in for a chat and advise.
We have a Police van parked up a couple of times a week and the Police officers do walk around the village on these nights.

I will often call the police and inform them of wrong doings..at home and while out and about and most times I will get a call back to say they found something or other.

So I think that most Police officers do a bloody good job, as others have said, you will get a few bad apples.
I would not want to do their job, but am bloody glad they do it :)

[clivvy]

Village, you say?

well, I don't know if good policing is selective, but round here we don't see anything you mention, ever. Huddersfield, Manchester, Birstall even Leeds, all the same, all towns or cities, so maybe villages get more support.

[solarman216]

I tend to side with clivvy, but I guess it will depend a lot on the area you live and the top guy in charge, just like a restaurant change of management and what was a good place can go down hill fast, and vice a versa, Rick

[firebobby]

Ooo yes my lover, I lives in a village :kissy:kissy

[zippy656]

Ooo yes my lover, I lives in a village :kissy:kissy

Wonder if hes the only one in the village

[firebobby]

When you watch these Police TV shows, is it any wonder that some coppers are like they are though, being spat at and punched and kicked by complete arseholes.
Like I said, I wouldn't want to do their job, but am glad they do

[firebobby]

Wonder if hes the only one in the village

Want to find out big boy :kissy :lol

[zippy656]

I was thinking of Terrano owner

[solarman216]

I live in Bexhill 5 miles from Hastings drug city I think you would call it, and our bobbies are controlled from the Hastings lot, and seems to me there is no real enthusiasm in enforcing anything other than the motorist, Hastings for instance has many streets that ban the consumption of alcohol, yet all day you will see drunks consuming and police cars driving by, but park on a double yellow and a warden pops out from nowhere, there I have said my bit, Rick

[firebobby]

I was thinking of Terrano owner

Now you come to mention it, I think I am the only Terry owner in the village :)

[firebobby]

I live in Bexhill 5 miles from Hastings drug city I think you would call it, and our bobbies are controlled from the Hastings lot, and seems to me there is no real enthusiasm in enforcing anything other than the motorist, Hastings for instance has many streets that ban the consumption of alcohol, yet all day you will see drunks consuming and police cars driving by, but park on a double yellow and a warden pops out from nowhere, there I have said my bit, Rick

Rick, we have a pelican crossing in the village and it was nice to see a Police traffic car had stopped and was giving a driver a ticket for parking on the zigzags, (dangerous) We have a few travellers in the village and the vehicle in question was a van belonging to a traveller who normally gets away with a fair few things.
A child was hit by a car a few months back, while crossing at the pelican crossing, so I was very happy to see this idiot get his comeuppance.

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

victim less crime, not wearing belt, eh.

even in low speed accident you are more likely to suffer greater injuries without the
belt on. So you are you're own victim. You'll need more help from A&E. This all costs
us all.

Whats issue with it, been law long enough, one few thinks Jim did help fix, clunk click.

Imagine those that don't wear one are more likely to be committing other offences too,
only have to see the police camera action type progs to see people found to be drunk
too or unroadworthy.

[solarman216]

firebobby, please pay a visit to Hastings/Bexhill no one and I mean no one takes any notice of zigzags they are constantly being parked on as thou it is a space reserved for them and the police just drive past, I do not understand why as it is points on your licence, but maybe the fine is not enough to get them interested, Rick

[solarman216]

Thomas the T2 the only serious accident I have had in over a million miles of driving, had I been wearing a belt I would have lost my head, that is what the officer told me in hospital, I know nothing about it as an object came through the windscreen and KO'd me, so slumped across the steering wheel when the roof was torn off I survived, Rick

[solarman216]

Just as an add to this, and I am sure no figures are available to substantiate it, but how many near misses have you seen where people are trying to put their belt on once on the move, and another point is many people rely on belts, air bags, abs etc and so take risks that they would not otherwise take, food for thought, Rick

[briggie]

my opinion is ..... we all know its illegal to not wear a seatbelt ..... so we should be prepared for the consequences ..... whatever they may be .

[makeitfit]

I really can't be arsed to wright all the failings I've encountered with plod in non motoring events :o
BUT in all things motoring they've been nothing but an arse as is the law they uphold , mostly :(
"The motorist" is simply a cash cow, we're the wrong end of the UK stealth tax attack. Twats with drugs and bad dogs get fined but pay sod all. We have to pay or else the old licence gets fooked , simples :doh
I live in a village and have never seen a police man van or car hanging around for me to have a "chat" :lol
Mind you some poor soul daring to eat a twix while driving :eek: Pay the fooking fine you choco abuser "

[clivvy]

this is my point, I think generally this is the problem with the police. I am a bit harsh with them, because where I live AND the surrounding area (most of West Yorkshire) the Police are not approachable, nice or helpful - don't get me wrong, if one did turn up I'd be happy to talk to them, but you know, every time I have spoken to a police person its all doom and gloom and "nothing we can do" and "we are too busy" and "think yourself lucky" and " don't do anything or we will arrest you " bull crap.

I think THATS the general problem in many areas. I would LOVE to see the police enforcing some actual laws that make a difference, but no, what I keep reading in the paper is how the police fail the community and the excuse is always the same - red tape, paper work blah blah.

the government really needs to get its head out of its arse and let the police do what they want to do and fight actual real crime.

I understand road Traffic is a separate "department", but the law is the law, and I hate to see the police picking and choosing their "jobs". I understand its a hard job, but how can I support something so big, when it isn't supporting me? The last time I rang the police to help, I got no help.

[AD Ent]

victim less crime, not wearing belt, eh.

So you are you're own victim. You'll need more help from A&E. This all costs
us all.

Drunk and dissorderly is a crime. Urinating in the street is a crime. Have a look around a town near you tonight and tomorrow night and see how many 'law breaker's' get on the spot fines.... now have a look at how many ambulances, paramedics, doctors, nurses, police officers are needed. Services are overstretched at A&E.
You wont see any police officers sat outside pubs and clubs waiting to dish out fines for being drunk and dissorderly. More than likely assist them on their way to the next bar.

I dont have an issue with seat belts just the way its policed in relation to other law breaking.

[solarman216]

A while ago I and my family were travelling to Gatwick for a holiday, on the way the car in front of us in the early hours and some 100 mtrs away suddenly went haywire and ended up on the opposite side of a single carriageway and the engine bay burst into flames, we stopped on our side of the road hazards on and with a fire extinguisher rushed to help having told my daughter to ring 999 without opening the bonnet sprayed the powder best I could into the engine bay, fire extinguished, turns out he had run into the rear tyre of a slow moving tractor with poor lighting which explained the front of his motor going sky wards headlights and all, now we have a poorly lit tractor on the carriageway and a disabled motor not quite off the opposite road, we have torches and are slowing what little traffic there was safely, no problems at all (bearing in mind I used to be a heavy vehicle recovery operator so well used to this type of situation) along comes Mr plod who immediately reprimands me and and my son in law for what we are doing and instructs us to go back to our vehicle and stay there till he decides to come and interview us, yea right, I found the offended driver and gave him our details, got in our motor and continued our journey, we were not going to miss our plane, tractor driver was done by the way and rightly too, Rick

[makeitfit]

Drunk and dissorderly is a crime. Urinating in the street is a crime. Have a look around a town near you tonight and tomorrow night and see how many 'law breaker's' get on the spot fines.... now have a look at how many ambulances, paramedics, doctors, nurses, police officers are needed. Services are overstretched at A&E.
You wont see any police officers sat outside pubs and clubs waiting to dish out fines for being drunk and dissorderly. More than likely assist them on their way to the next bar.

I dont have an issue with seat belts just the way its policed in relation to other law breaking.
Where's the like button ?

[solarman216]

compare this to the 70's when we had a lorry with sheet steel shed its load on a main road on a twisty hill 20 tons of steel spread across the road and I am the recovery motor driver with a mate, all of the police guys present helped pick this stuff up a sheet at a time and load it onto another truck, the road A21 was shut completely till this was cleared, it was a blistering hot day and one of the officers went off and came back with 5 gallons of orange juice, but forgot cups so we removed the round lenses from the truck and trailer and drank from those, happy days, Rick

[AD Ent]

compare this to the 70's when we had a lorry with sheet steel shed its load on a main road on a twisty hill 20 tons of steel spread across the road and I am the recovery motor driver with a mate, all of the police guys present helped pick this stuff up a sheet at a time and load it onto another truck, the road A21 was shut completely till this was cleared, it was a blistering hot day and one of the officers went off and came back with 5 gallons of orange juice, but forgot cups so we removed the round lenses from the truck and trailer and drank from those, happy days, Rick

Love it. What a great anecdote

[macabethiel]

When I was a young Police Constable in 1971 driving a Panda Car in North Derbyshire I would attend vehicle accidents as they were then called on a regular basis.

Most were minor shunts that today would not qualify for Police attendance. I have vivid memories of the amount of blood there used to be when the front seat occupants had facial cuts from a shattered toughened windscreen as laminated ones were not the norm.

Once cleaned up at A&E the injuries were relatively superficial but for women in particular the scars were often carried for life. I left the service in 1973 re-joining in 1989 so I missed the introduction of compulsory seat belt 1983 ?

The screaming of women with blood all over their faces became a thing of dread for me when attending accidents during my first two years of service.

When I went back to Policing in 1988 even serious accidents were relatively blood and screaming free.

[melissachels]

Village, you say?

well, I don't know if good policing is selective, but round here we don't see anything you mention, ever. Huddersfield, Manchester, Birstall even Leeds, all the same, all towns or cities, so maybe villages get more support.

I'd say they do, used to live in the city & wasn't quite as quick as it it is in the village we have regular patrols up & round especially on fri/sat nights or neilston show week lol
think this is one of the few place where neds/chavs own wellies :lol:lol

[melissachels]

I really can't be arsed to wright all the failings I've encountered with plod in non motoring events :o
BUT in all things motoring they've been nothing but an arse as is the law they uphold , mostly :(
"The motorist" is simply a cash cow, we're the wrong end of the UK stealth tax attack. Twats with drugs and bad dogs get fined but pay sod all. We have to pay or else the old licence gets fooked , simples :doh
I live in a village and have never seen a police man van or car hanging around for me to have a "chat" :lol
Mind you some poor soul daring to eat a twix while driving :eek: Pay the fooking fine you choco abuser "

Not true it'll get whipped out your benefits like it or not, I personally phone up the PF & arranged to pay my fine off of my benefits.

as for police being twats only time i've been fined/arrested I've done something wrong so its my own fault really. Tho the arrest technically wasn't as I had no idea I was to go to court as I'd moved & ended up with a warrant out for me (unbeknownst to me) hence why they now have designated citation officers, cos too much police time was being taken up chasing warrants when the folk had no idea they were even to be at court, not saying that folk don't miss court appearances anyhow, I've never been man handled or brutalized but i don't give them grief, but yet my mates man was clotheslined off his bike yesterday on his way to work cos thats the route & times that junkies like to do they're drug runs but that was my experiences.

[jims-terrano]

I think one of the problems is the police are far out numbered by the population. The governments cuts have also hit numbers, resources and morale.
What dealings I've had with the police they've generally being pretty fair and pleasant people. I think they become hardened through their training and also the scum they have to deal with on a day to day basis.
I was involved in an accident earlier this year and happened almost in front of a couple of PCSO's on the beat. They couldn't of been more helpful to all of us involved.

[macabethiel]

I think one of the problems is the police are far out numbered by the population. The governments cuts have also hit numbers, resources and morale.
What dealings I've had with the police they've generally being pretty fair and pleasant people. I think they become hardened through their training and also the scum they have to deal with on a day to day basis.
I was involved in an accident earlier this year and happened almost in front of a couple of PCSO's on the beat. They couldn't of been more helpful to all of us involved.

Nice to hear Jim. Towards the end of my service I did a spell in Probationer Training and did some Field Training Support out on Division. I have to say I was impressed with many of the new recruits in particular some of the women officers who seemed to excel with communication and empathy skills and become excellent CID officers with an old head on young shoulders.

[Deano400]

I did 8 years as a bobby both in a rural area and an urban area and I joined to uphold law and fight crime. How naive I was. The stark reality is that most bobbies can't do just what they want as above. I'm not going to go into depth as to the whys and wherefores, there's just too much to write about the reasons the Police can't do enough/what they really want.
I got fed up of how it was going and I wasn't the only one, a few of my mates who also had a trade like me left too.

I will say one thing though, if you don't like it, why don't you join up and see what the job is really like? Face the public, deal with all the shit jobs and all that you complain about that aren't getting done. See how far you get.

It's not like "The Bill" you know.

[larson]

I think one of the problems is the police are far out numbered by the population. The governments cuts have also hit numbers, resources and morale.
What dealings I've had with the police they've generally being pretty fair and pleasant people. I think they become hardened through their training and also the scum they have to deal with on a day to day basis.
I was involved in an accident earlier this year and happened almost in front of a couple of PCSO's on the beat. They couldn't of been more helpful to all of us involved.

i disagree about police numbers.. the numbers are large enough but the fact they have a lot of paper work and some lazy police coupled by the specials talking out of turn telling all the estate things they should not just hinders them..

less paper work and bigger trunchons is the way to go imo people no longer fear the police and maybe they should



there are people who do p.a. work with good english and computer skills that could do an office job sifting through police paper work while the coppers pound the footpaths catching people that need to be locked up

[macabethiel]

He has paid, a tenner.

No he has not paid, anyway I might argue in my spare time !

[jims-terrano]

Interesting to see how this thread has developed and to see everyone's opinions and perceptions. One of the few times in life that we actually truly have freedom of speech.

[macabethiel]

I did 8 years as a bobby both in a rural area and an urban area and I joined to uphold law and fight crime. How naive I was. The stark reality is that most bobbies can't do just what they want as above. I'm not going to go into depth as to the whys and wherefores, there's just too much to write about the reasons the Police can't do enough/what they really want.
I got fed up of how it was going and I wasn't the only one, a few of my mates who also had a trade like me left too.

I will say one thing though, if you don't like it, why don't you join up and see what the job is really like? Face the public, deal with all the shit jobs and all that you complain about that aren't getting done. See how far you get.

It's not like "The Bill" you know.

Too right Deano : its a fact that many young officers watched "The Bill" and joined up on that basis and that's before we were Policing by Objectives, Targets etc. These days if you have not done a spell in the Specials you struggle to get through the paper sift yet alone interview stage.

The real change during my service was the effect of hard drugs particularly Heroin. 25 years ago you would get one Heroin addict every 2 months through the custody block. At the end of my service over half of the prisoners on a daily basis were addicts or people with serious mental health problems. When they shut so many Mental Hospitals they improved life for some patients but many ended in and out of prison due to lack of support and resources.

Its the Social Workers that seem to get no support from the Press and like the Police are blamed for our social problems or are blamed when a baby dies. Sadly many of the "Fly on the Wall" TV programmes are edited so much for entertainment that they do not illustrate the real problems amongst the population.

[clivvy]

nobody is saying we could do better, we pay taxes and the government sorts it for us. I wouldn't be chosen to be a police officer anyway, so the old "do it yourself then" is really irrelevant. Like everyone else who pays taxes, we EXPECT to get what we are forced to pay for, and that includes protection in the form of the police and the law. We don't expect unfairness, persecution and no protection. I don't expect to be treated badly by police officers, just because THEY tar me with the same brush as twats who break the law.

increasingly I think, people don't feel protected anymore. I find a lot of people generally feel the police aren't there to help, that the police aren't interested in "youre petty problem". Like getting your house burgled...the police don't give a shit, there is always an excuse. Every crime is less bad than the next. Petty crime affect so many people for example, and it shakes some people up, but I fail to see how being burgled or having your car nicked is petty crime these days-and that's what I have heard a lot of police officers in our area think. Like if I go out and get smacked in the face, then report it to the police, I have NO DOUBT nothing will be done, the excuse will certainly be "there is nothing we can do" AND if I videoed it, id probably get arrested for videoing it without the assailants consent.

[larson]

nobody is saying we could do better, we pay taxes and the government sorts it for us. I wouldn't be chosen to be a police officer anyway, so the old "do it yourself then" is really irrelevant. Like everyone else who pays taxes, we EXPECT to get what we are forced to pay for, and that includes protection in the form of the police and the law. We don't expect unfairness, persecution and no protection. I don't expect to be treated badly by police officers, just because THEY tar me with the same brush as twats who break the law.

increasingly I think, people don't feel protected anymore. I find a lot of people generally feel the police aren't there to help, that the police aren't interested in "youre petty problem". Like getting your house burgled...the police don't give a shit, there is always an excuse. Every crime is less bad than the next. Petty crime affect so many people for example, and it shakes some people up, but I fail to see how being burgled or having your car nicked is petty crime these days-and that's what I have heard a lot of police officers in our area think. Like if I go out and get smacked in the face, then report it to the police, I have NO DOUBT nothing will be done, the excuse will certainly be "there is nothing we can do" AND if I videoed it, id probably get arrested for videoing it without the assailants consent.

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[macabethiel]

nobody is saying we could do better, we pay taxes and the government sorts it for us. I wouldn't be chosen to be a police officer anyway, so the old "do it yourself then" is really irrelevant. Like everyone else who pays taxes, we EXPECT to get what we are forced to pay for, and that includes protection in the form of the police and the law. We don't expect unfairness, persecution and no protection. I don't expect to be treated badly by police officers, just because THEY tar me with the same brush as twats who break the law.

increasingly I think, people don't feel protected anymore. I find a lot of people generally feel the police aren't there to help, that the police aren't interested in "youre petty problem". Like getting your house burgled...the police don't give a shit, there is always an excuse. Every crime is less bad than the next. Petty crime affect so many people for example, and it shakes some people up, but I fail to see how being burgled or having your car nicked is petty crime these days-and that's what I have heard a lot of police officers in our area think. Like if I go out and get smacked in the face, then report it to the police, I have NO DOUBT nothing will be done, the excuse will certainly be "there is nothing we can do" AND if I videoed it, id probably get arrested for videoing it without the assailants consent.

Well just one final post from me on this subject.

The origins of the Police can be traced back to the Peelers who replaced the Hue and Cry.

Police Officers are made up from normal members of society who apply to join.

We have some corrupt officers, some lazy, some officious, some rude, some brilliant, some average, some above average etc etc the composition is a reflection of the society they police albeit under represented in some ethnic areas.

If you are going to moan about modern Policing then in the long view you have yourselves to blame - we get the police we deserve and the media are rarely interested in a job well done.

I was assaulted about 3 times during my 27 years in the job and never made an injury on duty claim or took sick leave as a consequence.

Now its the norm to go off sick for a week to make your injury on duty claim look valid and a payout from the CICB.
Can you see the link with our litigation obsessed culture ?

Everyone wants the Police and Social workers to pick up society's mess and bleat about how they are paid to do the work and should do it properly for the money the taxpayer gives them.

We would not need Social Workers if our society was not fractured but the State is no good at childcare. Viz the recent case where a Child was virtually starved to death and no one took any action until he died.

Join the Specials give up your spare time and make a difference by providing the police attitude we all crave for.

Right I am off my soap box now................

[Deano400]

nobody is saying we could do better, we pay taxes and the government sorts it for us. I wouldn't be chosen to be a police officer anyway, so the old "do it yourself then" is really irrelevant. Like everyone else who pays taxes, we EXPECT to get what we are forced to pay for, and that includes protection in the form of the police and the law. We don't expect unfairness, persecution and no protection. I don't expect to be treated badly by police officers, just because THEY tar me with the same brush as twats who break the law.

increasingly I think, people don't feel protected anymore. I find a lot of people generally feel the police aren't there to help, that the police aren't interested in "youre petty problem". Like getting your house burgled...the police don't give a shit, there is always an excuse. Every crime is less bad than the next. Petty crime affect so many people for example, and it shakes some people up, but I fail to see how being burgled or having your car nicked is petty crime these days-and that's what I have heard a lot of police officers in our area think. Like if I go out and get smacked in the face, then report it to the police, I have NO DOUBT nothing will be done, the excuse will certainly be "there is nothing we can do" AND if I videoed it, id probably get arrested for videoing it without the assailants consent.

Actually you are not tarred with the same brush as the scumbags, that's just utter cobblers. And I never met a bobby who thought people had "Petty" problems except the ones who really did have non Police related problems. Please remember there are people out there that are just attention seekers too.
Yes, you've heard it all before and no you won't believe it but I'm gonna say it anyway because I know it to be true. There are places and times when there are next to no Police available. Would it shock you to know that one new years eve I was the only Bobby working ? Yes, New years eve when people get drunk and there are lots of domestics. Did I have to be very careful knowing that my backup was at least 10-15 minutes away and in that time I could easily get a good hiding. You're damn right I did, but I couldn't just hide in the station you know !
I did my fair share of attending, investigating and catching criminals and I did my fair share of ticketing motorists and I'm not ashamed of it. I literally arrested hundreds of people in the fairly short time I was a copper.
I dealt with accidents, sudden deaths, death messages, burglars, murderers, people beaten up and a fantastic number of domestics, kids causing nuisance and missing people and one dog locked in a boiling car !
I helped people with directions, I gave first aid, I even got people into cars they'd locked themselves out of.
I spent many of my hours on nights out of my car sneaking round looking for burglars and catching them I might add. And I also got assaulted many times.
I put up with scumbags sitting opposite my house intimidating my wife just by being there.
I was never petty, I did a damn good job and I loved helping people that's one of the reasons I joined and why I got out because I couldn't do that properly anymore. I took many people to court who basically got off with a slap on the wrist and I'm talking burglars thieves and thugs here. But do I hear of anyone on here sayig that magistrates/courts/punishment guidelines are poor?
The job is a mostly thankless task but along with the unpleasant memories I still have the good ones, of walking round in shirtsleeves in summer chatting to people who loved to see a bobby on the beat ( I walked many miles ) and the thrill of the chase and bringing criminals in and the camerarderie.

And I know how the argument goes, if you are so busy/undermanned how come you have time to ticket innocent motorists ? I'm not saying that there isn't a minute ever free from other duties, but picture this, what if we said ok no one is gonna bother with road traffic law anymore? Just get on with it and do your own thing. That wouldn't work out so well.

Complain all you want but remember they are there in the backgrond 24 hours a day often watching us as and our families as we all sleep and will put their lives on the line for you if necessary, if only there were more bobbies, less paperwork and no ridiculous government targets. Try also to remember they are human beings and most of them are trying to do a job with enormous restrictions on how they do it.

Anyway, I've been here before and I know the usual outcome of the discussion and most of you will be saying blah blah blah.

[firebobby]

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[jims-terrano]

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[AD Ent]

blah blah blah :bobby:

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[TONUP]

blah blah blah :bobby:

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Surely you mean.... Nee naw nee naw :)

Alan

[zippy656]

Well said Deano

But you cant ticket innocent motorists. Only the one on there phone, speeding ect.


Its a simple thing follow the rules, or dont play. ( my mums saying, think she was talking about monomplay, the fits driving too)