Failed mot

[jims-terrano]

Well she's failed:doh

Track Rod End
Brake Pipe
Headlamp Aim

Both Sills Inner and Outers.

Dunno what to do now, half tempted to call it end of the road. Fetching it back from garage later this afternoon.

[Fez_uk]

is that all? Easy to fix.

[arcascomp]

That's not too much to get through Jim, just need to find someone handy with a welder to patch up the sills, everything else is normal wear and tear.

Don't despair, your T2 will love you for the fix up!

[exosteve]

I think you should scrap it.
Ill buy it:lol

[jims-terrano]

Well here's pretty much what it says on the fail sheet for the welding. I'm worried that there wont be much to weld to if you see what I mean. A friend of mine has said he'll do welding for me and he has done in the past and a cracking job he's done too. Does anyone know how close brake and fuel lines are to the inner sill on the os? I'm still struggling at the moment so can't even get under to have a look and see for my self.

NS Inner Body Sill Seatbelt Anchorage prescribed area
OS Front Inner Sill vehicle structure has excessive Corrosion within 30cm of body mountings
NS as above
Advisory for OS Inner Body Sill Seat Belt Anchorage prescribed area

[ste68blue]

Sorry to hear about the MOT, i agree dont despair, what you have described is an easy fix.

The brake and fuel lines run down the off side and are secured to the chassis rail and not the sills.

I repaired/ replaced my inner and outer sills last year and my recommendation would be dont just patch a little bit up as it will rot somewhere else, i removed and re-plated from the rear wheel arch to half way down the door, so about half the sill, its as easy to do that as it is to stick little patches on and much stronger and longer lasting.

Good luck with the repair

[puddle hoppers inc.]

sorry to hear, may be advertise on here for a mobile welder? good luck.

[rustic]

Dunno what to do now, half tempted to call it end of the road. Fetching it back from garage later this afternoon.
Hi Jim, sorry to hear the bad news.
Well it seems the concensus of opinion is that it is easily repairable.
Once you find a decent local welder.:nenau
As these areas are well known rust areas, then you shouldn't feel too disappointed.

If you can say get it fixed for £365 then it would only be a pound a day.
Pro rata for higher fixing price.

So when you look at it that way, it is cheap motoring.

I did consider spending that much recently on a new fuel tank, but my tightness prevailed and I found a good one for £30

It is when things start costing money time after time, and it is knowing when to quit is the problem.

But if the rest of the motor is sound then go for it.
I use the principle, that I would gladly drive a journey of 500 miles round trip at the drop of a hat without fear of issues of reliability, if you feel the same then it is worth sorting.

If you fear doing a 100 mile round trip, then the time to scrap it must be near.

best of luck,
Richard
(Rustic)

[larson]

im welding it saturday and it will not cost him anything.. only issue is i need it all done saturday as i have had to move something to fit it in and im not going to have more time for 5 weeks when i get 10 days off work.. my other problem is if anything is in need of stripping back jim cant do it so it will eat up in to my 1 day

but at least he can be the fire warden:D

[briggie]

looks like its gonna be sorted mate :thumb2

[jims-terrano]

Yeah she's gonna get fixed up and passed the MOT. Hopefully I should be in a better place a little later this year and all recovered. It's just come at a bad time but when is a good time. Cheers Larson I owe you big time dude:thumb2

I think the fail sheet makes it sound worse than it actually is. Hardest bit will be inner sills, I'll get my young un to help me get carpet lifted.

Cheers Guys

[briggie]

get him to paint the underside in hammerite too jim :thumb2

[trophymick]

im welding it saturday and it will not cost him anything.. only issue is i need it all done saturday as i have had to move something to fit it in and im not going to have more time for 5 weeks when i get 10 days off work.. my other problem is if anything is in need of stripping back jim cant do it so it will eat up in to my 1 day

but at least he can be the fire warden:D

What a kind gesture, you are a true gentleman.:clap :thumbs



Mick

[ste68blue]

That truly is a great thing to do.
As far as lifting the carpet, when i did mine i did it on my own and didnt lift anything inside as the inner or outer sills are not near the inner part of the floor...

Good luck with the re-test

[stinka]

What a kind gesture, you are a true gentleman.:clap :thumbs



Mick

Seconded. Legend !

[solarman216]

Yes well done Larson, great to be part of this group I say, been there done it all but not so able now, Rick

[TONUP]

Yes. Giving up your Saturday to help someone in this manner is a very selfless thing to do, and I stand in admiration of you.

Regards

Alan

[rustic]

I am really impressed on the generosity of the members of this site to their fellow members.

Many of whom have never met each other.
A local member even volunteered to remove a fuel tank for me from a scrapper local to him. I didn't take up the offer as I had a couple to look at.
This was a genuine offer.

Where as some members can help with hands on help, thanks must also go to those members who take time out to take photographs of their repairs, and those that spend time looking up information from both digital manuals and paper copies and providing this information for all to see. Thanks too to all those that troll through older posts and refer and provide links to those. It all takes time and is appreciated by all the members.

I am not naming any names, as most members on this site have made a major contributions in this way.
To name a few would mean missing out all the others who have made similar contributions.

This is another example of what makes this club great.
The main thing is... It's members.:clap:clap:clap


Best regards,

Richard
(Rustic)

[Terranical]

:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap

[firebobby]

It's what makes a club, a great club

[jims-terrano]

Hi Guy's just an update. Larson has worked like a trooper today, he's got the NS Inner Sill near the seatbelt mount sorted.

Here's the but and it is a big but, the front of the inner sills at both sides is badly rusted out. It's where the A Posts and everything come together. As you poke around with fingers the holes were just getting bigger and bigger. Poor Larson had to go so we couldn't touch these but we think that it's coming to the end of the road with the car now. I personally now think that the garage repair bill will out weigh what the car is worth now and that is if they'll repair such extreme damage.

So my dilemma is should I chuck it in PX as soon as possible but money is tight or should I hope the garage can repair for us but it'll still need to go. Thing is that it has private plates on that I want to keep and it's cheaper and easier to swop car to car rather than pay the retention fee which os more than changing from car to car. Due to this it's easier to buy from a dealer and I hate selling privately.

What's your thoughts?

By the way I'm extremely grateful to Larson he's a top bloke.

[clivvy]

dunno mate. tricky. You could have it fixed but over a longer period of time i.e. let the MOT pass - that's IF Martin can finish the welding. If not, then the garage bill will certainly be extensive if the metal is that bad where you showed me. Its all about how awkward it is to weld, and if its worth it.

Problem is, as it is you cant realistically get a decent part x without declaring the problem (because of the MOT failure sheet), but then again a garage doing a part x might not have any problem doing the welding themselves to sell it on.

Personally, I think its time to move on mate. I had to make the same decision. Yeah, I could have had mine welded....but then I couldn't afford it and potentially would have had yet more to do in the near future-which is the same position you are in now.

have a think, but be positive. If you do partx it or sell it on, then you are on the market to get something new.

[jims-terrano]

Well the way I look at it clivvy is that PX it's worth bugger all with an MOT or without. I'm pretty certain that if the garage will repair the rust then with the other bits it'll be a £500 bill I'm sure. £500 will go a long way towards something else. A garage will only give a couple of hundred at best for a 17 year old car I would of thought. As I've explained to Mrs is that in my opinion if we were involved in an accident at motorway speeds the car would simply split open and I can't allow that to happen.

[cncfabs]

Well the way I look at it clivvy is that PX it's worth bugger all with an MOT or without. I'm pretty certain that if the garage will repair the rust then with the other bits it'll be a £500 bill I'm sure. £500 will go a long way towards something else. A garage will only give a couple of hundred at best for a 17 year old car I would of thought. As I've explained to Mrs is that in my opinion if we were involved in an accident at motorway speeds the car would simply split open and I can't allow that to happen.

If you take it to an mot garage they will do the minimum they have to to get it through the mot ie shove plate over the rust and weld it up.You will pay the £500 and find yourself in much worse state next year.Only way you will get job done properly is either do it yourself or get someone you know to do it.Ive been welder fabricator for almost 30 years(I dont weld cars) never seen good welding job done by car mechanic.With no mot will still fetch reasonable price for someone who wants to break it.

[clivvy]

yup, as ever its just bad timing and money mate. I reckon you should start thinking about a partx or something. If you got the car fully welded up and good, then how much is the car worth then? hard to say, probably £1500 maybe?

[jims-terrano]

Well I reckon £1500 is a bit optimistic, I can't do much tomorrow so will probably take it down to the garage and see how much they say and take it from there.
Can't replace it in a hurry as such yet, that'll depend upon Mrs and money.

All I know is that it would break my heart to break it though I know that'll happen by someone else. Had the car 11 years.

[clivvy]

thing is, you may be forced into getting rid. If you get the work done, itll cost, but then you have a part x candidate or sell it. If you cant afford the work, then its just going to sit there and you wont be able to drive it, in which case you can sell or break for spares!

[jims-terrano]

I can afford to fix it that's not the problem. It's being able to lay my hands on enough cash for a replacement at the moment. Wifes way of thinking is to get it fixed and px next spring time. Time to sleep will worry about it another day me thinks.
Larson did a cracking job on the centre section of the inner sill though but took a lot longer than we were expecting. It would be a real shame to waste that I have to say.

[makeitfit]

Such a shame your so far from us , have you seen the state of mine :eek:
The boy and me could sort it over a couple of weekends :sly
See here for rot :eek:
http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18382

[clivvy]

I can afford to fix it that's not the problem. It's being able to lay my hands on enough cash for a replacement at the moment. Wifes way of thinking is to get it fixed and px next spring time. Time to sleep will worry about it another day me thinks.
Larson did a cracking job on the centre section of the inner sill though but took a lot longer than we were expecting. It would be a real shame to waste that I have to say.

ohh I see:thumbs then yeah, get the car fixed and all will be well!

[jims-terrano]

Yeah just been reading your thread. My wheel arch was plated up a couple of years ago. Where mine has rotted out you must of cut out to fit your sill rock slider things. At the moment I'm still not fit enough to crawl under to look at it properly, tried it this afternoon and still suffering.
If time was on my side I'd pull it off the road and rip the sills out and have something like yours fabricated.

[jims-terrano]

ohh I see:thumbs then yeah, get the car fixed and all will be well!

I think that's probably what I'll do to put us on until spring next year.

[jims-terrano]

All sorted out another 12 month ticket on her. My gratitude to Larson for the welding at the weekend, top bloke:thumbs.

[firebobby]

Good news Jim :thumb2

[trophymick]

All sorted out another 12 month ticket on her. My gratitude to Larson for the welding at the weekend, top bloke:thumbs.



It's a nice warm feeling, excellent news.:clap





Mick

[rustic]

All sorted out another 12 month ticket on her. My gratitude to Larson for the welding at the weekend, top bloke:thumbs.

Great news:thumb2:thumb2