1 for the gamers... If any.?

[Adz]

With redundancy getting closer...
& to kill time when not out...
I'm looking at getting a consol again...

[clivvy]

Xbox 360.

[R1cho]

get an atari just think of all the fun you can have playing pong lmao

[The Patrolman]

I would recommend a Ford Consul!!
It will take up far more of your time than a games consul!

[Adz]

get an atari just think of all the fun you can have playing pong lmao

Bet there worth a few quid now :rolleyes:

I would recommend a Ford Consul!!
It will take up far more of your time than a games consul!

I could just go round tezzers whilst his ill & work on his Cortina :rolleyes:

[Fez_uk]

PC

the best

[R1cho]

[QUOTE=Adz;140883]Bet there worth a few quid now :rolleyes:



not as much as you would think lol http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ATARI-2600-CONSOLE-8-GAMES-PWO-/110658519947?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item19c3c3038b

[larson]

i dont think you can beat a fast p.c. i play day of defeat on line ( server admin) AND ITS FREE WITH LOADS OF OTHER GAMES BUT YOU NEED A HALF LIFE DISC... ffs caps sorry

also got a ps3 i never use and a wii with extras

[makeitfit]

Adz if you want a 360 my boy is selling his. It's just been refurbed by Microsoft and so has a year g'tee:D
It's some ltd edition something or other:augie
He's trying to fund his fiesta mods:sly

[Adz]

Adz if you want a 360 my boy is selling his. It's just been refurbed by Microsoft and so has a year g'tee:D
It's some ltd edition something or other:augie
He's trying to fund his fiesta mods:sly

Get a full list of stuff & a price :thumbs

[makeitfit]

I'll ask him in a bit:thumbs

[Adz]

I'll ask him in a bit:thumbs

:thumbs

Post it here incase i don't but probably will :thumbs

[Deleted account DD]

Have to be honest mate, if i were being made redundant, id be saving every single penny i could and anything i wanted would be a treat for when i got a decent income going again :thumb2

The reasons two fold.

First off the obvious, saving dosh but more importantly im too easily distracted and if it were a choice of Black Ops , AofE or sending off a cv :augie:naughty

[makeitfit]

Here you go boy details follow;)

It's a halo 3 limited edition xbox 360, it's a 20gb hard drive, its like the elite and has a hdmi port at the back but its much better looking than the elite. It's just been rebuilt by microsoft under warantee and played about 3 times since so its basicly brand new with about 9months g'tee left. I have black and white controller which I made using parts from the original halo 3 edition controller so ill chuck em both in incase you want to rebuild the original one :P I have a few games and a play and charge kit which ill chuck in aswell :)

I need as near £150 as possible to pay my car insurance:o
Ta Meurig ;)

[makeitfit]

Have to be honest mate, if i were being made redundant, id be saving every single penny i could and anything i wanted would be a treat for when i got a decent income going again :thumb2

The reasons two fold.

First off the obvious, saving dosh but more importantly im too easily distracted and if it were a choice of Black Ops , AofE or sending off a cv :augie:naughty
Damn you font of wisdom :doh
I've got a skint boy here trying to sell his wares so HE can go to work:augie
Is it too late for a quick edit :lol

[Adz]

Have to be honest mate, if i were being made redundant, id be saving every single penny i could and anything i wanted would be a treat for when i got a decent income going again :thumb2

The reasons two fold.

First off the obvious, saving dosh but more importantly im too easily distracted and if it were a choice of Black Ops , AofE or sending off a cv :augie:naughty

No exactly where your coming from & NO I'M NOT GONNA BE A DOLE DOSSER, NEVER HAVE BEEN & NEVER WILL BE :thumbs

Just gonna kick back for a few weeks & put time & cash into the 4x4 breakers & a few other projects :augie

Want more time for me as opposed to less time for me :thumbs

Just lucky to have no debts or bills :D

Here you go boy details follow;)

It's a halo 3 limited edition xbox 360, it's a 20gb hard drive, its like the elite and has a hdmi port at the back but its much better looking than the elite. It's just been rebuilt by microsoft under warantee and played about 3 times since so its basicly brand new with about 9months g'tee left. I have black and white controller which I made using parts from the original halo 3 edition controller so ill chuck em both in incase you want to rebuild the original one :P I have a few games and a play and charge kit which ill chuck in aswell :)

I need as near £150 as possible to pay my car insurance:o
Ta Meurig ;)


PM on way :thumbs

[Deleted account DD]

Damn you font of wisdom :doh
I've got a skint boy here trying to sell his wares so HE can go to work:augie
Is it too late for a quick edit :lol

:rolleyes: sorry, my point was id be on the damned thing all the time instead of looking for a job :o.

when my car got bashed last year and i was knackered off work i managed to get through the whole of call of duty :D

wonder how i can get some time for black ops ........................

[Adz]

:rolleyes: sorry, my point was id be on the damned thing all the time instead of looking for a job :o.

when my car got bashed last year and i was knackered off work i managed to get through the whole of call of duty :D

wonder how i can get some time for black ops ........................

:jesterbg

[4x4_Gav]

Ok, I am quite a big gamer.

I have a PS3, XBox 360, Apple IMac and until recently a gaming PC.

I can say without doubt that a gaming PC is best for gaming, HOWEVER, for quick pick up your joy pad and play till you've had enough fun I would go with the Playstation 3 everytime.

Having both leading consoles the ONLY thing the XBox is good for is its social community and the XBox Kinect.

The Playstation is a much smoother more stable and better looking system.

Gav

[4x4_Gav]

Ok, I am quite a big gamer.

I have a PS3, XBox 360, Apple IMac and until recently a gaming PC.

I can say without doubt that a gaming PC is best for gaming, HOWEVER, for quick pick up your joy pad and play till you've had enough fun I would go with the Playstation 3 everytime.

Having both leading consoles the ONLY thing the XBox is good for is its social community and the XBox Kinect.

The Playstation is a much smoother more stable and better looking system.

Gav

Oh and further more, with a Playstation, although being more expensive to start with, its all included in the price INCLUDING A BLURAY PLAYER.

The XBox needs a bit of money here and there for bits and bobs, even to play the bloody thing online. :doh

[makeitfit]

Agreed, it's another reason my son has decided to sell it. The monthly cost of social gaming hit him hard when he quit school and had to pay for it himself :lol
PS3 spec is better sure but I like PC games best. Mind you I'm out of touch since finding this damn site:doh
I used to play Unreal on pc and all 5:1 sounds thumping :augie:rolleyes:
Is there a similar type game these days?:nenau

[4x4_Gav]

Call Of Duty and Battlefield Bad Company 2 are the 2 top running FPS now :) both very good, Battlefield Bad Company 2 better in my opinion though.

[jace]

ps3 sons got no monthly fee to go online unlike daughters xbox360,youngest daughters got a wii me cant stand bloody things!

[kbekl]

the ps3 and the xbox are holding the industry back at the modue to still running on dx9 with the pc running dx11

this year is the year of the pc for games but i would say you will need a quick one

my take on the xbox, it's getting old now and even with the old version now redundent due to kinect (cant fit kinect to the old one) also its over 5 years old

my take on the ps3, it's only good for the ps3 exclusives as every thing else that is bought out for it runs like crap and can keep up with the xbox when it comes to the fps and graphics.

now the wii is just a fad and most dont use them after about 6 months lol

i would be looking at a gaming pc and you can build one for less than a console to run games, but the downside to them is that some games never made it to the pc, but on the upside you have a vast amount of games that will never make it to the consoles from indipendant developers

oh and you can hook up a ps3 and a xbox controller to the pc and run in true hd unlike the 720p upscale of the 2 consoles on the tv and sit on the sofa just like the other 2 but have a better in game experiance also all games are cheaper on the pc due to not having to pay royalties

[clivvy]

dont forget, xbox and ps3 are both old hardware now, this is why they are bringing our kinect and all that crap, to keep the units alive untill the next gen comes out, if it ever does!

theres no doubt the PC is superb for gaming BUT, youcant beat the ease of a console and its controller, this is why the xbox and ps3 are the best gaming system you can buy, and so popular.

i used to be a pc gamer, and once i tried and got used to the xbox 360, i never went back.

graphics are superb, even today, Battlefield Bad company and MW are excellent games, i love 'em!

I think the future for pc games, is to sort the controller issues out, dont get me wrong, the mouse is WAY better than using a controller, but coupled with a keyboard its too clunky for me!

[Fez_uk]

Also PC gaming can be expensive when you first start if you want smooth good graphics.
It helps to know someone upgrading their system as 2nd hand parts go cheap, Although I wouldn't buy 2nd hand stuff from ebay.

I only play PC games, Currently playing BC2 Vietnam. Love all the options you can do. Infantry, Helicopters, Jeeps, Tanks even a boat. I am pretty good at it too, Usually come top on my team.

Used to play call of duty, But it got too repetitive and then they f*cked pc gamers with mw2.

Main one I am waiting for is BF3, Planes will be back. Then I can own in them again.


used to be a pc gamer, and once i tried and got used to the xbox 360, i never went back.

graphics are superb, even today, Battlefield Bad company and MW are excellent games, i love 'em!

I think the future for pc games, is to sort the controller issues out, dont get me wrong, the mouse is WAY better than using a controller, but coupled with a keyboard its too clunky for me!


The graphics on the 360 are crap compared to the PC.

As for keyboard they do a gaming keyboard which is about the size of your hand. Although I have never had problems with my keyboard.

Controllers are just too slow.

[clivvy]

well, xbox 360 graphics crap compared to who's pc?

xbox 360 graphics are superb and very high standard, but yes if you have a top end expensive graphics card no doubt they will be better than an xbox 360, thats the whole point of a PC, to upgrade and upgrade untill you have hardware that can finally exceed that of the ps3 or 360.

[kbekl]

well, xbox 360 graphics crap compared to who's pc?

xbox 360 graphics are superb and very high standard, but yes if you have a top end expensive graphics card no doubt they will be better than an xbox 360, thats the whole point of a PC, to upgrade and upgrade untill you have hardware that can finally exceed that of the ps3 or 360.

any pc bought for today will out perform the xbox and the ps3 a £29.99 graphics card like the 4650 out performs them both and also have the option of a hdmi adapter with sound so you can play on the main tv

any xbox pad will fit and work on the pc and the same for a ps3 unit it is used via the pc's wireless unless you want to go for a wired unit then it is just a plug and play same as xbox/ps3

expense is nothing compared to a ps3 or the complete xbox setup

you have your case and a gfx card like the one above and then you need a plain board with a bit of ram along with say a core2duo total cost £95 with a spec like
2gig of ram £20
core2duo e6300 £20
asus mainboard £15
ati hd4650 £29.99(new)
case £10

that will run anything on the ps3 or xbox

i know this as my kids have that setup, they can play mass effect 2, f1 2010, dirt 1&2, dead space 1&2, dragon age 1&2, bioshock 1&2 and these are the spec heavy games

smooth game play on medium (still better than the consoles)

for the control side i have one of these
http://www.techfresh.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/belkin-n52te-speed-pad2.jpg
and one of these
http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/public/4qCgoKt3JKdlZ_VLiwvQXCk8_bwK3t7HgLeVmDILzM0uHnVquw _7dgLtxh5LLh3VOBX8S73_Rjvs7f1QsANX9rNhcClAFZ-Bq25rqwb5ZqJ7GCYUaXfVTjUEOUtYCpTh2s386UBEBaT7G8D5

for games like mass effect that dont have xbox pad support (most do now tho this one dont) i used a program called xpadder this allows me to create any combination of keys with the controller

i have my gaming pc in the bedroom hooked up to a 32" tv via hdmi and havnt touched a console for years :thumbs:D

their is also one big advantage over console gaming and that is i dont get red ring of death or yellow light of death because i play games on it lol

pc prices have droped over recent years and you can have a nice spec'd machine for less than £300

[kbekl]

dont forget, xbox and ps3 are both old hardware now, this is why they are bringing our kinect and all that crap, to keep the units alive untill the next gen comes out, if it ever does!

theres no doubt the PC is superb for gaming BUT, youcant beat the ease of a console and its controller, this is why the xbox and ps3 are the best gaming system you can buy, and so popular.

i used to be a pc gamer, and once i tried and got used to the xbox 360, i never went back.

graphics are superb, even today, Battlefield Bad company and MW are excellent games, i love 'em!

I think the future for pc games, is to sort the controller issues out, dont get me wrong, the mouse is WAY better than using a controller, but coupled with a keyboard its too clunky for me!

kinect isnt a bad thing and so manythings can be done with it on the pc

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[4x4_Gav]

Ok, one point to mention here.

Everyone is going on about how PC's out perform both consoles.

For this you would need to buy a rig well in excess of £500 excluding monitor. I.e. my last one was £1500 with a 22" monitor all built myself.

One thing everyone forgets, game companies specifically design the games to work on the consoles as the hardware never changes (only when the next big model is released and even then nothing drastic) whereas they dont give a rats ass about PC gamers, its a case of lets make it the highest minimum spec we can and then you lot can go out and buy new bits for your rigs.

I gave up on PC gaming for this exact reason, you PC will normally only play games at max graphics for 1-2 years before you need another big upgrade.

Gav

[clivvy]

any old pc is simply NOT comparable to xbox 360 or PS3, thats crap. if you want to match it, or better it, its gonna cost way more than the consoles, and thats how it has always been. It isnt neccessarily a bad thing, having to upgrade your pc, but to me its a pointless argument claiming the xbox 360 is crap graphics, thats just wrong. And besides, its pretty much a custom PC as it is anyway! and a £29.99 graphics card simply is not powerful enough to match a 360, thats wrong, and i know because i have one in my PC and it cant even managed decent shading, yes it has hdmi, but so does my xbox!

[ClanWolf]

Hmmm. You want to kick back for a few months with a games system.

Personally, I'd say PS3. The blu ray player onboard is still one of the best and still one of the few upgradable players.

Game choice I have to say that from my limited exposure, Xbox has the titles.

I am an infrequent gamer due to a chronic motion sickness issue - I get nauseous watching Spyro or Tomb Raider when others are playing it!

Plus I think the apex of playability was Bushido Blade... Just wish someone would give that a graphical upgrade for PS3 while retaining the play style.

[96terrano]

got to be a ps3 there brilliant when connected to the net:thumb2:augie

[illy]

I'm on 360 gamer tag "illy sv650". The reason I'm on 360 is my PC was old, if I was to upgrade it it would have cost a lot of money, It wasn't a matter of buying a PC but future proofing it. If you upgrade say £500 18 month-2years later you need to upgrade again, so I would have been around £1,200, or get an xbox for £200 who's technology which would last 7-8 years Doh no contest. You may say PC graphics are better and yes they may be, but for how long? 30 seconds 2 minutes because once I'm into my game and wasting everything in site Its the last thing I'm thinking of. Roll on Battlefield 3.

illy

[clivvy]

absolutely mate, I like your comments! when yoru in the game, in the thick of it, who gives a shite how detailed that butterfly was....

[illy]

absolutely mate, I like your comments! when yoru in the game, in the thick of it, who gives a shite how detailed that butterfly was....

LOL, LOL

illy

[Adz]

Well I've said yes to makeitfit :thumbs

So a 360 it is :D

Ignore the internet side of things, which is the smoother / less glitchy :confused:

[clivvy]

Well I've said yes to makeitfit :thumbs

So a 360 it is :D

Ignore the internet side of things, which is the smoother / less glitchy :confused:

between what??

they are all glitchy to some degree, I find the 360 not too bad these days, they have ironed out a lot of issues lately, and with this new dashboard things are much smoother and theresa lot more to do on it.

[Adz]

Think I've made the right decision :D

[clivvy]

I agree, for what you want, its spot on.:thumb2

[Adz]

:thumbs

[96terrano]

No one likes ps3 then?:eek:

[larson]

i do

[kbekl]

any old pc is simply NOT comparable to xbox 360 or PS3, thats crap. if you want to match it, or better it, its gonna cost way more than the consoles, and thats how it has always been. It isnt neccessarily a bad thing, having to upgrade your pc, but to me its a pointless argument claiming the xbox 360 is crap graphics, thats just wrong. And besides, its pretty much a custom PC as it is anyway! and a £29.99 graphics card simply is not powerful enough to match a 360, thats wrong, and i know because i have one in my PC and it cant even managed decent shading, yes it has hdmi, but so does my xbox!


ok this is where i do know what i am talking about used to work for sony fixing the ps3 (one of the reasons i hate the ps3)

right the ps3 is a geforce 7900GT clocked to 550MHz
the xbox is a different kettle of fish tho but the card is made by ati and is is some where arround the ball park of about HD2900 series, but probably closer to the X1900.

both consoles are only capable of producing 720p but it is upscaled to 1080p,

both systems are built to cost and considering they are built to play games they dont half overheat and cause them selves problems with boards warping

both the gfx cards are behind the hd4650 as that is a dx11 as opposed to the dx9 consoles

both systems are so far behind that most developers are being held back

now in regards to the developers making games just for consoles :lol take a look at the most recent releases and other than the crap like the xbox and ps3 exclusives such as gears of war or that crap that took sony 5 years to make and it was still crap gran tourismo 5 have you not notices that the exclusives arent even original titles :lol:lol:augie:augie

did you know that all games are created on a pc :thumb2

the only games that are ported to the pc are the ones that are just generic crap like modern warfare and call of duty

take games from bioware they were released to console as a port from the pc, same with battlefield, and the problem is it shows

their is a reason y companies release on the console and then on the pc, take fable 3 it got released on the xbox in october but it is still in the workshop today for the pc release, the reason behind this is the fact that microsoft wanted the console money first and then release the pc and get the pc money

it has shown that the pc is in a very good standing last year with the release of sale records from places like steam

any pc with a separate gfx card released since 2008 has a higher spec than an xbox and ps3 the ones with onboard gfx cards are not suitable.


i can tell you now that the hd4650 is a better gpu than any console has and that is the low end of the market (high-street cost is closer to £100)

overal the core2duo run's rings around both processors at most things apart from one or 2

For movie decoding, for example, I think everyone knows the Cell can outrun pretty much anything. For heavily multithreaded (and floating-point intensive) code, the 360's CPU will also become quite powerful, and leave the Core 2 in the dust.

but at everything else the core2 win's hands down and that is including games


new console for the xbox is what about £150 all in so for that sort of cash you can have a very good system with a half decent size hdd, remove the tv/monitor out of the equation as you would need that for the consoles anyway and as they will use the same unit dont figure in the argument


all those that have a tv attached to the pc see what the max screen res is your pc can put out and see if the tv can handle it

[96terrano]

i do

:thumb2

[Thomas-the-Terrano2]

well we've got a wii, still got a ps2 and psx! oh and a ds!

think would go ps3, guess bit late in debate, as like idea of free
online services.

and previous playstations given good service. tbh like idea
of media player function of ps3 more than its gaming ability.

also gamed a bit by pc, though lappy struggles can just about
manage my flight truck and rail sims compared to my old power tower

mind dont have time as on here or in real world!

[4x4_Gav]

ok this is where i do know what i am talking about used to work for sony fixing the ps3 (one of the reasons i hate the ps3)

right the ps3 is a geforce 7900GT clocked to 550MHz
the xbox is a different kettle of fish tho but the card is made by ati and is is some where arround the ball park of about HD2900 series, but probably closer to the X1900.

both consoles are only capable of producing 720p but it is upscaled to 1080p,

both systems are built to cost and considering they are built to play games they dont half overheat and cause them selves problems with boards warping

both the gfx cards are behind the hd4650 as that is a dx11 as opposed to the dx9 consoles

both systems are so far behind that most developers are being held back

now in regards to the developers making games just for consoles :lol take a look at the most recent releases and other than the crap like the xbox and ps3 exclusives such as gears of war or that crap that took sony 5 years to make and it was still crap gran tourismo 5 have you not notices that the exclusives arent even original titles :lol:lol:augie:augie

did you know that all games are created on a pc :thumb2

the only games that are ported to the pc are the ones that are just generic crap like modern warfare and call of duty

take games from bioware they were released to console as a port from the pc, same with battlefield, and the problem is it shows

their is a reason y companies release on the console and then on the pc, take fable 3 it got released on the xbox in october but it is still in the workshop today for the pc release, the reason behind this is the fact that microsoft wanted the console money first and then release the pc and get the pc money

it has shown that the pc is in a very good standing last year with the release of sale records from places like steam

any pc with a separate gfx card released since 2008 has a higher spec than an xbox and ps3 the ones with onboard gfx cards are not suitable.


i can tell you now that the hd4650 is a better gpu than any console has and that is the low end of the market (high-street cost is closer to £100)

overal the core2duo run's rings around both processors at most things apart from one or 2

For movie decoding, for example, I think everyone knows the Cell can outrun pretty much anything. For heavily multithreaded (and floating-point intensive) code, the 360's CPU will also become quite powerful, and leave the Core 2 in the dust.

but at everything else the core2 win's hands down and that is including games


new console for the xbox is what about £150 all in so for that sort of cash you can have a very good system with a half decent size hdd, remove the tv/monitor out of the equation as you would need that for the consoles anyway and as they will use the same unit dont figure in the argument


all those that have a tv attached to the pc see what the max screen res is your pc can put out and see if the tv can handle it

Hmm I know you say you worked for Sony mate and this isnt a pop at you. But from what I read the PS3 is being held back by developers, not the other way around. The ONLY reason the PS3 is not at its full potential is because the developers STILL after all these years cannot correctly code for the PS3.

[clivvy]

Hmm I know you say you worked for Sony mate and this isnt a pop at you. But from what I read the PS3 is being held back by developers, not the other way around. The ONLY reason the PS3 is not at its full potential is because the developers STILL after all these years cannot correctly code for the PS3.

absolutely. I dont believe the hardware is holding anyone back, including the 360, the hardware in both systems even now is very good, and very different to a pc spec, thats why these consoles, 6 years on are still extremely good. If you were to take a "gaming" pc from 6 years ago, and try play for example Battlefield on it, sorry, it would be shite. :lol

[kbekl]

absolutely. I dont believe the hardware is holding anyone back, including the 360, the hardware in both systems even now is very good, and very different to a pc spec, thats why these consoles, 6 years on are still extremely good. If you were to take a "gaming" pc from 6 years ago, and try play for example Battlefield on it, sorry, it would be shite. :lol

right ok now lets look at this battlefield bad company 2

Battlefield: Bad Company 2
Publisher: EA Games
Developer: EA DICE

Minimum System Requirements
OS: Windows XP
Processor: Core 2 DUO @ 2 GHz
Memory: 2 GB
Hard Drive: 15 GB for Digital Version, 10 GB for Disc Version
Video Memory: 256 MB (NVIDIA GeForce 7800GT/ATI X1900)
Sound Card: DirectX Compatible
DirectX: 9.0c
Keyboard and Mouse
DVD Rom Drive

Recommended System Requirements
OS: Windows Vista/7
Processor: Any Quadcore Processor
Memory: 2 GB
Hard Drive: 15 GB for Digital Version, 10 GB for Disc Version
Video Memory: 512 MB (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260)
Sound Card: DirectX Compatible
DirectX: 10
Keyboard and Mouse
DVD Rom Drive

i do feel that minimum is arround the console and most of that tech is from 2005 or earlier and the core2 was released in 2006.

now with the consoles holding the spec as the minimum requirement of a pc

Crytek is known for its ultra-graphical title, Crysis which takes a super computer to run at max. The studio put the PC on a pedestal in the past declaring that the company would remain largely a PC developer.

Despite shifting most of its development efforts onto consoles, Crytek boss Cevat Yerli still believes that consoles are holding PC video games back. Currently Crytek is working on developing Crysis 2 for both the PS3 and Xbox 360. In addition Crytek has signed an agreement with Microsoft to work on an Xbox 360 game titled Kingdoms.

In an interview with Edge [via CVG], Yerli indicated that consoles are limiting the developer’s “creative expression.”

Yerli states:

"PC is easily a generation ahead right now. With 360 and PS3, we believe the quality of the games beyond Crysis 2 and other CryEngine developments will be pretty much limited to what their creative expressions is, what the content is. You won’t be able to squeeze more juice from these rocks."

[kbekl]

dont get me wrong not saying their isnt a place for the consoles and that they are not popular

and thats where the problem lies they are so popular that sony and microsoft dont want to release the next gen till they made some more money from the consoles

both have working models for the next gen and i wouldnt be suprised to see the next xbox in 2012

the reason the games look good on the consoles is that the developers have been working with them for so long that it is easy to develop for them and tweek the graphics to make them look nice but it is still only produced at 720p and upscaled to 1080p

both consoles are out of date down to the stupid blueray player that was out of date befor release

i expect the next gen to come with out drives as its main media and only use a disc drive for the backward compatability side of things

[kbekl]

altho onlive is going to cause some problems for the consoles when they have the costing side sorted

[clivvy]

what you have to remember, is the hardware isnt the same as the pc hardware, its different. so yeah, its an ATI card inside, but not the sort you buy for a pc, it was way ahead of its time, and after 6 years, is only just starting to show its age, and even then it performs brilliantly. the games are certainly comparable to higher spec pcs. The reason why they havent phased out the current gen is because they are still so good, they sell games. :) Kinect is extending the life, no doubt.

one thing you have to remember abotu the hardware spec is that it has unified architecture across multiple CPU and GPU cores, which means developers can program for the actual device, allowing tighter code and optimized routines, which no PC can do due to the diversity of hardware. thats whats made this box such a technically superb peice of kit. to get this sort of spec on a pc, you still have to spend in excess of £100 just on the graphics card, never mind the rest of the pc.

AND XBOX LIVE. say no more. ok, its a subscription service, but for that, you get something unmatched by pc or PS3, fact! XBOX live is a superb service, and it makes gaming SO much easier, its great. For your money, you get a ton of stuff for free, games, demos, videos, music, chat, facebook etc etc and it all works superbly.

my point here is: the xbox 360 and its graphics ability is NOT crap, thats a wrong statement!:lol

[kbekl]

ah i never said they were crap just out dated and holding the industry back a little

as a peice of kit the xbox is a fine unit and still better than the ps3, although the ps3 still has a bit of development left in it, the xbox and the pc are similar in build and yes ati did an amazing job on the hardware, but it is still old non the less

i agree xbox live is one of the best services you can get for gaming, but windows live is supposed to be built alongside it to allow the next gen console to comunicate with pc user's and vice versa, which will allow cross platform games to be played, which may leave sony out in the cold

[clivvy]

they seem to be preparing for some sort of windows integration or standardisation on the xbox, the new dashboard is very "mobile 7", so it will be interesting to see how its all going to tie-in with Microsoft style. Ive heard that on the Mobile 7 phones, you can play xbox games....? not sure how true that is or how possible, and i assume itll be original xbox titles (not 360), still, interesting ideas.

PS3's problem is Sony. Sony are just a huge big cock of a corporation without any interest in the people it sells to lol, the ps3 would have done so much better if it had been made by Nintendo or even Microsoft, the hardware is fantastic, but it is let down by Sony. if they get their heads out of their arses, the PS3 could end up with a huge surge in popularity, but i think its too late now, for any current console.

[96terrano]

they seem to be preparing for some sort of windows integration or standardisation on the xbox, the new dashboard is very "mobile 7", so it will be interesting to see how its all going to tie-in with Microsoft style. Ive heard that on the Mobile 7 phones, you can play xbox games....? not sure how true that is or how possible, and i assume itll be original xbox titles (not 360), still, interesting ideas.

PS3's problem is Sony. Sony are just a huge big cock of a corporation without any interest in the people it sells to lol, the ps3 would have done so much better if it had been made by Nintendo or even Microsoft, the hardware is fantastic, but it is let down by Sony. if they get their heads out of their arses, the PS3 could end up with a huge surge in popularity, but i think its too late now, for any current console.

yup, I agree, the ps3 is a good machine but Sony let it down.....BADLY:doh

[4x4_Gav]

altho onlive is going to cause some problems for the consoles when they have the costing side sorted

Agreed, I will come back to gaming on my computer if cloud gaming takes off. Means I can use this beast of a Mac to play games lol!!!

[The Patrolman]

I find actually being alive and interacting with actual mates in an actual pub without paying an actual subscription fee IS ACTUALLY BETTER:clap:clap

[Fez_uk]

I find actually being alive and interacting with actual mates in an actual pub without paying an actual subscription fee IS ACTUALLY BETTER:clap:clap

But outside its full of evil people.