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Decided to go & check out a few lane's in & around Basildon to & 1 of the lane's has been stolen by the TRAVELLERS :mad:
Here are a few picys...
The illegal entrance now taken over by the Police / Bailiffs / Council & Security...
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m98/adam_n_johnson/Random/49710b3a.jpg
The legal entrance with protesters & tv...
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m98/adam_n_johnson/Random/c422b7b9.jpg
The funny thing is when I stopped to take a picy of the Police side, a power trip security guard told me to move on :nenau I said why as it is a public road & live a few minutes away & just wanted to see what was happening... He got all high & mighty so I unleashed the Essex Boy Mouth on him :naughty :augie :lol It's been on tv enough so what harm was I doing & I was doing nothing wrong :nenau
What is the country coming too... :nenau
What annoys me is that although the land may be green belt, they own it...
But nothing has been said about the byway, 2 bridleways & several footpaths that have been built on by the TRAVELLERS :mad: :banghead
You can do what the hell you want mate with your camera, he can shove his over inflated ego up his arse.
chrisdib
25-09-2011, 21:32
good point, usually if you build so much as a bird nest over a bridleway or common footpath you have hikers and "walking enthusiasts" all over you tearing down fences and claiming the right to walk through your living room etc...
they seem oddly absent when facing a group of people that seem strangley above the law (i.e one threw a hot cup of tea on the t.v into a bailiffs face while the police stood by and did nothing)
Deleted account DD
26-09-2011, 19:09
If you specifically photograph or appear to be photographing him (the security guard) he can object.
If your taking a photo of a public place AND youre not inciting or harassing, anyone/anything in that area and in view is fair play.
All of that has been well established over the past few years.
Your not the 1st in the services to say that & as you can see he wasn't in the shot :thumbs
I am now taking that route to work just to p**s him off :augie
I do find it a waste time & money though as they won't go & there not making any attempt to move them :nenau
All I can see happening now is more pikys & people who have had planing turned down on green belt now building as this highly publicised topic clearly shows that the powers to be won't do anything :rolleyes:
We had a field near to us which was acquired by travellers and over 1 Bank Holiday they had erected a closeboard fence round it (It's a good 4 acres as well)put roadways in and had moved in.
I was shocked to say the least.......but I will give it to them for getting the lot done in a short space of time.Anyway I thought well that's it now they will be here for good ,but in the space of 2 weeks they were moved on completely,the entrance had great boulders placed at it and they haven't been back in 2 years.
I'd say there was a good 50 caravans there as well...............the authorities can move them on if they want too very quickly which is what they should have done at Dale Farm when all this first started.
So I will give Oxfordshire Council a :clap for being on the ball with travellers.
Bee Elzebub
26-09-2011, 21:12
There's another ex-Pikey Park alongside the A130, on the northbound-side half-way from the Southend Arterial (A127) & the A12 (near Exchange Bridge, I think it is) - that was full to bursting point with caravans at one point, and got cleared miraculously on just one day, a couple of years back. The entrances were all blocked off with rubble & all sorts - waste of a good bit of land, I think... (Mind you, I wouldn't want to live right next to a noisy dual carriageway)...
The problem with Dale Farm is that it's established & has tin tents, statics, bungalows & houses on it :eek:
Most of the homes & tracks off that stretch of the A127 are all piky :mad:
Essex County Council should of acted over a decade ago :rolleyes:
Basildon is nick named piky city :o
& the reason why it winds me up so much is because my mum's mum & relation's where proper Romany Gypsy's & they were very clean, never stole or swor & would help anybody.
When this tax dodging, thieving scum call themselves "Gypsys" I take it as an insult & also "travellers" when they don't travel anywhere :banghead apart from when they get moved on :question
When doing dustcart's a few job's back I had to collect from a few site's & there so aggressive toward's people it's unreal. I've had a few run in's with the low life scum both verbally & physically & I don't understand why more people especially the local council's & police :nenau don't stand up to them :nenau
I was once threatened with arrest for using the word 'Gyppo' at a meeting organised by our local authority to identify potential sites for them!
The police officer in question said that I had to respect their right to diversity and that my remarks were racist. I guess he forgot where his wages were coming from?
Anecdote Ends
Alan
I agree with Adz, i have a friend who's grandparents were Romany Gypsies and you couldn't meet nicer people. As for these travellers they are just theiving scum who drive round our housing estates several times a day looking for sprap. If they see something they fancy on your land and you are about they ask for it and if you say no they are abusive then come back later and steal it anyway:mad:
Deleted account DD
27-09-2011, 17:25
I guess he forgot where his wages were coming from?
That comment alone suggests to me you lost a grip on the real world :naughty
Deleted account DD
27-09-2011, 17:34
The problem with Dale Farm is that it's established & has tin tents, statics, bungalows & houses on it :eek:
Problem with Dale Farm is that its there. Full stop.
Unlawful development with retrospective planning application is no way to go.
Unfortunately the law seems to help the guilty on this one and restrict the enforcers. Really winds me up seeing the residents now assisted by professional protesters gobbing off.
Is this a sort of racist thread? Thought they were banned on here but maybe it only applies to "local" racism and as these are allegedly Irish maybe that's ok. My thoughts are if "An Englishman's home is his castle" it should perhaps be changed to "An Englishman's country is his castle", then maybe people in the UK would stick together and these situations wouldn't ever arise. Somebody sold them this land, and probably an Englishman who maybe wasn't too concerned about his neighbours opinion. I'm sure he is on his neighbours Christmas card list. We have this trouble here too, councils will put them anywhere the locals don't have a lot of money or influence, in a few places where the councils tried to locate them, the wealthy neighbours went to the courts and got it stopped. Interesting to note that it wasn't because the councils were trying to build halting sites for them, but because the council were not providing the proper amenities for the travellers. Nice spin, the rich and powerful insisted they had no problem with having the halting site in their area but were opposing the council's failure to provide the correct infrastructure. Naturallly, the council didn't want to spend a pile of money bringing the site up to the required standard, so they went ahead and built one where the locals probably had less money than the travellers.
Deleted account DD
27-09-2011, 19:32
Is this a sort of racist thread?
Nope not remotely racist when considering dale farm. Effectively an unlawful development, theyve played the game and are on the losing slide.
Its a very very common trick amongst them to build them apply for retrospective planning permission.
They have induced the racist element with pathetic signage alleging genocide.
If theyre short of accommodation they can go on the local authorities housing list.
Id love to fit a detached bungalow in our garden but am I allowed to do it? no , so will i do it ..............no.
Deleted account DD
27-09-2011, 19:40
We have this trouble here too, councils will put them anywhere the locals don't have a lot of money or influence
The local authorities where i used to live and where i live now have never practised that.
They take a robust approach to unlawful encampments. They also offer alternatives and thinking of two I am aware of they are on the periphery of brown fields or industrial sites and no chew.
I would suggest many are playing the game and are failing on a self induced conundrum. if they want to travel, go on caravan sites not grass verges. If they don't want to travel, buy a house or land LAWFULLY like the rest of us.
Simples :D
Dave, illegal building and retrospective planning applications was practiced by building professionals long before these groups were using it as a tactic. They had good teachers in the building game and learned fast. It's the governments and councils that are slow to learn. If the UK is anything like Ireland, I'm sure quite a number of house extensions and loft or barn conversions have been built and then had a retrospective planning application put in. The question that comes to mind is why is there retrospective planning in the first place? Surely if a builder is going to build something he knows what he is building before he starts? My understanding is that it is a mechanism to allow planning to be obtained for one type of building and when the builder "accidently" builds it too big or too high, he can apply after it is built and with a damn good chance of retaining it in it's new size/shape. And of course, once one guy gets away with it, others jump on the bandwagon and all because there has been previous approval to another builder by the same council. Hard to say no to Peter when you have already said yes to Paul for a similar issue. So it seems it is really a flaw in the planning process, which a section of the community seem willing to exploit and the government and councils are unwilling to change it because they get a lot of support from the building industry. I think the bottom line on this, as always, is money. Follow the money trail to see where it leads and you will find the reason why it has dragged on so long. Have you had them move on to privately scenic areas and look for money to move off them, before the lengthy court process is begun? It worked here for a while and some of them made a few quid, don't hear much about it now, though.
Bee Elzebub
27-09-2011, 20:28
Liam, it isn't about some of them being Irish - we all know a few really nice Irish folks where we all live; we work with them, sometimes drink with them - we all know that the vast majority of ordinary Irish folks are hard-working, decent folks (like the majority of us cosmopolitanly-blooded "English" folks, in fact) - so, racist? Definitely not!
The bulk of the wives & kids of the "settled travellers" on Dale Farm are allegedly of Irish origin (although purportedly ok) and most are trying to 'integrate' locally (I heard that they have over 100 kids at the nearest infant/juniors school [leaving less than a dozen local kids who live in nearby houses]...), and are registered for various facilities (like Surgeries, etc), so they obviously prefer to stay...but although the Council offered many of them housing to get them off the 'camp', many refused, because unfortunately, a big chunk of their menfolk ARE villainous types who are involved in all sorts of regional wrangling, etc, and don't want to be held-down by law & order...
Whatever the outcome, there's good & bad on both sides of the law in this particular case (not helped at all by the influx of professional scroungers/freeloaders/"protestors" - all of whom would have been kicked into touch by any TRUE self-respecting Romany); the whole issue's a mess - I wouldn't want to be living anywhere near that region once the bulldozers finally go in; the "travellers" will probably invade anything nearby that isn't solidly-barricaded...
I really feel sympathy for REAL travellers - the get lumped with a lot of crap that isn't their own doing, but seldom get the chance to voice their feelings. I almost wish I had the true freedom to live a wanderers' lifestyle, but there's just too much prejudice & animosity against the foot-loose, these days...
Deleted account DD
27-09-2011, 20:57
Liam,my understanding is that the intention of retrospective planning permission was to allow lee way for genuine cock ups, misunderstandings and allow a time scale for interpretation of new legislation, ie they couldnt really suss it until it was built.
Yes no doubt its been widely abused but it has also been widely dealt with and quite a lot of demolition companies have made a good living on contract :thumb2
However there's certain people who make a lifestyle, by choice, on the retro permission game and they shouldn't whinge when they lose just as these non travelling travellers have ;)
Tear the place down.
Problem with Dale Farm is that its there. Full stop.
Unlawful development with retrospective planning application is no way to go.
Unfortunately the law seems to help the guilty on this one and restrict the enforcers. Really winds me up seeing the residents now assisted by professional protesters gobbing off.
I feel sorry for people like yourself who more than likely feel the same but can't do anything :doh Once the uniform goes on your in the firing line straight away as was I when I did door work...
But we both know where this could take the thread :doh :augie :lol :thumbs
Is this a sort of racist thread? Thought they were banned on here but maybe it only applies to "local" racism and as these are allegedly Irish maybe that's ok. My thoughts are if "An Englishman's home is his castle" it should perhaps be changed to "An Englishman's country is his castle", then maybe people in the UK would stick together and these situations wouldn't ever arise. Somebody sold them this land, and probably an Englishman who maybe wasn't too concerned about his neighbours opinion. I'm sure he is on his neighbours Christmas card list. We have this trouble here too, councils will put them anywhere the locals don't have a lot of money or influence, in a few places where the councils tried to locate them, the wealthy neighbours went to the courts and got it stopped. Interesting to note that it wasn't because the councils were trying to build halting sites for them, but because the council were not providing the proper amenities for the travellers. Nice spin, the rich and powerful insisted they had no problem with having the halting site in their area but were opposing the council's failure to provide the correct infrastructure. Naturallly, the council didn't want to spend a pile of money bringing the site up to the required standard, so they went ahead and built one where the locals probably had less money than the travellers.
NOPE
For a start it's all over tv :rolleyes:
& the only reason I posted it was because
1. It's stolen public rights of way
&
2. The security tit peed me off :o :lol
Without getting this into a racist thread WHICH IT ISNT I don't care who live's in what ever country or what colour there skin is as long as they live lawfully & PIKYS DON'T.!
not far from me, a guy built a mansion without planning permission, needless to say, nobody lives at that address now....and let me tell you, its not a small house.
the law is fairly clear here, they shouldnt be there despite how long it has taken the council to "react". times run out, and they dont like it. tits.
But the point is there still there & locals no there not going unless they use force which they have said they wont . . .
& its cost shed loads to achieve nothing. . .
Knocking it won't end it, they still own the site and it is a pretty safe bet they won't be planting flowers on it. They have already won and I suppose this is what really galls people, the people in power have had centuries to legislate to prevent this and have failed, not just in the UK, but all over. Dave knows that laws only work for the law abiding, criminals don't give a damn about laws because they choose to live outside them anyway. Anyway, I hope all those affected by this and who are law abiding realise they need to be as persistent as the travellers in pursuing their own councils and MPs to close the loopholes in planning and be proactive in the future, not reactive.
That comment alone suggests to me you lost a grip on the real world :naughty
Unfortunately I think you might be right, and it may have happened some time ago :)
Alan
Thomas-the-Terrano2
27-09-2011, 22:13
I dont believe this is a racist thread,
though I know that the use of the p
word is racist and as we've been there
so many times before I don't wish to
see incitement to racial hatred in this
forum.
I modified the first two posts and I don't
wish to see it again.
as before there was a warning, and then
there was deletion of comments.
Lets ease of on the stereo typing too please
theres plenty of criminals living in houses
and from all backgrounds.
solarman216
27-09-2011, 23:18
My thoughts are that this club is not the place for this sort of stuff, can we not stick to 4 x 4 related issues, I know that it has links in that a green lane has been affected but that is where it should stop is my opinion, Rick
I dont believe this is a racist thread,
though I know that the use of the p
word is racist and as we've been there
so many times before I don't wish to
see incitement to racial hatred in this
forum.
I modified the first two posts and I don't
wish to see it again.
as before there was a warning, and then
there was deletion of comments.
Lets ease of on the stereo typing too please
theres plenty of criminals living in houses
and from all backgrounds.
Well I've said what I wanted. Sincerely hope it gets sorted ok for ALL concerned. To be honest, if people have strong feelings on something, it is going to get aired somewhere.
My thoughts are that this club is not the place for this sort of stuff, can we not stick to 4 x 4 related issues
Pointless statement I'm affraid as people took the P when I said there was no real 4x4 talk on here hence me going over to the 4WD Club.
What song moves you has sweet FA to do with 4x4's.....................
Well I've said what I wanted. Sincerely hope it gets sorted ok for ALL concerned. To be honest, if people have strong feelings on something, it is going to get aired somewhere.
:thumbs :clap Thank-you :bow
Deleted account DD
28-09-2011, 19:59
My thoughts are that this club is not the place for this sort of stuff, can we not stick to 4 x 4 related issues, I know that it has links in that a green lane has been affected but that is where it should stop is my opinion, Rick
The forum reflects life based around a common interest of 4x4s.
Wouldnt life be boring if we all went to the pub and only drank beer instead of talking about sex, politics and the world in general.
The simple answer is again, if youre not interested in a thread dont read it.
I do actually remember a certain thread on here talking about celebrating beating the planning system unconnected with 4x4s :augie:augie:naughty
Pot , Kettle, Black perhaps ?
solarman216
28-09-2011, 21:05
OK point taken, Rick:thumbs
Deleted account DD
28-09-2011, 21:35
OK point taken, Rick:thumbs
:thumb2
Thomas-the-Terrano2
28-09-2011, 21:39
Pointless statement I'm affraid as people took the P when I said there was no real 4x4 talk on here hence me going over to the 4WD Club.
What song moves you has sweet FA to do with 4x4's.....................
:thumbs :clap Thank-you :bow
Perhaps if you spent less time making negative comments about the site
and contributed the sort of posts you say it lacks we'd have less of these
nothing threads. As for the other place I'd be suprised if it has no pub
or joke area as every other forum I use has a mixture.
Lost public rights of way are by definition on private land so 'our' right to
roam is nothing compared to the abuse of someone's property.
Perhaps in a round about way Basildon will resolve this though I'm sure it
will be more of a fortunate coincidence, just as its a unforturnute one that
saw the loss and probably in the overall scheme of things going to fall way
down the list of priorities.
If it's a nothing thread then it is well suited to this forum as it's not a proper 4x4 forum anymore... :rolleyes:
& for a "nothing thread" it seem's to have enough hit's to say people are curious or interested... :nenau
Yes the other forum's have "virtual pub's / banter / general" area's but they do stick to 4x4 / vehicle based thread's.!
Apart from the thread : New Project (http://www.nissan4x4ownersclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12915) by Flying Torquewrench which is absolutely breath taking & can't praise him enough :bow there isn't much else on here that is 4x4 related...
This thread relate's to public right of way which is 4x4 related & very much in the news...
I tried to the point of no return to do local meets & laning trips as did extreme-4x4 & we had no interest, so that sums it up to me...
So what do i now have to post to become a something thread... :nenau
Deleted account DD
30-09-2011, 19:18
If it's a nothing thread then it is well suited to this forum as it's not a proper 4x4 forum anymore... :rolleyes:
Waaaayyyyyyyy waaaayyyyyyyy waaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy off the mark.
Your post set me off thinking , and monitoring and as pointed out to you your aproach to matters 4x4 are the main problem. Theres as many topics on 4x4s as there are beers to sup so you may not find anything you want on here just like going into ( as they were) a courage pub in the sarf.
However this is a nissan 4x4 owners club and when i logged in tonight the new posts were pretty typical of the way the club is going, 54 of them and every one bar 2 relating to nissan 4x4 vehicles and activities :D:D:D
Yeah, I'll agree with that :thumbs
So its the health and safety of Vocabulary........what is the world coming to when you can't say words in case someone else is offended. :doh
MODIFED I find offensive :mad:, especially when it involves those that wish to spread their do-good chastisement of free speech. :mad:
Negative English attitudes towards "pikeys" were a running theme in the 2000 Guy Ritchie film Snatch {So don't watch this film}. In 2003 the Firle Bonfire Society burned an effigy of a family of gypsies inside a caravan after travelers damaged local land. The number plate on the caravan read P1KEY. A storm of protests and accusations of racism rapidly followed. Twelve members of the society were arrested but the Crown Prosecution Service decided that there was insufficient evidence to proceed on a charge of 'incitement to racial hatred'.
The fact is, if you mention to people in West Wales "pikey" they think your talking about fish! :nenau
On the point of removals @ Dale farm, I think they should clear the one side of it that has the offending buildings and move them the the other end.
Upon which they could then errect huge towers of scaffolding and stack the caravans so they peer really high above the landscape and high above the green belt - PROBLEM SOLVED :clap
lacroupade
01-10-2011, 10:53
So its the health and safety of Vocabulary........what is the world coming to when you can't say words in case someone else is offended. :doh
MODIFED I find offensive :mad:, especially when it involves those that wish to spread their do-good chastisement of free speech. :mad:
Negative English attitudes towards "pikeys" were a running theme in the 2000 Guy Ritchie film Snatch {So don't watch this film}. In 2003 the Firle Bonfire Society burned an effigy of a family of gypsies inside a caravan after travelers damaged local land. The number plate on the caravan read P1KEY. A storm of protests and accusations of racism rapidly followed. Twelve members of the society were arrested but the Crown Prosecution Service decided that there was insufficient evidence to proceed on a charge of 'incitement to racial hatred'.
The fact is, if you mention to people in West Wales "pikey" they think your talking about fish! :nenau
On the point of removals @ Dale farm, I think they should clear the one side of it that has the offending buildings and move them the the other end.
Upon which they could then errect huge towers of scaffolding and stack the caravans so they peer really high above the landscape and high above the green belt - PROBLEM SOLVED :clap
Its a difficult one for the simple reason that there are two types of so-called travellers; a few are genuine Roma and have maintained their lifestyle for many hundreds of years, the bulk however are n'ere-do-wells from the Irish Republic (not reflecting in any way the general population there) who choose to live on the road because its the easiest way to escape taxes and general social responsibility (except for themselves) and be free to dump their rubbish, tarmac and tree cuttings anywhere they choose.
My humble view is that anyone who chooses to live outside society is denied the usual rights that the rest of us have, i.e. access to health, education etc..
And not sure which bit of West Wales you live in but its clearly a long way from the road to Haverford West LOL. In Llandovery we choose to close our shop for 2-3 weeks every year when the car park is taken over by several dozen caravans and left like a shithole after they are finally driven off by the council - otherwise we get shoplifters in almost daily.
I don't care if you're black, white, green or yellow, english, irish or bloody chinese, if you shit up my countryside and don't pay your taxes then you get what you deserve.
This whole Dale Farm thing is just a planning issue that needs stamping on, because if it isn't I'll just put a nice bungalow up in a green field by the river and say "I'm a traveller you can't touch me...".
As for the activists that turned up there, euthenasia would be my recommendation.
Deleted account DD
01-10-2011, 18:13
well said that cranky old git :clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap
Its a difficult one for the simple reason that there are two types of so-called travellers; a few are genuine Roma and have maintained their lifestyle for many hundreds of years, the bulk however are n'ere-do-wells from the Irish Republic (not reflecting in any way the general population there) who choose to live on the road because its the easiest way to escape taxes and general social responsibility (except for themselves) and be free to dump their rubbish, tarmac and tree cuttings anywhere they choose.
My humble view is that anyone who chooses to live outside society is denied the usual rights that the rest of us have, i.e. access to health, education etc..
And not sure which bit of West Wales you live in but its clearly a long way from the road to Haverford West LOL. In Llandovery we choose to close our shop for 2-3 weeks every year when the car park is taken over by several dozen caravans and left like a shithole after they are finally driven off by the council - otherwise we get shoplifters in almost daily.
I don't care if you're black, white, green or yellow, english, irish or bloody chinese, if you shit up my countryside and don't pay your taxes then you get what you deserve.
This whole Dale Farm thing is just a planning issue that needs stamping on, because if it isn't I'll just put a nice bungalow up in a green field by the river and say "I'm a traveller you can't touch me...".
As for the activists that turned up there, euthenasia would be my recommendation.
well said that cranky old git :clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap
:thumbs :thumbs :clap :bow :clap :thumbs :thumbs
felixthelogchopper
09-10-2011, 22:30
Its a difficult one for the simple reason that there are two types of so-called travellers; a few are genuine Roma and have maintained their lifestyle for many hundreds of years, the bulk however are n'ere-do-wells from the Irish Republic (not reflecting in any way the general population there) who choose to live on the road because its the easiest way to escape taxes and general social responsibility (except for themselves) and be free to dump their rubbish, tarmac and tree cuttings anywhere they choose.
My humble view is that anyone who chooses to live outside society is denied the usual rights that the rest of us have, i.e. access to health, education etc..
And not sure which bit of West Wales you live in but its clearly a long way from the road to Haverford West LOL. In Llandovery we choose to close our shop for 2-3 weeks every year when the car park is taken over by several dozen caravans and left like a shithole after they are finally driven off by the council - otherwise we get shoplifters in almost daily.
I don't care if you're black, white, green or yellow, english, irish or bloody chinese, if you shit up my countryside and don't pay your taxes then you get what you deserve.
This whole Dale Farm thing is just a planning issue that needs stamping on, because if it isn't I'll just put a nice bungalow up in a green field by the river and say "I'm a traveller you can't touch me...".
As for the activists that turned up there, euthenasia would be my recommendation.
Best take on the whole issue yet. :thumb2
At long last the Police are removing the hippy protesters that have nothing to do with the site & are bulldozing the far end of the site :clap
I am also glad to see that the byway that had been blocked is now drivable along with 1 of the 3 footpaths :clap but not the bridleways :lol
Great!
At least there will be enough firewood around for a nice big bonfire next month :thumb2:thumbs:thumb2:clap
Zero Carbon - sounds good.
Most of it's been burnt already :lol
Been sirens on & off all day & the police helicopters been above all day on & off...
On Sunday I took a cruise through Stow on the Wold in the Cotswolds(as you do) and lo and behold the place was surrounded by travellers.In fact they were quite comfy on the edge of the Sainsbury's car park as well.They seem to have made themselves at home in a couple of fields and along some of the roads. I think that may upset a few posh folk.:eek:
Deleted account DD
19-10-2011, 19:49
If I were stereotyping id say a couple of caravans I saw being towed m25/m11 today by by transit vans advertising double glazing and building services, looked like they may well have come from there.
In fact recalling the drivers pissed off expressions (especially the one who was ranting down his phone) I reckon they were from there or thereabouts :D
Thomas-the-Terrano2
19-10-2011, 21:30
hands free i hope, wonder if they were inspected for vehicle legality.
lacroupade
20-10-2011, 13:43
big crowd of em due here soon, they come every year, fill the car park for a month and basically shut the town down.
Don't even start me.:mad:
makeitfit
20-10-2011, 14:33
Same in Cardigan but in November, batten down the hatches for a couple of weeks then :o
Fair "night" equals two weeks of missing c/h oil, lead roofs and dodgey tarmac drives :lol
The scum have now moved in, in a field on the other side of the A127 :banghead
:banghead :mad: Be another 10 years now for the other side to get moved off :mad: :banghead
Genuinely feel for all affected by this, it is not pleasant and unfortunately, every time the problem is solved in one area, it just pops up somewhere else. Bit like moles, I suppose, only a much bigger problem. I think the only possible solution is proper ID cards for non nationals, of all races, then at least the people concerned could be returned to their rightful owners (country), in this case back here. You have my genuine sympathy on this one, lads and ladies.
:thumbs
Baz Vegas is on lock down with wanna be copper Security Guard's on power trip's & shed load's of police everywhere :mad:
Deleted account DD
20-10-2011, 19:49
:thumbs
Baz Vegas is on lock down with wanna be copper Security Guard's on power trip's & shed load's of police everywhere :mad:
http://www.chavtowns.co.uk/2005/10/basildon-baz-vegas/
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :clap :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
The Patrolman
20-10-2011, 22:21
Driving back from Brentwood to Rayleigh yesterday I saw the Police chopper above DF.
But a mile further along the 127 there was an Apachie gunship copter hovering (probably unrelated)
How good would it be if It came in close to DF and spun up the gattling guns. That would clear the scaffold I bet!!
Deleted account DD
20-10-2011, 22:55
Driving back from Brentwood to Rayleigh yesterday I saw the Police chopper above DF.
But a mile further along the 127 there was an Apachie gunship copter hovering (probably unrelated)
How good would it be if It came in close to DF and spun up the gattling guns. That would clear the scaffold I bet!!
:thumb2:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol
harlowmaverick
21-10-2011, 08:03
Can someone please explain to me the meaning of travellers or romanie gypsys.
Now I thought that these were people that didn't like to stay in one place and loved the open road.
So how come they have built buildings and homes on dale farm?
Here in Harlow we also have a large travellers community with several dedicated sites through out our town.
The fair tax payers of our town paid for these sites, the ammenities on them and we even built them rather plush bungalows on one site that the travellers decided to keep their horses in.
So can someone please clear this up for me, I am certain that the dale farm travellers will be well looked after if they ever came to harlow as our council seem to look after the lot that are here very well at the cost to the residents of Harlow
lacroupade
21-10-2011, 10:34
Can someone please explain to me the meaning of travellers or romanie gypsys.
Now I thought that these were people that didn't like to stay in one place and loved the open road.
So how come they have built buildings and homes on dale farm?
Here in Harlow we also have a large travellers community with several dedicated sites through out our town.
The fair tax payers of our town paid for these sites, the ammenities on them and we even built them rather plush bungalows on one site that the travellers decided to keep their horses in.
So can someone please clear this up for me, I am certain that the dale farm travellers will be well looked after if they ever came to harlow as our council seem to look after the lot that are here very well at the cost to the residents of Harlow
If Plank was around he'd explain theres a world of difference between the two in some respects. Which isn't to say there arent dodgy Roma (witness that prog the other night about Romanian child beggars and benefit scams)...both parties are travellers by nature and both ethnic (true Roma come from India originally a thousand years or so ago) while the Dale Farm travellers are mostly chancers from the RoI who come over to make a bit (well a lot actually) of tax-free money and generally live outside the law.
Long-term 'British' Roma I believe tend to be much better behaved in general, although for obvious reasons they feel an affinity of some sort with the Irish travellers which I think can cloud some peoples judgement. If you've ever met a REAL Irish tinker you'd know that todays travellers bear little relation to their way of life, other than living it in laybys. In the RoI modern travellers (who are just as much an issue there as here) are often referred to in a derogatory way as 'knackers' LOL.
As I said earlier, I don't care what a man does as long as he pays his taxes and doesn't thieve from me or anyone else. Sadly, whatever the pro-traveller factions like to say, the vast majority of peoples experiences with travellers on the move is pretty dire to say the least. I'd suggest thats a bit of a contrast with years gone by but its a sad reflection on todays society.:(
As I said, my mum's side of the family are PROPER ROMAINI GYPSY'S & there's a hell of a difference which I can't be bothered to go into ;)
& there not "Travellers" because they don't.! Until there moved on.!
If Plank was around he'd explain theres a world of difference between the two in some respects. Which isn't to say there arent dodgy Roma (witness that prog the other night about Romanian child beggars and benefit scams)...both parties are travellers by nature and both ethnic (true Roma come from India originally a thousand years or so ago) while the Dale Farm travellers are mostly chancers from the RoI who come over to make a bit (well a lot actually) of tax-free money and generally live outside the law.
Long-term 'British' Roma I believe tend to be much better behaved in general, although for obvious reasons they feel an affinity of some sort with the Irish travellers which I think can cloud some peoples judgement. If you've ever met a REAL Irish tinker you'd know that todays travellers bear little relation to their way of life, other than living it in laybys. In the RoI modern travellers (who are just as much an issue there as here) are often referred to in a derogatory way as 'knackers' LOL.
As I said earlier, I don't care what a man does as long as he pays his taxes and doesn't thieve from me or anyone else. Sadly, whatever the pro-traveller factions like to say, the vast majority of peoples experiences with travellers on the move is pretty dire to say the least. I'd suggest thats a bit of a contrast with years gone by but its a sad reflection on todays society.:(
Point about "REAL Irish tinker" is a good one. Don't think there is any of the "tinkers" that used to travel around fixing tin pots and pans etc. around anymore. Irish travellers originated I thought in large part with the past control of the land and property system and the poor being evicted onto the side of the road and travelling around from place to place in search of work, doing odd jobs etc. A set of customs, traditions, way of life, etc. then developed among these "travelling" people. As a group its probably hard to say much about them other than some seem to be quiet, humble, deacent skins living in challanging circumstances and others ................. The actions of some travellers are a problem in Ireland and it is unfortunate that the actions of some are also a problem to many people in the UK as well.
Think the issue and the discussion here is not really one of racism but one of the law and why it is applied to some in some areas one way and to others in other areas other ways.
Think the issue and the discussion here is not really one of racism but one of the law and why it is applied to some in some areas one way and to others in other areas other ways.
It's all about money, if you haven't any, they'll build a halting site right next to you, but if you have money, and can go through the courts, good chance there will be no halting site next to you. For Dublin, no halting sites in Howth, Killiney, Blackrock, Foxrock, Leopardstown, etc. etc. However, Tallaght, Coolock, Finglas, Ballymun, et. etc. Outside Dublin, you don't see too many in Kildare, Meath, Tipperary. But Limerick, Galway, Westmeath is a different matter. Funny they only seem to gather where the less well off live, don't you think?
lacroupade
22-10-2011, 14:11
It's all about money, if you haven't any, they'll build a halting site right next to you, but if you have money, and can go through the courts, good chance there will be no halting site next to you. For Dublin, no halting sites in Howth, Killiney, Blackrock, Foxrock, Leopardstown, etc. etc. However, Tallaght, Coolock, Finglas, Ballymun, et. etc. Outside Dublin, you don't see too many in Kildare, Meath, Tipperary. But Limerick, Galway, Westmeath is a different matter. Funny they only seem to gather where the less well off live, don't you think?
...or where they are less likely to get moved on I guess LOL.
Dan's right too....shame about the demise of the real McCoy....I remember about 30 years ago driving in Kerry on what was not exactly a boreen but I had to slam on the brakes cos there in the middle of the road was a fire - on the tarmac - with a proper cauldron bubbling away and a tinker sat there with his dog, red spotted scarf, bowler hat as it happened, drinking a cuppa, with his round-top parked behind.
Cheeky bugger never batted an eyelid and I had to drive completely up on to the verge to get round him....I'm still chuckling about it 30 years later :lol
Same is in the UK where 'real' tramps used to walk the roads and live in the woods, not skank about in town begging and sleeping in cardboard boxes.
I'm just getting too old, waffling about "the good ol' days" LMAO! :thumbs
Deleted account DD
22-10-2011, 19:15
you could always go and live in the woods?
genuine travellers are a thing of the past like shipyards
harlowmaverick
28-10-2011, 07:41
What if they turned dale farm into a pay and play site?
You could dig a nice mud pit there for adz, a burger bar for me and annoy the rest of them that are left on the legal camp
Perhaps the council will turn Dale Farm into a Caravan Park.??:eek:
lacroupade
28-10-2011, 12:01
you could always go and live in the woods?
genuine travellers are a thing of the past like shipyards
Do I look like Stig of the Dump? Don't answer that LOL...:lol
(RIP) PLANK
30-10-2011, 20:05
I have to move on from the racist word here to the real 'planning' issue.
More than 50% of homes in the UK do not have planning permission! they were built before it was necessary. Any home built before 1948 did not need it! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_and_Country_Planning_Act_1947 (it's not very accurate but it gives you an idea)
The planning laws were created before the race discrimination act, and the governments failure to ever properly implement the 1968 caravan sites and control of development act has lead to the current problem.
Plus the few sites built under this act are now mostly occupied by privately owned static caravan that are bought and sold on site, the tenancy passing to the new owner - you can't sell the tenancy of a council house can you? Most of the site house no travellers at all!
The influx of Eastern European workers into agricultural jobs traditionally done by travelling people has also had a huge impact on these communities.
What we need now is proper action to create space to accommodate the UK's own ethic minorities!
Think about it even the words the council's use 'Gypsy Site' or 'Travellers Site' are directly racist. We don't have 'Pakistani Housing' or 'Jew Flats' - no caravan a site is a caravan site and no more.
THE TRUTH IS THERE ARE NO WINNERS IN THE DALE FARM SITUATION IT IS THE SAD OUTCOME OF AN AREA OF SOCIAL POLICY THAT HAS BEEN NEGLECTED FOR TO LONG :(
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