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Well its clear now all large cars made after march 2001 will have to pay £430 pa for their car tax... 8O
This may be the nail in the coffin for some of us!
Where did this information come from bud?
Deleted Member S
30-04-2008, 13:01
Some people need large cars for their families, hobbies like caravaning etc which is so unfare to be hit with this money grabbing tax idea. I can see a large increase of sales to come in the secondhand car market of pre 2001 motors :roll:
(RIP) PLANK
30-04-2008, 13:47
we have covered this afew times see parkers guide they have an excellent tax cost calculator,
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/road-tax/?deriv=22591
but in addition, dont relax if you have an old car! the new mot emmisions/smoke testers are now being computr linked to DVLA, and a road tax based on tested emissions wont be far away, and just because yours passed with a clean bill of health last ime dont e complacent
the new emissons test isnt loking for the same thing! but ratehr co2 emmisions just lkiek newer cars have on their log books! give it another year and it will come!
jims-terrano
30-04-2008, 17:16
Well when Diesel hits £1.50 a litre this summer which has been predicted we wont be able to afford to run even small cars so the whole country will calapse. Fuel, Tax and Insurance increasing like it is anyone would think the green party were in power, but the terrible truth is it doesn't matter who is in government things wont get any easier for any of us.
I'm assuming that the tourist areas will be hit this year as people wont be able to afford to go anywhere.
Right rant over with for a while.
Jim T
Deleted Member
30-04-2008, 19:51
Yip,unfortunately I'm in that new tax band by 3 months,I've set up an isa account and putting £15 a week in for a while,when it comes to next year,it should cover both cars!! :cry: :lol:
Yip,unfortunately I'm in that new tax band by 3 months,I've set up an isa account and putting £15 a week in for a while,when it comes to next year,it should cover both cars!! :cry: :lol:
Sad state of affairs when you have to set up an ISA to run a car!
I'm not sure what to do, the problem is my car is in this catogary by 3 months as well, being a Y reg its only worth £5K any how, but now its almost worth less!
Who is going to buy a car that is 7 years old, and is going to cost you £430 a year to tax? no one!
Where did this information come from bud?
Sky news....
Karinofnine
01-05-2008, 11:01
Hi, I'm new... I have a Nissan Patrol GR SGX 4.2 diesel, it's 1993 so I think I'm safe from the highway robbers - oh, sorry, I meant the government - for the time being.
A green tax? What? When politicians live in great big houses which take loads of resources to build, repair, clean and heat? When politicians use massive cars for short journeys around London, where the public transport system is very good? When you can fly to Spain for 19 quid or something ridiculous?
It's quite simply a cynical device by which to refill the empty coffers, coffers which have been emptied by decades of inept governance and to call it green quite frankly makes a mockery of everyone who does their bit to reduce, reuse, recycle.
Farmers and country folk have big cars because they need them, they can't afford high taxes.
This makes me SO mad.
Karin
Hi, I'm new... I have a Nissan Patrol GR SGX 4.2 diesel, it's 1993 so I think I'm safe from the highway robbers - oh, sorry, I meant the government - for the time being.
A green tax? What? When politicians live in great big houses which take loads of resources to build, repair, clean and heat? When politicians use massive cars for short journeys around London, where the public transport system is very good? When you can fly to Spain for 19 quid or something ridiculous?
It's quite simply a cynical device by which to refill the empty coffers, coffers which have been emptied by decades of inept governance and to call it green quite frankly makes a mockery of everyone who does their bit to reduce, reuse, recycle.
Farmers and country folk have big cars because they need them, they can't afford high taxes.
This makes me SO mad.
Karin
Me too Karin, I live in the countryside, I have this car as my wife is a child minder and we have kids and need 7 seats, I also have a job where I have to go to work, and in the floods and snow we had I was able to get to work.
I real mad about this issue, they are in my mind a bunch of total inept numpties...
(RIP) PLANK
01-05-2008, 13:05
i agree to i couldnt go about my usual lawful buisiness without 4x4, and think it an outrage, fuel is allready 60% tax so the more you use the more you pay, so we allready pay more tax! we are now being charged for the same thing twice!
This also discourages people from leaving their cars at home, as who is oing to pay all that atx and then not use the car?
older car? don't be too complaicent wait until next yer I confidently forsee the new laws for older cars and tax being introduce then, maybe a delay for an election but it wont be long in coming! The MOT computers are allready being updated and replaced!
jims-terrano
01-05-2008, 14:26
Problem I got is that I can't afford to replace mine even if I wanted to.
Jim T
......and then theyll wonder why so many cars are being driven without tax......i only use mine to do 10 miles a day some of it down nasty trax that havent been updated by the local council ,wot excuse will they have not fix it with all this money?and on top of that they want to charge £50 per annum to park outside my house,guess ill have to get something i dont feel safe in any more like a 206 god forbid.
(RIP) PLANK
01-05-2008, 16:41
and they know we cant afford to protest!
say we all drive to london and spend £100 of our cash to protest, and win with fuelk going down 2 p a litre, hurray
it would take a long time to make up your £100 and it will have gone up even more in the meantime.
it is a form of social control and nothing more, to make sure we are under the thumb ready to take anythng they thrown at us!
Karin
Id like to correct you about MP's living in a big houses, sorry but the ******* normaly have 2 big houses, and we probably pay for the one in London. :evil:
Tony
robobone
02-05-2008, 10:15
i must admit that these were the main reason getting rid of the mistral and just to let you know i am missing it like hell!!
now thinking of getting rid of the mrs runaround going back to one car and a motor bike
Thats what i have done, but I do not like being forced in to a bloody corner. My T2 is now worthless, no one wants to take it in PX, so i have no choice but to pay it!
(RIP) PLANK
02-05-2008, 12:53
prices will settle down, hang on until al the older cars are bing tax on there emissssions after the MOT system is upgraded.
Things will never be the same, but the panic will subside! At the moment people panic selling is making the prices carash and will inevitably knock a great deal of the older cars around out of the market equasion, .
robobone
02-05-2008, 14:44
i must admit that these were the main reason getting rid of the mistral and just to let you know i am missing it like hell!!
now thinking of getting rid of the mrs runaround going back to one car and a motor bike
its a case iwe dont need two cars as i am changing my job and could walk to work from home
so a motorbike seems to answer for the times i oversleep :lol: or need to nip into town during the day etc
Funny you should say taxed on there emissions, because the Mitsubishi forum I used to be on they were well up on the tech side of SVO and they said on MOT emissions test there 4x4 were showing next to no emissions, so much so that one tester sent his equipment in for service thinking it wasnt working. :lol:
Tony
PS Just got rid of my bike Yam xvs 1100 to get the Mav
(RIP) PLANK
02-05-2008, 15:47
current MOT test is not testing for the same emissions, it will be for co2 volume like that staed on log books of newer vehicles, just out of interest SVO test slightly higher on this than diesel, oddly so does bio diesel!
so no savings there!
we breathe out CO2 ... will we be taxed on that ? anyroadup this government is in a slight state of panic after the local elections so I'll be interested to see exactly what they do ... apart from which is it likely that pre 2001 'gas guzzlers' will see a temporary rise in market value due to lower road tax .... I'm vaguely convinced that there are less of the older 4x4's on the s/h market ....
(RIP) PLANK
05-05-2008, 09:57
older cars will get whacked on tax next and probably much harder, as the new systems are being put in place and it is a 'green priority' (however misguided to drive older vehicels of the road, the present tax changes have precisely the opposit effect, and have no incentinve to keep the car well maintained or serviced which is the biggest factor in reducing emission, the new system for older cars will encompass all these things.
we know is we will be taxed for burping.....
don't see how any of these emission based tax rules can be fair,i do about 4000-5000 miles a year as i work locally,but my motor is only kicking out emissions when its running,but i still get taxed the same as someone who is doing double,treble the mileage as i do,also same with insurance,as i spend less time on the road why do i still pay the same premiums as someone who is on the road every day doing hundreds of miles a week.i think insurance and road tax should be on fuel then you only pay for it when you need it(not that fuel isn't expensive enough anyway)but do you get my idea :?:
robobone
06-05-2008, 12:40
don't see how any of these emission based tax rules can be fair,i do about 4000-5000 miles a year as i work locally,but my motor is only kicking out emissions when its running,but i still get taxed the same as someone who is doing double,treble the mileage as i do,also same with insurance,as i spend less time on the road why do i still pay the same premiums as someone who is on the road every day doing hundreds of miles a week.i think insurance and road tax should be on fuel then you only pay for it when you need it(not that fuel isn't expensive enough anyway)but do you get my idea :?:
i agree tax on the pump not on the window could work but insurance wouldnt to many companies to monitor it but they do risk assesments for the amount of miles and what its used for to make it a "bit" fairer
(RIP) PLANK
06-05-2008, 13:04
i think most insurance companies now have a low mileage option to cut the rates
funny but in some European countries where the road tax is all on the fuel, the fuel is still cheaper than here!
rip off Britain :lol:
might get a tank in the back yard and start importing my own fuel :( if only it was that easy :?
(RIP) PLANK
06-05-2008, 19:52
well we have land that is a little patch surrounded by hundreds (seems like thousands) of acres of rape all about 5 feet high and bright yellow, any ideas how i get the oil out of the seeds? will a garlic press do it? :lol: :lol:
it is a free for all on oil for fuel, with no fuel tax and the price about the same per litre there are big profits to be made, and theoreticaly a well that will never run dry!
or i migt get a rig and start drilling test holes :wink:
have read that most of the rape seed produced in this country is sent to europe to produce bio deisel 8O .the deeper you dig the angrier you get :evil: ,if this is true we dont have a chance.this time last year deisel was on average 87p per litre,road tax was £150 per year just dont know what else to say :?:
(RIP) PLANK
06-05-2008, 20:25
what concerns me most is that the price of fuel will be reflected in the price of everyhting, it is the first step in the run away inflation that mars the end on the 'boom' in Britains famous boom and bust economy, we only now have the bust to look forward too :cry:
remember:
The 70's fuel rarioning, strikes and trouble!
The 80's they called it Thatchers Britain, millions of unemplyed etc.
Then the 90's house price exploding then the big crash?
well we are about to get it all at the same time so get ready :wink: :evil:
i know what your saying,my mrs has had to take another job just so we can carry on living normal,without having to worry about where the money is going to come from for next months bills :| the thing that gets me is iv'e just had my anual pay rise to be worse off :? whats going on :?:
supertaff
06-05-2008, 21:35
I do love a bit of "Doom and Gloom" !! . A few weeks ago I mentioned "People power" ... you know, the guys & gals that put the little x's on ballot papers, and lo and behold, our Gordon had the worst local election results in about 40 years !!
I think a message has been sent to number 10 , but whether the powers that be translate that message correctly and realise that Gordon is not Prince John, and the buffoon living in number 11 is not the Sherriff of Nottingham, and we are pretty peed-off with paying their incredible taxes
is something that we will have to wait and see.
At the end of the day, they are only there due to the electorate, and when you do the dirty on them, you become surplus to requirement, and get voted out. Whichever "Muppets" win the next general election in about 2 years time, they must get the message that enough is enough !!
Matt.
animal for priminister any day :lol: :lol: but what did we get.......fozzy,already had miss piggy followed on by kermit so whos next perhaps that mad chef :? boordy boordy boord :!:
(RIP) PLANK
07-05-2008, 11:25
If you go to the doctors you expecgt DOCOTR a proper qualified one!
to the dentist a DENTIST a proper qualified one
a vet for your dog? has to be qualified etc etc etc
running the country, social scientists? NO, Economists? NO
just a bunch of muppets that have won the popularity contest that is western democracy, no experience or qualifications required!
and that is the basic problem, they all share a simmilar money grabing greedy vision of the future, with everyone and every contry in direct competition with everyone else.
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