number plates

[kbekl]

right can i take the rear plate of the car and attach it to the trailer and not have one on the tail gate ?

also is it ok to use the square plates on a trailer ?

[ssteve]

no and yes

ssteve

[magsleon]

No you need a plate on both :thumbs

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

yes and yes, but its impractical and means moment you unhitch tug is illegal

unless have move plate back to it from trailer.

well thats what i read some time ago

there are many trailered outfits where the trailer is so close coupled to the
tug the tug's plate isnt visible

[kbekl]

well as i thought lol mixed reaction some say it fine others say no lol

reason is thinking about going away friday and cant get one posted to me straight away due to bank holiday friday, and forgot about the camp's plate untill today and i saw the maverick's plate on it lol

the regs say the most rear part of the unit should have a plate so tailgate or the trailer which ever way round it is

[solarman216]

seems to me that the system makes it very hard for honest people to get a plate made but as always the dishonest types do not give a toss anyway and just nick em or carry on regardless, my view is that the back is the place to have the plate and when you un hitch transfer it to the car again, the trailer does not require a plate till it is connected to the car, I have some yellow plastic that is the same shade as a plate and have cut some out same size and use black insulting tape to make the numbers, perfectly readable, that after all is what it is about, Rick

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

can you not get one made, plenty places do them though technically
need to see some id and cars reg doc.

or make one again many places still sell stick on numbers despite
law and as presume is old trailer who is going to prove wasnt made
some time ago.


yep just checked towsure.com sell parts, plate and characters still.

last ones i got, got pair on ebay no questions as such, though did ask
for two yellow plates, as listing was one white one yellow. said one
for caravan one for rubbish trailer. no issues.

[Deleted account DD]

Just be careful regarding the onlne ones. If Mr Anal stop checkes you most of the online no docs "these are show plate" types do not carry the BS mark and the producers details are often changed to "my plate". On both counts this is technically unlawful.

But as TTT2 says re the original number plates no problems :thumb2 So long as you have a lawful style of plate showing to the front and rear of the rig (kbekl reckons) you shouldnt have any probs.

I'll be honest, dont know if thats statutory or good will (will find out today) but Ive never seen anyone knocked off for doing so :thumb2

I cant understand the problem in getting hold of a plat if you have all your docs :nenau the local motor factors opens in about 5 minutes, last time i got one from him i was sticking it on the car 10 minutes later :thumb2

[Deleted account DD]

use black insulting tape to make the numbers, perfectly readable, that after all is what it is about, Rick

and even if the black tape is cut and stuck to the correct dimensions its guaranteed to stay on in the pissing rain............not.

Im not saying I agree or disagree but theres no point in trying to be clever for the sake of a fiver when your giving some keen black rat type the chance to pull you and fine you shed loads more then that and of course it is NOT simply about being able to read them.

Anyway try using nice tape instead of the rude "insulting" version ;)

As regards making it hard for the normal folk, it doesnt. You need to source either a plate or materials to make one from somewhere. A check of the docs by the bloke in the shop adds what, 2 minutes? onto the process..................if you have those docs of course :augie hurdle number one for some folk

Youre correct of course, some crims continue regardless but there is hard evidence to show that when the regs came in for producing number plates ringing offences started to drop. Most crims put minimum effort in. Make it harder some will go find something else to do.

Relating back to my early comments , a non std plate will get you pulled because any LEGITIMATE car owner for the sake of 2 minutes documents check can have a 100% outwardly lawful appearance, the crims may or may not and if they havent, well worth a tug, youve got a clue that something may be amiss right in front of you. The same applies to Captain Sticky tape. The devils in the detail when you know what youre looking at :thumb2

[solarman216]

Oh it would be nice if things were as simple, I have a Brian James car trailer and the number plate is in the middle under slung on springy brackets cos the design accepts that it is going to ground at every opportunity and I have lost count of the number of plates that I have made and lost or damaged, I have tried looking at another place to hang it, but there is just nowhere, and have you ever tried to prove address when you have no services whatsoever = no utility bills, Rick

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

regarding ebay plates, and mine look good proper font, gb euro badge
are these as unlawful on a trailer as they would be on car. oh and
screw it to trailer light board as i lost one that was stuck on really well
so glad my spare was yellow too.

i wonder when you see so many european trailers that have rolled on rolled
off by ferry with uk tractor units with a a plate held on by a chain, ok correct
for tractor but not lit and bouncing around.

[lacroupade]

and even if the black tape is cut and stuck to the correct dimensions its guaranteed to stay on in the pissing rain............not.

Im not saying I agree or disagree but theres no point in trying to be clever for the sake of a fiver when your giving some keen black rat type the chance to pull you and fine you shed loads more then that and of course it is NOT simply about being able to read them.

Anyway try using nice tape instead of the rude "insulting" version ;)

As regards making it hard for the normal folk, it doesnt. You need to source either a plate or materials to make one from somewhere. A check of the docs by the bloke in the shop adds what, 2 minutes? onto the process..................if you have those docs of course :augie hurdle number one for some folk

Youre correct of course, some crims continue regardless but there is hard evidence to show that when the regs came in for producing number plates ringing offences started to drop. Most crims put minimum effort in. Make it harder some will go find something else to do.

Relating back to my early comments , a non std plate will get you pulled because any LEGITIMATE car owner for the sake of 2 minutes documents check can have a 100% outwardly lawful appearance, the crims may or may not and if they havent, well worth a tug, youve got a clue that something may be amiss right in front of you. The same applies to Captain Sticky tape. The devils in the detail when you know what youre looking at :thumb2

In the interests of intelligent debate, I'd just like to say...

BOLLOX!!.....

There will always be some fekwit statistician somewhere who can bend the figures to justify the next pathetic, mean-spirited, bureaucratic bit of shite-arse legislation like "having a BS mark on you number plate" - just like they did with speed cameras for years.

FFS this country is run by a bunch of school prefects intent on squeezing the little man on the street into a little mental cube so that he can be managed to perfection by the state........

Well they can all F*CK OFF!!

:augie:lol:lol:lol

[kbekl]

my local motorfactors dont do plates did a google search and only the online ones came up, didnt think halfraud's did them anymore.

so went out this morning to find one £20 down i now have a plate

i was just asking the question just on the off chance that i couldnt find one for tonight not bothered about doc check get that when i go to cowm leisure centre

[Deleted account DD]

Oh it would be nice if things were as simple, I have a Brian James car trailer and the number plate is in the middle under slung on springy brackets cos the design accepts that it is going to ground at every opportunity and I have lost count of the number of plates that I have made and lost or damaged, I have tried looking at another place to hang it, but there is just nowhere, and have you ever tried to prove address when you have no services whatsoever = no utility bills, Rick

So you have flawed design on the trailer, not fit for purpose. Modify the damned thing. Theres always a way.

Youre telling me you dont have either a bank acount, deeds to land, credit card, savings/investments or pay council tax. I find it hard to believe you have none. Any one of which will suffice with an explanation. ;)

[Deleted account DD]

my local motorfactors dont do plates did a google search and only the online ones came up, didnt think halfraud's did them anymore.

so went out this morning to find one £20 down i now have a plate

i was just asking the question just on the off chance that i couldnt find one for tonight not bothered about doc check get that when i go to cowm leisure centre

actually it looks as though you, TTT2 and myself are wrong :nenau the chances of you getting stuck on for the swapping number plate thing is slim. But (after being accused of asking wtf questions) I was reliably informed for a vehicle to be road legal you need plates front and rear. if youre towing you then need the same vrm on a plate displayed on the back of the trailer.

all good shit :D

[solarman216]

So you have flawed design on the trailer, not fit for purpose. Modify the damned thing. Theres always a way.

Youre telling me you dont have either a bank acount, deeds to land, credit card, savings/investments or pay council tax. I find it hard to believe you have none. Any one of which will suffice with an explanation. ;)

yes have a bank account, tried a statement once, folded it neatly so only name address details shown etc, handed it over then the guy went to his office to photo copy it, will not do that again, you do not get deeds any more all electronic at Land Registry, do not have a credit card, and have not paid council tax for 8 years, and in any case my vehicles are not registered at my home address, they are registered at my daughters, the reason is we used to travel for months at a time and if we inadvertently got nicked by a camera etc then the notification would have gone to a live person not a dead post box, so we could be informed of said notification, I am not trying to run illegally nor ever will knowingly, but just cannot stand needless red tape, Rick

[Deleted account DD]

yes have a bank account, tried a statement once, folded it neatly so only name address details shown etc, handed it over then the guy went to his office to photo copy it, will not do that again, you do not get deeds any more all electronic at Land Registry, do not have a credit card, and have not paid council tax for 8 years, and in any case my vehicles are not registered at my home address, they are registered at my daughters, the reason is we used to travel for months at a time and if we inadvertently got nicked by a camera etc then the notification would have gone to a live person not a dead post box, so we could be informed of said notification, I am not trying to run illegally nor ever will knowingly, but just cannot stand needless red tape, Rick

we've got the deeds for both our houses :nenau as the vehicle is registered at your daughters addr you can do it from there in any case.

If you havent paid council tax for 8 years Im afraid my sympathy for any difficulties you have experienced have just evaporated . council tax doesnt just pay for the immediate and obvious services such as emptying bins. If you use the local auth maintained roads AT ALL to pick on one example you should contribute.

Nor are the number plate regs uneccesary red tape.

[solarman216]

LR do not have anything to do with paper deeds now, it is all electronic unless a property has not changed hands for the last 8 years or so, and then they are returning the deeds to owners and telling them they are no longer needed, re rates, it is not that we are trying to avoid them, but they will not issue a rate demand cos if they do they have to accept were we live and they are not going to do that, the rest is too complicated, you do tend to make things a little too black and white but there are many shades in between, Rick

[makeitfit]

3 or 4 years ago when we remortgaged the house, we too didn't have the required proof of who we were?:o
No credit cards, no utility bills that were acceptible, we use oil and have mobile phones. The landline we have is contracted under my business as it's much cheaper than bt. Even though we'd lived in the same place for 12 years plus , it didn't help at all :doh
As regards number plates the last lot I had off ebay have the BS no. on them but no makers name. Does that mean they're black rat fodder?:eek:

[ssteve]

[QUOTE=solarman216; but they will not issue a rate demand cos if they do they have to accept were we live and they are not going to do that, Rick[/QUOTE]

land grabber or squatter ?????

ssteve

[solarman216]

land grabber or squatter ?????

ssteve

neither, conversion of an existing farm building, on land we own, Rick

[ssteve]

planning, ha ha ha
good luck!!!!

[lacroupade]

planning, ha ha ha
good luck!!!!

Steve I'm going to complain, your posts are always waaaaay too long mate. :augie:lol

@ Makeitfit...As regards number plates the last lot I had off ebay have the BS no. on them but no makers name. Does that mean they're black rat fodder?

Since you can only buy plates now via the legal system of presenting yourself at the plate producer with relevant documents, you can't buy any legal plates on line anywhere AFAIK. And yes, I think you'll find the platemakers name is more important than the BS mark.

But quite frankly, who gives a flying f*ck! Not me thats for sure!

[Deleted account DD]

LR do not have anything to do with paper deeds now, it is all electronic unless a property has not changed hands for the last 8 years or so, and then they are returning the deeds to owners and telling them they are no longer needed, re rates, it is not that we are trying to avoid them, but they will not issue a rate demand cos if they do they have to accept were we live and they are not going to do that, the rest is too complicated, you do tend to make things a little too black and white but there are many shades in between, Rick

I see all shades of the spectrum dont you worry about that.

You are entirely wrong about availability of paper deeds. We have just changed the details of one property and until wednesday tea time I had the paper documents in front of me for it ;)

Dont forget planning regs are there to ensure unsuitable development and shanty towns dont spring up. Your recent shindig indicated a victory in residency so why havent you started paying? if you are in unlawful occupancy , good luck to the council.

Dont forget every penny you force them to spend in administrating your private war detracts resources from other activities. Particularly pertinant when you arent contributing. Thats not black and white its pure sense.

We live in a society where we should pay our way and live by the general concensus and rule of law. Thats why Manchester is generally a better place than Mogadishu to be.

[Deleted account DD]

@ Makeitfit...As regards number plates the last lot I had off ebay have the BS no. on them but no makers name. Does that mean they're black rat fodder?


without a doubt :D:D



But quite frankly, who gives a flying f*ck! Not me thats for sure!

Me neither. I had ebay "show plates" on my T2 and was about to remove them due to a certain memo that was circulated at work mentioning some of our private and show plates in the context of proffesional standards :augie:augie:augie:augie:D

I also always used to swap number plates onto the back of the caravan from the car never had a problem :thumb2 until the ones on the jeep were stuck on with double sided tape :(:(

[solarman216]

I see all shades of the spectrum dont you worry about that.

You are entirely wrong about availability of paper deeds. We have just changed the details of one property and until wednesday tea time I had the paper documents in front of me for it ;)

Dont forget planning regs are there to ensure unsuitable development and shanty towns dont spring up. Your recent shindig indicated a victory in residency so why havent you started paying? if you are in unlawful occupancy , good luck to the council.

Dont forget every penny you force them to spend in administrating your private war detracts resources from other activities. Particularly pertinant when you arent contributing. Thats not black and white its pure sense.

We live in a society where we should pay our way and live by the general concensus and rule of law. Thats why Manchester is generally a better place than Mogadishu to be.

Land Registry do not keep paper deeds full stop, and as for council tax and cost to society, I well remember the downfall of BCCI, and the disclosure that Rother DC had invested very large sums in said bank at a rate of 15% but in the accounts rates of only 7% were ever disclosed, where did the rest go,well it was well covered up once they discovered they had lost millions of our money, yes I was paying rates then, so please do not preach to me about being honest and paying my way, I am not interested, and yes I have won re the 4 year rule the council guys have visited and were very upset that I had beaten them, but conceded to the loss and even gave advice on how to proceed, as yet the rates people have not rated us, so pray tell me how I can pay rates, Rick

[makeitfit]

Good man Rick :thumbs
Our council "invested" millions in Iceland (banks not freezer shops)and guess what , they fooked up big time:doh
So we get shafted again and so do the kids in school etc.
Poxy council will spend tens of thousands of pounds doing bloody road sweeping on our lanes:eek: What the hell for? Damn lorry bungs up the road worse than a tin tent and is even less efficient at cleaning the road ffs.
Complete waste of money:o
Council tax my arse :p

[Deleted account DD]

Land Registry do not keep paper deeds full stop

Whoever said they KEEP them :nenau they certainly havent got ours, they came from the land registry to the solicitors last week, we had until they went to the bank this week . I can assure you I was sober and they were real.

Funnily enough the courier also accepted the principle that the paper items in his hand were deeds just as they said on them, he signed to that effect and took em away.

Simples ;) just admit it. Youre wrong :nenau


I arent remotely interested interested in ramblings about council investments. Like a lot of organisations, many of them have screwed up and lost money. Twats and pratts.

I agree with pete about misdirected council activities but then they also do an awful lot of good stuff.

As you will be actively pursuing them to take payment of your council tax from now on and for the period you actually have been in residence in that area your conscience will be clear because you will be making relevant contributions and in addition to accepting their capitulation showing the same decent contrition so no problem :nenau

I find it quite amusing when people vaunt a one way victory against the system on a technicality ith no consideration whatsoever for others or the bigger picture then actually complain (id for number plates) .

Just to put this in context for anyone whos thinking "is he having a go here" how about you think about an acre being bought up next to you. I want to buld a shanty town, have friday 7pm to monday 8am public parties and open a camp site to boot. The locals don want it but I try to press ahead and flaunt the rules because i dont give a shit.................................

Would you be impressed? Id guess police and council would be hearing from you to start with.

Thats why why most people most of the time rely on conventional society and its rules despite any superficial rebellious good life tendancies.

[solarman216]

Daved you have missed the point, what I am saying and stand by, is that your paper deeds have no legal status, that is why they invite you to throw them in the bin, if your property is registered with Land Registry then what they hold is all that matters legally, Rick

[Deleted account DD]

Daved you have missed the point, what I am saying and stand by, is that your paper deeds have no legal status, that is why they invite you to throw them in the bin, if your property is registered with Land Registry then what they hold is all that matters legally, Rick


I fully understand the electronic registration but they still do paper and they are doing the rounds so youd be able to get a number plate.

You clearly know better than:


our solicitors
our financial advisor
lloyds
nat west

Ill invite them to consult you but as we have rather a lot of stuff with them and Id rather not upset them I'll go with their advice :)

[briggie]

gentlemen , may i suggest you agree to disagree , shake hands and move on ?

[makeitfit]

Daved I have to challenge your thinkings a bit in regards the change of use that Rick seems to have achieved.
Agreed I wouldn't want the fields here to be built on or the woods cut etc.
However there's loads of ruins in the area that aren't allowed to be refurbed as dwellings due to some crappy council planning laws :doh
Farmers are either massive multi millions pound turnover businesses or little 40 acre jobs lost in the past. These little farms are being squeezed out of existence due to scale. It's compounded then when they cant get permission to change a scabby barn or cowshed into a house or holiday accom etc.
Stupid council :confused: are poo so there :banghead

[briggie]

on a side note , i remember back in the mid 70s when i used to race motorbikes .... making my own number plate for the trailer out of a piece of cardboard , wrote on with marker pen ...... it was legal then ( i think ) well i didnt get stopped :augie

[lacroupade]

Paper deeds still take precedence where they exist....they are a legal document and the fact they are later recorded at the LR (often inaccurately as I have found almost to my cost before) doesn't invalidate their content at the time, especially with things like restrictive covenants etc...

I once bought a detached house with TWO detached double garages thanks to the LR...but the developer got one back when they recognised what they'd done. Had it been a paper deed they'd have been bolloxd.

And four years ago they accurately recorded five acres of our gaff in Wales but left off the bit with the house on....:doh ...but of course I had the title deeds so was able to put them straight....

[Deleted account DD]

Paper deeds still take precedence where they exist....

:thumb2

[Deleted account DD]

Daved I have to challenge your thinkings a bit in regards the change of use that Rick seems to have achieved.


No sweat and i agree local auths can be stupid.

My main point is pay your way. Life is give and take. I was genuinely laughing when i was accused of only seeing black ad white.

Not doing so puts a greater burden on the rest of and does detract from services. ask my hard grafting mate who was given his notice.

Once a decision is reached, in this example the local auth gave ground its only right that that the opposition demonstrates a reciprocal attitude.

[makeitfit]

Fair play :thumbs