road tax

[gilly]

I Hope i have this wrong, tax bands are increasing to reflect co2 output,currently my terrano sits in band f=260g/km. This will move to m=255g/km+, 400 quid... someone tell me i,m wrong? 8O

[jims-terrano]

no idea but you always get scare mongering rumours too. Also in previous years it has also gone on cars registered after a certain date. so don't panic and wait for the truth to come out.

Jim T

[(RIP) PLANK]

i have no idea and dont take this the wrong way but i sincerely hope you are completely wrong! what a scarey thought, attack the motorists again! :?

[(RIP) PLANK]

from the independent http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/fuel-duty-rise-postponed-794632.html

it looks as if it is all aimed at newly made cars, so will affect us all eventualy.

He (darling)announced he was:


* Setting aside new funding to develop the technology which could underpin national road pricing, inviting tenders to test this with the results expected next year;


* Reforming capital allowances for business cars to increase the incentive to move to lower carbon-emitting cars;


* Proposing, from April 2009, a major reform to Vehicle Excise Duty (car tax) to encourage manufacturers to produce cleaner cars and, by introducing new bands, there will be an incentive to encourage drivers to choose the least-polluting car;


* Under this new regime, the most-polluting vehicles will face a VED rate of £425, while those emitting 150 grams or less of CO2 per kilometre will pay less;


* Introducing from April 2010 for new cars a new first-year VED rate based on carbon dioxide emissions of the car;


* Cars which emit less than the proposed 130 grams per kilometre European standard of carbon dioxide emissions will pay no car tax at all in the first year, but a higher first-year rate of £950 will be introduced for the most-polluting cars.


Mr Darling said: "It is right that if people choose to buy a more-polluting car that they should pay more in the first year to reflect the environmental cost.


"The changes will provide a real incentive to manufacturers and motorists."


The Treasury reckons that as a result of the reforms, the majority of motorists will be better or no worse off in 2009.

[gilly]

just been on Honest john web site,seems to be true..... :(

[Deleted Member S]

Don't know if it helps but just got my road tax reminder & it states the tax is £99 for 6months & £180 for 12 months :roll:

[gilly]

my reminder for 6months,112 quid, 12months 205.as of tommorow rises to 210 quid

[supertaff]

Gilly, what year is your vehicle ? I have just taxed mine for 12 months, and as it is PRE-2001 (1995 Mistral) the tax was £180 for a year.
I think only vehicles registered after 2001 pay higher road tax.
Matt.

[gilly]

2003 td2.7 darlings favorit

[supertaff]

Well that explains it then ..... If your truck was pre- 2001 the road tax would be a little cheaper than a post 2001.

[scooter]

when i first bought my t2 a friend said to me £400 a year for tax i near died so i checked it up on the internet and this link gave me all the answers
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524
so any body with older vehicle don't worry yet

[CHASTER]

I hope that when we British motorists have paid all this so-called "anti-polution" tax, Mr Darling will ensure that the resultant clean air stays over Britain so that we can enjoy it.
With the current gales the lovely clean air we pay so much to produce will be over Scandanavia tomorrow. Will they be paying for it to be cleaned again? Get my drift?

We don't have too many volcanoes, sulphurous geysers, forest fires, steel works, charcoal factories, road trains etc. in the UK. How come we pay so much to combat the bit of polution we do produce? Couldn't be for Government revenues could it?

My blood pressure might become turbo-charged so i'll stop.

[scooter]

yeah have you ever seen the back of the priministers plane taking of at the airport i hope he is paying £50000 for his air tax the amount of emmissions come out there is more than all the club members put together javascript:emoticon(':twisted:')
Twisted Evil

[gilly]

i am paying for iraq and it iritates. How must parents feel who have lost sons & daughters.

[(RIP) PLANK]

a lot of good point and well made, but i have been 'surfing' and cant find anything conclusive for the latest budget plans, everything seems to be talking about previous changes or vague speculation on what might happen

but it appears the sitting duck motorist will pay through the nose again, when there are hundreds of environmental measures that go unexplored as they don’t directly improve the economy or increase tax revenue.


I could go on and on as environmental issues are a pet subject of mine but wont!

suffice to say if we are hammering motorists then to be honest it is about time new cars were hit, as the 3 year honey moon is too long, i also feel MOT tests from day 1 (this would ensure no manufacturing faults left until the warranty had expired) would raise revenue, improve safety and put an end to mileage fraud.

so next on my agenda, stupid lighting in banks shops etc, banning imported Chinese two stroke engines for mini motos etc. bring motorbike tax in line with car tax on the vehicles consumption and emissions, (not not just emissions) etc. etc.

for now i think we will have to cross our fingers and hope for the best, but at the end of the day you could always save a little and improve the environment by walking to work one day a week! but then you would still have to pay extortionate tax to leave the car at home!

[robobone]

i think we are missing he point a bit i think the idea of hitting the big new 4x4 motors is not so much hitting the standerd everyday bloke in the street but the rich ones who can afford them now

but as the time goes on these new motors will get there way to the second hand motor market and you will then find the tax start hitting the bloke in the street.
as for planks idea of raising motorbike tax in line with car tax is not a good idea.
again the road tax is not just concerned with air pollution but takes in wear and tear on the roads themselves. and the bigger the vehicle the bigger the impact on the roads surfaces thats one of the reasons the goverment prefer three axle to two axle trailers on artics as they cause less dammage
that is also why you see artics with one axle up whn not fully loaded to save expense of tyres when not needed.

so let us not forget that emmisson is part of the story

[iansjones]

All this is taken straight from the speech. So to me it says only new cars from 2009

Firstly, from April 2009, I am proposing a major reform to Vehicle Excise Duty to encourage manufacturers to produce cleaner cars and by introducing new bands, there will be an incentive to encourage drivers to choose the least polluting car.
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And as a second stage for new cars, from April 2010 there will be a new first-year rate based on carbon dioxide emissions of the car.
Cars that emit less than the proposed 130 grams per kilometre European standard of carbon dioxide emissions will pay no car tax at all in the first year.
But a higher first year rate will be introduced on the most polluting cars.

[theduck]

Alistar Darling delivered the budget with the excitment of someone reading a telephone directory. That was how David cameron described it :lol:


Just like the old days when only in reverse of Robin Hood :wink: :roll: :!:

[mr-gadget]

I feel robbed anyway.. sold terrano 1993 2.7 td was paying £180.00 a year tax. bought a stupid little 2004 almera, 1.8 auto hatchback now paying £215.00 a year, where is the sence in that....

we have a scot in charge of our country, who nobody voted for, and to get into power organised a coo to kick out our previous not very good pm. is this not treason, punishable by hanging. the scots wanted there own parliment so why dont they all go back home and run it... cos most of the mp's in westminster are scots , and i believe there are only a couple of english mp's in the cabinet...

Sorry i am not rasist or what ever you call it these days... just want our country back, and to have a government with half a clue. when you run out of money common sence says stop spending... this government runs out of money, caries on spending and spending then wacks the taxes up to cover it......

What a bunch of hypocrits...

[robobone]

I feel robbed anyway.. sold terrano 1993 2.7 td was paying £180.00 a year tax. bought a stupid little 2004 almera, 1.8 auto hatchback now paying £215.00 a year, where is the sence in that....

we have a scot in charge of our country, who nobody voted for, and to get into power organised a coo to kick out our previous not very good pm. is this not treason, punishable by hanging. the scots wanted there own parliment so why dont they all go back home and run it... cos most of the mp's in westminster are scots , and i believe there are only a couple of english mp's in the cabinet...

Sorry i am not rasist or what ever you call it these days... just want our country back, and to have a government with half a clue. when you run out of money common sence says stop spending... this government runs out of money, caries on spending and spending then wacks the taxes up to cover it......

What a bunch of hypocrits...

i take your a conservative :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[(RIP) PLANK]

i think we are missing he point a bit i save expense of tyres when not needed.

no mate not missing the point at all, of course tax increases will catch up with us all eventualy, but my point was we could all make the same kind of inroads on our countries emmissions targets by changing small things. But, it would not improve revenue for the government probably reduce it as we would all spend less therefore spen less tax!

the bikes i was aiming at are not your littel comuter but the big bikes that seat 1 use more fuel than a fairly large car and run around in gangs just for fun!

so when the middle aged 'born again racer' chooses to go out with his mates on 'super bikes' for a hobby between the 3 or 4 of them they do more damage and use a lot more fule than a family in a 4x4 and pay a lot less tax!

This is of course without mentioning the strain on the health service and insurance industires etc caused by hight levels of accidents!

and off course the other end of the scale the millions of little mini moto bikes that plague estates pay no tax and kick out any amount of filth as they have no tax or mot at all!

NOW, if i were to go on I would point out that, quite rightly that the medias focus on 4x4's is for two reasons (there are other equaly poluting cars) one they are easy to spot, and 2 the vast majority of people have no real use for them for either 'work'rest or play' and merely ride around burnig fuel for nowt!

Unfortunately hammering 4x4's in particular, as well as motorists in general, is a pet subject of the city dwelling young 'greenies' who wizz around on mountain bikes and thnk we should all do the same! How do you do that if you live in a rural area and have 3 kids? or are elderly or dissabled and for many other reasons rely on private motorised transport!

but at the end of the dy the onlyway to continue 'economic growth' is to continue to extract more and more of our cash for govermnet funded stuff! and should we realy be arguing or merely 'rendering unto cesar that which is cesar's?' as no matter what we say or do or how rediculous the environmental calims and aims, we wont and cant do anything about it!

To be honest I have come the the conclusion that if i could manage the tasks we do as a family each day with a small economical car i woud buy one like a shot, and the sooner people who can do without, start doing without the sooner people who cant will get left alone!

[ern1e]

Soprry to nit pick but this topic might be in the wrong forum i.e this is ebay section and this should be in pub chat just thinking out loud.

ern1e

(Moved to general by Mav.
Thanks Ernie,
Cannot belive it took this long for us to notice it!)

[robobone]

but at the end of the dy the onlyway to continue 'economic growth' is to continue to extract more and more of our cash for govermnet funded stuff! and should we realy be arguing or merely 'rendering unto cesar that which is cesar's?' as no matter what we say or do or how rediculous the environmental calims and aims, we wont and cant do anything about it!

youve looking at the bible i see :wink:
dont get me wrong a lot of what you say i agree with esp mini mokes they should all be crushed on import the goverment allow them to come into the country snd then complain when there used.

most "born againbikers" as you call them for a lot its there main mode of transport and to be realistic they are not as damaging to the envorioment as large family cars.(hybrid and lpg excluded) and dont we churn out unneeded emmissions when we go on our hobby of green laning or off roading
i dont think the goverment wants to stop enjoying ourselves as stated before there trying to hit the chelsea tractors

and as for cost to the nhs for motor bike accidents i feel is a little unfair as there are more accidents on our roads involving cars than bikes and in the majority of cases its car owners cause motor bike accidents.

i do however agree if you can get away with a smaller car do so our household use the wifes agila for most of the about town journeys but use the mistral for the hard work like towing the caravan somehow i think the agila wouldnt cope :lol:
by the way do you know what context 'rendering unto cesar that which is cesar's?' is written in the bible?

[robobone]

well spotted ernie

as mod can you move it for us as it is intresting subject

cheers mate

[(RIP) PLANK]

hello again,

in the majority of cases its car owners cause motor bike accidents.


sorry cant agree i drive all day most days and see some apauling motorbike riding i could give examples but wont, a colision takes two and i never see cars overtaking colums of traffic at lights or riding down the middle of the road etc. Im not saying its never cars fault but at worst it has to be 50 50 and as an off the cuff answer i would give it 60 40 in cars favour! might be one to discuss ff line though as its a bit long winded and clumsy on here!

and yes im confident with the context, I spent a cuple of years studying scripture with witneses also, king james, american standard, book or mormon, etc etc as a social scientist comparative religeon/faith is one of my interests. I threw it in as i knew you would seemy point! :wink: I must admit i am a christian only in the sense of cultural christianity, in that my life has been shaped by christianity in its many forms sonce birth but, I do use the words of the bible in my daily descision making process's and find jesus a great example too us all, I am also constantly amazed at how the more you listen and learn of his work the more it seems to open up to you and the more you get from it. But i am confident this is another point on which we will agree :wink:

[mr-gadget]

I am not tory, as with religion i am atheist, i take all on there merits, but i cant find any on all of the parties. tory, labour, lib dems, they are all out for themselves, they are all liers and cheats. i have not voted properley for years... i just go along tick all the boxes so as to spoil the ballot paper and it cant be counted... thats my way of showing my displeasure with our government and the system it opperates under..

As for the government trying to tax large vehicles off the road, the owners of chelsea tractors get paid vast and obscene amounts of money. they then get paid vast and obscene bonuses. so you want to tax a very rich person off the road... dream on... they will still have there chelsea tractors when the rest of us are on bikes as we cant afford to buy a car let alone tax it....

[robobone]

hello plank

have a read of this admit it is an american study but applies to all countries

http://www.bovec.com/motorcycle/motorcycle-vs-car-myth-or-madness.html
but i do agree with the last part of your statement :lol: :lol: :lol:

[(RIP) PLANK]

i will take a look now!

though i think we best leave our sub-thread there as it is an issue too big for the thread and would never end, glad to see we see eye to eye on a few things :smile:

[(RIP) PLANK]

havng lookied stil cant agree but i will PM my response instead of posting top avoid hijacking the thread!

[harajack]

Anything first registered after march 2001,and emitting 255+g/km co2,will pay £440 ! as of 2009/10,rising to £455 the following year.
see the AA website for clear indication of the new tax bands.
Total disaster!

[mully]

Just been surfing it looks as if my 2001 Terrano (emits 263kg) car tax will be band M from 2009 costing me £440 rising to £445 for 2010-2011, cant seem to locate anything for cars registered before March 2001.

[harajack]

£185 for pre-march 2001(over 1549cc)

[(RIP) PLANK]

up intil now comercials have been exempt, ie crew cabs etc. does anyone know if this has changed?

[thor]

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524

have a look 8O

[(RIP) PLANK]

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524

have a look 8O

just looked but it appears this reffers to the tax system as it stands today rather than after the proposed changes :(

[bigjim]

Well that explains it then ..... If your truck was pre- 2001 the road tax would be a little cheaper than a post 2001.
That's about the long and the short of it pre 2001 on the old tax system post 2001 on the emissions system so us poor folks with ols clapped out 4x4's dont get affected as much :lol:

[JonathanM]

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/consumer/article.html?in_article_id=432978&in_page_id=5

I'm not sure what will happen to pre 2001 vehicles, as I don't think they had officially recorded CO2 emissions, therefore couldn't be suitably classified.

sooner we loose the scots from running england, the better. Its all very well having devolution for Scotland, Wales, & Northern ireland, but currently the bulk of the population (living in england) are loosing out funding the decisions being made by the devolved states that rely on central funding. Free prescriptions in wales, better public service pay deals for two spring to mind.

next thing you know the devolved states will probably have their own car tax systems, at a lower rate than england, but with central govt paying for road improveemnts etc.

This isn't being racist, stateist, or aythign else-ist. Just annoyed that wales et al have their own decision maiing processes in the interests of those living there, while in england our decisions are effectively controlled by an unelected scottish prime minister, representing a scottish seat. How just.

[(RIP) PLANK]

what about no tuition fees for students in Scotland yet English students attending a scottish university have to pay, but not visa versa?

I agree it has all gone pear shaped, we allow so many millions of imigrants and then complain there in not enough housing and too many cars on the road!

what an earth is going on, I for one have had much more than enough!

But in real terms what can we do? voting is no answer, I think a mass abstention from voting would be more efectrive in the long term as the goverment would loose legitimacy.

but thats a long term answer

what can we do about things right now?

they have us over a barell, we cant afford to drive to protests, high property prices mean going on strike would leave mortgaes unpaid etc etc.

[JonathanM]

Any govt has got us over a barrell, but surely a change at the top - with a PM elected by the population - would allow a review of some of the less popular decisions made by the current govt.

As far as road tax, so long as I can afford to pay it, I'll run my wagon - anyone who tries any "green" rubbish my way will get short shrift - I'm paying more tax for the priveldge!!!!

[supertaff]

What makes you think we actually want a "Government of Wales"?
The first "Democratic" decission that the Welsh assembly actually made when they came into office was to award themselves an 8% payrise !!
I'm afraid that politicians, regardless of where in Britain or which party, have become "Don't do as I do, but do as I say" Merchants.
Are our politicians riding around in Nissan Micra's to save the environment ? or sitting in second class carriages on train journeys to save the poor taxpayer some cash, or flying on chartered flights ?
Look how they buy second homes in London, and expect us to furnish them and pay for their upkeep .... Give them Council flats, and charge them full rent !!
Had my little rant .... Blood pressure returning to normal ....pulse steadying !"!
Matt.

[JonathanM]

What makes you think we actually want a "Government of Wales"?
The first "Democratic" decission that the Welsh assembly actually made when they came into office was to award themselves an 8% payrise !!
I'm afraid that politicians, regardless of where in Britain or which party, have become "Don't do as I do, but do as I say" Merchants.
Are our politicians riding around in Nissan Micra's to save the environment ? or sitting in second class carriages on train journeys to save the poor taxpayer some cash, or flying on chartered flights ?
Look how they buy second homes in London, and expect us to furnish them and pay for their upkeep .... Give them Council flats, and charge them full rent !!
Had my little rant .... Blood pressure returning to normal ....pulse steadying !"!
Matt.

Matt, I'm not aganst the population living in Wales (except when it comes to rugby......) but the current political situation is producing inequalities - agree with you that politicians are all cast from the same mould.

[Allboys]

Ok,
Trying not to let my blood pressure pop reading some of these comments, but is it any wonder scotland and wales wanted to go it alone after there industries being either privitised or closed down mainly by a english parliment.

Gas/electricity/hospitals/royal mail/bt everyone has been turned over by a goverment at some time still not happy about who's in power ask a miner or there communtiy.

Did i hear any englsh people shouting about an english pm ensuring that all raidoactive waste from power stations and other sites be brought to central & north scotland so as not to upset her voting public even although these convoys where running unmarked and through villages and towns past primary schools always during peak traffic so as no one questioned as to why vehicles were running on these roads in the early hours.

My point is if you want a tax guzzling 4x4 and enjoy it then stop the moaning about it cos as usual you will find the extra cash to do it just the same as if you smoke or drink regardless of who is in charge down there as we did when its an english man.... :x

[bigjim]

I think that this is not a Scotish , Welsh, or English problem but a British one we can not anymore protest about anything if you strike you cant afford it, if you blockaid the fuel depots you are classed as breaking national security laws, MP ignore been lobbied by letter or E-Mail as noeadays they get so many, how can you get your point over to a deaf blind government? the opposition seem to listen but you bet your bottom dollar if they get in they will carry on the same, they dress thing up they told every one that they were giving family £20 child benifit generous no they are only in reality giving £1.80 extra wow £20 PA up £285 down when you take in the fact that water rates are up, council tax up 18%, every thing is costing more as the head of a large family i am struggling to survive it then pushes people to run on credit and then that starts another nasty cycle off with the econamy, help we are all drowning in taxes, what is the answer?
possably leave the country and become a entnic minority somewere else?
its an unreal goverment (all parties ) in clowd Cuckoo land

[leo23]

my m8 went to oz and never looked back,might join him....

[bigjim]

Rumour has it that the UK is the laughing stock of europe,we pay for everything and everyone in the EEC community what does the french pay for or the polish they take the hand outs and it is more benifishal for them to live and work here they recieve enough in working tax credits to send it home and buy a house???

[JonathanM]

my m8 went to oz and never looked back,might join him....

Nice drive to get there as well.

[robobone]

sorry guys this has gone totally off topic as far as i can see
in fact to far to bring it back on track.

this club really shouldnt be voicing political differncie leave that to the differnt parties in parliment.

this is is a owners website for us not them

just my thoughts

[(RIP) PLANK]

Robbo,I dont konw, i think road tax is politics!

and it does prove people are just not happy with the system we are in or any of the potential political leaders,

Thats something I am sure you will agree with!

we need a new direction, but to be hnest in the mean time all we can do, is keep our heads down, pay our taxes and get on with it. But as i said i believe voting is pointless.

if anyone wants to debate the social and political theories of power and our governments shift from 'legal-rational' to charismatic authority and its implications for a los of concensus and legitimacy, feel free by P.M. but i am sur eits a bit over the top for the thread :lol:

[robobone]

what about no tuition fees for students in Scotland yet English students attending a scottish university have to pay, but not visa versa?

I agree it has all gone pear shaped, we allow so many millions of imigrants and then complain there in not enough housing and too many cars on the road!

what an earth is going on, I for one have had much more than enough!

But in real terms what can we do? voting is no answer, I think a mass abstention from voting would be more efectrive in the long term as the goverment would loose legitimacy.
but thats a long term answer

what can we do about things right now?

they have us over a barell, we cant afford to drive to protests, high property prices mean going on strike would leave mortgaes unpaid etc etc.

plank

not just this quote(first one i come across) from you but others also
so i am not pointing the finger at anyone in particular but what has this to do with road tax???

[bigjim]

I think that we have strayed from road tax, but the connection is obvious road tax is one of many taxes to be hicked by our govenment and also gov policys dictate directly into howmuch revenue that needs to be collected, so yes we have strayed but not as far as you might think? -offtopic- :lol:

[guyz]

looks like il be paying £400 a year ..1 thats il im short of.. :cry:

[(RIP) PLANK]

ROBO, i see you point mate and yet i dont?

its a free rangin conversation regarding the present overments new budet changes to road tax yes?

so if we are all happily discussing whats the problem other wise it would be a short an boring thread, yes?

In adition my comments are related, we all know its been a long time since road tax was spent on the roads yes?

so where does it go? they cant actualy use the money to fix the holes in the atmosphere, they arent planning any major reforestation programes with it are they?

no it more the ploitics of 'thou shalt not' tellong us we are all naughty and puniching our naughty cars

The point is what are they going to spend our £400+ per anum on?

or who and what are they going to subsidise with it? and will the rescipients be eco concious when they spend it?

[robobone]

as i said i am not pointing the finger at anyone's comment but i do believe this topic has lost the original plot and strayed
yes broadly speaking the road tax is politics as its the goverment who sets the amount so is a lot of other things we could talk about and do nowt about

i also agree until this system comes to the end and the new system is installed we just have to go along with it.

[(RIP) PLANK]

in summary two pints

1, whether or not it is off topic is debateable

2, even if we have wondered, no one has been offended and we are are all happy enough so dies it matter?

But the most important point of all

I think this subject is now done? we have all let of steam and now I suppose we can move on as we have concluded there realy is nothing else we can do :wink:

[supertaff]

Just one parting shot before the thread is closed ... We know Westminister won't listen, but if all the 4x4 + large engined car clubs got together, possibly with the Transport industry's fuel tax protesters , and had a demonstration rally, driving in convoy around Westminister,culminating in handing in a petition to the politicians, such a show of force would have enormous impact.

Matt.

[jims-terrano]

Just one parting shot before the thread is closed ... We know Westminister won't listen, but if all the 4x4 + large engined car clubs got together, possibly with the Transport industry's fuel tax protesters , and had a demonstration rally, driving in convoy around Westminister,culminating in handing in a petition to the politicians, such a show of force would have enormous impact.

Matt.

Ken would love that, all that congestion charge.

Jim T

[robobone]

in summary two pints

1, whether or not it is off topic is debateable

2, even if we have wondered, no one has been offended and we are are all happy enough so dies it matter?

But the most important point of all

I think this subject is now done? we have all let of steam and now I suppose we can move on as we have concluded there realy is nothing else we can do :wink:

mine a pint of guiness if your buying lol

[(RIP) PLANK]

Robbo ,it is certainly the right day for Guiness :wink:

perhaps we can share a can or two at wicksteed :?: and carry on putting the world to rights :smile:

Matts idea will never fly i for one cant afford the disel to drive to westminster LOL I'll confine my protesting to just whinging on here :evil: at leat its realistic and good value :wink:

[hedgehopper]

just been surfing found this might help http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/road-tax/

[(RIP) PLANK]

excellent link cheers!

[(RIP) PLANK]

not long gi you may remeber me mentioning we hve a citroen C1 less than a 1000 miles 57 plate, i have never even sat in it,

guess what the road tax is gong down from £35 to £20 per year!

now that mre than makes up for the £830 i will be paying for our 2 Grand Vitaras :?

doe sit encourage me to use the C1? no, im CERTAINLY NOT PAYING ALL THAT ROAD TAX TO LEAVE THE VITARAS SAT ON THE DRIVE!

[Deleted Member S]

Well I went & got my road tax on Tuesday & it was a £185 for the year :roll: My T2 is a late 1999 one so I would say that anyone with a truck the same age as mine or older you will be paying £185 for a year if that helps to put your minds to rest :smile:

[robobone]

Well I went & got my road tax on Tuesday & it was a £185 for the year :roll: My T2 is a late 1999 one so I would say that anyone with a truck the same age as mine or older you will be paying £185 for a year if that helps to put your minds to rest :smile:

this confusion was the same last year and it panned out alright in the end

[Deleted Member]

As far as i have read,mine will be going upto £210 for the year,it's only motors after2006 that will be hit with the new higher tax!! will see in june... :?

[harajack]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news,but as previous posts have stated,if your Terrano or similar is post march 01,you WILL be paying £440 in 09/10!
The link to the Parkers website,someone posted earlier clears it up once and for all.
Mines an 03 and I dont like or need it that much to be paying that sort of extortion!

[(RIP) PLANK]

harajack has it right everyhting past and sometimes inclouding 'Y'plate and some shockers with what has gone up! and by how much! a small engine is not neccesarily a defence against the increases.

but notice how effectively the divide and conquer element of this has worked with half of us saying 'im all right jack' dont effect me/us

and half saying i will get rid of the truck

to the first half, lets hope your vehicles last forever then! and to those looking to change, what too? if you need a decent size car to say lug a family around or tow a caravan, look at parkers you wont be much if any better off if you change!

vw sharan people carrier £455
mondeo ghia £430
ford galaxy £430
vw polo 1.6 £310

if you panic sell your car as many will and loose say £1000 with a £200 increas it wil take 5 years to get back! and even they if your replacment car costs £310 maybe 10 years. So best bet is to grin and bear it! and help keep the resale values afloat.

[harajack]

Plank,you hit the nail right on the head,regarding the"I'm all right jack" mentality!
Only I was too polite to say!
Seriously though,there can be no going back now they have decided to force the "green" card.It spells the end for proper 4x4s and a whole lot of other so called ordinary cars.
As you say,they wont last forever.

[(RIP) PLANK]

The annoying thing is they are taxing us for the same thing twice, basically as we use more fuel we emit more hence more road tax, but hold on more fuel means we have already paid more fuel tax!

they want us to leave the car at home and take the bus or bike or walk, after we have paid over £400 for tax and then want us to leave it at home!

another home goal for the government!

anyway, only real choice is to bite the bullet and pay up! or emigrate, with very little in-between.

[bigjim]

this may need some radicial voting to get the message across to the gov?
perhaps vote NF ? isnt that how hitler got in to power?
they have got us over a barrel and a resonable party needs to emerge perhaps the islamic front of leicester may reduce our taxes but what are the implications?
best keep voteing labour or conservative or waste a vote and vote libdem
you know it makes sense what ever you will continue to be ripped off? blinking green taxes :!: :?: :P

[Deleted Member]

This is a silly question and i no I'm going to get shot down in flames!! :?
But seeing that i'm going to have the privalage of paying £440 in 09 and then £450 for the rest of my motors life,does this mean i have more right to be on the road than anybody paying less :roll: :lol: :lol:

[Deleted Member S]

This is a silly question and i no I'm going to get shot down in flames!! :?
But seeing that i'm going to have the privalage of paying £440 in 09 and then £450 for the rest of my motors life,does this mean i have more right to be on the road than anybody paying less :roll: :lol: :lol:

No but it means you have even more reason to drive your truck on greenlanes :lol: :lol: :wink:

[(RIP) PLANK]

i thnk you have hit the nail on the head 'divide and rule' first split of the extreme ends the really expensive and the really green, then break up the big middle bunch

upper. middel and lower -- sound familiar?

each change a couple of years apart

it will be the older vehicles next, wait and see, but by then all us who have allready paid will have no sympathy!

its not for the environment its just 'big-brother' type social control

Voting what on earth for? we live in a country where elections are merely old boys networks and popularity contests, not sleections of the best person for the job,

example- I knew a man 'abdul kadus' whilw working as a local government economic regeneration officer, he tried to use asociation with me to get himself elected from an ex machine minder living on 'claims direct' compensaiton for an arm injury to local councilor, andyway his tactics secured the local muslim vote and that was enough to get him elected, unfortunately he became involved on passport cormes and went to jail. However if he had acted more wisely he could have been an MP.

and like all others would have no knowledge or understanding of the dynamics of society!

On the other hand i have made this my lifes work, and have a lot of (probably usless) qualifications that have taken years of study far more years than a medical doctor or surgeon, but still when it comes to the workings of society people would rather listen to the bloke down the pub or read the sun, go worl that out? its a strange world?

But beleive me in the words of the Manic Street Preachers - " if you tolerate this then your children will be next!"

[Deleted Member]

But believe me in the words of the Manic Street Preachers - " if you tolerate this then your children will be next!"

Well said that man!! :lol: :lol:

[greek_dave]

Hi,

You can try these two sites:

www.parkers.co.uk/cars/road-tax/

www.smmtco2.co.uk/co2search2.asp

My 02 Maverick 2.0 XLT is increasing by £205 this year. All that I can say is that it's Criminal.

[robobone]

harajack has it right everyhting past and sometimes inclouding 'Y'plate and some shockers with what has gone up! and by how much! a small engine is not neccesarily a defence against the increases.

but notice how effectively the divide and conquer element of this has worked with half of us saying 'im all right jack' dont effect me/us

and half saying i will get rid of the truck

to the first half, lets hope your vehicles last forever then! and to those looking to change, what too? if you need a decent size car to say lug a family around or tow a caravan, look at parkers you wont be much if any better off if you change!

vw sharan people carrier £455
mondeo ghia £430
ford galaxy £430
vw polo 1.6 £310

if you panic sell your car as many will and loose say £1000 with a £200 increas it wil take 5 years to get back! and even they if your replacment car costs £310 maybe 10 years. So best bet is to grin and bear it! and help keep the resale values afloat.

well i just taxed the pug 406 estate 2.2 diesel 53 plate £170 for the year and its big enough to pull the van

[JonathanM]

This is a silly question and i no I'm going to get shot down in flames!! :?
But seeing that i'm going to have the privalage of paying £440 in 09 and then £450 for the rest of my motors life,does this mean i have more right to be on the road than anybody paying less :roll: :lol: :lol:

I'm afraid I'll be taking this attitude when anyone deals me the "green" argument, especially as I'm running with SVO/diesel mixture.

[(RIP) PLANK]

robbobone, i think you have hilighted the stupid and random nature of the new tax system!

its fine if you have a car that fits the new brackes but not if you dont!

unfortunately the veg oil argument doesnt hold water as it is not and environmentaly sound alternative in many ways, and basicaly produces no less co2 than diesel, the rin forest is being cut down to produce palm oil for bio fuels, and the production of crops for bio fuels threatens to throw the economies of several third world countries into turm'oil' (pardon the pun) and leave millions in a starvation level of poverty!

the so called 'greeenies' also makes me sick, i have an aquaintance, who drives a little renault and looks down his nose at our cars quoting his green credentials and talks with pride of his tree hugging vegitarian family, so his car is less poluting than mine? maybe? but he does 3 times the miles.

he lives in a solid brick walled victorian 3 floor house with wooden single glazed windows and holidays via long haul fligts i new zeland.

experts recon one long haul flight crates as much. per capita, polution as runniing an a verage family car for 7 years.

its time we stopped picking on the easy targets and looked at the big picture!

[robobone]

robbobone, i think you have hilighted the stupid and random nature of the new tax system

thanks plank but god knows how :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
i agree(not very often) with the fact many of the Green Brigade only pick on easy targets but the goverment load the gun and they fire it.

people will always defend what they want to defend at the time it suits them now i dont own a gas gussler all i can say i will remain loyal

DOWN WITH 4X4'Sonly kidding miss mine already

[JonathanM]

robbobone, i think you have hilighted the stupid and random nature of the new tax system!

its fine if you have a car that fits the new brackes but not if you dont!

unfortunately the veg oil argument doesnt hold water as it is not and environmentaly sound alternative in many ways, and basicaly produces no less co2 than diesel, the rin forest is being cut down to produce palm oil for bio fuels, and the production of crops for bio fuels threatens to throw the economies of several third world countries into turm'oil' (pardon the pun) and leave millions in a starvation level of poverty!

the so called 'greeenies' also makes me sick, i have an aquaintance, who drives a little renault and looks down his nose at our cars quoting his green credentials and talks with pride of his tree hugging vegitarian family, so his car is less poluting than mine? maybe? but he does 3 times the miles.

he lives in a solid brick walled victorian 3 floor house with wooden single glazed windows and holidays via long haul fligts i new zeland.

experts recon one long haul flight crates as much. per capita, polution as runniing an a verage family car for 7 years.

its time we stopped picking on the easy targets and looked at the big picture!

Veggie oil is carbon neutral though ie the CO2 it produces when used as a fuel is the same as the CO2 it took in as a crop - so there is a benefit that it isn't removing fuel from beneath the earth and relaesing CO2 taken in millions of years ago. Palm oil as a fuel is a no goer - its a solid at even quite high temps ie room temp. Yes, there is an issue of misuse of crops & land to provide biofuels in developing countries, however the sources of rapeseed & sunflower oil are largely north america & europe, so are not likely to be influencing outcomes too greatly in the third world.


The govt wants to increase the use of biofuels, but is removing the tax releif in 2010 - so using biodiesel would cost the same as dinodiesel - perhaps the fact they want to increase biofuel ussage has got something to do with removing the tax "relief"???

[(RIP) PLANK]

robbobone, i think you have hilighted the stupid and random nature of the new tax system!

its fine if you have a car that fits the new brackes but not if you dont!

unfortunately the veg oil argument doesnt hold water as it is not and environmentaly sound alternative in many ways, and basicaly produces no less co2 than diesel, the rin forest is being cut down to produce palm oil for bio fuels, and the production of crops for bio fuels threatens to throw the economies of several third world countries into turm'oil' (pardon the pun) and leave millions in a starvation level of poverty!

the so called 'greeenies' also makes me sick, i have an aquaintance, who drives a little renault and looks down his nose at our cars quoting his green credentials and talks with pride of his tree hugging vegitarian family, so his car is less poluting than mine? maybe? but he does 3 times the miles.

he lives in a solid brick walled victorian 3 floor house with wooden single glazed windows and holidays via long haul fligts i new zeland.

experts recon one long haul flight crates as much. per capita, polution as runniing an a verage family car for 7 years.

its time we stopped picking on the easy targets and looked at the big picture!

Veggie oil is carbon neutral though ie the CO2 it produces when used as a fuel is the same as the CO2 it took in as a crop - so there is a benefit that it isn't removing fuel from beneath the earth and relaesing CO2 taken in millions of years ago. Palm oil as a fuel is a no goer - its a solid at even quite high temps ie room temp. Yes, there is an issue of misuse of crops & land to provide biofuels in developing countries, however the sources of rapeseed & sunflower oil are largely north america & europe, so are not likely to be influencing outcomes too greatly in the third world.


The govt wants to increase the use of biofuels, but is removing the tax releif in 2010 - so using biodiesel would cost the same as dinodiesel - perhaps the fact they want to increase biofuel ussage has got something to do with removing the tax "relief"???

Sorry mate but on nthis you are wrong! most veg oil crops are not 'neutral' they only absorb a fraction of the co2 they create by burning and all and i emphasise all veg oil crops result in a huge amount of waste methane being created as the remainder of the plant not used for veg oil (in the case of soya 80% of the plant) has to go somewhere and often is left to rot! this damages the environment up to 26 times more than co2!

The fact that a lot of the srops used are impacting the food chain also proves that they are not growing enough to even begin to change the co2 impact even if it were feasible, which unfortunately it is not!

The 'neutral' argument just doesnt wash, the only advantage to veg oil is that for the moment you save a bit of cash! Not the planet!

As for the third world the impact on their economies (and potoential poverty and famine as a result of massive inflation)is allready being hilighted by the BBC world news service so it is no mystery!

Robbo, you new car will tow your caravan better on a road than your mistral did, lets hope you never have to go on wet grass though :lol

[JonathanM]

Sorry mate but on nthis you are wrong! most veg oil crops are not 'neutral' they only absorb a fraction of the co2 they create by burning and all and i emphasise all veg oil crops result in a huge amount of waste methane being created as the remainder of the plant not used for veg oil (in the case of soya 80% of the plant) has to go somewhere and often is left to rot! this damages the environment up to 26 times more than co2!



Some research suggests otherwise, so I'm not entirely believing "myths", although I equally accept that there are significant concerns that the use of biofuels won't produce a sufficient enough change in CO2 levels alone in 25 years to make a difference. In fact, probably the only fuel switch that could do enough in that time would be a switch to nuclear produced electricity and cessation of fossil fuel produced electricity. But then the greens are not prepared to accept this point (neither is the UK govt) so fossil fuel use will be taxed out of existence in the UK, and we'll all end up using bikes, with a thrid world economy as well.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7175397.stm

But yes, you are right, the main drive behind myself and thousands others using SVO, WVO and biodiesel is to save money, not the environment.

[(RIP) PLANK]

interestingly when bio diesel was first 'pushed' by vw in the late 70's and early 80's their main concern was 'sustainability, in that, at the time the world was worried abotu running out of fossil fuels. Odly after that most coal mines were closed as it was 'not economicaly viable' to remove the coal' not because there was none to be removed!

The idea of re absorption of Co2 is a nice theroetical spin off of this that infrtunateky never happens, as for real co2 reduction, and alternative use of fuel and power, what we relly nedd is a radical re think in th philosophy behind western capitalistic development and the creation and exploitation of commodity value.

without this all the neclear fuels and veg oils etc will have little effect!

for example, i live in a smoke free zone, so cant burn firewood! leaving it to rot damages the environment 26 time more as the methane produced is more dangerous, so the local authority ban me from burning it and subsidise my buying a compost bin, made from crude oil based plasticthus further contributing to the green house effect.

In the mean time! all waste wood is taked to local tips and from there transported too- guess where? the new wood chippings fired power station! Transported over land using fossil diesel trucks! where 80% of its potential energy is wasted as heat straight into the atmosphere! when the electricity eventualy reaches peoples plug sockets, what do they do? plug in an electric heating device, toaster or kettle. All functions that a wood fire in the home could do and save all the ploution and waste. And with a simple lime stone based filter on the chimney most of the particular emissions could be reduced as source and the by products of the filter system used for local building projects.

what we need is a re think of our whole western capitalist ife style, and to help others to see it is not all it is cracked up to be, getting on the housing ladder, flying round the world etc etc all the things we hold dear in our 'social climbing' society are the things that are killing the planet!

so we try and find a scape goat, in this case a few of the cars on the road, and it makes no sense! a reps turbo diesel vectra £170 per annu8m tax covering 60k plus miles carrying one passenger, a rural families compact 4x4 £430 carrying all the kisds to school provifig holdays and covering 8k per year, so effectively poluting a lot less!

but! the rep sells the things we cant do without! maybe stockings, or souveneir models of holiday resorts etc. and heis wages and tax fuel the capitalist machine so we have to keep stoking that fire. and that is what this tax is all about!

I will keep driving our cars and pay the tax, do the same miles and cause the same polution, so nothing has changed exept the chancelor had more revenue the environment remains un improved. Though i will continue to make other practical changes in my lifestlye where possible and listen too and offer where i can sound advice. And that my friends id=s the best all of us can do!

now time for me to climb off my soap box :wink: :lol:

but if anyone wants to discuss further by PM i am allways open to usefull ideas to help our planet and each other!

[robobone]

where did all that come from plank :wink:

[(RIP) PLANK]

Robbo, i think its good for people to get a more grounded and realistic view of the worlds issues that those offered by the media, to be honest the system is rotten to the core and the isues are about greed not green!

but i dont need to tell you that :wink:

[robobone]

Robbo, i think its good for people to get a more grounded and realistic view of the worlds issues that those offered by the media, to be honest the system is rotten to the core and the isues are about greed not green!

but i dont need to tell you that :wink:

your right you dont need to tell me that i cant yet till its put right properley

[bigjim]

Is this what killed off the Dinosaurs off? the rotting wood in the forests? Then its a good job the south americans are cutting down all the trees in the rain forests, to stop the rotting wood from poisoning us? or have i missed something possably that this was counteracted by dino wind and methane from the droppings???? :lol:

[(RIP) PLANK]

bigjim, iterestingly enough they recon that the next global warming issue will be the thawing of permafrost in areas of siberia which have been frozen for so long the still contain vegitation from the dinasaur era, when they thaw this will release millions of tons of methane and accelerate climate change! :(

[robobone]

bigjim, iterestingly enough they recon that the next global warming issue will be the thawing of permafrost in areas of siberia which have been frozen for so long the still contain vegitation from the dinasaur era, when they thaw this will release millions of tons of methane and accelerate climate change! :(

cant we bottle the methane and run the trucks on them :wink:

[(RIP) PLANK]

again an interesting point, a few years ago a charity (cant rmember which) got backing to instal small methane plants in homes in india, the gas simply produced from animal dung was bottled and used to run gas stoves etc. so it is possibel to do this with any rotting waste, im not sure about running engines on it, but running homes on it would be a very good start!

[robobone]

errrrmmm i was only joking :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[(RIP) PLANK]

many a true word spoken in jest :wink: :lol:

[bigjim]

So was i joking? :lol: but one of the land fill sites near us powers generators running purley on gas projuced from rotting waste from under the ground. so we already have the know how to harness such power.

[(RIP) PLANK]

and it would work for the environment on two levels, by reducing fossil fuel use, and reducing methane emmisions into the atmosphere but!

it doesnt work on the commodity level as it is too easy to produce, how do you control it and tax it and make people rich from it, and use it as a form of social control?


back to the ROAD TAX and esential y all tax, I know we have to pay some but this is at the expense of the environmrnt not to save it!