3.0 or 2.7? [Archive] - :::.Nissan 4x4 Owners Club.:::

exosteve

17-12-2012, 15:35

hi peeps. my name is steve and im looking and have been for a while for a terrano.
im unsure wether to go for the 2.7 or the 3.0 deisel manual.
ive priced my insurance and theres only 90 quid in it.
is the tax more expencive on the 3L?
are they all gear driven and not cambelt?
and Iv read the 3L is slightly better on fuel ( which doesnt make sence to me.)
we have had to consolidate this year letting our motor home go then crashing my car. so we decided we wanted one vehicle thats good for work(window cleaning.I know its high up to get ladders on!)
and also with plenty of room for camping gear. but not only that we wanted a toy too. and what better toy than to go places other vehicles cant get too, off roading and of course it means i can get to wales in deep snow for winter mountaineering.
I dont like the idea of towing a caravan so it wont need to pull much weight.
any help or advice will be greatly aprecciated.
steve

rayf3262

17-12-2012, 15:46

I have a 3.0 di with 120,000 miles on it.
its an auto and averages around 26~28 MPG, which are mostly sub 10 mile journeys, so I'm happy with that.
I think the reason for the supposed better fuel consumption may be down to the fact that the 3.0 is direct injection and has a 16 valve head.:nenau
The cam on the ZD30 engine is chain driven.

Fez_uk

17-12-2012, 15:49

2.7tdi anyday.

stinka

17-12-2012, 16:07

2.7tdi anyday.

This.

firebobby

17-12-2012, 16:16

Had both and although I had no complaints with the 2.7, I like my 3.0l better, just returned from a trip to Belgium, I filled up when I left home (not brimmed ) and did just shy of 450 miles before I filled up again, it was just on the red, I sat at 65 to 70 mph (satnav) and the car just ate the miles.

supergnome

17-12-2012, 16:17

If you have ladders get the LWB. Alot on here use cooking oil which you can' t use in the 3.0. Road tax is on age, You can get vans if its for business use but not for the family. Both good motors. David.

firebobby

17-12-2012, 16:29

Agree with above, the tax is a bit higher from 2000 onwards and 2006 onwards is when the £450 tax on large engines comes in.

The omissions on the 3.0 are less than the 2.7 but not enough to put it into a lower band.

Do check the under side of anything your looking at as they do rust, just check through the postings on here.

exosteve

17-12-2012, 17:42

thanks for the replies peeps. im still not sure which one to go for and by the replys there doesnt seem much in it anyway.
I nearly brought one from a farm but realised it was looking a bit rusty on the chasis.
the search continues. im hoping to get one by this weekend so we can get out over xmas.but realise my choice is not to be rushed as im looking for a motor to keep for (hopefully) many years
steve

rustic

17-12-2012, 18:01

Mine is the older 2.7 td, nearly had it 18 years from new.
So why change it.:nenau

Best vehicle I have ever owned.
Last year I spent £6.50 on it...
That was for a new screen pump.

3 years ago, new tail section for the exhaust
4 years ago 2 new glow plugs, only £7.00 each for the td version.

The expense.

This year...
Hmm...
Oh, a new bulb for behind the digital clock, even then I already had a few spares from our other car.

Other than service items... Nothing:thumb2

CaptLimey

17-12-2012, 18:17

Hi Steve
I've had both a 2.7 and now have a 3ltr. My preference is by far for the 3ltr. It is more powerful and more economical. That is if you don't want to use veg oil. However beware of gearbox trouble indicated by a whine in the higher gears. There are several threads on here relating to the subject. I had to replace the gearbox on my 2.7 and the 3ltr box was rebuilt by the dealer I bought it from before I would accept it. I have also had to replace the rear axle on the 3ltr when I heard exceptional bearing noise in forward drive. I believe, however, that was an exceptional occurence as the axles are normally 'bullet proof'. Beware also of rust around the top of the front wheel arches where the plastic trim is mounted, the rear seat belt mounts, which you can see from under the rear wheel arches and the lower inner part of the front wings, just below where the lower door hinge attaches. Apart from those issues the T2 is a great truck, you'll love it and when you buy one join up and pay your tenner - you'll save that just by downloading the workshop manual!
Regards CL

stinka

17-12-2012, 18:20

The 2.7 engine has a gear driven cam, it has nothing to go wrong apart from the electrics which are very simple, it's fitted to a London black cab and will do over 500k if serviced

Mines done 145k and is like new, starts first flick, no smoke, no oil consumption, a few lads here have 180k+ and have the same story

3.0 has more complex electronics and has a timing chain that can be troublesome, not many reports of trouble free star ship mileage with the 3.0 if any ?

If your buying a 100k mile used truck IMHO you buy the 2.7

If I was buying new more so if it was a company car I'd have the 3.0

96terrano

17-12-2012, 18:51

Fraccie

17-12-2012, 19:13

not even tires oil etc?? or are you talking about non service parts?

You put tyres on any car you own and oil in any car you own.

No point in counting items like that, same with exhausts, parts that wear do so on any car.

exosteve

17-12-2012, 19:17

ive maybe got upto 3k max.
im just looking at an 03 plate going for 3500 but he may do deal but its auto.
are autos any good off road?

stinka

17-12-2012, 19:23

ive maybe got upto 3k max.
im just looking at an 03 plate going for 3500 but he may do deal but its auto.
are autos any good off road?

Autos are fine off road, some prefer them as u never lose traction when changing gear like on a hill climb, personally I'd never have an auto as I prefer manual, it's very much down to personal preference

£3500 is top whack for an 03, it would need to be immaculate from a dealer

I'd be looking on eBay and auto trader, I've seen really nice 04/05 2.7 sports go for that kind of money, just beware of when the road tax changes as its like £400 a year after 05 iirc

stinka

17-12-2012, 19:27

I paid £2200 for my '02 sport Lwb 10 months ago.

Tbh looking on eBay they seem to have gone up on value again :D but those dealers are dreaming IMO.

stinka

17-12-2012, 19:31

This near u ?

http://item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/viewitem?itemId=251183734541&kw=251183734541

Just buy that tbh, looks mint

stinka

17-12-2012, 19:38

Another one:

http://item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/viewitem?itemId=221158174855&kw=221158174855

I am partial to the sport model :D

stinka

17-12-2012, 19:40

Another minter :

http://item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/viewitem?itemId=170917515157&kw=170917515157

exosteve

17-12-2012, 20:10

got all of the above on my watch list. the second one is a cat d as it has a rear end shunt. the first one looks stuning.
there is a green one near blackpool going for 2.850 whos already said yes to 2.6 maybe push to 2.5k 12 mths mot just serviced ect.
ive got to wittle my list down as im watching about 20 trucks.
but i have got to be cautious as my last car cost me 1500 for 3 mths motoring and ended up selling it for spares for 300 quid.thats expencive motoring.
this is all my money so i have to get it right.
this is a great website and ive learnt loads already.
we live and play near the peak district and look forward to lots of fun on gentle lanes with some peeps from here maybe
steve

stinka

17-12-2012, 20:17

That first one does look fantastic pal, hpi it, have good look for rot and crash damage, if its ok, bite his hand off

exosteve

17-12-2012, 20:44

your right thats drop dead georgous.
but.
3k is what ive got he would have to bring it down a bit.
And I wouldnt like to hoover it out after my very molty golden labarador had been in it not to mention food stains from kids and using it as a works canteen.so im thinking leather uphostery for quick wipe over.
I think we need the roof bars rather than a roof rack as i could fit a roller on the back end to ease putting ladders on.
and I would like a towbar already fitted. not to tow a caravan but I want a big tent and mybe buy a trailer.
im planning on going to see this car130811887420.
it looks very clean,its just serviced with full 12 mth ticket good milage and he said 2.6 would do the deal.
its got all we need from a truck already. if you look at the tow bar it looks like new which is a good indication of the underside of the car.
what do you think?
cheers steve

stinka

17-12-2012, 20:52

http://item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/viewitem?itemId=130811887420&kw=130811887420

It is tidy, body is anyway. Personally I'd not pay 2600 for a y plate.

For me £2k would be dear, especially as members have paid £1500 for a tidy x plate recently

It really is up to you tho

exosteve

17-12-2012, 20:56

glad I joined this site before i brought one.i will take everything into consideration.
I dont think the time of year is helping as all the dealers expect people to dash out and get a cheap 4x4 for the freeze.
maybe if i hold on a while and the weather doesnt come ill get a better deal.
steve

exosteve

17-12-2012, 21:32

I am tempted offer my full buget of 3k on your last suggestion.it looks like it will last me 10 years

stinka

17-12-2012, 21:33

This has just come on :

http://item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/viewitem?itemId=160942010116&kw=160942010116

stinka

17-12-2012, 21:36

I am tempted offer my full buget of 3k on your last suggestion.it looks like it will last me 10 years

Aye the one in Doncaster, it looks mint tbf, 1 owner full history, right money, I'd be tempted mate :)

exosteve

18-12-2012, 21:35

doncaster one accepted 3k. its got no mot or tax though.
steve

stinka

18-12-2012, 21:39

Why no mot ?

exosteve

18-12-2012, 22:49

he made mistake on advert. its got 12 mths mot. and ive dvla checked it.
got to get all my pennies together now.
steve

stinka

19-12-2012, 00:12

That looks like a cracking truck mate, keep us posted !

spiderpig37

19-12-2012, 15:51

Be careful entering doncaster with 3k its like bandit country:lol
Where about in donny is it?

supergnome

19-12-2012, 16:19

DN5 7EF or https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en

Not exactly Donny town.

rustic

19-12-2012, 20:41

not even tires oil etc?? or are you talking about non service parts?

When I wrote "other than service items" in my last post I meant that I didn't include oil, filters etc. not even fuel:augie

It hasn't needed tyres during this time, and the ones on will last a few more seasons yet.

The battery has a few years left in it, also the discs, pads and rear drums will be fine.

I adjusted the front wheel bearings 18 months ago, still originals too.

rhume

19-12-2012, 21:32

Bought mine two weeks ago off Ebay. Looked for months for a good one.

It was an 04 3Litre auto (wanted auto for towing / manouvering large van). It was the SVE so black leather (leather looks like new unlike a lot of them)auto changer etc. Black leather meant silver dash not plastiwood.:lol

Got it for £3K with 12 months MOT and 6 months Tax.

Have been very pleased. Only problem so far is sheared pin on Transfer box stick preventing getting low ratio. I like to have a good fettle anyway. Think dealers are putting on winter premium but not getting it tho.

Good luck.

Kamsin

20-12-2012, 11:50

Iv got 2 of the 2.7's I have a Maverick and a Terrano. Love them both paid £1,200 for the Mav on a 97 plate and £1,500 for the Terry on an X plate.
I run them both on cooking oil the Mav on about 30% and the Terry at about 80% as its got a better starter motor on it.

One of them is being taken off the road in Jan to be fully tricked up, its going to have a lot of time spent on it and all the bits i want to get done, my only problem is i just can not decide which one yet :doh

exosteve

23-12-2012, 02:27

got one! at last ive got a terrano,
merry christmas everyone.
steve jac n skye.

firebobby

23-12-2012, 10:19

got one! at last ive got a terrano,
merry christmas everyone.
steve jac n skye.

What did you go for in the end

stinka

23-12-2012, 10:32

Pics !

exosteve

23-12-2012, 21:38

its christmas. it feels like christmas and to top it all off the terrano is a wicked xmas pressie.
weve been stuck in crappy stoke on trent for 5 weeks without a car.
tommorow were having a bod up buxton to get some fresh sping water.(we brew beer and that water is great)and a good bit of fresh air and away from the shops.
we will perhaps cut through a few green lanes on the way home.
as for the truck.
it ended up I couldnt get the 3k together (xmas time)
and I got the green over champagne 2.7 se+ 2001 for 2.4 (maybe over priced but wasnt prepared wait till the winter was over to get one)
I was very scared on buying as I know nothing about mechanics.
I was concerned about the clocks saying 47k miles. i was concerned about the smoke out the exaust on starting.
but it seems ok.
the clocks had been replaced as i know its a common fault with these trucks.
its done 87k got more paper work than comes with my house.
it drove mint all the way home and i love it to bits.
and a big bonus is the fact its got 7 seats. its been the first time ive been able to fetch all my grandchildren and kids in one go
(44 with 3 grandkids should be against the law)
steve

firebobby

23-12-2012, 21:42

Well done, sound like a good one, but do have a look at all the areas that these can rust in and get plenty of protection on her:thumb2

exosteve

23-12-2012, 22:03

after having 2 motors to look after, insure,tax and then going to just one for everything.
we are free to put all our efforts and finance into one truck.
it will be waxoiled rust treated and well maintained.
I already want the spot light bar that goes abouve the windscreen with small hunt lamps on.
bf goodridge tyres.
maybe snorkle winch ect
and most of all. Having a motor thats part of your family you dont mind repairing it and spending your hard earned on it.
steve