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Hi Guys
After a set of roof rails for my '97 Maverick SWB, I'm not sure of there is any difference between the LWB and the SWB ones but logic would tell me they are slightly longer maybe?
Also a Bull Bar for my Mav, Chrome or Black I don't really mind
Cheers
Hi Guys
After a set of roof rails for my '97 Maverick SWB, I'm not sure of there is any difference between the LWB and the SWB ones but logic would tell me they are slightly longer maybe?
Also a Bull Bar for my Mav, Chrome or Black I don't really mind
Cheers
Ive got some swb roof rails
(RIP) PLANK
09-09-2012, 11:08
LWB ones are longer but do fit a SWB, has LWB ones on his SWB have a look at his pics and see what you think.:nenau
LWB ones are longer but do fit a SWB, has LWB ones on his SWB have a look at his pics and see what you think.:nenau
Who was it that has the LWB ones on mate, you didn't include it in the post
96terrano
09-09-2012, 17:58
I think it was fez UK but I'm not 100% sure. I'll try and find the thread
I think it was fez UK but I'm not 100% sure. I'll try and find the thread
Good man :)
96terrano
09-09-2012, 18:01
FOUND IT :D
http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12706&highlight=roof+rails
Ive got some swb roof rails
What we talking mate including a courier cause I aint coming down there to you lol
FOUND IT :D
http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12706&highlight=roof+rails
Thanks for that but not sure it looks right :/, the front where they attach seems to have a big gap between the roof that seems to just be bridged by sealant, without a closer look I couldn't be sure but I think I'll just go for the ones cncfabs has for sale
makeitfit
09-09-2012, 22:07
What we talking mate including a courier cause I aint coming down there to you lol
Thanks for that but not sure it looks right :/, the front where they attach seems to have a big gap between the roof that seems to just be bridged by sealant, without a closer look I couldn't be sure but I think I'll just go for the ones cncfabs has for sale
I did mine and pics in my link. There's rubber gasket under the foot and that takes the shape of the roof. The trick is to use the LWB roof rackback to front on a SWB. The idea is to get the rails forward enough to carry a bar on which to fit your roof lights and for them to brighten up the topography not the roof :lol
that big gap you say is bridged is not it's metal, these are standard LWB rails but As makeitfit says they are turned around. I copied makeitfit.
I can take some closer pics of it if you like.
The SWB rails are so short it's not really worth having them.
96terrano
09-09-2012, 22:23
Here's something to get the imagination going, swb rails on a lwb...:rolleyes:
(RIP) PLANK
10-09-2012, 10:25
Who was it that has the LWB ones on mate, you didn't include it in the post
sorry I am sure i typed makeitfit, it must be my age :doh
The idea is to get the rails forward enough to carry a bar on which to fit your roof lights and for them to brighten up the topography not the roof :lol
I'm so glad you've brought that up as I wondered if that would be the case, how much further back do the SWB ones sit as opposed to the LWB ones as I want them as far forward as possible so as you say, I'm lighting up what's in front and not the roof, I actually want to use them rather than them just being used for show
that big gap you say is bridged is not it's metal, these are standard LWB rails but As makeitfit says they are turned around. I copied makeitfit.
I can take some closer pics of it if you like.
The SWB rails are so short it's not really worth having them.
Some pics would be awesome matey :)
makeitfit
10-09-2012, 12:01
Here's a close up of mine and the light plug/skt
http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv36/daudwpsyn/04082009535.jpg
The front of the foot is about 50 - 60mm back from windscreen :thumbs
Here's a close up of mine and the light plug/skt
http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv36/daudwpsyn/04082009535.jpg
The front of the foot is about 50 - 60mm back from windscreen :thumbs
I like it apart from the dents lol, where did you get the "Ford" cross bar from?
makeitfit
10-09-2012, 12:58
I like it apart from the dents lol, where did you get the "Ford" cross bar from?
Dents 'cause I parked it on it's side but the roof rails survived as I bolted them in rather than the rivnut method :sly
Fleabay for roof crossbars :thumbs
richtheracer
10-09-2012, 14:13
Zac dont worry about the cross bars they are the same ones I have for you!!
without the dents..lol Rich.
96terrano
10-09-2012, 18:42
Dents 'cause I parked it on it's side
that's the best way:lol:lol
Right then you guys after asking the question about fitting roof rails and roof bars to my Mav I decided to take Fez_UK and makeitfit's advice and I managed to source some LWB roof rails from a scrap yard in Smethwick which I picked up earlier this afternoon :), I also fetched a set of Original Ford roof bars from Coventry last night and met the Richtheracer and his wife, we had a great natter exchanged ideas and he even taught me a few things and so did his wife (nothing rude intended there guys!!! Gutterminds)
I'm quite excited to get them on the roof and couldn't wait to see what they looked like so I just placed them on the roof when I got home to see if I liked the look of it and here was the results, I only put the front roof bar on btw the other one was still in the car
https://image.ibb.co/e12TCv/IMAG1067.jpg
https://image.ibb.co/mJmAQF/IMAG1064.jpg
https://image.ibb.co/ezjasv/IMAG1065.jpg
I was really pleased with how they look :) and can't wait to get them attached to the roof properly :), but this is where I need some advice, I've already taken the advice I was given and switched the legs round so the curved one was at the front so I could mount the bar as far forward as I can so I light up more of whats in front rather than the roof.
From searching the forum I've found the optimum position for them and already marked it up.
From what I have been reading, Rivnuts??? don't seem to be the best way of attaching them so I think I'm going to go for the nut and bolt option, so which ones do I need?
Will I need to remove the headlining to re-attach them as when I fetched them they were already off the car?
And what size do the holes in the roof need to be and how can I ensure I don't get any leaks? What should I use to seal round the holes and where abouts is it best to seal?
Sorry for the barrage of questions but drilling into my roof is a big deal to me lmao so I want to get it right first time any help from anyone would be greatly appreciated
Also another thing that was confusing me was the fact that when I was attaching the brackets to the roof rails for the bars, the bars all seemed to slide in from the right of the bracket if you know what I mean, this means that the bracket on the left hand side of the car would be backwards and the Ford sign would be facing the rear of the car, is this right or am I doing something completely and utterly stupid??
Here's some pics to show what I mean
The right hand side bracket (notice Ford badge at front)
https://image.ibb.co/maLtea/IMAG1068.jpg
The left hand side bracket (notice no Ford badge as the bracket is backwards :S)
https://image.ibb.co/cNGYea/IMAG1069.jpg
I'm not sure but i think Richtheracer has sold me 4 right hand side brackets :P, unless everyone else's are like that too ??
Thanks in advance guys and again sorry for the barrage of questions
I bolted mine through the roof and used plenty of tigerseal to stop leaks.
makeitfit
12-09-2012, 21:13
Ford badge does point the wrong way, but only 50% of the time :lol
There's not a lot of room up front with a sunroof fitted , so I'd be inclined to drop the head lining to be safe. That way you can fix the feet in the strongest part of the roof while missing all the internal strengthners round the screen etc.
I can't remember what size bolts I used but M6 should do it :thumbs
(RIP) PLANK
12-09-2012, 21:14
I have never seen any of these original bars, but I would imagine the brackets are all the same and yes two will face the opposite way. As long as they all clamp the bars I can't see this being a problem :thumb2
I bolted mine through the roof and used plenty of tigerseal to stop leaks.
Where did you apply the tigerseal?
And is there any way that we could get this moved into Technical>Maverick/Terrano>Bodywork&Chassis, as I intend to use this thread to document as a walkthrough how I attach the rails and bars and spots etc
both sides of the rubber. I went a bit OTT on it all but it don't leak.
Ford badge does point the wrong way, but only 50% of the time :lol
There's not a lot of room up front with a sunroof fitted , so I'd be inclined to drop the head lining to be safe. That way you can fix the feet in the strongest part of the roof while missing all the internal strengthners round the screen etc.
I can't remember what size bolts I used but M6 should do it :thumbs
Is M6 the ones with the Hex key head?
makeitfit
12-09-2012, 21:45
Is M6 the ones with the Hex key head?
Can be but any 6mm will do :thumbs
Can be but any 6mm will do :thumbs
I'm sure I've got a full bag of these lying around somewhere as I brought some for when I replaced the bolts in my air rifle scope mount
I'm going to have a look in my gun cupboard.........
Just checked and they are M4, I take it those would be too small?
richtheracer
12-09-2012, 22:01
Banshee them brackets are the original ones from my short wheel mav, so must be right the way one faces forward and other to rear!! Didnt know thats how they fit as never fitted them but must be right as came with motor when I bought it!! Looks good though I must admit I wouldnt fancy drilling my roof, I'm s**t at stuff like that but looking forward to seeing it finished! :)
Banshee them brackets are the original ones from my short wheel mav, so must be right the way one faces forward and other to rear!! Didnt know thats how they fit as never fitted them but must be right as came with motor when I bought it!! Looks good though I must admit I wouldnt fancy drilling my roof, I'm s**t at stuff like that but looking forward to seeing it finished! :)
No worries mate, just weird how they built them like that, i'm a stickler for symmetry lmao
I can't wait to get it all hooked up before winter :)
I just want to know where and how makeitfit got and fitted his lights from now, they look very nice
makeitfit
13-09-2012, 09:01
I just want to know where and how makeitfit got and fitted his lights from now, they look very nice
I got the lights off fleabay, simples :D Just get the best 4 light deal you can find. I modified the light brackets so I could get the lights as low as possible for tree clearance.:sly
I did a thread somewhere about it :thumbs
I got the lights off fleabay, simples :D Just get the best 4 light deal you can find. I modified the light brackets so I could get the lights as low as possible for tree clearance.:sly
I did a thread somewhere about it :thumbs
Your a gent!!! I was thinking of getting these but was unsure if they would be easy to modify the brackets, I want mine exactly how you have yours set up as in mounted below rather than above the bar;
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230827968334?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_1988wt_952
Did you make your own wiring rig? If so, would you like to knock me one up for some sweet cash ;) ?
Can't seem to find any "Tigerseal" I take it this should do the same job?
http://www.diy.com/nav/decor/tiles/adhesives-sealants/sealants/Evo-Stik-Serious-Stuff-Squeeze-Tube-200ml-10548848?skuId=11039380
makeitfit
13-09-2012, 09:46
No wiring service here mate :o I did mine yes but mine goes through military plug n socket, then down the pillar(internal) then in the dash via a solenoid to light up LED switches on the custom bit of lower dash I made.
It's easy to do, just get yourself the right size wire for the wattage you'll be running. Solenoids are rated too and have the wiring points labeled.
Good luck :thumbs
makeitfit
13-09-2012, 09:48
Can't seem to find any "Tigerseal" I take it this should do the same job?
http://www.diy.com/nav/decor/tiles/adhesives-sealants/sealants/Evo-Stik-Serious-Stuff-Squeeze-Tube-200ml-10548848?skuId=11039380
Dont buy from those facists at bnq :doh
Screwfix is simple or motor factors, it's also know as Siekafex or similar.:rolleyes:
Pete think I remember you saying your lights were Wipac ones. If not, I have wipac ones and they are good quality.
Banshee I also have the ones you linked to, Plastic is not as good quality. But good for the price.
The mounts for the lights can be used with the light ontop or below the bar.
Tigerseal:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/U-POL-TIGER-SEAL-BLACK-310ML-SEALANT-/150873910992?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2320c92ed0#ht_1549wt_1232
Don't get it on your hands, sticks like sh!t to a blanket.
No wiring service here mate :o I did mine yes but mine goes through military plug n socket, then down the pillar(internal) then in the dash via a solenoid to light up LED switches on the custom bit of lower dash I made.
It's easy to do, just get yourself the right size wire for the wattage you'll be running. Solenoids are rated too and have the wiring points labeled.
Good luck :thumbs
Ah no worries I thought I'd ask the question there could a been a few bob in it for you
Pete think I remember you saying your lights were Wipac ones. If not, I have wipac ones and they are good quality.
Banshee I also have the ones you linked to, Plastic is not as good quality. But good for the price.
The mounts for the lights can be used with the light ontop or below the bar.
Tigerseal:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/U-POL-TIGER-SEAL-BLACK-310ML-SEALANT-/150873910992?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2320c92ed0#ht_1549wt_1232
Don't get it on your hands, sticks like sh!t to a blanket.
Dont buy from those facists at bnq :doh
Screwfix is simple or motor factors, it's also know as Siekafex or similar.:rolleyes:
I've just ordered some of that stuff from the link :)
Right, I've started to try and fit these tonight and after a ballache to get the roof lining down enough just at the front without damaging it I have decided they are impossible to fit!!!!!
Firstly if I use the foot for the middle section the rails just see-saw and neither end touches the car and secondly there is no space whatsoever at the front to drill through and attach the feet as there is only a tiny gap and I reckon I'd only manage to secure it properley with one bolt :S
It's driving me mad not to mention the fact that I've snapped and broken both sun visor plastic covers for the screws and the plastic trim panel that runs down the drivers side by the dash and window :(:(:(:(
Any help would be appreciated guys as time is of the essence as we don't have much sunlight left :(
96terrano
13-09-2012, 19:15
it's easier to take the entire roof lining out altogether, do you want some replacement parts, ive got some panels and visors if wanted:)
it's not to hard to remove
makeitfit
13-09-2012, 19:20
Just undo it only takes half an hour ish :rolleyes:
Middle foot may need a quick trim with Mr angle grinder :D
There is room DONT PANIC carry on :cool:
Just undo it only takes half an hour ish :rolleyes:
Middle foot may need a quick trim with Mr angle grinder :D
There is room DONT PANIC carry on :cool:
I've found that if I leave the middle foot off and just put the metal inside the rubber foot it's perfect, do you have any rough measurements I can go by from when you fitted yours?
makeitfit
13-09-2012, 19:23
Hang on :)
96terrano
13-09-2012, 19:25
Hang on :)
he's thinking somthing up:augie
96terrano
13-09-2012, 19:25
take a look at this:thumb2
http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15120
whats the length of yours (just the rails to where they meet back and front arms). As Mine was longer than petes and required cutting shorter.
he's thinking somthing up:augie
Well the roof lining is out but I'm def going to need a new one now anyway as this one already had loads of marks on it so i just ragged it out and there are creases everywhere (I get very impatient) lol
It looks at the front as if there is a 2nd piece of metal that has been spot welded onto the roof as like re-enforcement and I'm worried that its going to come through there and that it wont be long enough to come through to get the nut on :S :(:(:(
whats the length of yours (just the rails to where they meet back and front arms). As Mine was longer than petes and required cutting shorter.
58 Inches without legs and feet, i'm sure they are way too long!!!
96terrano
13-09-2012, 19:44
Well the roof lining is out but I'm def going to need a new one now anyway as this one already had loads of marks on it so i just ragged it out and there are creases everywhere (I get very impatient) lol
It looks at the front as if there is a 2nd piece of metal that has been spot welded onto the roof as like re-enforcement and I'm worried that its going to come through there and that it wont be long enough to come through to get the nut on :S :(:(:(
sorry, i dont have a swb lining, as the one that i taken out my swb, was disgusting:o when you say metal do you mean the re enforcing strips that go across the roof?
96terrano
13-09-2012, 19:48
Can't seem to find any "Tigerseal" I take it this should do the same job?
http://www.diy.com/nav/decor/tiles/adhesives-sealants/sealants/Evo-Stik-Serious-Stuff-Squeeze-Tube-200ml-10548848?skuId=11039380
i use mastic roof selent, also smothered some bathroom sealant over for good measure :D
makeitfit
13-09-2012, 19:49
Front of foot is 80mm back from the edge of the windscreen. It's 40mm in from the door edge. My rail length is about 1350mm, can't be dead accurate as my sopt light bar covers the join.
Thinking back on my fit I'm pretty sure I just helped the bar a bit to follow the roof shape :naughty
96terrano
13-09-2012, 19:52
I'm pretty sure I just helped the bar a bit to follow the roof shape :naughty
hitting stick:augie
Front of foot is 80mm back from the edge of the windscreen. It's 40mm in from the door edge. My rail length is about 1350mm, can't be dead accurate as my sopt light bar covers the join.
Thinking back on my fit I'm pretty sure I just helped the bar a bit to follow the roof shape :naughty
Well in mm my rail measures 1470mm with no legs on it, just end to end :S why is mine so big???
If I go by your measurements, the rear of the rail hangs off the car!!!
Mine were too long too.
Not hard to cut them down and make new slots.
96terrano
13-09-2012, 21:07
Well in mm my rail measures 1470mm with no legs on it, just end to end :S why is mine so big???
If I go by your measurements, the rear of the rail hangs off the car!!!
what year terrano did your rails come off of ?
makeitfit
13-09-2012, 21:08
Angle grinder is just used so often I forget which job didn't need it :lol
Just oik the end orff :sly
Angle grinder is just used so often I forget which job didn't need it :lol
Just oik the end orff :sly
So yours are 1350mm give or take a few roughly?
I'm going to make them smaller then tomorrow, thank GOD I didn't just go for it and drill my roof, I knew something was wrong!!!
what year terrano did your rails come off of ?
Sorry mate missed your post, they were off a LWB Terrano 1997
Ok then, so today I bit the bullet :) fetched a Bosch angle grinder from Argos this morning which was reasonably priced and even got another pack of 5 cutting discs for half price with it.
Got back and trimmed the rails down from 1470mm to 1350mm as recommended by makeitfit, placed them back on the roof to measure up again and bingo :), they were going to come through where I expected.
Here was a pic of the roof lining out;
https://image.ibb.co/kjd1Xv/IMAG1077.jpg
Here was me mid way through lol;
https://image.ibb.co/fPS6za/IMAG1080.jpg
There's a view of one of the back ones from the top and bottom;
https://image.ibb.co/codqQF/IMAG1079.jpg
https://image.ibb.co/iDfgXv/IMAG1078.jpg
The front was a little trickier as there is so little room up front because of the position of the sunroof;
https://image.ibb.co/hMyqQF/IMAG1081.jpg
Here was my sealant job on one of the rear ones, from this I learned that I could be an excellent Ice Cream man haha;
https://image.ibb.co/cb3PkF/IMAG1084.jpg
Now I need some more advice, when I attached the roof rails on the roof I noticed that the legs have a sort of tensioning system with a loop of rubber that gets tighter when the hex head is tightened. But when the rails are attached how do I gain access to these hex heads to tighten them, or do they have to be tightened before they are attached and is there a technique as to how they have to be magically bent on lol, it looks physically impossible to me I'm confused.
I tried to tighten the hex heads as tight as I could but when doing that I couldn't attach them as they were solid to the car but yet when they are looseish I can attach them but they are really loose and rattle to the touch if all that makes sense :S
Can anyone advise as to how they attach? I've got the feet firmly attached as you can see and am itching to attach the rails and bars :D
Cheers guys
Ok then, so today I bit the bullet :) fetched a Bosch angle grinder from Argos this morning which was reasonably priced and even got another pack of 5 cutting discs for half price with it.
Got back and trimmed the rails down from 1470mm to 1350mm as recommended by makeitfit, placed them back on the roof to measure up again and bingo :), they were going to come through where I expected.
Here was a pic of the roof lining out;
https://image.ibb.co/kjd1Xv/IMAG1077.jpg
Here was me mid way through lol;
https://image.ibb.co/fPS6za/IMAG1080.jpg
There's a view of one of the back ones from the top and bottom;
https://image.ibb.co/codqQF/IMAG1079.jpg
https://image.ibb.co/iDfgXv/IMAG1078.jpg
The front was a little trickier as there is so little room up front because of the position of the sunroof;
https://image.ibb.co/hMyqQF/IMAG1081.jpg
Here was my sealant job on one of the rear ones, from this I learned that I could be an excellent Ice Cream man haha;
https://image.ibb.co/cb3PkF/IMAG1084.jpg
Now I need some more advice, when I attached the roof rails on the roof I noticed that the legs have a sort of tensioning system with a loop of rubber that gets tighter when the hex head is tightened. But when the rails are attached how do I gain access to these hex heads to tighten them, or do they have to be tightened before they are attached and is there a technique as to how they have to be magically bent on lol, it looks physically impossible to me I'm confused.
I tried to tighten the hex heads as tight as I could but when doing that I couldn't attach them as they were solid to the car but yet when they are looseish I can attach them but they are really loose and rattle to the touch if all that makes sense :S
Can anyone advise as to how they attach? I've got the feet firmly attached as you can see and am itching to attach the rails and bars :D
Cheers guys
Normally you tighten them with ball end allen key trough square hole that is covered by gromet but if youve cut them off short you have also cut off the hole.:confused:
makeitfit
15-09-2012, 21:53
Just drill a new hole using the off cut as a guide :thumbs
Just drill a new hole using the off cut as a guide :thumbs
Think i would have just fitted swb ones:lol
Just drill a new hole using the off cut as a guide :thumbs
Ah right, that's what that was for!!!!, looks like I'm going to have to drill some new holes tomorrow to get the allen key in, what is meant by a ball end allen keys :S
Think i would have just fitted swb ones:lol
I'm beginning to regret it lol
makeitfit
15-09-2012, 22:34
like these http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/9-Piece-Metric-Ball-Ended-Allen-Key-Hex-Set-SENT-TODAY-/180710929941?pt=UK_Hand_Tools_Equipment&hash=item2a1335f615
96terrano
15-09-2012, 22:47
like these http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/9-Piece-Metric-Ball-Ended-Allen-Key-Hex-Set-SENT-TODAY-/180710929941?pt=UK_Hand_Tools_Equipment&hash=item2a1335f615
ive got those!!!!:D:D
like these http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/9-Piece-Metric-Ball-Ended-Allen-Key-Hex-Set-SENT-TODAY-/180710929941?pt=UK_Hand_Tools_Equipment&hash=item2a1335f615
Can I not just use a right angled allen key? through a hole that I've drilled?
I don't understand what benefit the ball end has over a standard allen key
solarman216
15-09-2012, 22:57
Can I not just use a right angled allen key? through a hole that I've drilled?
I don't understand what benefit the ball end has over a standard allen key
it allows you to turn when not quite straight in the bolt but not as strong, its benefit comes into pay after you have used a good fitting key to crack the bolt then use a ball end to unscrew the rest of the thread, Rick
makeitfit
15-09-2012, 23:13
Can I not just use a right angled allen key? through a hole that I've drilled?
I don't understand what benefit the ball end has over a standard allen key
You'll find out when you try n tighten up the rails :lol
96terrano
15-09-2012, 23:48
Ok then, so today I bit the bullet :) fetched a Bosch angle grinder from Argos this morning which was reasonably priced and even got another pack of 5 cutting discs for half price with it.
Got back and trimmed the rails down from 1470mm to 1350mm as recommended by makeitfit, placed them back on the roof to measure up again and bingo :), they were going to come through where I expected.
Here was a pic of the roof lining out;
https://image.ibb.co/kjd1Xv/IMAG1077.jpg
Here was me mid way through lol;
https://image.ibb.co/fPS6za/IMAG1080.jpg
There's a view of one of the back ones from the top and bottom;
https://image.ibb.co/codqQF/IMAG1079.jpg
https://image.ibb.co/iDfgXv/IMAG1078.jpg
The front was a little trickier as there is so little room up front because of the position of the sunroof;
https://image.ibb.co/hMyqQF/IMAG1081.jpg
Here was my sealant job on one of the rear ones, from this I learned that I could be an excellent Ice Cream man haha;
https://image.ibb.co/cb3PkF/IMAG1084.jpg
Now I need some more advice, when I attached the roof rails on the roof I noticed that the legs have a sort of tensioning system with a loop of rubber that gets tighter when the hex head is tightened. But when the rails are attached how do I gain access to these hex heads to tighten them, or do they have to be tightened before they are attached and is there a technique as to how they have to be magically bent on lol, it looks physically impossible to me I'm confused.
I tried to tighten the hex heads as tight as I could but when doing that I couldn't attach them as they were solid to the car but yet when they are looseish I can attach them but they are really loose and rattle to the touch if all that makes sense :S
Can anyone advise as to how they attach? I've got the feet firmly attached as you can see and am itching to attach the rails and bars :D
Cheers guys
You've done a good job, that's the same way I done it, saves messing about with rivnuts or whatever you call them
:rolleyes:
You'll find out when you try n tighten up the rails :lol
I'll have a go with my keys first failing that I'll pop to either Halfords or anywhere else that I can get them from cheaper
You'll find out when you try n tighten up the rails :lol
I now fully understand why I needed the ball end allen keys and my god what a good invention they are, they were fantastic :D, I've seen them before and never quite understood what they were for but they worked an absolute treat
It was sunday and I was desperate so I ended up forking out £8 for a set from Halford's which aren't bad quality to be fair :D
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_71 5071_langId_-1_categoryId_242558
Then after a little bit of fiddling and messing around I finally got them attached tighter than a nuns....... we won't go there :p
Here's then end result anyways :)
https://image.ibb.co/jbtDea/IMAG1090.jpg
https://image.ibb.co/bBfFsv/IMAG1091.jpg
https://image.ibb.co/nAPasv/IMAG1092.jpg
What do you think?, I just can't wait to get the spotlights on now :D
96terrano
16-09-2012, 21:31
Looks really good mate:eek:, affords tools are as good as anything :thumb2
Also when you're linings out I'd take off the sunroof drainage hoses and blast some compressed air down them, as they can block and cause the water to not run off the sunroof after the rain, I cleaned my pipes after opening the sunroof and getting a wet head :doh:
This can also be done without disconnecting the pipes.
well worth the effort, I bet your glad you done it now.
Looks really good mate:eek:, affords tools are as good as anything :thumb2
Also when you're linings out I'd take off the sunroof drainage hoses and blast some compressed air down them, as they can block and cause the water to not run off the sunroof after the rain, I cleaned my pipes after opening the sunroof and getting a wet head :doh:
This can also be done without disconnecting the pipes.
Thanks mate, yeah I've been told to give that a good clean out, headlining will be out for a while anyways until 1) The spotlights are fitted and 2) When I find a clean one lol
well worth the effort, I bet your glad you done it now.
Really pleased with it :)
Just been trawling through makeitfits photobucket album and had a little mess around in GIMP and edited his lights onto my picture and now I'm wondering whether I actually want round spots or not :/ :(
What do you lot think?
https://image.ibb.co/c70tea/IMAG1091_1.jpg
I think I prefer these :/, what do you guys think?
https://image.ibb.co/nmTPkF/IMAG1091gs.jpg
96terrano
17-09-2012, 00:38
Or if you like em both, have 2 round ones to the side and 2 square in the middle:nenau
makeitfit
17-09-2012, 08:40
If you want round ones get small ones or suffer the wrath of low branches :augie
the round ones are too in your face and will get in the way of branches. I hate them on roofs.
(RIP) PLANK
17-09-2012, 10:02
I also think the first pic looks better :thumb2
but not so much the shape as the size, small round ones would probably look just as good :thumb2
I've gone for the square ones guys :)
I woke up this morning and had another look and changed my mind again, plus taking into account the fact that higher lights will cause issues with low hanging branches I've decided against round ones.
I have enough problems with my CB Aerial lol
I've gone for these;
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230827968334?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649#ht_1988wt_952
Seems reasonable for a set of 4 with brackets
Right guys, I've got the lights on the bar now fitted ready to wire up which I'm going to attempt tomorrow but wanted a few words of advice first.
I've already got me some 17 amp wire and am more than capable of wiring up a circuit, I just want to know the best way of routing the cable, I know makeitfit has gone through the roof but it's some weird block that I haven't ever seen before :S, how would you guys recommend coming into the car and sealing it up, once I'm finally in I'm going to come down the pillar behind the dash.
This is my next question, what switch can I get that will fit in this space in the dash behind the window wiper stalk;
https://image.ibb.co/howMXv/IMAG1105_zps851f5ad0.jpg
Then from there whats the easiest and best way into the engine bay, seeing as I'm coming down the drivers side of the car and the battery is on the drivers side I'd rather come in through that side if possible to not cause the lights to be really dim by having excess meters of cable flapping around in the engine bay.
Thanks Guys :D
makeitfit
22-09-2012, 22:12
You can use an old electrical appliance cable shroud, the bit of rubber that supports the wire as it enters the body of the drill say. Glue that in the roof. That switch hole is ideal and I used MK1 switches off a terrano as they are available with fog lights or spot light symbols on them and they light up :thumbs
Cables can go through the bulkhead via any of the many rubber grommets . Just pick one that's not too full already ;)
I'd run the lights from a relay in the engine bay and then run the smaller wires to the switch. You may also want to use higher amp wire.
I used normal on/off/on toggle switch, Mine is wired up so they come on with main beam or always off or always on.
http://fez.coldcity.com/downloads/4x4/spotlights.jpg
You can use an old electrical appliance cable shroud, the bit of rubber that supports the wire as it enters the body of the drill say. Glue that in the roof. That switch hole is ideal and I used MK1 switches off a terrano as they are available with fog lights or spot light symbols on them and they light up :thumbs
Cables can go through the bulkhead via any of the many rubber grommets . Just pick one that's not too full already ;)
Ah right, I'll have to have a look at that stuff :S, I'll check my Bosch drill when I get home.
One of these do the job?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Maverick-or-Nissan-Terrano-fog-light-switch-BREAKING-/230844507916?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3ATerrano&hash=item35bf67a70c#ht_500wt_1414
There is a large rubber grommet on the right hand side of the engine bay on the bulkhead, it seems to be in really tight but I suppose it has to be to remain waterproof, these wires all seem to loop up and go into one of the fuseboxes closest to the drivers side wing.
How much of a ballache is it to remove the right hand side of the dash to feed this through or is there an easier way?
I'd run the lights from a relay in the engine bay and then run the smaller wires to the switch. You may also want to use higher amp wire.
I used normal on/off/on toggle switch, Mine is wired up so they come on with main beam or always off or always on.
http://fez.coldcity.com/downloads/4x4/spotlights.jpg
I'm just going to whack it straight onto the battery via an on/off switch with an inline fuse as I've had bad experiences with previous cars and attaching fogs to dipped and main beam feeds.
makeitfit
22-09-2012, 22:48
No need to take dash off/out, just start from the engine bay then pull wires through from under the dash , simples :)
That swith will do it but a terrano one fits the hole :thumbs
No need to take dash off/out, just start from the engine bay then pull wires through from under the dash , simples :)
That swith will do it but a terrano one fits the hole :thumbs
Fantastic :) I'll give that a crack tomorrow :)
You got a link to one of the buttons your on about?
I can only find 3 on eBay
makeitfit
22-09-2012, 23:30
Scrappy :sly
All the mk1 mavericks/terranos had them, ask Rick or cnfcfabs etc :thumbs
Scrappy :sly
All the mk1 mavericks/terranos had them, ask Rick or cnfcfabs etc :thumbs
Message sent :), i didn't get round to having a crack today as I went to the Toy Collectors Fair at the NEC instead and by the time I got back the weather was dire and I was too tired so I'm going to have a go after work tomorrow as I'm on shifts next week so will be finished by 4.
I have decided to modify my setup slightly and decided to put a 20amp fuse inline
Here's a close up of mine and the light plug/skt
http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv36/daudwpsyn/04082009535.jpg
The front of the foot is about 50 - 60mm back from windscreen :thumbs
Makeitfit where can I get one of those sockets from to route my cables through the roof??? I don't even know what it's called to search for them lol
makeitfit
23-09-2012, 21:03
It's a military type plug/skt buggered if I can remember it's name type though :o Someone posted it's name before though, perhaps it'll be explained again soon :thumb2
Just looks like most military connectors.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Military-4-Pin-Cylindrical-Voltage-Circular-Connector-/180964521264?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Suppl ies_ET&hash=item2a22537530&_uhb=1#ht_1241wt_1168
makeitfit
23-09-2012, 21:39
Looks exactly like it me thinks and 25 amp :clap
I'm thinking of giving up down that route and going for something like this and seal round it the same way I sealed round the nuts when I did the roof rails
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/6mm-1-4-RUBBER-AUTOMOTIVE-CABLE-WIRING-OPEN-GROMMETS-RING-ELECTRICAL-25-PCS-/380373815015?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item58900bcee7#ht_2799wt_1165
Surely that would work?
makeitfit
23-09-2012, 21:54
But then you're stuck with it all on the roof for ever :o I can undo mine :D
But then you're stuck with it all on the roof for ever :o I can undo mine :D
I can cut it out if the spots do ever come off and I don't need that hole anymore I can just find a grommet that will cover the hole and seal that in surely?
makeitfit
23-09-2012, 22:07
Simply yes, but cheap skate job I reckon :augie
solarman216
23-09-2012, 22:29
just realised old off road motor has SWB roof rails any one interested? or is makeitfit gonna tell me they are sought after:) Rick
Simply yes, but cheap skate job I reckon :augie
I don't like the look of the military connection and that's the only other way I can think of doing it :(, if you have any other alternatives I'm all ears :)
kitchenman
24-09-2012, 00:48
They were made by Plessy and were in use a lot during my time in Royal Artillery 59-65
you could look for other waterproof plugs and chassis sockets.
just realised old off road motor has SWB roof rails any one interested? or is makeitfit gonna tell me they are sought after:) Rick
Nah, it's all about the LWB bars on the SWB's ;)
They were made by Plessy and were in use a lot during my time in Royal Artillery 59-65
I've had a scour around the net using that name and my search results haven't been very fruitful :/
Anyone got any other ideas of how I can route the cables through the roof?
you could look for other waterproof plugs and chassis sockets.
Knowing what terminology to use is half the battle, I don't even know what to put in my searches :S
Knowing what terminology to use is half the battle, I don't even know what to put in my searches :S
very true, I will scout about and try and find you something.
But I think if you want to go through the roof your better with that military plug/socket. Other option is to run the cables in conduit down on the outside edge of the windscreen.
very true, I will scout about and try and find you something.
But I think if you want to go through the roof your better with that military plug/socket. Other option is to run the cables in conduit down on the outside edge of the windscreen.
Your a gent!!! :) I think I would rather go down the non military socket route, I don't like the look if the pin outs it all looks rather fiddly and not very neat IMO
Yeah I thought of doing that but not to keen on that idea either :/ I also thought of coming through the sunroof run-off pipe lol but water and wiring don't really mix :/
you could stick a snorkel on and run them along it.
or one of those cable entry glands, Not sure how waterproof they are.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=waterproof+gland&_sacat=0
Found these, no idea on their size or what current they can handle. Best to ring them.
http://www.yachtbits.com/kme/buccaneer_waterproof_flange_mounted_socket_2_way.p hp
http://www.yachtbits.com/kme/buccaneer_waterproof_plug_2_pin.php
http://www.yachtbits.com/kme/buccaneer_waterproof_blanking_cap_for_couplers_and _flange.php
makeitfit
24-09-2012, 11:27
or one of those cable entry glands, Not sure how waterproof they are.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=waterproof+gland&_sacat=0
they work very well as long as you use the right cable/gland combo. Been using them on solar pv jobs :thumbs
Just go to electrical wholesaler and buy one for a few pence :thumb2
do you mount them so they are pointing up or down? Are are they waterproof any way?
do you mount them so they are pointing up or down? Are are they waterproof any way?
I presume the threaded bit would come through the roof and then bolt together.
I'd be tempted to route the cable then sealant round it from the inside.
Going to ring round a few electrical suppliers in the area to see if I can source me some later
makeitfit
24-09-2012, 13:13
They're only a mechanical seal made by tightening the rubber grommet in the tapered threaded bit . So right size is important.
Job Done they are on!!!!!!
I managed to find a 20mm Conduit from my local electrical supplier and just drilled a 20mm hole in the roof, whacked that in there with a washer underneath and sealed it all up with some sealant
Don't worry about the patch on the roof, the paint is flaking off which I did know about when I brought it
https://image.ibb.co/chcjkF/IMAG1117.jpg
https://image.ibb.co/nPaFsv/IMAG1120.jpg
https://image.ibb.co/iVnTCv/IMAG1116.jpg
Got the spots on the top and then started to wire them up :)
https://image.ibb.co/eX8Dea/IMAG1119.jpg
I used some 27amp wire straight into the cabin via the conduit and then down the pillar into the dash and then the positive went straight out again via the rubber grommet behind the accelerator pedal and then straight onto the positive terminal, just before the battery I dropped in an inline fuse.
The negative went to up past the top of the fusebox and onto the temporary switch and then looped back off the switch and out via the same hole as the positive took me longer than it should have in the dark but it's done now and I love the results :)
https://image.ibb.co/mfBYea/IMAG1114.jpg
https://image.ibb.co/inatea/IMAG1124.jpg
What do you guys think?
Terranical
27-09-2012, 08:56
:thumb2 Looks exceedingly good methinks!!! :thumb2
:thumb2 Looks exceedingly good methinks!!! :thumb2
;) Cheers Mate
makeitfit
27-09-2012, 11:09
I thought you were going to mount them below bar level, avoiding low brows etc :rolleyes:
I thought you were going to mount them below bar level, avoiding low brows etc :rolleyes:
Changed my mind as it looked sh**e!!!!
really? I think it's looks bad above personally.
How will you use these if you have to switch them all the time, or are they for offroad only/work lights?
really? I think it's looks bad above personally.
How will you use these if you have to switch them all the time, or are they for offroad only/work lights?
Don't intend to use them on the roads really unless it's like blanket fog/bad weather/country lanes and for when I'm Off Roading, hence why I didn't utilise your 3 way switch idea and have them hooked up to the full beam as well.
They were terrible below and didn't sit right :S i just preferred them above
My next mod is going to be one of these bad boys above the back door :)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290773911082?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_619wt_952
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